Mass Effect 3's same sex romance

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It's been previously announced that Mass Effect 3 is going to include the option of allowing your Shepard to romance squad mates of the same gender. This feature isn't entirely new, as FemShep was able to romance Liara and Kelly, but Kelly's romance was purely fanservice and wasn't a legitimate romance. However, this time you're able to romance nearly every other squadmate opposed to FemShep romancing a mono-gendered yet blatantly all-female race.

What do you think of this? Do you approve of BioWare providing the option for same sex romances?

I'm not against it, but if they start retconning old characters into being gay for the hell of it, then I'll get mad. There has been nothing ingame to indicate that Garrus or Kaidan were ever gay, so I don't want it suddenly popping up with them going: "I want you now Sheploo!"

They did it with Anders in DA2, and made him a whiny bitch about it to boot.

So everyone is bisexual?
ok

Soviet Heavy:
I'm not against it, but if they start retconning old characters into being gay for the hell of it, then I'll get mad. There has been nothing ingame to indicate that Garrus or Kaidan were ever gay, so I don't want it suddenly popping up with them going: "I want you now Sheploo!"

They did it with Anders in DA2, and made him a whiny bitch about it to boot.

I hated what they've done with Anders character in DA2 in general.

I just hope turning some of the male squadmates bi doesn't effect their characterization.

I wish they'd had more gay options all the way through. My FemShep should've been with Tali dammit. >.<

She could've at least noticed....

I'll admit the transition might be a little weird for established characters, but I don't particularly mind. For all we know they could all be like Captain Jack Harkness: "So many species so little time..."

What? Don't pretend you don't know exactly what I mean :D

Soviet Heavy:
I'm not against it, but if they start retconning old characters into being gay for the hell of it, then I'll get mad. There has been nothing ingame to indicate that Garrus or Kaidan were ever gay, so I don't want it suddenly popping up with them going: "I want you now Sheploo!"

They did it with Anders in DA2, and made him a whiny bitch about it to boot.

What they did to Anders will be remembered....
OP: As long as they don't retcon established sexualities and hire different writers for the same character (*cough*Anders*cough*) I'm okay with with it. Anders does not set a good precedent, though.

finally. my femshep tired to bone literaly every female crewmember on the SR2. and none of them where bi. seriously? in the 23rd centuary?

The way it was done in Dragon Age 2 was moronic. I think at the beginning of the game you should select your character's sexuality. I didn't want Anders to fall for Hawke. That was bullshit. I don't even know how it happened. I just talked to the guy and suddenly he thought Hawke was gay. And I don't want the same to happen in Mass Effect 3. I played both games with Shepard as a straight male and I should be able to do that in ME3 without the fear that I will somehow make Shepard gay. It would ruin the immersion completely. And besides, didn't Bioware say that they made Shepard a straight character? And now they want to please everyone by adding same sex romance? That's the problem with Bioware. They want to please everyone, but they have no idea how to do it. And in the end the result is horrifying for everyone. As for characters you're able to romance. They should have a defined sexuality. And it should be obvious to the player. There should be some kind of stat somewhere saying that the character is straight, gay or bisexual. Actually, fuck bisexuality in video games. That's just lazy. Characters should have a definite personality, including sexuality. And bisexuality in video games means the characters aren't developed properly and it puts too much focus on a completely trivial romance option.

Feels a little late in the game for the entire crew of the Normandy to discover their bisexuality, but better late than never I suppose. As long as they don't pull an Anders on everyone's personality.

I have nothing against them adding same sex relationships, but turning everyone bi isn't particularily realistic, now is it? In a universe full of sentient beings, Sheperd managed to put together an all-bi crew? Seems about as likely as Futurama being historically accurate. Actually, no, him accidentally assembling an all-bi crew is slightly more likely than that, but still.

Adam Jensen:
The way it was done in Dragon Age 2 was moronic. I think at the beginning of the game you should select your character's sexuality. I didn't want Anders to fall for Hawke. That was bullshit. I don't even know how it happened. I just talked to the guy and suddenly he thought Hawke was gay. And I don't want the same to happen in Mass Effect 3. I played both games with Shepard as a straight male and I should be able to do that in ME3 without the fear that I will somehow make Shepard gay. It would ruin the immersion completely. And besides, didn't Bioware said that they made Shepard a straight character? And now they want to please everyone by adding same sex romance? That's the problem with Bioware. They want to please everyone, but they have no idea how to do it. And in the end the result is horrifying for everyone.

I hated how BioWare automatically made Female Shepard a bisexual, without allowing players to choose the sexual prefrence for themselves. Like you said, it hurts the immersion, not just that, it doesn't make the players feel like they're totally in control of Shepard.

I just hope same sex romances in ME3 isn't executed in a contrived manner.

Given there's basically been no new information about the game in the past few months, I'm opting to just wait and see what how they execute this in game. Even if I am slightly worried about Bioware's mentality after they proposed that god-awful re-designing of Liara. Still, wait and see.

OmniscientOstrich:
Given there's basically been no new information about the game in the past few months, I'm opting to just wait and see what how they execute this in game. Even if I am slightly worried about Bioware's mentality after they proposed that god-awful re-designing of Liara. Still, wait and see.

About that statue, we're not sure if they're redesigning Liara that way in the actual game. Especially when the contained the same look (Though her face is changed to match with ME1 Liara than LOTSB Liara) in the gameplay footage they've shown.

Soviet Heavy:
I'm not against it, but if they start retconning old characters into being gay for the hell of it, then I'll get mad. There has been nothing ingame to indicate that Garrus or Kaidan were ever gay, so I don't want it suddenly popping up with them going: "I want you now Sheploo!"

Except that Garrus is voiced by the same guy as Carth Onasi, and that MERE VOICE screams bottom bitch!

Gods I hate Carth.

Shinobi720:
About that statue, we're not sure if they're redesigning Liara that way in the actual game.

No, but the impression I got was that they were pitching at as a possible new design to the fans, who justly rebuked it. I'm merely showing concern that some people at Bioware thought that this was actually an idea worth putting beyond the drawing board. They should know better. But anyway, like I said anything at this stage we can discuss is purely speculatory, so I'm going to wait out in my bunker until some acutal news surfaces on this thing.

I'm having a related discussion elsewhere on this forum

so I'll try to be brief:

I approve of more content of this type as long as it feels natural, doesn't involve stupid minigames and is part of the everyday lifeblood of the game, not just some boring immature sidequest with cutscene thing. Although I would welcome a lot more straight sex options too.

I hate repeating myself on a forum so my suggestions how things should look like can be seen here http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/9.316099.12847799 right after the bold Imagine this: part

JPArbiter:

Soviet Heavy:
I'm not against it, but if they start retconning old characters into being gay for the hell of it, then I'll get mad. There has been nothing ingame to indicate that Garrus or Kaidan were ever gay, so I don't want it suddenly popping up with them going: "I want you now Sheploo!"

Except that Garrus is voiced by the same guy as Carth Onasi, and that MERE VOICE screams bottom bitch!

Gods I hate Carth.

No, Kaidan was voiced by the same voice actor for Carth (Raphael Sbarge). Garrus was voiced by Brandon Keener.

"Wait you have three kids and have been married for thirty years, and now you're telling me you're gay?! What a smoke-screen!"

Why is guys using femshep to romance Liara because "lesbians are hawt" a concern of yours? Why does it annoy you? Does Mass effect possess some multi-player feature I'm unaware of that lets said guys have "hawt lesbo makeouts" on your Normandy's Bridge?

My point is; people give juvenile, fanservice and "hawtness" a bad rap, particularly in a context like this. How someone else enjoys Mass Effect has no bearing on how you enjoy Mass Effect. You're no better than those idiots who are offended that there are same-sex relationships included at all.

Don't tell other people want they need or what they should want. Just enjoy the game for what you get out of it. Don't judge it on what someone else may or may not get out of it.

And now I'm going to go play Mass Effect 2 with as many nude mods as I can find. But don't worry, this doesn't mean all the girls in your copy of Mass Effect will be prancing around naked.

*grumbles* Stupid double posting.

It seems like a pretty safe marketing decision. I'd say a reasonable amount of the ga(y)mers who have been on the fence about the mass effect series would be pushed over the edge if their fanfics came to life in the game itself with professional dialogue done by the real voice actors, if not unique animations.

That being said, I only approve if the romances feel natural. For example Kaidan saying, "Hey [manshep]. I never mentioned it in the years we've been working together, but you have the finest ass in the fleet. Also, I'm a big fan of penis. So how 'bout them reapers coming to kill all humans, huh?" is a bit out of left field for me.

OmniscientOstrich:

Shinobi720:
About that statue, we're not sure if they're redesigning Liara that way in the actual game.

No, but the impression I got was that they were pitching at as a possible new design to the fans, who justly rebuked it. I'm merely showing concern that some people at Bioware thought that this was actually an idea worth putting beyond the drawing board. They should know better. But anyway, like I said anything at this stage we can discuss is purely speculatory, so I'm going to wait out in my bunker until some acutal news surfaces on this thing.

I deeply feel for your concerns, I hated that statue just as much as you and I'm worried how BioWare are going to portray women in ME3. I agree that it is sad that they're crowdsourcing, when they should've realized how utterly ridiculous it looked from the start. I'm just glad that the statue was panned by fans across the border.

Shinobi720:
I deeply feel for your concerns, I hated that statue just as much as you and I'm worried how BioWare are going to portray women in ME3. I agree that it is sad that they're crowdsourcing, when they should've realized how utterly ridiculous it looked from the start. I'm just glad that the statue was panned by fans across the border.

Agreed, though whilst it was a disconcerting moment, I trust Bioware enough to pull off something great with ME3, at least until I see some more info on the game.

If its an optional thing, then why not, im sure its not the first game to do it.

Techmech:
Why is guys using femshep to romance Liara because "lesbians are hawt" a concern of yours? Why does it annoy you? Does Mass effect possess some multi-player feature I'm unaware of that lets said guys have "hawt lesbo makeouts" on your Normandy's Bridge?

My point is; people give juvenile, fanservice and "hawtness" a bad rap, particularly in a context like this. How someone else enjoys Mass Effect has no bearing on how you enjoy Mass Effect. You're no better than those idiots who are offended that there are same-sex relationships included at all.

Don't tell other people want they need or what they should want. Just enjoy the game for what you get out of it. Don't judge it on what someone else may or may not get out of it.

And now I'm going to go play Mass Effect 2 with as many nude mods as I can find. But don't worry, this doesn't mean all the girls in your copy of Mass Effect will be prancing around naked.

I don't mind "hawt girl on girl" if it's in something like, let's say, porn or a video game in the vein of Duke Nukem. I just find it to be immature in a game that deals with relatively mature themes like Mass Effect. It's not the most philosophically thought-provoking game ever made, that rivals with high-brow artistic titles like Shadows of Colossus and Planescape Torment. It's still a game that tries to push the envelope for how games are able to tell a story, as it deals with themes like alien racism, human aggression, and failed diplomacy. Hell, some of the events in the ME series reflect real-life events in human history and even issues we're dealing with in the present.

When something like blatantly cheap fan-pandering like that sort of diminishes the story and the romances from being taken seriously. It's obvious that Liara's romance in ME1 and the Asari race themselves are pretty much fanservice themselves, to appease adolescent males and instead creating something that be intellectually or emotionally engaging. Allowing the developers to include crap like prevents the series from growing. While it didn't ruin the game, but gratuitous shots of Miranda's ass and the fact Kelly can strip dance for FemShep too really hurted the game's atmosphere and tone.

I don't mind fanservice, as long if it's handled well and with wit. Otherwise, it's just immature and cheap exploitation to garner an adolescent audience.

Does it matter?

All it does is give you more options for your character, something I'm not going to protest about. I have nothing against gay options, and I highly doubt you would 'accidently turn shep gay.' Seriously, use your brain.

Adam Jensen:
Actually, fuck bisexuality in video games. That's just lazy. Characters should have a definite personality, including sexuality. And bisexuality in video games means the characters aren't developed properly and it puts too much focus on a completely trivial romance option.

Yes, because no-one in real life is ever bisexual.
Never.
Besides, aren't then all romances 'trivial'? None of them are necessary to preceed. All of them are similiar, and all are optional.

Shinobi720:
I hated how BioWare automatically made Female Shepard a bisexual, without allowing players to choose the sexual prefrence for themselves. Like you said, it hurts the immersion, not just that, it doesn't make the players feel like they're totally in control of Shepard.

I just hope same sex romances in ME3 isn't executed in a contrived manner.

...she was only bisexual if you chose for her to be bisexual. You weren't forced to sex up the asari....

it merely had the option.

Shinobi720:

OmniscientOstrich:

Shinobi720:
About that statue, we're not sure if they're redesigning Liara that way in the actual game.

No, but the impression I got was that they were pitching at as a possible new design to the fans, who justly rebuked it. I'm merely showing concern that some people at Bioware thought that this was actually an idea worth putting beyond the drawing board. They should know better. But anyway, like I said anything at this stage we can discuss is purely speculatory, so I'm going to wait out in my bunker until some acutal news surfaces on this thing.

I deeply feel for your concerns, I hated that statue just as much as you and I'm worried how BioWare are going to portray women in ME3. I agree that it is sad that they're crowdsourcing, when they should've realized how utterly ridiculous it looked from the start. I'm just glad that the statue was panned by fans across the border.

The design was by Japanese toy maker Kotobukiya, who interpreted Liara in a bishoujo way - a Japanese term that refers to young and pretty girls. There was never any intention to change how Liara looks in the game, it was more a "will folks by this statue?"

Relationship with a Krogan: 1 sale from me.
Homosexual relationship with a Krogan: 2 sales.

it's disgusting. to be honest, I'd rather watch krogan or turian romance that see that crap. if it were up to me, it would be out of the game in a heartbeat.

JPArbiter:

Soviet Heavy:
I'm not against it, but if they start retconning old characters into being gay for the hell of it, then I'll get mad. There has been nothing ingame to indicate that Garrus or Kaidan were ever gay, so I don't want it suddenly popping up with them going: "I want you now Sheploo!"

Except that Garrus is voiced by the same guy as Carth Onasi, and that MERE VOICE screams bottom bitch!

Gods I hate Carth.

I think you mean Kaiden Alenko Pal, who's practically Carth 2.0

OT: I'm alright with it, just don't drastically change the established characters for it though: I mean DA 2 did that with....mixed results.

Wait, where was it said that most of the crew will be bisexual now? I don't remembering reading anything like this.

GiglameshSoulEater:
Does it matter?

All it does is give you more options for your character, something I'm not going to protest about. I have nothing against gay options, and I highly doubt you would 'accidently turn shep gay.' Seriously, use your brain.

Adam Jensen:
Actually, fuck bisexuality in video games. That's just lazy. Characters should have a definite personality, including sexuality. And bisexuality in video games means the characters aren't developed properly and it puts too much focus on a completely trivial romance option.

Yes, because no-one in real life are ever bisexual.
Never.
Besides, aren;t then all romances 'trivial'? None of them are necessary to preceed. All of them are similiar, and all are optional.

Shinobi720:
I hated how BioWare automatically made Female Shepard a bisexual, without allowing players to choose the sexual prefrence for themselves. Like you said, it hurts the immersion, not just that, it doesn't make the players feel like they're totally in control of Shepard.

I just hope same sex romances in ME3 isn't executed in a contrived manner.

...she was only bisexual if you chose for her to be bisexual. You weren't forced to sex up the asari....

it merely had the option.

It does actually kind of matter, especially character interactions and relationships is one of the most important aspect of the game's story. It would really be inconsistent from writing standpoint, to arbitrarily make the squad mates bi when they never presented. Like I said before, I've nothing against it if there's a natural progression to the romance and if it's tastefully handled.

Yes, it is optional, but it so are the romances in general. It doesn't mean they shouldn't be well-written, especially to those who want to choose the same sex romance options.

Also, don't be a jackass to that other user. He obviously meant that he hates how the character's sexual preferences are automatically bi, not not bisexuality itself. He wants the sexual preferences to be up with the player to choose, instead of the developers.

Also, the Asari race pretty much make Female Shepard automatically bi-sexual. When the consort (A character that I completely loathe) rubs her or hand on Shepard's, there's not option where you can tell her that you're not into other women. I even find it irritating how FemShep smiles when Shiala hits on her and touches her FemShep's arm. You can't even tell Liara, "No offence, but I'm not into other women" either. That heavily implies that Female Shepard is canonically bisexual. It's not just a problem with Mass Effect, but also in other BioWare games. Take DA2 for example, Isabela saying Hawke can come to her place for "company", and Lady Hawke smiles.

As a gay man, here's my two cents.

I think to an extent it could work but overall like multi-player will be a bit of a hindrence rather than actually helpful. I've never really felt that way about any of my characters in mass effect save for one Femshep that I did romance Liara for and kept, save for in two play files because I want to see the actual outcome for it.

As for the guys, I don't honestly know. I do like the fact that since in almost every other bioware game, homosexuality is present and felt it a bit odd not to include it in Mass Effect but I never felt any of my actual male characters feeling that way towards a squad mate except for Garrus but here's the thing. Garrus is a turian so technically I don't think it qualifies as homosexual though he is male. I say this as a species aspect not a gender aspect. Thane is possible but he seems more a "traditional male" in the whole relationship thing.

Garrus I view as the guy that you could just grow that relationship. It doesn't matter if you're male or female, it's just that he's that guy whom no matter what I think you could grow that kind of relationship that you can make that connection with. Kind of like with Tali. There's an endearing quality to him that transcends gender or species and honestly I'm going to romance Garrus as a dude in number 3. Plus I think it was stated in number one by Kaidan that he's not into men despite the fact it was written as him possibly being bi before edits.

Now as for Grunt or Wrex I'm too afraid to even think about.

All in all I feel that it is a cool idea, but will probably fall flat mostly in how the characters have been originally portrayed. Not as gay or straight, but mostly in that you just can't conceive of a relationship with them as a member of the same gender.

Infernai:

JPArbiter:

Soviet Heavy:
I'm not against it, but if they start retconning old characters into being gay for the hell of it, then I'll get mad. There has been nothing ingame to indicate that Garrus or Kaidan were ever gay, so I don't want it suddenly popping up with them going: "I want you now Sheploo!"

Except that Garrus is voiced by the same guy as Carth Onasi, and that MERE VOICE screams bottom bitch!

Gods I hate Carth.

I think you mean Kaiden Alenko Pal, who's practically Carth 2.0

OT: I'm alright with it, just don't drastically change the established characters for it though: I mean DA 2 did that with....mixed results.

Uh, actually, Kaidan is a MUCH different character than Carth's. Even when they have the same voice actor, Kaidan's voice is more low-keys than Carth's.

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