What are your thoughts on Fallout: Las Vegas?
Crazy awesome! I am playing it whenever I can!
33.6% (284)
33.6% (284)
Its really good.
28.6% (242)
28.6% (242)
Its good.
15% (127)
15% (127)
Its ok.
8.9% (75)
8.9% (75)
Its mediocre.
6% (51)
6% (51)
Its bad.
1.2% (10)
1.2% (10)
Its really bad.
1.4% (12)
1.4% (12)
Its horrible, I hate it completely!
3.4% (29)
3.4% (29)
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Ironic Pirate:
I've heard that the combat is a lot better than Fallout 3, can anyone confirm this?

Aiming down sights helps, but I find it very jerky on consoles that non-scoped, out of VATS, precision shots take a few seconds to line up.

I am enjoying the game very much, I have only experienced one or two graphical glitches, so I guess I am lucky, but I do feel the game lacking some kind of charm that was there in Fallout 3.

Nomanslander:
Although to come to FO:NV defense, Red Dead was even more boring...=/

Having only played a little of either of them, but having played Fallout 3 and GTA, I can definitely see this being absolutely true. At least the wasteland is littered with things to do and kill. From what I've seen of Red Dead and played of GTA, everything is boring and dull outside of main missions, and even the majority of them are fillers.

I've been meaning to get this game (once I stop spending all my money on albums) but one thing keeps holding me back, I absolutely hate the desert. Every time I've gone into a desert I've despised the landscape, but I've seen some videos from New Vegas, and the desert actually looks interesting. I just hope I can make up my damn mind.
OT: OP, I felt the same way when I first played Fallout 3, but give it another try, when I did it somehow magically felt like another game that was much better

You so crazy. New Vegas is phenomenal. It feels like Fallout and has a great many resemblances to Fallout 2 the way the story plays out and the impact your reputation plays with all of the factions. I absolutely love it. I still own Fallout 3 and I don't think I could ever go back and play it again after playing New Vegas.

Uber Evil:

The Bum:

Uber Evil:
I kind of agree with you. I've gotten to New Vegas and am bored and angry at it. The long stretches of wandering when I can't kill many of the creatures becomes tedious. The decisions in the games aren't as black and white, like when you

But in New Vegas my circumstances left 3 out of the 4 or 2 out of the 3 casino cashiers dead, So I have to play at the Gamorrah. Both the Tops and Ultra-Luxe are better. I also can't fin any ammo or weapons, so I am being F'ed in the A by most enemies.

Edit: I do like the game, although it is kind of a tough love sort of game, and can get aggravating at times. Can't wait for MMM and Level Cap & Skill Cap workarounds, and maybe UPP. And Something to let you play after the end. When those come around I can say that I'll love the game to death. It did that to FO3.

It's not supossed to be in black and white, the whole moral choice system is based around doing what you think is least evil in a lose/lose situation.

And sir to put it eliqoently i take issuse with your claim and (joking) belive you are a knob. But each to his own i guesse. I however just got the game today and love it!

Sorry, sorry. I kinda meant that as a compliment to the game. The moral choices are a lot better than in FO3, but trying to decided makes an endless loop that aggravates me. Is that the only issue you take offense to? Any others i'll be glad to explain my logic.

I'll give you that it most certainly is a tough love sort of game, espicaly when you have to go back half an hour cause you fell through the ground, man i hate that!

Got Fallout 3 for free. Awesome and interesting game but not worth my buying money. Great experience because it was free. New Vegas feels like an expansion pack. I already foresworn on this forum I wouldn't buy it if it used that same engine they kept over-devoleping since Oblivion.

They did so I am out of it.

I try and play it whenever I can, which is why I haven't been posting as much recently...

Also:

Hardcore_gamer:

Also, bugs.

Some people have been lucky and unlucky with the bugs.

Me, I've only had a couple of bugs and they weren't bad.
radscorpion getting stuck in a wall and my arms being a bit higher than they should be, but it can easily be fixed.

Also: I'm sorry for this, but it's New Vegas, not Las Vegas.

Stormz:

It makes me want Fallout 3. I think New Vegas is already better for obvious reasons, but once I beat this game I'm going to want more, and FO 3 is the closest I can get, even if it lacks a lot of whats in New Vegas. I'm seriously on Fanboy overload right now. I just got off a 5 hour session.

I know how you feel. Fallout 3 isn't bad, it's different. One of the problems I can see with going back, is they fixed a few things in New Vegas, like the companion wheel stuff, that going back you will miss.

However, if you happen to have it on the PC, I would not be surprised if before too long there is a mod to add all the extra stuff from New Vegas into 3.

But 3 is worth the play, if only to have more places to explore in the waste. It's a lot darker though, and bleaker. It's not as buggy either, since it's been out for a couple of years and they've tweaked it some. If you get it, get the GOTY edition. If for no other reason then for the Point Lookout DLC, which is actually a little more like Vegas with the humor. The enemies and their moonshine in Point Lookout, they are pretty damned funny in their own right.

Fallout 3 was boring, this is new and exciting and has some great features.

Yes...it is buggy.

theSovietConnection:

meganmeave:
Well, I'm loving it. But then, I also love the bleak as hell setting. One of my most favorite things to do is happen upon some busted up gas station or convenient store, and scavenge around in it. It makes it feel more like I am in the wastes that way.

And I have been enjoying the main story, and all the side stories. I loved Come Fly With Me. And now even my companions have stories. Pretty cool stuff if you ask me.

Agree with this. I love New Vegas standard more then I ever loved 3 standard. To me, the world almost feels more alive, for lack of a better term. I can't explain it, the world just feels desolate, but at the same time, full.

Exactly. There's a lot of nothing in between areas, but I am constantly surprised when I go into a new town and it seems to be thriving.

When I first got to the strip, and saw all those people walking everywhere, it was like Megaton times ten.

And of course, it doesn't hurt that there is other life out there. Subtle things, like plants, and like the birds that fly away when you approach somewhere. It's surprising how a couple of birds can make a place not seem so dead and lonely.

Hardcore_gamer:

What are your thoughts on Fallout: NewVegas?

Fixed.

OT: Yet to play it.

SixWingedAsura:
I like Fallout 3, so I like this, but not enough stuff has been added to make it much different. It feels like a glorified expansion pack. Still fun, just nothing to write home about.

Yes yes yes yes yes...exactly that.

But add that the cowboy shit grates after a while.

In my honest opinion, everything OP said also applies to Fallout 3.
Fallout 3 started to be fun for me with DLCs and a truckload of mods.

meganmeave:

Stormz:

It makes me want Fallout 3. I think New Vegas is already better for obvious reasons, but once I beat this game I'm going to want more, and FO 3 is the closest I can get, even if it lacks a lot of whats in New Vegas. I'm seriously on Fanboy overload right now. I just got off a 5 hour session.

I know how you feel. Fallout 3 isn't bad, it's different. One of the problems I can see with going back, is they fixed a few things in New Vegas, like the companion wheel stuff, that going back you will miss.

However, if you happen to have it on the PC, I would not be surprised if before too long there is a mod to add all the extra stuff from New Vegas into 3.

But 3 is worth the play, if only to have more places to explore in the waste. It's a lot darker though, and bleaker. It's not as buggy either, since it's been out for a couple of years and they've tweaked it some. If you get it, get the GOTY edition. If for no other reason then for the Point Lookout DLC, which is actually a little more like Vegas with the humor. The enemies and their moonshine in Point Lookout, they are pretty damned funny in their own right.

I will be getting the GOTY at some point, not sure when. It's going to feel weird downgrading but I neeed more haha. I hope you're right about the mods, having the companion wheel in Fallout 3 would already be a big step up for me. Aren't there mods to add more atmosphere in FO3 already? That would also help.

It's absolutely amazing, I haven't stopped playing since I bought it. Fallout 3 couldn't hold my attention, this can.
IMO, it beats F3 into the dust.

I think New Vegas could have just been a addon for fallout 3 it uses the same engine looks still the same ..and i heard the story is weak. So its not a game for me ....
And its called "New Vegas" not las vegas

The difficulty curve stopped me from enjoying the open world.
At level 4, when wandering around as i do in true fallout fashion, i was attacked by a giant rad scorpian. Who was at 80% hp even after i dropped all my bombs right under him.

So i was forced to retreat back down the road. When i saw a building off in the distance, i went towards it, again in true fallout fashion. This time at level 6. A swarm of Cazedor(sp?) flying bug things attacked me and killed me nearly instantly. (these things were a problem throughout the entire game)

This game is seriously missing something that FO3 had. Charm maybe.. feel..possibly. It just felt small and predictable. I didn't WANT to explore in new vegas. Where as in fallout 3 i was all over the wasteland, entering every building, getting every bobble head, killing everything I saw.

Mcface:
The difficulty curve stopped me from enjoying the open world.
At level 4, when wandering around as i do in true fallout fashion, i was attacked by a giant rad scorpian. Who was at 80% hp even after i dropped all my bombs right under him.

So i was forced to retreat back down the road. When i saw a building off in the distance, i went towards it, again in true fallout fashion. This time at level 6. A swarm of Cazedor(sp?) flying bug things attacked me and killed me nearly instantly. (these things were a problem throughout the entire game)

This game is seriously missing something that FO3 had. Charm maybe.. feel..possibly. It just felt small and predictable. I didn't WANT to explore in new vegas. Where as in fallout 3 i was all over the wasteland, entering every building, getting every bobble head, killing everything I saw.

Have you changed the difficulty?

I never play on anything higher than easy... hardcore is the only challenge for me, being an RPG blend making it harder just makes it too hard.

If the new Fallout isn't your cup of tea, maybe you should try Borderlands? Like you said, Fallout is an RPG first, shooter second...Borderlands is sorta the opposite, like a Diablo-paced version. And you would probably find the environments aren't as "bland" as Fallout 3/NV.

That said, I thoroughly enjoyed Fallout 3 for well over 300 hours on a single character, I don't even remember, I'd have to check my save, and I didn't even get any of the DLC.

I've been out of the Fallout-craze recently even though I love the games, so I haven't picked up NV and will probably get Fallout 3 GotYE first.

Hardcore_gamer:

And speaking of graphics, the game looks pretty ugly. The actual game world is empty, bland and lifeless (and don't give me the "but the game takes place after a nuclear war and that makes it ok" excuse. The plot/setting doesn't justify throwing the player into a series of dull uninteresting environments) which means that there is no real satisfaction to be had in exploring the game world. If anything it just becomes a chore having to wander through it.

Yes, The Mojave Desert is an absolute megalopolis so I can't see why Obsidian felt it necessary to make it feel so much like a desert [/sarcasm]

I got the game during a midnight release and have been playing the hell out of it. More people, more places and, it's easier to die than ever.

GamesB2:

Mcface:
The difficulty curve stopped me from enjoying the open world.
At level 4, when wandering around as i do in true fallout fashion, i was attacked by a giant rad scorpian. Who was at 80% hp even after i dropped all my bombs right under him.

So i was forced to retreat back down the road. When i saw a building off in the distance, i went towards it, again in true fallout fashion. This time at level 6. A swarm of Cazedor(sp?) flying bug things attacked me and killed me nearly instantly. (these things were a problem throughout the entire game)

This game is seriously missing something that FO3 had. Charm maybe.. feel..possibly. It just felt small and predictable. I didn't WANT to explore in new vegas. Where as in fallout 3 i was all over the wasteland, entering every building, getting every bobble head, killing everything I saw.

Have you changed the difficulty?

I never play on anything higher than easy... hardcore is the only challenge for me, being an RPG blend making it harder just makes it too hard.

At the time i was playing Easy hardcore.
Then i switched to Normal regular after i got annoyed at the stimpack thing.

Mcface:
At the time i was playing Easy hardcore.
Then i switched to Normal regular after i got annoyed at the stimpack thing.

Fair enough just checking.

I didn't realise I could turn the difficulty down in Oblivion for about 6 months.

I have to admit this just seems like a troll attempt. This game is the most fucking awesome game I've played in a year, and I'm lovin' it.

My apologies if it requires imagination and a sense of fun and humor.

Ironic Pirate:
I've heard that the combat is a lot better than Fallout 3, can anyone confirm this?

Yeah, real time combat is actually possible to pull off now.

Straying Bullet:
New Vegas feels like an expansion pack.

.

Bullshit.

The game is nothing like an expansion pack.

The desert/western look is completely different, more along the lines of RDR.

The Vegas area itself is absolutely massive, with 7 or 8 uniquely designed urban areas... and that's before you even arrive at the Strip.

The faction system makes the entire game mechanics and story delivery utterly different to F3.

Many of the basic mechanics have been changed up, such as repairing items, building your own ammo, modding weapons, being able to aim down sights... ect

It is brighter, more colourful, more cheerful and light of tone than Fallout 3, more akin to Fallout 2.

The writing is very different. There is much more humour and wackiness, again more like the older games.

It is much harder than F3. Wonder into the wrong area too early and you will die.

There is tonnes more content, both physically in the world and quest related. I's go as far as to hazard a guess that there is almost twice as much content in the game than there was in F3.

Expansion pack my arse.

MiracleOfSound:
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Common sense? In my thread?
It gets most of the "Expansion pack" stigma because it uses the same (but not necessarily bad) engine.
At least that's what I think.

jakefongloo:
Holy shit the game has been out less then a week and there have been no less then 14 topics on how buggy/awful/boring the game is. Jesus guy what is going through your head! You don't offer anything intelligent to the table you're just bitching. "Wow this game is boring i'm gonna go complain about it to people i've never met!" Fuck off

exactly. all the complainers are just bitching and want to hear themselves talk while offering no evidence.

skitzo van:
I've been meaning to get this game (once I stop spending all my money on albums) but one thing keeps holding me back, I absolutely hate the desert. Every time I've gone into a desert I've despised the landscape, but I've seen some videos from New Vegas, and the desert actually looks interesting. I just hope I can make up my damn mind.

There's easily 20-25 hours worth of content in the Urban/non desert areas, so don't worry too much about getting bored of all the sand.

I dont know I havnt played Fallout "LAS" Vegas in fact I never hered of it. But it reminds me of this game Fallout "New" Vegas which I like a lot and would give a really good vote to if I was voteing for that game and not some game I never hered of.

The design philosophy of New Vegas is much closer to the original Fallout games than Bethesda's Fallout 3.

While there are certainly many exceptions, I'd expect the game to be more positively received from older, long-standing, die-hard Fallout fans, but less of a "great thing" for younger fans who enjoy high production value shooters and rpgs and the version of the Fallout flavor Bethesda served with #3.

Just a contemplation.

Also, what MiracleOfSound said on the expansion bit.

It's not Fallout: Las Vegas. It's Fallout: New Vegas.

Nomanslander:
Fallout: New Vegas is to Fallout 3 what Bioshock 2 was to Bioshock 1, it's a decent copy/paste with minor upgrades, but it just doesn't hold a candle to the previous game.

Playing FO:NV has just made me want to play FO3 again instead, so much for the original creators of the FO series...=/

that's only part of the creators, if someone can convince tim cain to come back you will see ungodly sequels to fallout. however since he venture at troika was finished he lost a LOT of confidence in himself and says "i just want to make games. i no longer go to dev studios about my amazing game ideas like i used to."

without the entire black isle team under one roof, its hopeless.

Hardcore_gamer:

What are your thoughts on Fallout: Las Vegas?

I'll give you my thoughts... You aren't fit to wear your avatar.

Any respectable fan of classic PC games wouldn't produce such a laundry list of fickle complaints about Fallout: New Vegas; One of the few drops of moisture with classic-feel gaming-goodness in a barren desert of the clean, modern and soulless titles.

This game is absolutely amazing. I just finished it and won't spoil anything, but it really blew me away. The narrated epilogue was amazing.

It took pretty much everything good about Fallout 3 and improved it. The quests are much more open ended than Fallout 3; you have numerous different ways to handle a quest which is great. I also love the Strip, the random towns you come across and Hardcore mode (although not as hardcore as I expected) does add another excellent dimension to game.

While I find it understandable that people don't like the game, there are recurring themes I don't care for.

1) The choices don't allow me to be the good guy. That is (generally) true. That was indeed one of the many things that set fallout 3 apart from the previous games in the franchise. You are wandering in a terrible land where life is nasty, brutish and short for most. Idealism is all well and good, but in the wasteland survival is difficult enough for most without being hampered by petty morality. People will do what it takes to survive.

2) The game is aesthetically boring. Ever been to the Mojave desert? The game actually captures the setting quite well in my book, even if it is compressed into an area the size of a postage stamp. What's more, fallout takes place in a world where there was a significant enough atomic exchange that almost every person died inside of a few hours. We're talking about tens if not hundreds of thousands of warheads. Hell, Vegas and it's surrounding areas alone were targeted by more than 70 different warheads, and there are only three targets of strategic worth in the area (Nellis AFB, Hoover Dam, Vegas itself (mostly due to the International Airport)). That any life persisted at all is nothing short of astounding. That any green exists is nothing short of a miracle.

3) The game is similar to Fallout 3. Yes. Yes it is. Mechanically, the only difference lies in how armor is handled. Previously, the DR rating simply equated to a percentage by which incoming damage was reduced (which was capped at 85%). In Fallout NV, you are given a Damage Threshold. If incoming damage does not beat this threshold, the damage is reduced to absolutely laughable values (somewhere around 1 it would appear). This actually changes quite a bit and generally makes combat more difficult. Suddenly, the idea of engaging power armored troops (or just heavily armored) early on becomes insanely dangerous. That said, there are plenty of other changes. Most quests can be completed without resorting to violence. There are few factions that are simply "hostile" to the player without reason. Sure the Powder Gangers will try to kill the player upon their first meeting (if they just wander into the wastes), but that doesn't mean you can't join them if you wish. This is a more significant change than any mechanical modification because this fundamentally altered the way I played the game. Sure, I can use a gun if I want, but because violence is rarely the best answer I actually bother putting points into those non-combat skills. Sure, that limits my choices in an engagement but it gives me options that do not rely on murder. Any mechanical change would simply make murder a more appealing option.

4) It feels like an expansion pack. Given that we have an example of what expansion packs did for the game, I'd say we can actually do a decent comparison. One of them retconned the ending of Fallout 3 and upped the level cap and let the player decide which major power would inherit the Capital Wasteland. Another gave the player a liner challenge with some new guns and armor. Another gave the player a liner challenge with some new guns. Another the the player decide who would inherit the Pitt along with some new weapons and armor. The last gave a tiny postage stamp in which to quest. New Vegas gives us new weapons and armor (been done in an expansion pack), a new area to quest in (been done), the ability to decide which faction inherits the wastes of the moment (been done), makes non-combat options viable (whoops - haven't seen this one before...), changes how several game mechanics are handled (didn't see this one before either), implemented variable faction standing (again, never saw this one before). I'd say that New Vegas in-arguably goes further than all of the Fallout 3 expansion content combined. Sure, you could still consider it an expansion, but that generally comes with the "WAAAA! It should have been DLC and only cost 15 bucks!!!!" addendum. While I wouldn't begrudge someone for thinking it was just a really large expansion pack, nor would I be so bold as to tell them their value judgement is wrong (no matter what conclusion they come to), I simply feel that the game's scope makes it easily worth it's status as a standalone title and the asking price (50 USD as I got the PC version) was more than fair.

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