Official Zelda timeline?

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Nintendo's new Legend of Zelda book titled Hyrule Historia has revealed The Legend of Zelda timeline that fans have been struggling to comprehend for years. Kotaku and the Official Nintendo Magazine are confident that this is the official timeline, but Nintendo may decide to say that this isn't the super secret timeline that they've been guarding for all these years. What do you think?

Main Timeline
1. Skyward Sword
2. Minish Cap
3. Four Swords
4. Ocarina Of Time

Split 1: Link defeats Ganon - childhood branch
a) Majora's Mask
b) Twilight Princess
c) Four Swords Adventures

Split 2: Link defeats Ganon - adult branch
a) Wind Waker
b) Phantom Hourglass
c) Spirit Tracks

Split 3: Link fails in Ocarina Of Time
a) A Link To The Past
b) Oracles
c) Link's Awakening
d) The Legend Of Zelda
e) The Legend Of Zelda II

(source)

I was reading MyNintendoNews and found this interesting article.
Now that I've read it, this actually makes sense and almost everything fits perfectly.

Also, the split 3 made me happy and sad at the same time. It explained the plot holes between all the titles, but it also means that Ganondorf wins.

What do you guys think?

I was almost certain that there was a two way split at ocarina of time, with Adult link, and child Link, but this has proven everyone wrong, and everyone who didn't think there was a timeline to begin with.

I think this leads to more questions than answers. For example, when does Link die? does he die in the bad future when saving Zelda, or the good past before he goes into the spirit realm. How does this impact the future, and set the events of link to the past in motion. It's all rather confusing.

personally i would swap split 2 and 3. In my opinion that would make more sense.

Personally i think nintendo doesn't have an official timeline and is just screwing around with everyone.

Jazoni89:
I was almost certain that there was a two way split at ocarina of time, with Adult link, and child Link, but this has proven everyone wrong, and everyone who didn't think there was a timeline to begin with.

I think this leads to more questions than answers. For example, when does Link die? does he die in the bad future when saving Zelda, or the good past before he goes into the spirit realm. How does this impact the future, and set the events of link to the past in motion. It's all rather confusing.

I think that split 3 doesn't mean Link dies.
It means that he failed for whatever reason (didn't even try, didn't manage to solve a puzzle but didn't die, wasn't the real hero of time...)
IMO, it's more like a "What if" time line than a "Did happen" timeline.

So if you die in OoT, A Link To The Past happens?

A Link To The Past is my favourite game, and it has a happy ending, so I like it at the end of the timeline, as like the final defeat of Ganon, but hmm.

How can there be a separate timeline for failing in Ocarina of Time? The whole point of seperate timelines was that there was an adult world and a child world in that game. When did a failure world come in to play?

Afterthought: Wait...was the failure world the one that you played in as a child, and the child world the one that is created when you beat the game and Zelda sends you back in time? I mean, you never defeat Ganondorf in the child world. He sets his plan into motion, forcing you to go foreward in time until you're old enough to defeat him. After which Zelda sends you further back than you should be if you were just going to the child world, creating a new timeline.

Afterthought 2: Kinda surprised that Link's Awakening isn't in the same arch as Windwaker.

This short film summed it up nicely for me, although doesn't include Skyward Sword:

and a link straight to the start of the "explanation" as there are a couple of minutes before that starts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHCbp5LTgbU&feature=player_detailpage#t=114s

I'm disappointed in Nintendo for revealing an "official" timeline. Now their just ruining the fun of internet arguments. Then again, how many nerds will refuse to believe it because they're too arrogant to admit that they're wrong? Still, all in all, this saddens me.

I'm disappointed in Nintendo for revealing an "official" timeline. Now their just ruining the fun of internet arguments. Then again, how many nerds will refuse to believe it because they're too arrogant to admit that they're wrong? Still, all in all, this saddens me.

So, let me get this straight... This is just a bunch of guys SPECULATING about what a timeline might be?
Unless this has Shigeru Miyamoto's seal of aproval, then there's nothing Official about it.

The only games that can be put into a 'timeline' are the games which are direct sequels: Zelda-> Zelda 2; OoT -> Majora's Mask; Wind Waker -> Phantom Hourglass.

Then again, why the hell would we even need a timeline in the first place? The Star Wars movies have a definitive timeline 1-2-3-4-5-6, but is that the order you watch them in? No. You watch 4-5-6-4-5-6. If you have access to all Zelda games and need an order to play them in, do it in the order they were made.

madwarper:
So, let me get this straight... This is just a bunch of guys SPECULATING about what a timeline might be?
Unless this has Shigeru Miyamoto's seal of aproval, then there's nothing Official about it.

The only games that can be put into a 'timeline' are the games which are direct sequels: Zelda-> Zelda 2; OoT -> Majora's Mask; Wind Waker -> Phantom Hourglass.

Then again, why the hell would we even need a timeline in the first place? The Star Wars movies have a definitive timeline 1-2-3-4-5-6, but is that the order you watch them in? No. You watch 4-5-6-4-5-6. If you have access to all Zelda games and need an order to play them in, do it in the order they were made.

It's not speculation, it's interpretation of a document nintendo themselves made.

madwarper:
The Star Wars movies have a definitive timeline 1-2-3-4-5-6, but is that the order you watch them in? No. You watch 4-5-6-4-5-6.

That made my day.

Matthew94:

madwarper:
So, let me get this straight... This is just a bunch of guys SPECULATING about what a timeline might be?
Unless this has Shigeru Miyamoto's seal of aproval, then there's nothing Official about it.

The only games that can be put into a 'timeline' are the games which are direct sequels: Zelda-> Zelda 2; OoT -> Majora's Mask; Wind Waker -> Phantom Hourglass.

Then again, why the hell would we even need a timeline in the first place? The Star Wars movies have a definitive timeline 1-2-3-4-5-6, but is that the order you watch them in? No. You watch 4-5-6-4-5-6. If you have access to all Zelda games and need an order to play them in, do it in the order they were made.

It's not speculation, it's interpretation of a document nintendo themselves made.

Highlights by me.

We have their interpretation... Which IS speculation, as long as it's coming from anyone's mouth other than Shigeru Miyamoto.

gigastrike:
How can there be a separate timeline for failing in Ocarina of Time? The whole point of seperate timelines was that there was an adult world and a child world in that game. When did a failure world come in to play?

Afterthought: Wait...was the failure world the one that you played in as a child, and the child world the one that is created when you beat the game and Zelda sends you back in time? I mean, you never defeat Ganondorf in the child world. He sets his plan into motion, forcing you to go foreward in time until you're old enough to defeat him. After which Zelda sends you further back than you should be if you were just going to the child world, creating a new timeline.

Afterthought 2: Kinda surprised that Link's Awakening isn't in the same arch as Windwaker.

Remember that in Link to the Past, Ganon succeeded in entering the sacred realm and corrupted it into the Dark World, the seven sages then locked him away in the dark world to protect hyrule. So, it makes sense that Link failing in Ocarina of Time would be when Ganon got into the sacred realm and corrupted it.

As for the Child Link storyline, as a child, Link gets proof of Ganondorf's treachery and pre-empts Ganon's plan in the first place, then takes the ocarina with him out of Hyrule so Ganon can never enter the sacred realm where the triforce is hidden.

galdon2004:
As for the Child Link storyline, as a child, Link gets proof of Ganondorf's treachery and pre-empts Ganon's plan in the first place, then takes the ocarina with him out of Hyrule so Ganon can never enter the sacred realm where the triforce is hidden.

1:So yeah, the whole child part of the game.

2: Well, Zelda sends him back in time with knowledge of what Ganondorf is planning to do, and then Ganondorf is sealed away in the Twlight Realm. Link then leaves Hyrule to find Navi (who somehow got lost). I don't think the ocarina has any part in this.

Well I still maintain that there isn't a timeline which Nintendo had actually officially stated at one point. Now I just wish they'd stop contradicting themselves.

madwarper:

Matthew94:

madwarper:
SNIP

It's not speculation, it's interpretation of a document nintendo themselves made.

Highlights by me.

We have their interpretation... Which IS speculation, as long as it's coming from anyone's mouth other than Shigeru Miyamoto.

It technically is speculating, but it does have some credibility.
After all, it's all from a book that Nintendo released. There isn't much to interpret wrong.

I am currently looking at this as the real timeline until Miyamoto denies it.

BiH-Kira:
I am currently looking at this as the real timeline until Miyamoto denies it.

But, that doesn't answer the question of why we even need a timeline in the first place.
Does having a timeline affect the gaming experience of any individual LoZ game? Does is make any LoZ game better than another?

And so, I'm going to look at this list as mere speculation, and the concept of a timeline as meh, until Miyamoto says what is and isn't canon of the universe he created.

Ok, the difference is, in the successful version; Ganon is defeated and trapped in the 'void of the Evil realm' and has no power there. When link fails, Ganon uses the triforce to turn the sacred realm into the dark world and pretty much rules it but can't get back to Hyrule.

As for the Ocarina; Link took the Ocarina with him when he left to find Navi. So, even if Ganon escapes the evil realm, he can't get into the sacred realm.

If there is a split where link fails in OOT, does that mean more splits will occur if Link fails in the other games? I'd hope not. Damn things confusing enough as it is. Though that third spilt makes me wonder about the validity of this.

Tallim:

Those dern Ninjas, always beating me to the punch.

Anyway, I will always have a hard time understanding the Zelda timeline. Not even the creators could explain it well enough for me to understand.

I like the timeline, especially split 3, since there are so many ways to interpret what it means by Link fails. It could be that he dies, never acts, refuses to help Zelda, gets trapped in the Temple of Time, fights Ganon to a point where neither of them can best the other, or even Link joins Ganon. There are so many ways that could be the way Link fails causing that line.

Tallim:

I hate them for insulting Link's Awakening.

Other than that, it was kinda..... confusing... really... somewhat funny... but mostly confusing.

Tallim:

This just made my night.

madwarper:

BiH-Kira:
I am currently looking at this as the real timeline until Miyamoto denies it.

But, that doesn't answer the question of why we even need a timeline in the first place.
Does having a timeline affect the gaming experience of any individual LoZ game? Does is make any LoZ game better than another?

And so, I'm going to look at this list as mere speculation, and the concept of a timeline as meh, until Miyamoto says what is and isn't canon of the universe he created.

Looks like we misunderstood each other.
You are completely right. We/I don't need a timeline at all to enjoy Zelda games. I love them.

But all that thinking about a timeline if one exists is just additional excitement while waiting for the next game. ^^

I just find all the different theories interesting and since everyone has to have an opinion, I think that this one sounds like the most possible one.

One theory said that Majora's Mask actually never happened and that it's all just in Link's head. After Link won against Ganon, he lost Navi. He entered the lost wood to search for her. But as we all know, someone who doesn't have a fairy turns into a Skull Kid if he enters the Lost Woods.

Whole Majora's Mask was just in Links head while turning into a Skull Kid. That's why it's so dark. It also said that the skeleton who teaches you the techniques in Twilight Princess is that Link. The skeleton said he was also a Hero of time. The shield he has looks like the mirror shield in Majora's Mask and if I remember correctly (I'm not 100% sure) you can hear Saria's theme in the background. He is some sort of a skull Kid (I know, far-fetched...).

I know that this theory is probably wrong, but it just amazes me to read all the possibilities that the series brings with its self. Every possible timeline gives us another angle to the series.

To be honest, I hope Miyamoto never reveals the real timeline. The mystery behind it allows for many different and great fan made timelines. Once he reveals the official one, everything will stop being a mystery. It will just be another timeline.
That's why I wrote "until he denies it" in my previous post. I hope he denies it, but doesn't reveal the real one.

Bullshit.

I call such massive bullshit. And I don't even give a damn about any "official" timeline.

It's just... this is, quite literally, impossible.

The Link in Four Swords Adventures is the same Link in the original Four Swords. It's basically outright stated, if I remember correctly. And from what I've seen, that's what most people say.

So yeah. Bullshit. If you could find a more official source for this, as well as a source that such a book exists? I'll be looking for one myself, but I figured if two people search, we can put the nail on the coffin sooner rather than later.

EDIT:

Not to mention that the Link in Link's Awakening is supposed to be the same one from A Link to the Past. Seriously, who came up with this crap? At the end of ALttP, Link has the Triforce and wishes that the Master Sword is put to rest... forever. You can get the Master Sword in either of the Oracles games (depending on which you play first). What, is that a non-canonical item in the game, or did Link just go "oh, wait, nevermind"?

ZeroMachine:
So yeah. Bullshit. If you could find a more official source for this, as well as a source that such a book exists? I'll be looking for one myself, but I figured if two people search, we can put the nail on the coffin sooner rather than later.

Here is the source that such book exists.
http://mynintendonews.com/2011/12/15/nintendo-is-releasing-a-gorgeous-zelda-art-book/
http://kotaku.com/5868322/nintendo-releasing-a-lovely-zelda-art-book/gallery/1

Quoting the site

So far only Japanese language and release details are known, the book due out on Dec. 21 and priced at 3255 (USD$41).

BiH-Kira:

Nintendo's new Legend of Zelda book titled Hyrule Historia has revealed The Legend of Zelda timeline that fans have been struggling to comprehend for years. Kotaku and the Official Nintendo Magazine are confident that this is the official timeline, but Nintendo may decide to say that this isn't the super secret timeline that they've been guarding for all these years. What do you think?

Main Timeline
1. Skyward Sword
2. Minish Cap
3. Four Swords
4. Ocarina Of Time

Split 1: Link defeats Ganon - childhood branch
a) Majora's Mask
b) Twilight Princess
c) Four Swords Adventures

Split 2: Link defeats Ganon - adult branch
a) Wind Waker
b) Phantom Hourglass
c) Spirit Tracks

Split 3: Link fails in Ocarina Of Time
a) A Link To The Past
b) Oracles
c) Link's Awakening
d) The Legend Of Zelda
e) The Legend Of Zelda II

(source)

I was reading MyNintendoNews and found this interesting article.
Now that I've read it, this actually makes sense and almost everything fits perfectly.

Also, the split 3 made me happy and sad at the same time. It explained the plot holes between all the titles, but it also means that Ganondorf wins.

What do you guys think?

I know nothing about zelda..but what does the "split" mean? a different dimension? time travel?

BiH-Kira:

ZeroMachine:
So yeah. Bullshit. If you could find a more official source for this, as well as a source that such a book exists? I'll be looking for one myself, but I figured if two people search, we can put the nail on the coffin sooner rather than later.

Here is the source that such book exists.
http://mynintendonews.com/2011/12/15/nintendo-is-releasing-a-gorgeous-zelda-art-book/
http://kotaku.com/5868322/nintendo-releasing-a-lovely-zelda-art-book/gallery/1

Quoting the site

So far only Japanese language and release details are known, the book due out on Dec. 21 and priced at 3255 (USD$41).

Alright, fair enough. But where in it did they get the timeline? Or is it all just guess work on early and sketchy translations?

Not to mention another example of a "series encyclopedia"... the Halo Encyclopedia, from what I've read about it, has TONS of errors in regards to established canon. About three reissues later, it's still filled with mistakes.

So... yeah. I'm going to wait until we have a more official translation before I cave and admit it's official.

... And then I'm going to pleasantly ignore it. Because I don't like it in the slightest bit. I have my own timeline. I always felt like that's what people were supposed to do...

Ok, a couple months ago a friend and I were arguing over the Zelda timeline, but neither of us would have expected this answer.

Vault101:

BiH-Kira:
SNIP

I know nothing about zelda..but what does the "split" mean? a different dimension? time travel?

The Legend of Zelda - Ocarina of Time involved time traveling.
One the young Link got the Master Sword, one of the 7 wise sealed his soul and body for 7 years so that he will be able to wield the sword.

You win the game as the adult Link.
Now at the end of the game Zelda sends you back in time to relive those lost 7 years. That is where the spited time lines appear.

The first one is where Link goes back in time, knowing the truth about Ganondorf's intentions and prevents his plan from happening.

The second one is with the adult Link. I'm not really sure my self, but it has something to do with a time traveling paradox. The adult Link who had to kill Ganandord wasn't there because Zelda sent him back in time. Link didn't exist in that timeline. So when Ganondorf conquered Hyrule, the Goddesses flooded it to prevent the evil from spreading. That's why the next game in that timeline (Wind Waker) is on small islands and a vast ocean.

The third split is one that I've read for the first time on the article I linked.
It's a timeline where Link actually failed. I don't really know what they mean by fail. There are several options. Link, died, he didn't even try, he tried but couldn't solve some puzzle, the Temple of Time didn't grant him entrance to the Master Sword... I don't know. He simply failed and Ganondorf wins.

@zerobudgetgamer
I love how he was stabbed by the Master Sword.

So wait, Link can fail in defeating Ganondorf in OOT? I guess that explains why he looks like a pig in the games in the Split 3 list.

I was also confused at first two split lists. But then I remembered Link was sent back to his own time after beating Ganondorf in OOT. So I guess it makes sense that the timeline with Adult Zelda would still exist.

I have yet to play Wind Waker though. So I'm not sure what happened that caused the entire world in that game to be flooded.

Having 3 splits instead of two does clear up a lot of plot contradictions, but "Link fails" is a bit too vague an explanation for the third timeline. I'm going to wait until this book's official English release before I make any judgments.

Also, it's a popular theory that Minish Cap and Four Swords take place before Ocarina of Time, but there's almost no evidence that supports that idea. Again, I'll (maybe) believe it when I see it for myself. As I recall, the "official" Metroid timeline that Nintendo Power published was full of holes, so I regard this with a combination of healthy skepticism and an open mind.

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