EA's Origin is creepy and watches you sleep!

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Well ok, not really, but EA's Origin does watch everything you do on your computer.

If you read the End User License Agreement for Origin it states that by installing Origin you're giving EA the right to monitor your PC and to make a profile of you, including what programs you have installed (and whether you have any illegally downloaded material), what websites you use, etc., and that EA reserves the right to share or sell this information to third parties.

Why have I heard NOTHING about this yet? Where is the outrage? Is it just that no one actually reads the EULA, or is it that in the age of facebook no one cares about people monitoring everything they do?

Whelp... Not getting any EA games for my PC in the foreseeable future, thank you very much. There are many things I can stand when it comes to games and DRM and the like. Invading my privacy is not one of them.

this is bad
never buying EA

I actually had heard some of that (I think Root Of All Evil mentioned it on some thread yesterday), but I too am surprised at the lack of outrage. That is absolutely ridiculous.

STEAM keeps records of your programs installed, too

just tah let you know

HassEsser:
STEAM keeps records of your programs installed, too

just tah let you know

Yeah, but not ALL of them. Just the ones you got from Steam.

I think that someone already started a topic about.

OT:this is one of the main reasons that i don't use it.

Isn't it awesome how the more we learn about Origin, the worse it gets?

I'm reminded of all the folks who came down on the "both companies are greedy" or the "wait and see" side of the EA vs. Valve debate.

When you're dealing with the devil, you really don't need to hear the details.

Honestly, they are making it harder and harder for me to buy their games now. I want to be as carefree as the next guy and dismiss all of this bullshit so I can play seemingly great games like BF3, ME3, etc. But it's either at or very near the point where I don't feel comfortable supporting EA with my purchases anymore.

Bugger me, I was actually considering bending my Steam-only policy and getting Origin, purely for Dragon Age 2.

BUT NO. You do not get to take my everything and sell it to 'third parties'. That is creepy. A shame it is, I quite like a lot of EA games.

Oh no! So you mean to say that if I have Origin I'll get spam mail based on what it thinks I like? That's horrible! This is a completely new thing that will ruin everything forever! And you say it'll detect pirated software? How dare EA try to fight against an illegal practice! What has the world come to?

mornal:
Oh no! So you mean to say that if I have Origin I'll get spam mail based on what it thinks I like? That's horrible! This is a completely new thing that will ruin everything forever! And you say it'll detect pirated software? How dare EA try to fight against an illegal practice! What has the world come to?

So the fact that it scans your computer and takes note of what programs you have installed and (this wasn't in the OP, but it's part of it) what websites you visit doesn't bother you? Doesn't seem like s bit of an invasion of privacy? Also, as for the first part of your post, the fact that other companies do it makes it ok?

Avatar Roku:

mornal:
Oh no! So you mean to say that if I have Origin I'll get spam mail based on what it thinks I like? That's horrible! This is a completely new thing that will ruin everything forever! And you say it'll detect pirated software? How dare EA try to fight against an illegal practice! What has the world come to?

So the fact that it scans your computer and takes note of what programs you have installed and (this wasn't in the OP, but it's part of it) what websites you visit doesn't bother you? Doesn't seem like s bit of an invasion of privacy? Also, as for the first part of your post, the fact that other companies do it makes it ok?

It bothers me, but not enough to declare EA the devil and refuse to buy their games. Do I wish they didn't do it? Yeah, sure. Do I really care? Nope.

As to the "if others do it" comment: no, obviously not. Two wrongs don't make a right. But even with other companies doing the same thing all I get is some spam in my inbox. It's annoying (barely) but one more company doing it won't be the end of the world.

Again, am I saying that I condone what EA doing their whole snooping thing? No. But I'm not going to let that get in the way of some of the damn fine games they produce.

mornal:

Avatar Roku:

mornal:
Oh no! So you mean to say that if I have Origin I'll get spam mail based on what it thinks I like? That's horrible! This is a completely new thing that will ruin everything forever! And you say it'll detect pirated software? How dare EA try to fight against an illegal practice! What has the world come to?

So the fact that it scans your computer and takes note of what programs you have installed and (this wasn't in the OP, but it's part of it) what websites you visit doesn't bother you? Doesn't seem like s bit of an invasion of privacy? Also, as for the first part of your post, the fact that other companies do it makes it ok?

It bothers me, but not enough to declare EA the devil and refuse to buy their games. Do I wish they didn't do it? Yeah, sure. Do I really care? Nope.

As to the "if others do it" comment: no, obviously not. Two wrongs don't make a right. But even with other companies doing the same thing all I get is some spam in my inbox. It's annoying (barely) but one more company doing it won't be the end of the world.

Again, am I saying that I condone what EA doing their whole snooping thing? No. But I'm not going to let that get in the way of some of the damn fine games they produce.

Eh, I get you. Personally, this whole sort of thing is a HUGE pet peeve of mine, but I get why you might not see it in the same light.

Have you ever read any other EULA? They all have this shit in it.

That explains that one Critical Miss to me...http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comics/critical-miss/9058-Critical-Miss-Origin

Anyway, This doesn't really effect me since I don't really game online. I don't have a Steam either. Still, kinda messed up how they do that. I think it's mainly for survey purposes though.

Whats that? Origin who?

Sorry I was too busy sucking the steam co, er, valve to notice there was another option. Still not gonna use the other option either!

leet_x1337:

HassEsser:
STEAM keeps records of your programs installed, too

just tah let you know

Yeah, but not ALL of them. Just the ones you got from Steam.

Not according to their survey. see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.

leet_x1337:

HassEsser:
STEAM keeps records of your programs installed, too

just tah let you know

Yeah, but not ALL of them. Just the ones you got from Steam.

That's not true.

http://torrentfreak.com/steam-gamers-are-avid-bittorrent-users-100823/

It's voluntary, but it's on by default as far as I know. Most people are submitting system specs and software installed on their computers without knowing. I mean, I know they use some of it to gauge whether or not to support XP or see how many people are on what OS with what hardware, but people should just be aware of it.

Honestly, I have nothing important to hide, but I'd rather they didn't do that.

Avatar Roku:
Eh, I get you. Personally, this whole sort of thing is a HUGE pet peeve of mine, but I get why you might not see it in the same light.

Understandable. My huge pet peeve is people who read about small problems (at least in my opinion) with a game, or in this case service, make them refuse to buy it. "Battlefield 3 won't have an in-game server browser? You've just lost a customer EA!".

Valiance:

leet_x1337:

HassEsser:
STEAM keeps records of your programs installed, too

just tah let you know

Yeah, but not ALL of them. Just the ones you got from Steam.

That's not true.

http://torrentfreak.com/steam-gamers-are-avid-bittorrent-users-100823/

It's voluntary, but it's on by default as far as I know. Most people are submitting system specs and software installed on their computers without knowing. I mean, I know they use some of it to gauge whether or not to support XP or see how many people are on what OS with what hardware, but people should just be aware of it.

Honestly, I have nothing important to hide, but I'd rather they didn't do that.

Er, you get to opt out when you install. It's what I did.

Uh... is this new? I'm asking because I have the EA Download Manager on my computer already (because of Crysis 2). Is this... well, let's call it a spy module agreement - is this new, or was it already in place before the EA DL Manager changed its legal name to Origin? If it's new, I won't upgrade my manager to Origin, but that'll mean I've essentially thrown away or destroyed my copy of Crysis 2. :(

Dirty Hipsters:
EA the right to monitor your PC and to make a profile of you, including what programs you have installed (and whether you have any illegally downloaded material), what websites you use, etc., and that EA reserves the right to share or sell this information to third parties.

Can you give a source for this please.

Also, doesn't Steam do exactly the same thing? Someone mentioned that it does, but you can opt out of it. I'm not sure whether I opted out of it when I installed, and I can't find any setting option in Steam settings that would disable such a thing. Hmm.

Sonicron:
Uh... is this new? I'm asking because I have the EA Download Manager on my computer already (because of Crysis 2). Is this... well, let's call it a spy module agreement - is this new, or was it already in place before the EA DL Manager changed its legal name to Origin? If it's new, I won't upgrade my manager to Origin, but that'll mean I've essentially thrown away or destroyed my copy of Crysis 2. :(

Since origin is an updated verison of EA download manager,i guess it also applys to EA DM.(not 100% sure)

Yosharian:

Dirty Hipsters:
EA the right to monitor your PC and to make a profile of you, including what programs you have installed (and whether you have any illegally downloaded material), what websites you use, etc., and that EA reserves the right to share or sell this information to third parties.

Can you give a source for this please.

Also, doesn't Steam do exactly the same thing? Someone mentioned that it does, but you can opt out of it. I'm not sure whether I opted out of it when I installed, and I can't find any setting option in Steam settings that would disable such a thing. Hmm.

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Nobody reads EULAs, and this is bullshit, and another reason for me to not use Origin.
Also it'll send my processor to hell and back before I can open anything ever again. It's strained enough as it is.

Well that does it. I'm a massive Battlefield fan and have supported it over rivals since the series' inception, but this is going to cost them my support of BF3. Permanently, unless they patch this shit out at some point. The delicious irony in this is that they're probably trying to combat piracy with this, but have inadvertently validated the pirates' argument of "Orwellian DRM invades our privacy."

On comparisons to Steam, there are a couple of problems with that, typical of what you'd expect from a Valve vs. EA matchup. The Steam scans are optional, present an obvious opt-out during install, only run when the client is running, and are limited to hardware and support (driver, DX/OpenGL) software checks. If Origin is anything like its predecessor, it's service-based and automatically registers that service to run at startup, meaning it's eating my processor time and watching me from minute one. If EA seriously thinks they're going to compete with Steam with this, they don't get Steam.

Yeah, EA?
Feel free to browse my clean gaming rig:)
I keep the illegal and disgusting shit on my work system.

Anyone willing to take guesses at how long this farce is going to continue before EA throws in the towel?

EA wants to tell people about my porn collection?

This an OUTRAGE! Origin can suck my dick, I'm a shark!

mornal:
Oh no! So you mean to say that if I have Origin I'll get spam mail based on what it thinks I like? That's horrible! This is a completely new thing that will ruin everything forever! And you say it'll detect pirated software? How dare EA try to fight against an illegal practice! What has the world come to?

Well, for the same reason there were a gazillion threads about windows xp and a lot of guides how to get rid of the monitoring...

Umm you guys know most programs do the same ye? have your ever read the T&C of your antivirus programs? Microsoft programs you install? MAC do it without even telling you i believe.
Ye this isnt new, its allways been there, it just wasnt until it was shoved in your face you noticed it.

I'm not even surprised, really. All I'm gonna say is this:

FUCKING called it.

That is spyware. That is illegal. What I do the internet is my business. My computer, my jack off time, my rules.

Avatar Roku:
I actually had heard some of that (I think Root Of All Evil mentioned it on some thread yesterday), but I too am surprised at the lack of outrage. That is absolutely ridiculous.

Heh, nice to know I'm remembered :) Yeah, grab any EULAs with your fine tooth comb and have a look at what they let the companies do that directly and illegally interferes with your rights. It's doubtful that they would use the EULA to those extremes, but it's only the bad publicity that's going to stop them.

Here's a quick bait and switch from EA's.

WHEN YOU USE ANY ONLINE GAME, SERVICE or WEBSITE FROM ELECTRONIC ARTS YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU HAVE READ, UNDERSTOOD, AND AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THESE TERMS.

http://legal.ea.com/legal/legal.jsp?language=en

Hidden until you call it up, but legally binding simply by going to www.ea.com - so you acknowledge it without knowing it.

(IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THIS POLICY, PLEASE DO NOT USE ANY EA SITE, ONLINE OR MOBILE PRODUCT OR SERVICE.)

- which you have to to see this.

(And because it's in a pop-up, you can't easily use "Find" on it)

EA may collect personal information from our online visitors during:

Contest registration and prize acceptance;
Warranty registration and requests;
Customer support and/or technical service requests;
Player match up and other head-to-head online competitions;
Registration for games and/or special game-specific events;
Newsletter subscriptions, referral services, and other marketing surveys and email campaigns;
Registration for EA and/or other service accounts;
Product, service and/or subscription orders;
Service requests from third party service providers on our site; and
Otherwise through use of our software, mobile or online services where personal information is required for use and/or participation.

Information collected will vary depending upon the activity and may include your name, email address, phone number, home address, birth date, mobile phone number and credit card information.

They don't HAVE to, but they can.

We may also receive other personal information from third parties in connection with the operation and distribution of our products and services as well as market and demographic studies that we use to supplement personal information provided directly by you.

Anything our hirelings find out is fair game.

When you use EA online and mobile products and services or you play our games on your PC or console, we may collect certain non-personal demographic information including gender, zip code, information about your computer, hardware, software, platform, media, mobile device, mobile device ID, console ID, incident data, Internet Protocol (IP) address, network Media Access Control (MAC) address and connection. We also collect other non-personal information such as feature usage, game play statistics and scores, user rankings and click paths as well as other data that you may provide in surveys, via your account preferences and online profiles or through purchases, for instance.

A lot of this information is restricted under the various Data Protection Acts, but the top part of the contract says that you waive your rights to be protected by that law. That's actually wrong in a lot of countries, as you cannot waive your own rights.

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Know about them? You do now.

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If we've stolen from you, it's your fault and you'll have to contact us. Unless you're in California

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Under California law, California Residents who have an established business relationship with Electronic Arts Inc. (EA) or one of its subsidiaries may choose to opt out of EA disclosure of personal information about them to third parties for direct marketing purposes. As detailed above, our policy is not to disclose personal information collected online to a third party for direct marketing purposes without your approval.

I could rip into any EULA so it's not just EA, but the rights the EULA give you are far beyond what is necessary to run a big corporation - and by judicial "use" of the rights they have, they can pass everything to a third party company - which just went bankrupt. While they happily log everything you do while you have an EA program running, even if doesn't appear in Task Manager.

If you're not doing anything illegal, then you may say "Why should I be bothered?" - but how do you know you're not doing anything that "seems" illegal.

Perhaps you have a lot of pictures of your child with his friends on the beach? EA snoops and wonders why a grown man/woman has lots of pictures of semi-naked children on their computer.

Perhaps you mail box is filling up with viagra spam, EA may be wondering why you're dealing in so much viagra.

Perhaps you've left a bad Amazon comment on an EA product, EA would "politely" like to know "exactly" why you've chosen to "Amazon-bomb" their "brilliant" product, and will contact you to find out. Repeatedly. At 2am.

It's not that they will, it's that they can. And legally, they're allowed to, because you signed the EULA.

This is spying, plain and simple, and I'm fairly certain it's against the law. Can't we do anything about this?

I severely doubt it has the ability to do anything threatening. In fact I doubt it does anything crazy. I'm sure it can easily be blocked by any competent anti virus.

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