EA's Origin is creepy and watches you sleep!

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Seriously? Are EA trying to make Origin seem as bad as possible? It's like they want to fail.

welp, I was willing to give it a shot. I really was.

Now I might have to pirate Mass Effect 3, if only to spite EA.

As if we needed any less reason to use it.

well im glad im getting BF3 on the xbox because this bullshit of the highest degree

Well, here's to hoping that Valve can win EA back (which they seemingly intend to do) because no way am I installing Origin.

Also, here's to hoping The Old Republic won't make me use Origin despite me getting a hard copy. I like my basic human rights thank you very much.

Pedro The Hutt:
Well, here's to hoping that Valve can win EA back (which they seemingly intend to do) because no way am I installing Origin.

Also, here's to hoping The Old Republic won't make me use Origin despite me getting a hard copy. I like my basic human rights thank you very much.

EA have stated multiple times that all future EA games will use Origin despite you buying a hard copy...

Avalanche91:
welp, I was willing to give it a shot. I really was.

Now I might have to pirate Mass Effect 3, if only to spite EA.

You might want to er.... change that comment.

Condolence of Piracy on the Escapist is pretty much a guaranteed warning / probation.

OT: Origin: never going to use it for a myriad of reasons, the excessive spyware being one.

razerdoh:

Pedro The Hutt:
Well, here's to hoping that Valve can win EA back (which they seemingly intend to do) because no way am I installing Origin.

Also, here's to hoping The Old Republic won't make me use Origin despite me getting a hard copy. I like my basic human rights thank you very much.

EA have stated multiple times that all future EA games will use Origin despite you buying a hard copy...

Wow, im now going to uninstall Sims 3 as well as never buy a PC game from EA ever ever again

Why would I ever want to give out all my information to EA and other 'third parties'. Luckily, I can live without Battlefield 3, but any hopes of my buying any EA games at all in the future are completely over now. As if I needed even less reason to install Origin.

noone cares about this. Just like the fact that by agreeing to the facebook terms and conditions you are letting Facebook keep everything you ever post even if you delete it they can keep it and sell it to any company/organization that pays for it

mornal:

Avatar Roku:
Eh, I get you. Personally, this whole sort of thing is a HUGE pet peeve of mine, but I get why you might not see it in the same light.

Understandable. My huge pet peeve is people who read about small problems (at least in my opinion) with a game, or in this case service, make them refuse to buy it. "Battlefield 3 won't have an in-game server browser? You've just lost a customer EA!".

Why? If that game doesn't have a feature that they deem important then they shouldn't have to buy the blasted thing. Maybe the lack of a main menu doesn't bother you but for others the same can't be said. Games companies are providing a service, you aren't obligated to pay for a service you don't like.

bakan:

mornal:
Oh no! So you mean to say that if I have Origin I'll get spam mail based on what it thinks I like? That's horrible! This is a completely new thing that will ruin everything forever! And you say it'll detect pirated software? How dare EA try to fight against an illegal practice! What has the world come to?

Well, for the same reason there were a gazillion threads about windows xp and a lot of guides how to get rid of the monitoring...

But that didn't stop them from using XP. For some reason when EA spies on its users people boycott but when Facebook and Google spy we still use their services.

As I've said before in this thread, the only thing that's come of this big, horrible invasion of privacy when anyone else does it is some spam in your inbox. If some unwanted e-mails are enough to make you swear off a company that publishes excellent games, you have some problems.

Disclaimer: I don't condone the whole spying thing, but it doesn't bother me. If I have to get spam to play Battlefield 3 and Mass Effect 3, so be it.

KnowYourOnion:

mornal:

Avatar Roku:
Eh, I get you. Personally, this whole sort of thing is a HUGE pet peeve of mine, but I get why you might not see it in the same light.

Understandable. My huge pet peeve is people who read about small problems (at least in my opinion) with a game, or in this case service, make them refuse to buy it. "Battlefield 3 won't have an in-game server browser? You've just lost a customer EA!".

Why? If that game doesn't have a feature that they deem important then they shouldn't have to buy the blasted thing. Maybe the lack of a main menu doesn't bother you but for others the same can't be said. Games companies are providing a service, you aren't obligated to pay for a service you don't like.

Unfortunately, we're getting into subjective topics here, but I'll respond as best I can.

The lack of a main menu shouldn't be a deal breaker for anyone. How often do you spend on the main menu of a shooter? Is it anywhere near the amount of time you spend playing the game? My experiences with BF3 in the alpha weren't dampened because I didn't have a server browser.

Also, I feel obligated to say "wait until it's released before you pass judgement". It is a completely new way to do things (to my knowledge), we can't be judging it solely because it's a deviation from the norm (which really is the only way we can judge it right now).

And I'm not saying you're obligated to pay for a game that you don't like, I'm saying that people who focus on all the little things they don't like about the game that don't actually affect the game are doing it wrong. If the only reason you refuse to buy a game like Battlefield 3 is because they changed how you join mulitplayer matches, all that you're doing is making yourself look entitled.

Valiance:

leet_x1337:

HassEsser:
STEAM keeps records of your programs installed, too

just tah let you know

Yeah, but not ALL of them. Just the ones you got from Steam.

That's not true.

http://torrentfreak.com/steam-gamers-are-avid-bittorrent-users-100823/

It's voluntary, but it's on by default as far as I know. Most people are submitting system specs and software installed on their computers without knowing. I mean, I know they use some of it to gauge whether or not to support XP or see how many people are on what OS with what hardware, but people should just be aware of it.

Honestly, I have nothing important to hide, but I'd rather they didn't do that.

But not the websites I'm visiting, which is in my books a FAR worse invasion of privacy.

so essentially, the common response to this fiasco is: grumble grumble grumble, i don't want EA seeing what kind of dirty videos i watch in the evening! how dare they! (couldn't resist)

regardless, this is making me even less interested in origin, if that's even possible in the first place. i guess i might just have to forgo playin BF3 and ME3 now.

i hope they don't dare try take my ME2 from steam and attempt to force me into using origin. i will not be amused.

This kind of thing makes me glad I don't use a PC for my gaming. Try monitoring my internet-less 360 EA!

I know that the majority of the Escapist hates Origin, and that more and more people won't even be buying BF3 because of it, but what about the general gaming community? If Battlefield sells under expectations on PC, EA might reconsider how origin works, or change the service entirely.

Of course, BF3 is probably going to sell like hot cakes regardless, and no doubt EA will say Origin helped that.

So... If all new EA games are only playable with Origin, and Origin is full to the brim of otherwise illegal spyware, how long do you think it'll be until someone tries to take it to court? Storing information on your hardware, software, credit card info, and other things that third parties can request and (more than likely) receive to then pass on to other third parties...

Ugh. It sounds like one big cluster fudge, and with their army of lawyers, there's really nothing customers can do but keep opting out or simply stop buying the products. I just can't put up with the idea that everything I do is being recorded by a company that doesn't give a rat's ass about keeping any of it private.

leet_x1337:

HassEsser:
STEAM keeps records of your programs installed, too

just tah let you know

Yeah, but not ALL of them. Just the ones you got from Steam.

So? You know that you can use Steam to check what software you've installed? And if YOU can, I'm pretty sure Valve can do it to.

Gonna be staying as far away from Origin as possible.

I've always just assumed these corporations do this sort of thing. They need market data to make better products. EA's for all I know could be worse than that of Steam, or Xbox Live, but it's probably not drastically different.

I'm of the stance that I want to play video games, and so I'll agree to all of these things...otherwise I'd have an extremely limited game selection to choose from.

For those who follow these things, is there any precedence of a gaming corporations going after someone based on their non-gaming related actions only? The most I've read about is people being banned for utilizing cheat software within the game itself, or how they present themselves on the companies gaming websites.

Dirty Hipsters:
Well ok, not really, but EA's Origin does watch everything you do on your computer.

If you read the End User License Agreement for Origin it states that by installing Origin you're giving EA the right to monitor your PC and to make a profile of you, including what programs you have installed (and whether you have any illegally downloaded material), what websites you use, etc., and that EA reserves the right to share or sell this information to third parties.

Why have I heard NOTHING about this yet? Where is the outrage? Is it just that no one actually reads the EULA, or is it that in the age of facebook no one cares about people monitoring everything they do?

Because Steam does it too.

By using Valve's online sites and products, users agree that Valve may collect aggregate information, individual information, and personally identifiable information, as defined below. Valve may share aggregate information and individual information with other parties.

It's normal practice. Don't like it? Don't connect to internet, because these days majority of software does collect information about your PC and what you use on it. It's called market research, just a cheap version where they don't have to survey people individually from a limited pool.

Oh no!! EA is going to find all the pirated Ubisoft games out there. You know all of them, since their always-on DRM is so great at stopping piracy.
OT: This is bullshit plain and simple. I knew Origin wasn't a good thing, did not trust it from the time it was announced.

Thank you, no EA for me.

EA once again shoot themselves in the foot.

I feel sorry for dice, it's not really fair to boycott their hard work because of the actions of the publisher.

prince_xedar:
noone cares about this.

I guess alot of people here are known as noone then.

Someone should really sue them for creating spyware.

This is really fucked up ... so EA can see all my downloaded porn, music, shows etc. I love Mass Effect but ... damn this sucks!

mornal:
Oh no! So you mean to say that if I have Origin I'll get spam mail based on what it thinks I like? That's horrible! This is a completely new thing that will ruin everything forever! And you say it'll detect pirated software? How dare EA try to fight against an illegal practice! What has the world come to?

So, I'll be coming to your house on Thursday. Just in case you might have drugs there, I will root through all your stuff. Then I will write down every piece of information I can get my hands on and sell that information to anyone who will buy it. After all, drugs are bad, mkay?
I know this is taking it far, but I still feel your comment is ridicolous. Also, I think the Norwegian Data Inspectorate will have a problem with this.

im fine with EA scanning for piracy on my PC, but selling system information to third parties?!
this is absurd, insanity, madness!! if they sell i want profit! oh well, back to xbox360/PS3...

I don't mind EA watching my sources of po~~~~my little pony streaming <_<
I kinda doubt I will get any problems anyhow.
And else I can't think of any.
Kinda think the government of some sorts know even more than they ever will

...

Or EA IS that special part of the government!!! HA! I knew it!

well i have origin installed because my computer isnt a medieval p.o.s that cant handle it, also i like the sims 3

but this is making me kinda think of removing it now, this is kinda fucked up, but no that i have it, i guess they have all the info they need on me, so i guess i might as well keep it

just as a guide for everyone who does download it, and you dont want them monitoring what you do, simply open up task manager and remove it from your memory. if it isn't on your RAM it cant monitor anything you do. open it up play bf3 (because that will be the only game people will have for the use of origin) and then remove it from your RAM and hey presto they cant collect any of your data.

On an added note if i download it and my Eset NOD 32 flares up and blocks the download and says its spyware i shall laugh my head off and complain strait to EA and tell them to sort there act out.

Valiance:
http://torrentfreak.com/steam-gamers-are-avid-bittorrent-users-100823/

Well I declined to opt-in, but anyway that statistic doesn't account for me! Haha. I have uTorrent installed on a seperate PC to Steam :-D

bbad89:
This is spying, plain and simple, and I'm fairly certain it's against the law. Can't we do anything about this?

Don't get Origin, that is all you can do. And it's not against the law sadly.

Origin will be compulsary on all future EA titles. Unless PC gamers decide now that they don't want that, by not using the service/getting the games. It's up to us really as consumers.
I'm going to be missing out on BF3 only because of Origin, bit gutted, but I'll just get Rage anyways. I'm not making a stand or ranting or anything, I just don't want EA's spyware/bloatware on my pc and I don't like the way its heading.
Steam is bad enough.

EA do not need personally identifiable information for anything, I will not have their stuff running on startup on my PC. They are not scanning anything and they arn't tracking how I use it. Simple as.

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Yup new, hi

HassEsser:
STEAM keeps records of your programs installed, too

just tah let you know

Steam Keeps a record of what Steam Games you have installed, and your system specs. It doesn't monitor if you have 10 GB of illegally downloaded TV shows or a cracked copy of photoshop.

God dammit EA!

Like Command & Conquer 4 wasn't reason enough to never buy another EA product.

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