Metal Gear Rising: why the hate?

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I scratch my head at all the rage directed at the new metal gear rising game. Largely because I don't understand it. I have played a large chunk of the Metal Gear games, and this newest one looks great. People are pissing and moaning that the game isn't 'like the other metal gear solid games'. Well...yeah. You're entirely right.

That's because it's NOT a Metal Gear SOLID game. It's Metal Gear RISING. Kind of like a side-story. Secondly, the cyborg ninja has always fought like this. Very much bombastic and in-your-face outrageous. Let's not forget Grey Fox's intro in MGS. He appears in sprays of blood, carrying a dead guy on his sword, and it only went up from there. The ninja's only 'stealth' was a cloaking generator.

So...someone please explain to me why everyone is up in arms over this. Are their complaints legitimate, or is this just a case of gamers being contrary because something is being changed?

chinangel:
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Metal gear 1 and 2 weren't solid games either but you didn't see your guy throwing bipedal tanks up the air like he didn't care! I am concerned about challenge, in the trailer he throws a ray up into the air and shreds it, how can anything be a challenge to that guy?

I haven't played any handheld MGS games but I am pretty sure all of them are stealth games. To me it's like if DMC or bayonetta turned into a stealth game or even better, command and conquer went into FPS ... yeah! I said it, it had to be said and I said it!

Because some people don't understand what a 'spin off' is.

I think what people are pissed off about is that the game is vastly different to what was shown a year or so ago. It was suppose to be a fast-paced stealth game where you zipped around and cut people in half.

Now it's a button-mashing hack 'n' slash game, a genre I could never really get into. Very disappointing.

Because when it was first announced it was supposed to be part of the actual story. Instead they did a complete 180 after a year with no news and decided to remove any element that made it a metal gear game people love and made it into what will probably be a generic action game spin-off title. The first trailer was promising even to any of the metal gear fans, that I knew anyway. We weren't horribly thrilled that you were going to be playing as Raiden (I've always liked that snake was more or less just another human) but the promise of stealth and choice between killing or disabling enemies was still there.

That's my reason anyway. Even then I don't think it looks like a bad game but unless something big happens that changes my mind it definitely won't be a game I pay $60-$70 for.

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Damn, I really hoped it wouldn't become this.

Gamers throw fits when they think games aren't named 'properly'.

It was fine when it was called Risen Rising these past 2 years or so. The minute they added Metal Gear, its time to bitch and complain like it's the end of the world. It's not a new phenomenon.

Because some people don't like it!

There, I just saved us all a shitload of time.

Maybe because you play as Raiden?

I'm curious how so many people through it was going to be a stealth game from that trailer. He ran around chopping up several people. It was called Lighting Bolt Action. Could that have not been more obvious? Did you want one hit kills as shown? That doesn't make for a very fun game. It's just a bunch of winey fans who saw a 2 minute trailer and projected their dream game onto it and now have to face reality.

I don't get how people think it will ruin the franchise either. You have MGS5 in development so it's not like this game will affect the main series. Not to mention Kojima even went as far as renaming it to further illustrate it's not part of the main series. Also for those who say it's too unrealistic to fit in the MGS world, go play MGS4 again. Or just look up one of the several youtube videos that get posted showing how ridiculous Raiden is (such as the gekko fight).

The only thing I'm sad about is the fact P* decided to do a different story. I wanted to see how Raiden became a cyborg, and P* may be great at gameplay but story-telling is their weakness.

chinangel:
I scratch my head at all the rage directed at the new metal gear rising game. Largely because I don't understand it. I have played a large chunk of the Metal Gear games, and this newest one looks great. People are pissing and moaning that the game isn't 'like the other metal gear solid games'. Well...yeah. You're entirely right.

That's because it's NOT a Metal Gear SOLID game. It's Metal Gear RISING. Kind of like a side-story. Secondly, the cyborg ninja has always fought like this. Very much bombastic and in-your-face outrageous. Let's not forget Grey Fox's intro in MGS. He appears in sprays of blood, carrying a dead guy on his sword, and it only went up from there. The ninja's only 'stealth' was a cloaking generator.

So...someone please explain to me why everyone is up in arms over this. Are their complaints legitimate, or is this just a case of gamers being contrary because something is being changed?

Baring in mind we have only seen one trailer.

The gameplay just doesn't look very interesting. It looks like a toned down version of say Bayonetta. It looked very slow and dull to be honest. Of course as I said we've only seen one trailer so far so anyone who makes a judgment of the full product needs to sit in a corner and think about what they've done.

I think most people are just annoyed because that footage of him stalking the soldier with a gun on his arm and then slicing him up, and the watermelons etc just looked a lot more interesting.

A lot of the defense seems to depend upon the statement "It's not Metal Gear Solid, but, Metal Gear Rising. Therefore it's completely different."

I think these people forget that Metal Gear Solid: Rising would sound ridiculous.

WorldofHarvis:

chinangel:
I scratch my head at all the rage directed at the new metal gear rising game. Largely because I don't understand it. I have played a large chunk of the Metal Gear games, and this newest one looks great. People are pissing and moaning that the game isn't 'like the other metal gear solid games'. Well...yeah. You're entirely right.

That's because it's NOT a Metal Gear SOLID game. It's Metal Gear RISING. Kind of like a side-story. Secondly, the cyborg ninja has always fought like this. Very much bombastic and in-your-face outrageous. Let's not forget Grey Fox's intro in MGS. He appears in sprays of blood, carrying a dead guy on his sword, and it only went up from there. The ninja's only 'stealth' was a cloaking generator.

So...someone please explain to me why everyone is up in arms over this. Are their complaints legitimate, or is this just a case of gamers being contrary because something is being changed?

Baring in mind we have only seen one trailer.

The gameplay just doesn't look very interesting. It looks like a toned down version of say Bayonetta. It looked very slow and dull to be honest. Of course as I said we've only seen one trailer so far so anyone who makes a judgment of the full product needs to sit in a corner and think about what they've done.

I think most people are just annoyed because that footage of him stalking the soldier with a gun on his arm and then slicing him up, and the watermelons etc just looked a lot more interesting.

Considering Platinum is doing the gameplay, this isn't surprising.

I did not like MGS 1, 2, 3, or 4's gameplay. I don't like shooters, and I barely like stealth. Story was fun though. This looks more up my alley, and at least they admit it has nothing to do with established main characters, and might as well be in another universe, rather than the director making a self-insert main over the established one...

*cough* Devil May Cry *cough

The Lunatic:
A lot of the defense seems to depend upon the statement "It's not Metal Gear Solid, but, Metal Gear Rising. Therefore it's completely different."

I think these people forget that Metal Gear Solid: Rising would sound ridiculous.

and revengeance doesn't? :P I really don't think this has a lot to do with t he main story of MGS, so I think metal gear rising is a good name, personally.

omega 616:

chinangel:
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Metal gear 1 and 2 weren't solid games either but you didn't see your guy throwing bipedal tanks up the air like he didn't care! I am concerned about challenge, in the trailer he throws a ray up into the air and shreds it, how can anything be a challenge to that guy?

I haven't played any handheld MGS games but I am pretty sure all of them are stealth games. To me it's like if DMC or bayonetta turned into a stealth game or even better, command and conquer went into FPS ... yeah! I said it, it had to be said and I said it!

Yes, you haven't played any portable MGS.
Three words for you:
Metal Gear Acid.

Metal Gear is a good franchise and I don't see a problem with it branching out into other genres so long as it's still a good game. Kinda like how Halo branched out into RTS's with Halo Wars. Regardless whether anyone think's it a good game or not it was a way for a franchise to take a step into other genres so fans could either ask for more if it's good or just give it a pass and only stick to the more traditional stuff if it's not.

I think it's because of the shift from the planned "play-as-a-stealthy-cyborg-ninja-guy-who-also-has-a-sweet-katana-and-can-cut-enemies-and-scenery-realistically" to "Devil May Cry in a Metal Gear surroundings".

I may be wrong, since I never played a Metal Gear game.

I like it too. I never had a reason to hate raiden, so i dont mind him beeing the protagonist. He does look like someone broke a few microwaves and taped them back together, but thats how stuff looks in the future right?

Also its made by platinum games and even though i prefer them to make original games and not spinoffs of other franchises, i guess they couldve done worse than metal gear.

on a side note: other mgs spinoffs were nice as well. i got all of the psp mgs games and not even one is a bad game.

Franchise milking does suck though. I guess thats out of question, it just doesnt necessarily produce bad games.

Metal Gear Rising is no longer going to be on the PC so I have the right to hate....Oh wait, this is a fan issue.

Sober Thal:
Gamers throw fits when they think games aren't named 'properly'.

It was fine when it was called Risen these past 2 years or so. The minute they added Metal Gear, its time to bitch and complain like it's the end of the world. It's not a new phenomenon.

When was it called Risen? Risen is a completely different game...

Stupid name, Raiden - what's not to hate? :)

I think it's just because nobody really likes Raiden. Like, at all. And I don't get that, I like Raiden. I actually prefer him to Snake, a statement that has earned me hatred up to and including death threats from hardcore Metal Gear fans.

Because it's incredibly over the top and just generally completely absurd.

Which I personally approve of, mind you, but I can see how it would bother some people. Honestly, this looks more over the top than DMC, if anything, like some sort of Metal Gear version of Asura's Wrath.

Okay, maybe not quite that silly.

I have no idea, Platinum have nothing if not a great record. I for one am patiently awaiting this game.

It has nothing to do with Raiden, or how it's not a stealth game. I doubt it was really going to be stealth originally anyway (although if you watch the documentary Konami has released, the problem was they actually wanted it to be both stealth and action).

It's the feel... If you watch the original trailer, then the new one, you'll get what I mean. PlatinumGames does action in a much different way than the Kojima team, and it just shows. From big changes (Ray thrown into the air, "IT'S TIME FOR JACK TO LET EM RIP!!!"), to not so big ones (notice how in the first trailer it took one cut to kill a soldier, while in the new one Raiden just wails on them till he gets super mode and cuts then to ribbons).

I'll probably still be playing it, it's going to be a great game. Just not Metal Gear I think.

Galite:
Because when it was first announced it was supposed to be part of the actual story. Instead they did a complete 180 after a year with no news and decided to remove any element that made it a metal gear game people love and made it into what will probably be a generic action game spin-off title. The first trailer was promising even to any of the metal gear fans, that I knew anyway. We weren't horribly thrilled that you were going to be playing as Raiden (I've always liked that snake was more or less just another human) but the promise of stealth and choice between killing or disabling enemies was still there.

That's my reason anyway. Even then I don't think it looks like a bad game but unless something big happens that changes my mind it definitely won't be a game I pay $60-$70 for.

Basically, this. People were expecting another MGS game, but got DMC with Raiden pasted in without much warning.

Because its such a drastic departure from the main series and was initially pitched and shown as a semi steath game where you had sword instead of a gun and would have to make use of movement to remain stealthy, on top of pretty drastic story changes ie taking place after 4 instead of between 2-4. Is it really that hard to imagine that most fans of the series aren't looking forward to what when initially announced was supposed to be a stealth sword game has become a hack and slash with some pretty major changes. It's just not what the majority of fans expected or even want.

It annoys me because if it's considered canon then there's no point what so ever in having any other character ever.

If Raiden is capable of slicing up hundreds of metal gears on his own without breaking a sweat then that's it, game over. Raiden rules the world because nothing can kill him and the whole metal gear universe just goes to pot.

Why call in snake when you can just get Raiden to obliterate everything?

People are mad because they dont seem to know what the term "Spin Off" means.

Chairman Miaow:

Sober Thal:
Gamers throw fits when they think games aren't named 'properly'.

It was fine when it was called Risen these past 2 years or so. The minute they added Metal Gear, its time to bitch and complain like it's the end of the world. It's not a new phenomenon.

When was it called Risen? Risen is a completely different game...

Doh!

I uhm, er... yeah. Rising, not Risen.

EDIT: To anyone saying 'this isn't what the game was supposed to be like', can you link what story made you think so? It's always been a hack and slash from what I've heard.

Galite:
Because when it was first announced it was supposed to be part of the actual story. Instead they did a complete 180 after a year with no news and decided to remove any element that made it a metal gear game people love and made it into what will probably be a generic action game spin-off title. The first trailer was promising even to any of the metal gear fans, that I knew anyway. We weren't horribly thrilled that you were going to be playing as Raiden (I've always liked that snake was more or less just another human) but the promise of stealth and choice between killing or disabling enemies was still there.

That's my reason anyway. Even then I don't think it looks like a bad game but unless something big happens that changes my mind it definitely won't be a game I pay $60-$70 for.

You're aware that Kojima had actually cancelled MGS:Rising yes? That's why there was no news for a year. After they had the initial concept and the idea for the stages/environments they realised that they wouldn't be able to make it work as effectively as they had imagined. So rather than say any of this, they just swept it under the rug and hoped that nobody would ask questions about it.

The reason it did a complete 180 is because Platinum said "Yeah...we can make it work" and make it work they did. I find it funny that people are complaining about it saying that this isn't what Rising should be like despite the fact that aside from the trailer from over a year ago there is no other way it had been done.

People are bitching and moaning and crying "RUINED FOREVER!!!" without realising that if Platinum Games hadn't come along, the game wouldn't exist at all.

Sober Thal:

Chairman Miaow:

Sober Thal:
Gamers throw fits when they think games aren't named 'properly'.

It was fine when it was called Risen these past 2 years or so. The minute they added Metal Gear, its time to bitch and complain like it's the end of the world. It's not a new phenomenon.

When was it called Risen? Risen is a completely different game...

Doh!

I uhm, er... yeah. Rising, not Risen.

EDIT: To anyone saying 'this isn't what the game was supposed to be like', can you link what story made you think so? It's always been a hack and slash from what I've heard.

I was a bit confused there, glad that's cleared up. I also thought it was just going to be a hack and slash. I mean, you're a robot ninja. The first trailer I remember seeing involved tearing out a robo-spine. What do you expect?

Doesn't matter if it's 'different than what was once shown', as that game was about to be scrapped entirely. Platinum Games volunteered to take up the project, and Kojima asked that they meet two conditions: Raiden moves fast at a steady 60 FPS and that the controls are buttery smooth.

mad825:
Metal Gear Rising is no longer going to be on the PC so I have the right to hate....Oh wait, this is a fan issue.

I'm mainly a PC gamer who loves games all around and hate seeing this attitude among PC gamers. Quit making us out to be a bunch of condescending pricks.

Also, does anybody else think that the Rival Cyborg looked like Shunsui from Bleach?

Never cared much for the Metal Gear series, but Platinum knows how to make a good hack-&-slash game, so I think I will check this out.

I'd imagine they're pissed because the game's been completely changed from what it was announced as.

Not to mention that atrocious fucking subtitle. I find that insulting, and you couldn't pay me to play MGS.

'Revengeance'. *shudder*

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