DustyDrB:

CM156:

DustyDrB:
Taris. Never. Ends. I have still been following this Let's Play. It's just that I find Taris utterly dull. I admit I rush through it, skipping through most of the dialogue, whenever I replay KotOR. But it picks up after that. Are you gonna do the "arena" part? Remember when every RPG had an obligatory arena section?

That's like the video game equivalent of not knowing who Luke Skywalker is spawned from. How have you managed to keep yourself in the dark on that one?

The answer to your question.PHA+WW91LCB0aGUgcGxheWVyLCBhcmUgUmV2YW4uPC9wPg==

*Sob*

I LEARNED BY WATCHING YOU!

I have no idea how. I've heard conflicting information on it

But wait, I thought Revan was a guy. Our character is a woman. And do we know we're Revan? This confuzzles me!

Spoilers follow...

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I see. I remember that LP of KOTOR II I read, and I thought he was the main character of KOTOR I, but I was confused, because I thought we would have known that by now. Ok. That makes sense.

CM156:

woodaba:
Yeah... this is probably the most controversial thing about the Old Republic era. The Jedi are aloof, arrogant, distanced, and generally are just a metaphor for the UK supreme court

I wonder how that would work in America....

Now I'm thinking of Antonin Scalia as a Jedi...

Now I'm thinking of Antonin Scalia as a Sith. ... The second one works better. You know, lightsaber battles would make SCOTUS cases a lot more interesting.

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Yeah. I can totally see this dude shooting force lightning

"They turned evil. That's just the logical thing to do. These Revan and Malak guys sound pretty smart. Especially Revan."

Ya know, I gotta be honest. I have no freaking clue who Revan really is or how he relates to our character. Care to fill me in?

Question time! What is your least favorite playable character in any RPG? For me, it has to be Edward from Final Fantasy IV. He can't fight worth crap, and yet the game saddles you with him for a huge chunk of the game. Plus, he's a spoony bard.

Bishop. I really, really wanted to stab him with a holy avenger the moment I saw him. Because I could tell he would be trouble

Revan plays a major role in the story later on, but right now, he's really just a footnote.

Oh christ... I forgot about Bishop. The moment I first clicked on him in the goddamn bar, i wanted to stab him. Because someone like that, just doesn't end up being a random insulting NPC. He was trouble, and yet, my Character just said "Duuh...He don't look so bad...."

DustyDrB:
Taris. Never. Ends. I have still been following this Let's Play. It's just that I find Taris utterly dull. I admit I rush through it, skipping through most of the dialogue, whenever I replay KotOR. But it picks up after that. Are you gonna do the "arena" part? Remember when every RPG had an obligatory arena section?

I'm debating whether or not to do the arena, mainly because in a screenshot LP, it just looks boring as hell. To a casual observer, it just looks like the same fight over and over with no story context. I have the screenshots captured, but it will probably end up being a mini-update just before we leave Taris.

woodaba:
Oh christ... I forgot about Bishop. The moment I first clicked on him in the goddamn bar, i wanted to stab him. Because someone like that, just doesn't

It also makes no sense to me why he decided to join me. I was a male, lawful good paladin who had admonished him at every turn. As such, I never used him. And he of course...

Still makes no sense why he gets all the fangirls.

CM156:
Still makes no sense why he gets all the fangirls.

Fangirls....I haven't heard of this penomenon....

(Types Bishop into Deviantart)

woodaba:

CM156:
Still makes no sense why he gets all the fangirls.

Fangirls....I haven't heard of this penomenon....

(Types Bishop into Deviantart)

Roughly my reaction.
As I said, it makes no sense. Then again, Casavir isn't really all that great. He's mostly bland.

Update 11: Do you feel lucky, punk?

Question time! Who is, in your opinion, the most evil bad guy ever? Not the best one, just the most evil one. The one who rips the heads off dead kittens and drinks the blood, but you just can't help but love them for it. For me, there can be only one, and that one is the Kurgan, from Highlander. There's a scene in that movie where he just goes on a rampage through New York with an old woman in tow. Just awesome.

Sorry guys, I accidentally clicked post instead of preview, so there were some mistakes. I've fixed them, so it should be fine now. I apologise for the inconvenience.

Leaving Taris!!!!

Evil guys...
In video games: I loved Jack of Blades from the first Fable game. He's a classic "world domination" type. But he had a cool design and some great voice work behind him. I tend to prefer manipulative villains. I don't know if he's my favorite villain, but he's probably my favorite unsympathetic, totally evil villain.

Out of games (well...technically out of them), it's easy: The Joker. He's the master troll.

Edit:
I meant to say this before. That Duros prisoner? In all the times I've played this game, I think I've saved him only once. And I've also only been evil once in this game. I'm just reeeaaally careless about that puzzle. I don't know why. It's a bit funny, though. I'm like, "Dude, I am sooo gonna get you out of here. We'll have an Old Fashioned each on me. Just let me flick these switches...Oh...wups. You know, man. Taris sucks anyway. You're better off dying a painful death in a Sith prison."

DustyDrB:
Evil guys...
In video games: I loved Jack of Blades from the first Fable game. He's a classic "world domination" type. But he had a cool design and some great voice work behind him. I tend to prefer manipulative villains. I don't know if he's my favorite villain, but he's probably my favorite unsympathetic, totally evil villain.

Out of games (well...technically out of them), it's easy: The Joker. He's the master troll.

Jack of Blades was awesome. His look, his voice, everything just made him one of the coolest villains out there.

I think you might as well put /thread after the joker there.

DustyDrB:

Edit:
I meant to say this before. That Duros prisoner? In all the times I've played this game, I think I've saved him only once. And I've also only been evil once in this game. I'm just reeeaaally careless about that puzzle. I don't know why. It's a bit funny, though. I'm like, "Dude, I am sooo gonna get you out of here. We'll have an Old Fashioned each on me. Just let me flick these switches...Oh...wups. You know, man. Taris sucks anyway. You're better off dying a painful death in a Sith prison."

I had the exact same problem, until i had an epiphany. Human being naturally associate the color green with good, or go, while we see red as bad, or stop. When trying to do this quest we naturally gravitate towards green when we're trying to save the dude, because that's what we see as good. Therefore, we kill him, thinking we're saving him.

At least, that's how I justify it to myself every night as I try to sleep and hear his dying screams that haunt me to this very day. Ahem.

woodaba:

DustyDrB:

Edit:
I meant to say this before. That Duros prisoner? In all the times I've played this game, I think I've saved him only once. And I've also only been evil once in this game. I'm just reeeaaally careless about that puzzle. I don't know why. It's a bit funny, though. I'm like, "Dude, I am sooo gonna get you out of here. We'll have an Old Fashioned each on me. Just let me flick these switches...Oh...wups. You know, man. Taris sucks anyway. You're better off dying a painful death in a Sith prison."

I had the exact same problem, until i had an epiphany. Human being naturally associate the color green with good, or go, while we see red as bad, or stop. When trying to do this quest we naturally gravitate towards green when we're trying to save the dude, because that's what we see as good. Therefore, we kill him, thinking we're saving him.

At least, that's how I justify it to myself every night as I try to sleep and hear his dying screams that haunt me to this very day. Ahem.

Actually, I do remember killing him for that very reason as well. You're absolutely right. Way to toy with my preconceptions, BioWare. Assholes. The fried Duros is on your hands!

woodaba:
"Background checks... oh shit, I better delete my DeviantART page."
"Why?"
"Let's just say having pages and pages of torture porn doesn't make the best first impression."
"That is horrifying."

I think ya'll should do that regardless. (I'm not a huge fan of deviantart or the community there)

"Varen will NEVER make it past the background checks."

Time for the space-port loophole! You can buy anything without a background check! Including deadly-assault Wookies! They have shoulder things that come up, too!

He's also AWESOME. I'm not kidding, for pure evil factor, Malak rivals some of the villains from D&D's forgotten realms, and thats the world where Evil is pretty much a religon.

True dat, drue dat.

Question time! Who is, in your opinion, the most evil bad guy ever? Not the best one, just the most evil one. The one who rips the heads off dead kittens and drinks the blood, but you just can't help but love them for it. For me, there can be only one, and that one is the Kurgan, from Highlander. There's a scene in that movie where he just goes on a rampage through New York with an old woman in tow. Just awesome.

In video games? I rather liked Myrkul. For several reasons. But because I'm not going to talk about MotB as much: I have to say I like Iago the most in any form of media.

CM156:

woodaba:
"Background checks... oh shit, I better delete my DeviantART page."
"Why?"
"Let's just say having pages and pages of torture porn doesn't make the best first impression."
"That is horrifying."

I think ya'll should do that regardless. (I'm not a huge fan of deviantart or the community there)

That's the same with me, only replace "not a huge fan" with "horrified and disgusted at the lows the human race can stoop to". There is some good stuff on there, but you have to wade through so much horrific shit to find it.

woodaba:

CM156:

woodaba:
"Background checks... oh shit, I better delete my DeviantART page."
"Why?"
"Let's just say having pages and pages of torture porn doesn't make the best first impression."
"That is horrifying."

I think ya'll should do that regardless. (I'm not a huge fan of deviantart or the community there)

That's the same with me, only replace "not a huge fan" with "horrified and disgusted at the lows the human race can stoop to". There is some good stuff on there, but you have to wade through so much horrific shit to find it.

Tell me about it, man. There's way too much fetish art there. I wish they'd be at least honest about what they draw. But more often than not, they aren't.

Also, you got the "space-port loophole" joke, right?

CM156:
Also, you got the "space-port loophole" joke, right?

Sorry, man. :( Is it from Spaceballs? That movie gets refrenced every 0.5 seconds on the internet, yet I've never seen it.

woodaba:

CM156:
Also, you got the "space-port loophole" joke, right?

Sorry, man. :( Is it from Spaceballs? That movie gets refrenced every 0.5 seconds on the internet, yet I've never seen it.

It's a reference to the "gun show loophole". In the states, when you buy a gun, you have to go through a background check though the NCIS. If you buy from a Federal Firearms License (FFL) dealer, that is. But if you privately sell a gun at a gun show and you aren't a FFL dealer, you can sell without a background check. If someone can't pass a background check, they may exploit this "loophole". As for the shoulder thing that goes up....

<--- Gun enthusiast.

CM156:

woodaba:

CM156:
Also, you got the "space-port loophole" joke, right?

Sorry, man. :( Is it from Spaceballs? That movie gets refrenced every 0.5 seconds on the internet, yet I've never seen it.

It's a reference to the "gun show loophole". In the states, when you buy a gun, you have to go through a background check though the NCIS. If you buy from a Federal Firearms License (FFL) dealer, that is. But if you privately sell a gun at a gun show and you aren't a FFL dealer, you can sell without a background check. If someone can't pass a background check, they may exploit this "loophole". As for the shoulder thing that goes up....

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<--- Gun enthusiast.

Ah, that explains it. I live in the UK, where we're civilized and spend our summers rioting, our winters shutting down the country, and the intervening time complaining about the weather and electing idiots into government.

Maybe having guns would make the place more lively.

woodaba:

CM156:

woodaba:

Sorry, man. :( Is it from Spaceballs? That movie gets refrenced every 0.5 seconds on the internet, yet I've never seen it.

It's a reference to the "gun show loophole". In the states, when you buy a gun, you have to go through a background check though the NCIS. If you buy from a Federal Firearms License (FFL) dealer, that is. But if you privately sell a gun at a gun show and you aren't a FFL dealer, you can sell without a background check. If someone can't pass a background check, they may exploit this "loophole". As for the shoulder thing that goes up....

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<--- Gun enthusiast.

Ah, that explains it. I live in the UK, where we're civilized and spend our summers rioting, our winters shutting down the country, and the intervening time complaining about the weather and electing idiots into government.

Maybe having guns would make the place more lively.

I can see that.

Personally, though: I'd like to be able to buy a deadly assault wookie. Then again, I can't think of any NON-deadly wookies, so that perhaps makes it a bit redundant.

Most evil bad guy ever huh?

This might sound unimaginative, but I think I've got to go with Voldemort from Harry Potter. His only motivation for all the killing, torturing and oppressing he inflicts on everyone is that he wants to live forever, and there's minimal justification for how he came to be that way - he's just a stone cold psychopath.

Plus he tried to kill a baby, of all things. That's like Kicking the Dog on steroids. Even Sauron didn't do that.

"Oh, no. Here's the thing: I have a Czerka brand Killrass blaster here. It's one of the most powerful blasters in the galaxy, and can kill you in a single shot. You've got your hand on the
alarm. You just gotta ask yourself one question. Do you feel lucky, punk? Well, do ya?"

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now for the bad guy, hmmmmm just because i am a bioware fanboy, the Reapers,spoilers for me2

The_Lost_King:
of topic: how do you put text on your spoiler tag?

Put ="Whatever you want the text to be" after spoiler inside the square bracket and it should work :)

AD-Stu:
Most evil bad guy ever huh?

This might sound unimaginative, but I think I've got to go with Voldemort from Harry Potter. His only motivation for all the killing, torturing and oppressing he inflicts on everyone is that he wants to live forever, and there's minimal justification for how he came to be that way - he's just a stone cold psychopath.

Plus he tried to kill a baby, of all things. That's like Kicking the Dog on steroids. Even Sauron didn't do that.

I remember being scared shitless by Voldemort when I was a wee lad reading the books. Then they went and ruined him in the movies by turning him into a monster with no nose. Real intimidating.

woodaba:

AD-Stu:
Most evil bad guy ever huh?

This might sound unimaginative, but I think I've got to go with Voldemort from Harry Potter. His only motivation for all the killing, torturing and oppressing he inflicts on everyone is that he wants to live forever, and there's minimal justification for how he came to be that way - he's just a stone cold psychopath.

Plus he tried to kill a baby, of all things. That's like Kicking the Dog on steroids. Even Sauron didn't do that.

I remember being scared shitless by Voldemort when I was a wee lad reading the books. Then they went and ruined him in the movies by turning him into a monster with no nose. Real intimidating.

I've never read the books or seen the movies. My only knowledge of the HP verse comes from "My Immortal".

...

Also, I think Bob Page and Walton Simons are pretty good bad guys.

After you go through Taris the first time, it always seems pointless to save and be nice to people on the second playthrough cos you know everyone is going to die anyway.

CM156:
I've never read the books or seen the movies. My only knowledge of the HP verse comes from "My Immortal".

They're surprisingly good - the first couple (the first one in particular) are a bit kid-focused, but that wears off by about the third one and they're just good solid fantasy reads.

Voldemort, the antagonist for the entire series, is pretty much evil personified. Seriously, he tried to kill a defenceless baby - 'nuff said really ;)

CM156:
I've never read the books or seen the movies. My only knowledge of the HP verse comes from "My Immortal".

...

Also, I think Bob Page and Walton Simons are pretty good bad guys.

ABFADNGYKDAUHFUINDHMKHMNJ...Sorry, I have a spaz attack every time someone mentions...that... due to my post-traumatic stress disorder I contracted from reading it.

Personally, I thought Walton was a bit bland. Bob, on the other hand, was brilliant.

endtherapture:
After you go through Taris the first time, it always seems pointless to save and be nice to people on the second playthrough cos you know everyone is going to die anyway.

At least you can make their last few days palatable and/or bleed them for all they've got.

woodaba:

endtherapture:
I've never read the books or seen the movies. My only knowledge of the HP verse comes from "My Immortal".

...

Also, I think Bob Page and Walton Simons are pretty good bad guys.

ABFADNGYKDAUHFUINDHMKHMNJ...Sorry, I have a spaz attack every time someone mentions...that... due to my post-traumatic stress disorder I contracted from reading it.

Personally, I thought Walton was a bit bland. Bob, on the other hand, was brilliant.

endtherapture:
After you go through Taris the first time, it always seems pointless to save and be nice to people on the second playthrough cos you know everyone is going to die anyway.

At least you can make their last few days palatable and/or bleed them for all they've got.

Think you quoted the wrong person there.

I liked Walton. He reminded me a bit of my grandfather in his "no-nonsense" manner. And his line "Am I behind a desk right now? No, I'm not." cracked me up.

He was a man I respected when I fought him. Plus, he's a snappy dresser.

Page, however, was one of my favorites. I'm glad I played Deus Ex after Human Revolution. I now get many references about the game.

CM156:

Think you quoted the wrong person there.

Fixed.

woodaba:

CM156:

Think you quoted the wrong person there.

Fixed.

I see.

What did you think about what I said, my friend?

I like bad guys I can relate to. And Walton is one of them. Though, mostly, it's because he reminds me of my grandfather, a man I deeply respect.

CM156:

woodaba:

CM156:

Think you quoted the wrong person there.

Fixed.

I see.

What did you think about what I said, my friend?

I like bad guys I can relate to. And Walton is one of them. Though, mostly, it's because he reminds me of my grandfather, a man I deeply respect.

Personally, It felt like Walton was just going through the motions throughout the game. His slow, monotone manner of speaking, his flippant and uncaring attitude, it just felt like he didn't give a shit about JC.

I like two types of bad guys. Really, really, monstrously, kick the shaggy dog style evil villains, or a villain whos status as villain is debatable, and having just motivations.

woodaba:

CM156:

woodaba:

Fixed.

I see.

What did you think about what I said, my friend?

I like bad guys I can relate to. And Walton is one of them. Though, mostly, it's because he reminds me of my grandfather, a man I deeply respect.

Personally, It felt like Walton was just going through the motions throughout the game. His slow, monotone manner of speaking, his flippant and uncaring attitude, it just felt like he didn't give a shit about JC.

I like two types of bad guys. Really, really, monstrously, kick the shaggy dog style evil villains, or a villain whos status as villain is debatable, and having just motivations.

I like the villains who are evil overlords or very strong lawful evil types. I like the ones that make you think they're good guys, but are really evil. Iago is a prime example of this.

Because it's easy to just grab a sword and attack everyone you see. But it's hard to get a man to kill his own wife. Tricking him to do so is a sign of evil planing.

Have you played Invisible War, by the way?

CM156:

woodaba:

CM156:

I see.

What did you think about what I said, my friend?

I like bad guys I can relate to. And Walton is one of them. Though, mostly, it's because he reminds me of my grandfather, a man I deeply respect.

Personally, It felt like Walton was just going through the motions throughout the game. His slow, monotone manner of speaking, his flippant and uncaring attitude, it just felt like he didn't give a shit about JC.

I like two types of bad guys. Really, really, monstrously, kick the shaggy dog style evil villains, or a villain whos status as villain is debatable, and having just motivations.

I like the villains who are evil overlords or very strong lawful evil types. I like the ones that make you think they're good guys, but are really evil. Iago is a prime example of this.

Because it's easy to just grab a sword and attack everyone you see. But it's hard to get a man to kill his own wife. Tricking him to do so is a sign of evil planing.

Have you played Invisible War, by the way?

I have played Invisible War.

It is horrendous.

There are some good ideas in the story, and I liked the "no-win" scenario at the end, but the game itself was poorly designed, badly written, and generally pretty damn awful.

Music was nice though.

I too share a fondness for the villain who's plan is dominated not through physical strength, but wit and intelligence. My personal favorite is the antagonist from KoTOR II, but I'm not going to spoil that.

woodaba:

CM156:

woodaba:

Personally, It felt like Walton was just going through the motions throughout the game. His slow, monotone manner of speaking, his flippant and uncaring attitude, it just felt like he didn't give a shit about JC.

I like two types of bad guys. Really, really, monstrously, kick the shaggy dog style evil villains, or a villain whos status as villain is debatable, and having just motivations.

I like the villains who are evil overlords or very strong lawful evil types. I like the ones that make you think they're good guys, but are really evil. Iago is a prime example of this.

Because it's easy to just grab a sword and attack everyone you see. But it's hard to get a man to kill his own wife. Tricking him to do so is a sign of evil planing.

Have you played Invisible War, by the way?

I have played Invisible War.

It is horrendous.

There are some good ideas in the story, and I liked the "no-win" scenario at the end, but the game itself was poorly designed, badly written, and generally pretty damn awful.

Music was nice though.

I too share a fondness for the villain who's plan is dominated not through physical strength, but wit and intelligence. My personal favorite is the antagonist from KoTOR II, but I'm not going to spoil that.

I've seen a LP of KOTOR II. I wouldn't say they fit as well in that role as I'd have liked, but they weren't bad, either.

Shame, really. I liked DX:1 quite a bit. Is it the level size?

CM156:

woodaba:

CM156:

I like the villains who are evil overlords or very strong lawful evil types. I like the ones that make you think they're good guys, but are really evil. Iago is a prime example of this.

Because it's easy to just grab a sword and attack everyone you see. But it's hard to get a man to kill his own wife. Tricking him to do so is a sign of evil planing.

Have you played Invisible War, by the way?

I have played Invisible War.

It is horrendous.

There are some good ideas in the story, and I liked the "no-win" scenario at the end, but the game itself was poorly designed, badly written, and generally pretty damn awful.

Music was nice though.

I too share a fondness for the villain who's plan is dominated not through physical strength, but wit and intelligence. My personal favorite is the antagonist from KoTOR II, but I'm not going to spoil that.

I've seen a LP of KOTOR II. I wouldn't say they fit as well in that role as I'd have liked, but they weren't bad, either.

Shame, really. I liked DX:1 quite a bit. Is it the level size?

Ok, imagine DX. Ok? Now imagine, everything that made that game great being thrown out the window. Then imagine them shoving in dull, linear, shooting levels that make up the majority of the game.

That's the problem. They took Deus Ex, and decided to aim for the Quake market. They failed. Miserably.