Bioware blocks user from playing his store-bought copy of DA2, for bad-mouthing EA?

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There is a rebuttal thread popping up. Check it out.
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/6465725

I don't know what is more scary, the fact that a company is able to do something like this or that there are some people/sheep that are actually defending this kind of policies on Bioware forum.

Okay, for those invoking freedom of speech here, I hate to have to say this again (since someone else said it before me) but here it is.

Freedom of speech only affects the government. It prevents them from arresting you for expressing an opinion. It prevents them from blocking your opinion. It allows you to make your opinion heard by any means within your power that don't disturb the peace (shouting your opinion on a megaphone, for instance, is a no-no outside of a formal protest).

EA servers are EA's servers. It's their house. They can kick you out if they don't like you. Sometimes it's a jerk move. Sometimes a person really is being offensive and annoying. Either way, they're legally allowed to do it.

This doesn't just apply to the internet either. For your edification, I propose the following experiment:

Audit a course at your local university (you could alternately pay for the course, it wouldn't change anything). At random points in the lecture, snicker. Argue the professor's points as he's talking. Greet every point in a particular vein with a derisive snort. Then see how long it takes before you're escorted from the building.

The constitution regulates laws. It says certain laws cannot be written and overrides those laws, giving courts the power to strike them down. This has happened several times with laws regulating sales of video games. This is what the constitution affects.

Freedom of speech also allows you to protest guest speakers, lecturers, political parties, laws, foreign leaders and other folks you don't like. Get a protest permit, gather your followers and no one can shut you up, even if you deserve it. Freedom of speech.

You are free to express any opinion you like on the internet. Just set up your own server (or rent from very forgiving server owners), hook it up to the internet, register the DNS and no one can stop you from speaking your mind. Since freedom of speech exists on the internet, no one can say "I can't express my opinion on the internet" because you can totally say whatever you want on your own server. You can't say whatever you want on someone else's server because they own it and have the right to kick you off for whatever. They also have the right to shut down a service for any length of time that they choose, since it is a service (though I don't agree that it's right and don't assume that's what I'm saying), they can refuse to serve you if they just plain don't like you. You can demand a refund, and should totally get it if you want it, but that's about as far as it goes.

I'm not saying it's right. I'm not saying it's not a jerk move. However, all you folks invoking freedom of speech are wrong. This is why. Brush up on constitutional law sometime.

EDIT: To clarify since I know I'm gonna be labelled an apologist by someone here; no, I don't think this is right. I hate DRM, I hate EA accounts, I don't want to have an EA account, and I don't like the fact that a ban by EA locks you out of your newly bought game for 72 hours because of online activation. I don't dislike these enough to boycott EA, but I don't love them for it either. It is a jerk move, but they're legally allowed to do it.

Well, at first I thought it was just an oversight by zealous IT people at Bioware. But then Stanley Woo chimed in and said the following

"Please review the EA Community Terms of Service, particularly sections #9 and #11. There are two levels of enforcement here:

1. BioWare community bans are forum-only and can be for as little as 24 hours. These bans should have no effect on your game, only your ability to use all the features of this website/community. these bans are handed out by BioWare Moderators as the result of our travels around the forum and/or issues reported by fellow community members.

2. EA Community bans come down from a different department and are the result of someone hitting the REPORT POST button. These bans can affect access to your game and/or DLC.

Because the BioWare community now operates under the same umbrella as all EA Communities, community members here have all explicitly agreed to abide by and be governed by both sets of rules. Consider it an added incentive to follow the rules you say you're going to follow.

If there are further questions or concerns, please send them to me via private message. Thank you.

End of line."

Translation - "hey, when you created a forum account, you agreed to let anyone on the forum who hits the "report post" button deny you access to the games you've paid for. So thanks for your money and take a hike".

Given this response, I believe that Mr. Woo has answered the poster's original question. Yes, Bioware has sold their soul to the EA devil.

So much for me considering Bioware games in the future. They were already on thin ice with ME2, and this just dropped an anvil on said ice right at their feet.

I can't understand how can some people here support Bioware on this one.

"He didn't respect the rules so he deserves it! NYEH NYEH NYEH!"

NO! He didn't deserve it. He payed 50 euros, not a small amount in our days, to purchase a product. The company that made it gratefully took his money and then they turn to him and say:

"Yeah, thanks for your money, but you were a meanie in our little club so you can't play!"

I believed in you Bioware. I guess once you make a certain amount of money you become blind to humanity and profit is the only value in your life... Piracy is a better alternative to this (not that I will pirate this game, even if I did my pc would choke to death on such a heavy game). Bioware, you will get my money again when you prove you deserve it!

Way for Bioware and EA to be dicks. Guess they just lost a sale, I wont buy from them anymore. This is not the only reason, just the final straw.

w00tage:
Well, at first I thought it was just an oversight by zealous IT people at Bioware. But then Stanley Woo chimed in and said the following

"Please review the EA Community Terms of Service, particularly sections #9 and #11. There are two levels of enforcement here:

1. BioWare community bans are forum-only and can be for as little as 24 hours. These bans should have no effect on your game, only your ability to use all the features of this website/community. these bans are handed out by BioWare Moderators as the result of our travels around the forum and/or issues reported by fellow community members.

2. EA Community bans come down from a different department and are the result of someone hitting the REPORT POST button. These bans can affect access to your game and/or DLC.

Because the BioWare community now operates under the same umbrella as all EA Communities, community members here have all explicitly agreed to abide by and be governed by both sets of rules. Consider it an added incentive to follow the rules you say you're going to follow.

If there are further questions or concerns, please send them to me via private message. Thank you.

End of line."

Translation - "hey, when you created a forum account, you agreed to let anyone on the forum who hits the "report post" button deny you access to the games you've paid for. So thanks for your money and take a hike".

Given this response, I believe that Mr. Woo has answered the poster's original question. Yes, Bioware has sold their soul to the EA devil.

So much for me considering Bioware games in the future. They were already on thin ice with ME2, and this just dropped an anvil on said ice right at their feet.

I totally forgot to mention that point about the "report post" thing. An incredible oversight on my part. Add this to what I said. I'm in agreement with you, w00tage.

That "Bioware Forums" pic needs to go viral ASAP. Quick, call the /b/tards!

Something tells me we are missing the whole story....

Things like this is why more and more people pirate games. Why pay money to a corporation who can prevent you from playing the game you bought if you bad mouth there corporation.

Well dang. This negative backlash could sink them in March Madness. I might have to rework my chart.

BOTTOM LINE.

The kid was an ass. And EA was also an ass. But it will be EA that suffers more merely because it couldn't be the bigger man. You guys here talking about it are pretty much an indicator of that.

So, question is...why're we still having this conversation? There's nothing left!

It seems like whenever a great company gets bought or absorbed by a much larger publisher. EA...Activation, it always goes down the crapper.

RedEyesBlackGamer:
If this is true I have officially lost the last bit of respect I had for Bioware.

If? Unfortunately, it is true. I just went through the bioware forums and it was confirmed by a stanly woo who seems like a dick calling it an "incentive" to not exercise ones right to freedom of speech. I mean... really? Someone asks a dumb question as "did bioware sell their soul to the EA devil" (or something close to that) and then they cant play anything that they paid for. Well I'm not going to support that kind of bs so no DO:2 for me. Total war shogan here I come. :p

Master_Fubar23:

RedEyesBlackGamer:
If this is true I have officially lost the last bit of respect I had for Bioware.

If? Unfortunately, it is true. I just went through the bioware forums and it was confirmed by a stanly woo who seems like a dick calling it an "incentive" to not exercise ones right to freedom of speech. I mean... really? Someone asks a dumb question as "did bioware sell their soul to the EA devil" (or something close to that) and then they cant play anything that they paid for. Well I'm not going to support that kind of bs so no DO:2 for me. Total war shogan here I come. :p

I've posted on and perused the Bioware forums a bit. Stanley Woo always comes off like a dick because he is.

Silver Patriot:
Well dang. This negative backlash could sink them in March Madness. I might have to rework my chart.

Good point! Hadn't thought of that.

Guys I don't think he got PERMANENTLY barred from getting the game, it's in their C&C and they'll probably let him register it when he isn't suspended.

A lot of you are taking this out of context and if you read the second thread you'll realize how silly you all sound.

EDIT: Yeah you guys were wrong, as soon as the OP's account is unsuspended he gets his game.
Also Stanley Woo is just doing his job...they have their own code of conduct for locking threads and stuff.

EDITEDIT: Nvm, maybe their Code of conduct/EULA thing is a little bit silly.

Lucien Pyrus:
Something tells me we are missing the whole story....

Is EVERY moderator at Bioware an ass? Stanley Woo, Chris Priestly...

Clive Howlitzer:

Master_Fubar23:

RedEyesBlackGamer:
If this is true I have officially lost the last bit of respect I had for Bioware.

If? Unfortunately, it is true. I just went through the bioware forums and it was confirmed by a stanly woo who seems like a dick calling it an "incentive" to not exercise ones right to freedom of speech. I mean... really? Someone asks a dumb question as "did bioware sell their soul to the EA devil" (or something close to that) and then they cant play anything that they paid for. Well I'm not going to support that kind of bs so no DO:2 for me. Total war shogan here I come. :p

I've posted on and perused the Bioware forums a bit. Stanley Woo always comes off like a dick because he is.

OR may be 'cause we was working over time and way over his head. No excuse, I know, but helps you understand. May be he's not a dick all the time, just this time.

This is not a freedom of speech issue. I do wish people would quit saying that it is. EA/BW has every right to allow and disallow people on their forums as they see fit. So suspending/temp banning him is fine and even the guy who got banned admits that.

The problem comes when he is locked out of the activation servers. This is inexcusable but again, it isn't about free speech. They grounded him from his own games for 3 days...that is beyond their legal reach and also it is unethical.

Wabblefish:
Guys I don't think he got PERMANENTLY barred from getting the game, it's in their C&C and they'll probably let him register it when he isn't suspended.

A lot of you are taking this out of context and if you read the second thread you'll realize how silly you all sound.

EDIT: Yeah you guys were wrong, as soon as the OP's account is unsuspended he gets his game.
Also Stanley Woo is just doing his job...they have their own code of conduct for locking threads and stuff.

So, in your mind, it's ok for EA to ground him from his games for 3 days?

Holy crap have you guys seen the metacritic page for DA2? It's getting bombed with neg reviews hahahaha

Avg score: 3.8 at time of this post

Yosharian:
Holy crap have you guys seen the metacritic page for DA2? It's getting bombed with neg reviews hahahaha

Avg score: 3.8 at time of this post

But that's old news. Is it getting worse by the minute, right now? 'Cause that'd be something.

Well shit. I get the banning, but cutting him off from the game he bought? That doesn't seem right. I get his ignorance though. Not reading what you agree to is within their rights as long as you hit the yes option. I just see it as a very harsh punishment for something so small.

Though it is wrong. your hands are tied if you make an agreement to it.

Venereus:

Yosharian:
Holy crap have you guys seen the metacritic page for DA2? It's getting bombed with neg reviews hahahaha

Avg score: 3.8 at time of this post

But that's old news. Is it getting worse by the minute, right now? 'Cause that'd be something.

Oh, is it? Well I dunno if it's old news. Maybe it's not, then.

Still think it's funny.

Hulten:
Well shit. I get the banning, but cutting him off from the game he bought? That doesn't seem right. I get his ignorance though. Not reading what you agree to is within their rights as long as you hit the yes option. I just see it as a very harsh punishment for something so small.

Though it is wrong. your hands are tied if you make an agreement to it.

There seems to be this attitude that clicking "I Agree" trumps consumer protection laws, it doesn't.

Ahh I called this type of behavior long ago.

Like the money pit and sales numbers boosted by Microsoft, A xbox died user got a replacement/had to buy another "We sell more than Sony!" fraud. You sell more cause your product breaks not to superiority...

Then came bans for people using single play cheats off line on their multiplayer...

Now your forum posts.

And next hmmmm, If you save a game, gamble and if you lose reload it will be a "violation" of terms of usage to the game... I can see that.
Shut your game key down force you to shell out another 60 bucks and laugh "It's in our agreement."

-leans back and waits for this exact thing to happen in a year or two-

Garak73:

Hulten:
Well shit. I get the banning, but cutting him off from the game he bought? That doesn't seem right. I get his ignorance though. Not reading what you agree to is within their rights as long as you hit the yes option. I just see it as a very harsh punishment for something so small.

Though it is wrong. your hands are tied if you make an agreement to it.

There seems to be this attitude that clicking "I Agree" trumps consumer protection laws, it doesn't.

You'd think, but I know state law in Texas clearly trumps that by saying "You can not sign away your basic right as a consumer." Like if you buy a ticket for a roller coaster, it can say all day long If we fail to keep the ride in good repair and it takes off your arm you can't sue. But in the courts... you can't fine print yourself out of that.

Eri:
Well if you sucker-punch a heavy weight boxer, you shouldn't be surprised when he turns around and clocks you. If you get sanctioned on steam, the sane thing happens, you're locked out of your games. If he's that unhappy with them, fuck if I know why he bought it.

No.
That's like buying a car and saying "Damn, this car sucks"
then having the car company come and repo it.

it's theft. they should all be ashamed of themselves.

Carlston:

Garak73:

Hulten:
Well shit. I get the banning, but cutting him off from the game he bought? That doesn't seem right. I get his ignorance though. Not reading what you agree to is within their rights as long as you hit the yes option. I just see it as a very harsh punishment for something so small.

Though it is wrong. your hands are tied if you make an agreement to it.

There seems to be this attitude that clicking "I Agree" trumps consumer protection laws, it doesn't.

You'd think, but I know state law in Texas clearly trumps that by saying "You can not sign away your basic right as a consumer." Like if you buy a ticket for a roller coaster, it can say all day long If we fail to keep the ride in good repair and it takes off your arm you can't sue. But in the courts... you can't fine print yourself out of that.

So we agree.

Yes, I saw this stuff coming too. I made a fuss over the SC2 cheating/banning thing but I was shouted down, this is just a step beyond that. I am glad that most people are finally fighting back. It's about time.

haha
act like a bitch, get treated like a bitch.

But he paid for his game. Some sick logic on EA's side there.

Garak73:
This is not a freedom of speech issue. I do wish people would quit saying that it is. EA/BW has every right to allow and disallow people on their forums as they see fit. So suspending/temp banning him is fine and even the guy who got banned admits that.

The problem comes when he is locked out of the activation servers. This is inexcusable but again, it isn't about free speech. They grounded him from his own games for 3 days...that is beyond their legal reach and also it is unethical.

I have to disagree. He had an issue at the time and asked a stupid question but the question itself wasnt vulgar or explicit. Its like a guy on EVE had in his bio "I LOVE NAZI'S" and got banned from the game. Although the statement isn't vular,rasist, or explicit but can mean so many things like maybe his wife is a nazi so it would be a true statement so he fought back, won, and was compensated for his troubles. Only difference here is that (as far as we know) the guy isn't banned from using his games only temp banned (oh and he's probably only saying he deserved the temp ban so they dont perma ban him). Either way its wrong what Bioware/EA did.

Sud0_x:
Just wanted to clarify for people, he wasn't banned from playing his games for 72 hours, he was suspended from the Bioware forums for 72 hours, after which he made that thread.

So he came back from a forum suspension only to discover he'd been EA Community banned and couldn't activate his game or play his old games with the DLC he'd paid for.
Thought I'd spell it out for the many of you who can't read...
Honestly some of you people are pants on head.. silly. Yeah you're silly.
At least do some fucking research before you go writing dumbass replies to people. Am I still the butthurt fanboy elitist? This shit is getting old.
Good day.

In the end he was grounded from his games because of behavior on the forums. That is the problem here.

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