EA's Origin is creepy and watches you sleep!

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While I dislike EA's Origin and won't be using it. They can't sell/send/abuse personally identifiable information to third parties. Just saying.
Data mining sucks.. but computers love data.

arragonder:

HassEsser:
STEAM keeps records of your programs installed, too

just tah let you know

yeah, pretty much this, steam has been doing the same scummy thing for years, but apparently steam can do no wrong. *shrugs* both services are shit IMO.

Steam lets you know about this up front, without you having to dig through the EULA, and steam also allows you to pot out of this, which Origin does not.

Connor Wilkins:

webepoop:
yes steam does this too, although I don't think they monitor websites.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

I like how µTorrent is 23rd on that list with 29% of people having it installed. Shows how many pc gamers are dirty pirates

1) Not everyone who has utorrent is a pirate

2) Its also proven fact that "dirty" pirates are Steams, and the whole industries, best customers. Go figure.

Avatar Roku:
I actually had heard some of that (I think Root Of All Evil mentioned it on some thread yesterday), but I too am surprised at the lack of outrage. That is absolutely ridiculous.

Maybe because not many people want to get Origin, or they are just use to companies doing this everywhere else? Didn't they say you'll need Origin to play Battlefield 3 or something? Anyone's guess....I guess.

Also, I like The_root_of_all_evil's avatar. Draws the eye.
And speaking of Avatar.... ;) Good on ya.

Its things like this that make me wish that developer studios would abandon EA for better publishers.

FieryTrainwreck:

dfphetteplace:
Does EA realize there is a program for downloading all their games that doesn't do this type of activity? uTorrent. They are making it much more appealing to just steal their software even by people who don't want to pirate.

I absolutely hate piracy, but there comes a point where enough is enough.

I might start stealing games and sending cash to the developers (not the publishers) in unmarked envelopes.

That is pretty much what I was getting at. These companies are more like a badly thought out sick joke.

That's bullshit, I just un-installed origin. They just lost a customer for that crap.

10 years ago we used to download programmes to stop exactly this.

What were they called again? Oh yeah ANTIVIRUS PROGRAMMES

I get more and more depressed the more i hear about how companies are treating there customers worse and worse.

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=8488436#edit8488436

You are not required to use the Origin desktop client to download, patch or play the game client for Star Wars: The Old Republic.

Daelda:
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=8488436#edit8488436

You are not required to use the Origin desktop client to download, patch or play the game client for Star Wars: The Old Republic.

...That's nice? Why is this relevant?

JediMB:

Voodoomancer:
It doesn't monitor if you have 10 GB of illegally downloaded TV shows or a cracked copy of photoshop.

God dammit EA!

...Do you honestly think Origin does that?

It might at worst note that you use Photoshop, but it would be way too much work to get it to find out whether or not it's a legitimate copy. For that level of accurate assessment of the contents of your harddrive the application would need a database containing hundreds (or thousands) of MBs worth of information about applications and media.

I don't really. Exaggeration is my main for of communication.

I sent an email requesting the refusal of the release of my personal information in accordance with the 'Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act'. Seeing how it is a Federal law here in Canada I am interested in seeing how they answer. I want to play SWTOR when it comes out.

Did you miss the aprt where they say they will never share any information to third parties that can identify you.

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

Connor Wilkins:

webepoop:
yes steam does this too, although I don't think they monitor websites.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

I like how µTorrent is 23rd on that list with 29% of people having it installed. Shows how many pc gamers are dirty pirates

1) Not everyone who has utorrent is a pirate

2) Its also proven fact that "dirty" pirates are Steams, and the whole industries, best customers. Go figure.

Yes, because µTorrent gets downloaded by so many people just to download the minute number of files that are illegal. Not everyone who uses the Pirate Bay is a pirate, but does that justify it?

BreakfastMan:
Whelp... Not getting any EA games for my PC in the foreseeable future, thank you very much.

This, Even When they release Mirrors Edge 2 IF THEY EVER DO.
Ill get it form another source. :>

Pretty sure you tick a box to agree to this when you install it. It says something like 'EA customer feedback' If you don't tick the box it doesn't happen. It's the same with The Sims 3.

I have only one sentence for this.

Hugarh1:

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

Connor Wilkins:

I like how µTorrent is 23rd on that list with 29% of people having it installed. Shows how many pc gamers are dirty pirates

1) Not everyone who has utorrent is a pirate

2) Its also proven fact that "dirty" pirates are Steams, and the whole industries, best customers. Go figure.

Yes, because µTorrent gets downloaded by so many people just to download the minute number of files that are illegal. Not everyone who uses the Pirate Bay is a pirate, but does that justify it?

Well, er, YES? Hell yes it does.

Then again im not stupid enough to think piracy is a huge problem, so yeah.

Dirty Hipsters:

I see your one to subscribe to a situational prevention theory of blaming the victims. What you're saying basically amounts to a woman being raped and then people saying "well it's her own damn fault for wearing a short skirt and walking around at night." Of course all of us should be careful, but you can't fault the victims for a wrong that is obviously not their fault. If companies weren't being malicious with their software then what I'm saying would be a moot point, but they are malicious, and I really don't see how for you the blame doesn't fall on them ENTIRELY for being that way.

Oh God, don't turn this into an issue of victim blaming. This is spelled out in the EULA. People accepting are signing a contract. They should be paying attention for the love of God. Complaining that they're made "hard to read" doesn't make you a victim, it makes you lazy. Complaining that the companies are mean doesn't make you a victim, it makes you a fool for knowing they're "malicious" and then dicing it anyway.

Dirty Hipsters:
Well ok, not really, but EA's Origin does watch everything you do on your computer.

If you read the End User License Agreement for Origin it states that by installing Origin you're giving EA the right to monitor your PC and to make a profile of you, including what programs you have installed (and whether you have any illegally downloaded material), what websites you use, etc., and that EA reserves the right to share or sell this information to third parties.

Why have I heard NOTHING about this yet? Where is the outrage? Is it just that no one actually reads the EULA, or is it that in the age of facebook no one cares about people monitoring everything they do?

still waiting for that picture that shows it in the EULA

No, EA, no! You're going back to the dark side again! We don't want the old EA, the whore that released tons of yearly sports games, never launched innovative IPs such as mirrors edge and bulletstorm, and was generally a prick! People, help me get EA back in rehab!

Wow this is evil. Not just overpowered multiplayer pre-order bonus evil, not just parking attendant ticket for being away for a minute too long evil, actually full blown umbrella corporation, tim curry in a clown costume evil. If they don't put a stop to it soon, they should face legal precedings.

But of course, they won't they're too rich to be guilty.

EXTREME CAPITALISM: S*** WORKS!

Zachary Amaranth:

Dirty Hipsters:

I see your one to subscribe to a situational prevention theory of blaming the victims. What you're saying basically amounts to a woman being raped and then people saying "well it's her own damn fault for wearing a short skirt and walking around at night." Of course all of us should be careful, but you can't fault the victims for a wrong that is obviously not their fault. If companies weren't being malicious with their software then what I'm saying would be a moot point, but they are malicious, and I really don't see how for you the blame doesn't fall on them ENTIRELY for being that way.

Oh God, don't turn this into an issue of victim blaming. This is spelled out in the EULA. People accepting are signing a contract. They should be paying attention for the love of God. Complaining that they're made "hard to read" doesn't make you a victim, it makes you lazy. Complaining that the companies are mean doesn't make you a victim, it makes you a fool for knowing they're "malicious" and then dicing it anyway.

They shouldn't have to accept such terms! especially as EA are putting all of their PC games onto origin and only origin. So basically EA is saying "want our games? Let us see what kind of freaky porn you're into. We won't tell anyone, we promise! Promisesubjecttoit'sownmicroscopicprint."

I'm going to predict EA's response:

"Yea, that's what the EULA says, but we're only going to gather data of our own games, honest!"

I don't think it's illegal, because they're clearly describing what they're doing in the EULA.

SH4DOWSL4Y3R:
so essentially, the common response to this fiasco is: grumble grumble grumble, i don't want EA seeing what kind of dirty videos i watch in the evening! how dare they! (couldn't resist)

I don't know about you, but I access a LOT of websites with really sensitive information about me.

Stuff like my retirement investments, bank accounts, credit card information, confidential work information, etc.

How the hell would I know what EA is collecting and what it's not with an EULA like that.

Srdjan Tanaskovic:

Dirty Hipsters:
Well ok, not really, but EA's Origin does watch everything you do on your computer.

If you read the End User License Agreement for Origin it states that by installing Origin you're giving EA the right to monitor your PC and to make a profile of you, including what programs you have installed (and whether you have any illegally downloaded material), what websites you use, etc., and that EA reserves the right to share or sell this information to third parties.

Why have I heard NOTHING about this yet? Where is the outrage? Is it just that no one actually reads the EULA, or is it that in the age of facebook no one cares about people monitoring everything they do?

still waiting for that picture that shows it in the EULA

Pictures were already posted on the first page of this thread by another poster.

You can also find the EULA EA's website if you're so inclined to read the entire thing.

Steam does the same thing, and has forever, so this is no big deal.

From the Privacy Policy:
By using Valve's online sites and products, users agree that Valve may collect aggregate information, individual information, and personally identifiable information, as defined below. Valve may share aggregate information and individual information with other parties. Valve shall not share personally identifiable information with other parties, except as described in the policy below.

You mean like how steam does the exact same thing?

THIS IS OUTRAGE!

KoRMorrigan:
Steam does the same thing, and has forever, so this is no big deal.

From the Privacy Policy:
By using Valve's online sites and products, users agree that Valve may collect aggregate information, individual information, and personally identifiable information, as defined below. Valve may share aggregate information and individual information with other parties. Valve shall not share personally identifiable information with other parties, except as described in the policy below.

I think that breaks the ice,I think that you can also opt out.

double post.

yuval152:

KoRMorrigan:
Steam does the same thing, and has forever, so this is no big deal.

From the Privacy Policy:
By using Valve's online sites and products, users agree that Valve may collect aggregate information, individual information, and personally identifiable information, as defined below. Valve may share aggregate information and individual information with other parties. Valve shall not share personally identifiable information with other parties, except as described in the policy below.

I think that breaks the ice.

Thats what the Origin agreement says.

I love how everyone here is 2 seconds away from jumping on the EA hate-wagon EVEN THOUGH the OP didn't even post the entire Terms and Agreements.

I swear to god i could make up ANYTHING about EA and i would have every gamer eating out of my hands

TwistedComplex:

yuval152:

KoRMorrigan:
Steam does the same thing, and has forever, so this is no big deal.

From the Privacy Policy:
By using Valve's online sites and products, users agree that Valve may collect aggregate information, individual information, and personally identifiable information, as defined below. Valve may share aggregate information and individual information with other parties. Valve shall not share personally identifiable information with other parties, except as described in the policy below.

I think that breaks the ice.

Thats what the Origin agreement says.

I love how everyone here is 2 seconds away from jumping on the EA hate-wagon EVEN THOUGH the OP didn't even post the entire Terms and Agreements.

I swear to god i could make up ANYTHING about EA and i would have every gamer eating out of my hands

The_root_of_all_evil:

Avatar Roku:
I actually had heard some of that (I think Root Of All Evil mentioned it on some thread yesterday), but I too am surprised at the lack of outrage. That is absolutely ridiculous.

Heh, nice to know I'm remembered :) Yeah, grab any EULAs with your fine tooth comb and have a look at what they let the companies do that directly and illegally interferes with your rights. It's doubtful that they would use the EULA to those extremes, but it's only the bad publicity that's going to stop them.

Here's a quick bait and switch from EA's.

WHEN YOU USE ANY ONLINE GAME, SERVICE or WEBSITE FROM ELECTRONIC ARTS YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU HAVE READ, UNDERSTOOD, AND AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THESE TERMS.

http://legal.ea.com/legal/legal.jsp?language=en

Hidden until you call it up, but legally binding simply by going to www.ea.com - so you acknowledge it without knowing it.

(IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THIS POLICY, PLEASE DO NOT USE ANY EA SITE, ONLINE OR MOBILE PRODUCT OR SERVICE.)

- which you have to to see this.

(And because it's in a pop-up, you can't easily use "Find" on it)

EA may collect personal information from our online visitors during:

Contest registration and prize acceptance;
Warranty registration and requests;
Customer support and/or technical service requests;
Player match up and other head-to-head online competitions;
Registration for games and/or special game-specific events;
Newsletter subscriptions, referral services, and other marketing surveys and email campaigns;
Registration for EA and/or other service accounts;
Product, service and/or subscription orders;
Service requests from third party service providers on our site; and
Otherwise through use of our software, mobile or online services where personal information is required for use and/or participation.

Information collected will vary depending upon the activity and may include your name, email address, phone number, home address, birth date, mobile phone number and credit card information.

They don't HAVE to, but they can.

We may also receive other personal information from third parties in connection with the operation and distribution of our products and services as well as market and demographic studies that we use to supplement personal information provided directly by you.

Anything our hirelings find out is fair game.

When you use EA online and mobile products and services or you play our games on your PC or console, we may collect certain non-personal demographic information including gender, zip code, information about your computer, hardware, software, platform, media, mobile device, mobile device ID, console ID, incident data, Internet Protocol (IP) address, network Media Access Control (MAC) address and connection. We also collect other non-personal information such as feature usage, game play statistics and scores, user rankings and click paths as well as other data that you may provide in surveys, via your account preferences and online profiles or through purchases, for instance.

A lot of this information is restricted under the various Data Protection Acts, but the top part of the contract says that you waive your rights to be protected by that law. That's actually wrong in a lot of countries, as you cannot waive your own rights.

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Know about them? You do now.

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If we've stolen from you, it's your fault and you'll have to contact us. Unless you're in California

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Under California law, California Residents who have an established business relationship with Electronic Arts Inc. (EA) or one of its subsidiaries may choose to opt out of EA disclosure of personal information about them to third parties for direct marketing purposes. As detailed above, our policy is not to disclose personal information collected online to a third party for direct marketing purposes without your approval.

I could rip into any EULA so it's not just EA, but the rights the EULA give you are far beyond what is necessary to run a big corporation - and by judicial "use" of the rights they have, they can pass everything to a third party company - which just went bankrupt. While they happily log everything you do while you have an EA program running, even if doesn't appear in Task Manager.

If you're not doing anything illegal, then you may say "Why should I be bothered?" - but how do you know you're not doing anything that "seems" illegal.

Perhaps you have a lot of pictures of your child with his friends on the beach? EA snoops and wonders why a grown man/woman has lots of pictures of semi-naked children on their computer.

Perhaps you mail box is filling up with viagra spam, EA may be wondering why you're dealing in so much viagra.

Perhaps you've left a bad Amazon comment on an EA product, EA would "politely" like to know "exactly" why you've chosen to "Amazon-bomb" their "brilliant" product, and will contact you to find out. Repeatedly. At 2am.

It's not that they will, it's that they can. And legally, they're allowed to, because you signed the EULA.

Imp Emissary:

Also, I like The_root_of_all_evil's avatar. Draws the eye.

Danke. Nice to be noticed :)

ahtf:
Did you miss the aprt where they say they will never share any information to third parties that can identify you.

I'm pretty sure my IP address is considered personally identifiable information which they said they would share with third parties. That and the fact I would rather not have any of my information stored that doesn't need to be especially when the legal definition of personally identifiable information is somewhat murky.

Not to mention that EA Legacy Servers were recently hacked and my account was one of the victims.

JonnWood:

FieryTrainwreck:

dfphetteplace:
Does EA realize there is a program for downloading all their games that doesn't do this type of activity? uTorrent. They are making it much more appealing to just steal their software even by people who don't want to pirate.

I absolutely hate piracy, but there comes a point where enough is enough.

I might start stealing games and sending cash to the developers (not the publishers) in unmarked envelopes.

Nope. Piracy is never justified. You never have a right to get a game for free, no matter how much the legal version may inconvenience you. You don't even have a right to a version without nonsense intrusion like this. You do, however, have the right to complain. On forums, in letters, wherever.

Since I'd be sending the people who actually made the game money, it wouldn't be stealing. Not in the appropriate moral sense, anyways. Then again, I'm someone who realizes who actually makes the laws and where they get their handouts.

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