why is Origin= Bad...Steam =Good?

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here I thourght I had

Origin...everyone hates it, more or less,its become a symbol of how awful EA are

and then there steam..EVERYONE loves steam..steam are an example of how awsome Valve are

now I acutally like valve..espeically compared to EA

but WHY is this? I mean is it really a good thing for one digital distribution service to have a "monopoly" on the market? Steam has screwed me over a number of times (losing my game data, forcing my to use it and download a whole load of data before I can play my game...on a game I got retail..no less)

I know origin is aparently not perfect as a platfrom/service but some people seem to hate it for the fact that it exists, and that it isnt steam

so tell me...why is steam so great when origin is so awful?

Sadly I cant say... atleast not yet if need be but all i know right now is that atleast it isnt GFWL. The only thing I dont like about origin so far is the whole oneupmanship with ea removing games from steam.

It has to do with the intrusive and draconian monitoring schemes of Origin.

Least that's what i've heard through the grapevine.

Sure, people will talk about "privacy invasion" this and "evil corporation" that, but they're really just arguments that arrived after the conclusion: people don't trust EA as much as Valve, so they're afraid of investing in the new service. People already loved valve when steam came out. People hated EA when Origin came out. I don't know if there really is any other reason that people actually care about.

Is it objective? No, but it is a result of the state of EA's public relations, which are very much the result of some bad decisions on EA's part.

It's EA's way of monitoring their audience. Origin basically takes the information on your computer, operating system, and the hardware and software you have installed, and gives it to other companies for marketing. Current games that release on the PC require you to have an Origin account to play them. And you can't play games offline anymore, regardless of whether you own retail or digital.

If it were optional, I wouldn't have a problem with it. The fact that EA wants to make this permanent is what presses my buttons.

aPod:
It has to do with the intrusive and draconian monitoring schemes of Origin.

Least that's what i've heard through the grapevine.

In D&D ALignment Terms: Steam/Valve is a benefactor (Neutral Good), and Origin/EA is a Tyrant (Lawful Evil)

It is because, instead of offering something different, Origin is cribbing things from Steam wholesale, and doing a poorer job of it.

I'll use a comparison with WOW. Games that are set up to compete with WOW use extremely similar mechanics. What are you going to choose? The one that is well established, and isn't going to die in a few months if it doesn't get a userbase, or the new one, which is a potentially risky venture?

It isn't offering an alternative to Steam, it is trying to be Steam. And why choose the copycat when you could have the real thing with more benefits?

The reason that GOG is doing so well is because it isn't competing with Steam. It is catering to a different audience, the one searching for good old games. They are offering an alternative, retro games with no DRM. They aren't competing with Steam as much as they are locking down a corner of the market.

Origin is trying to dominate the market, and uproot Steam from its position of power. While this isn't necessarily bad, I am again drawn to the WOW comparison. Why buy a WOW knockoff when you could have the real thing that provides better content and isn't going to tank in three months?

Personally, I have no huge beef with Origin. It's mildly annoying to have to sign up for and use another program and I'm certainly not about to buy anything from it, but it's proven to be basically functional thus far.

As for other people, the main complaint is that EULA that basically allowed them to snag whatever info they wanted from your computer and do whatever they wanted with it. After the shit hit the fan they changed it to something less scary. Now it contains a whole bunch of reassurances that no really, they would never do anything to compromise our privacy and in fact they are huge fans of privacy and son and so forth.

Once again, no big problem for me. What exactly are they going to find out from my computer? "Wow, this guy needs to upgrade his video card, what a piece of crap. Oh, and he should get a life, he spends way too much time on gaming forums. Huh, his taste in porn is pretty boring."

RaNDM G:
It's EA's way of monitoring their audience. Origin basically takes the information on your computer, operating system, and the hardware and software you have installed, and gives it to other companies for marketing. Current games that release on the PC require you to have an Origin account to play them. And you can't play games offline anymore, regardless of whether you own retail or digital.

If it were optional, I wouldn't have a problem with it. The fact that EA wants to make this permanent is what presses my buttons.

theres no offline mode?

fuck..that..shit

As far as I can tell, it's because people are paranoid and predisposed to disliking EA. Yeah, Origin looks at your computer. They don't care about your porn. What they want to know is what kind of video card you have. Operating system. RAM. Gamepad plugged in? Joystick? What CPU? You know, the stuff that matters when they want to bring their next game to market. It's not nefarious, it's just nice to be able to say "60% of our PC customers have 4GB of RAM or more." It'll turn out games that can look as nice as possible, while still running on the most systems. But, of course, that answer is too easy. So people convince themselves that EA wants to know about their taste in porn, or their Facebook password or whatever. Because they already hate EA, so it is easier to scapegoat. When we had this discussion about six months ago, one person even insisted that EA should pay each of us for our system specs.

Soviet Heavy:
It is because, instead of offering something different, Origin is cribbing things from Steam wholesale, and doing a poorer job of it.

I'll use a comparison with WOW. Games that are set up to compete with WOW use extremely similar mechanics. What are you going to choose? The one that is well established, and isn't going to die in a few months if it doesn't get a userbase, or the new one, which is a potentially risky venture?

It isn't offering an alternative to Steam, it is trying to be Steam. And why choose the copycat when you could have the real thing with more benefits?

The reason that GOG is doing so well is because it isn't competing with Steam. It is catering to a different audience, the one searching for good old games. They are offering an alternative, retro games with no DRM. They aren't competing with Steam as much as they are locking down a corner of the market.

Origin is trying to dominate the market, and uproot Steam from its position of power. While this isn't necessarily bad, I am again drawn to the WOW comparison. Why buy a WOW knockoff when you could have the real thing that provides better content and isn't going to tank in three months?

This. Steam already has an established calatogue of games, and people don't feel bad about Valve's games only being on Steam because people like Valve, particularly PC gamers. Ditto for some games that require Steam - for instance, with Skyrim and Human Revolution, they still sold pretty well despite people who boycotted them for still hating Steam. And recently, EA have started to make everyone (PC gamers included) hate them, not least because they pulled all their games off of Steam...without getting into what happened with Dragon Age 2, and Bioware in general. Broken promise #1: DA2 on the PC would have DAO's combat. And that's before we go any further into the game - which I haven't played, so I won't make any subjective judgment.

What's more, EA has had a whole lot of time and a whole lot of failed competitors, just like with World of Warcraft, to learn from. And they don't seem to have learned much. So, yeah, people will be people, sticking to what they know. I still don't want Origin because EA hasn't put out any games in forever that interest me enough to offset its negative hearsay - there's Syndicate, except that's banned in Australia, and a hypothetical Mirror's Edge 2. Mass Effect? Not interested. Battlefield? No way. Kingdoms of Amalur? I already have Skyrim and Arkham Asylum, and don't think the two should mix.

All in all, Origin isn't the right digital distribution platform for me. Gamer's Gate, on the other hand, I may start looking into sometime...

Because too many PC gamers are Valve fanboys that will bend over and take anything from their digital distribution service while just smiling and asking for more Half-Life. While any similar wrong doings from the main digital distribution service for EA will just be taken as proof of their 'See EA is evil and shouldn't be trusted' mentality.

Really? To ask why Origin is bad, really? Do you even read topics on this forum?

Steam does need competition though. While they haven't done it yet (imo) they could easily just give a giant middle finger to everyone and jack up their prices. Competition would keep them from doing that.

Because EA is a little more nebulous in there privacy statement and everyone hates EA and loves Valve. I'm sorry, those words aren't strong enough. Everyone thinks EA is the devil if the devil made himself more evil and everyone wants to have Valve's babies.

That's what most of the arguments I hear boil down to to me. I wonder how many people just see it as an inferior service and don't feel the need to use a blow-horn to inform the internet that there opinion matters? Probably a lot.

RaNDM G:
It's EA's way of monitoring their audience. Origin basically takes the information on your computer, operating system, and the hardware and software you have installed, and gives it to other companies for marketing.

No. The EULA doesn't allow them to give any information they gather to any one else unless they need to for a prosecution or other legal matter.

RaNDM G:
Current games that release on the PC require you to have an Origin account to play them. And you can't play games offline anymore, regardless of whether you own retail or digital.

Depends on the game, Battlefield 3 is online only and if you are playing the singleplayer you are wasting your time, The Mass Effects need an online check anyway Origin or not, Fifa 12 works fine offline as does Bad Company 2, I haven't tried the Need for Speed games I have yet.

RaNDM G:
If it were optional, I wouldn't have a problem with it. The fact that EA wants to make this permanent is what presses my buttons.

Just like what Valve did, only Origin works and Steam didn't.

I look at Origins catalog and see no Orcs must die, or no cave story. Lately I've been finding the "smaller" games alot more enjoyable and they don't seem to be worth origins time so I guess that means they can go to hell or something. Not every game has to be a big budget title costing 60 dollars you know! And why the hell should I pay them for the shelving fee for a downloadable game?

It's quite simple, really.

EA is a jackass to it's customers and seems to be bent on fucking them whenever they get the opportunity (see Origin's former terms of service). There's also their lovely strong-arm tactics by making Battlefield 3 and Mass Effect 3 Origin exclusive, despite the fact that (in the case of ME3) many players have the previous games on Steam and would prefer to have the whole trilogy there. Lastly, EA is a DRM whore, which is pretty much guaranteed to piss PC gamers off.

Valve certainly isn't perfect, but they do a hell of alot better than EA does. Steam is convenient, easy to use, and has an excellent selection of games. Valve has never (to my knowledge) seriously tried to screw their customers over. Also, in an odd sort of way, Valve can kind of be seen as a philanthropist of sorts since indie developers that do put their games on Steam tend to sell a heck of alot more than they otherwise would (see Recettear). And even if Steam is technically DRM (though a far less intrusive one than others), it has enough other benefits to make it worth it.

In short, Valve is good while EA can go get fucked. :o

As far as i can tell Origin itself is just an old version of steam. The thing I have an issue with though is EA being absolute dicks. They put in the terms and conditions of Origin that they can scan all of your programs and monitor their usage. Thats not the worst part though, the worst part is how they are throwing permanent bans around like their worthless. One guy got one for swearing on the EA forums. Another got one for using mods. Its this kind of stuff that really gets me angry at EA. I doubt I will ever buy an EA game for pc again unless they stop being dicks to valve and put their games back on steam.

To be fair and balanced, Steam=Good Origin=not there yet, may be a trap.

CulixCupric:

aPod:
It has to do with the intrusive and draconian monitoring schemes of Origin.

Least that's what i've heard through the grapevine.

In D&D ALignment Terms: Steam/Valve is a benefactor (Neutral Good), and Origin/EA is a Tyrant (Lawful Evil)

They are actually both Lawful Evil imo.

psicat:
Because too many PC gamers are Valve fanboys that will bend over and take anything from their digital distribution service while just smiling and asking for more Half-Life.

Yes. That's totally it. How in blue blazes did nobody else figure it out?

*ahem* Actually, no wait. That's totally not it. The difference between Valve and EA is that Valve understand that they are the ones offering the service, so they are the ones who need to keep up with us (and their customer service is awesome provided you haven't FUBAR'd yourself); while EA thinks it's the other way around, that we are there to serve them and that we should adapt to them.

So I'm not buying any EA games in the near future. Am I going to pirate any EA games in the near future? Hell no. I'm going to ignore all EA games in the near future.

Oh look it's this again.

Steam = good but Origin = bad. Why you ask?
Besides all the way's steam is better and the fact Origin sells things at retail price, Valve are not hated by most of their fanbase.

It's great for steam to have competition but I would rather it not be EA. Steam doesn't feel forced. Sure you need to get it just like you need Origin for certain games but it doesn't feel forced, it's more like something that comes with it.
With Steam I can browse ALL my PC games since they are all stored in one place, this place also regularly gives me brilliant sales because it loathes the idea of me having money.

Enter EA. To finish the series of mass effect you now have to download another program and sign up for it. Now never mind how bad the EULA for Origin was, the fact is everybody made a big deal about how intrusive it was, I think the German goverment even branded it Spyware. It's also inferior to the current program ou have(Steam).

If you had the option you would prefer to get Mass effect 3 or Battlefield on Steam right? Most people would, Origin feels forced on you by EA in an attempt to cash in on the market Steam currently has a monopoly in. That isn't actully a bad thing but it's EA.

Im finding it hard to explain. It's pretty much that most people hate EA, or have heard of the hatred of EA because they have such a bad reputation. EAs bad reputation combined with all the fuss about it being spyware instantly gives it a bad reputation, you download it anyway because you need it for certain games and then it is inferior to Steam and has bad pricing.
Then you hear about the ability it has to ban you from playing all of the EA games you own and suddenly it's as if this inferior program you felt forced to download which supposedly spies on you may now steal your games away from you.
It's also entirely believeable because EA would do that kind of thing.

Then you have Steam which works better, has more games, has better pricing and is generally respected and held up as a shining example of how to do it. It's also made by Valve, a famous and popular company which most gamers can do nothing but say good things about.

And that is why most people usaully feel Steam=Good and Origin=Bad.

There's a recurring pattern of EA screwing off both their customers and partners wherever possible if it means making a little more money and screw those business ethics to hell, while Valve is rather known for being the company that willingly stays away from the stock market because

"All [companies that float] end up getting their customers changed," Valve's Erik Johnson told the latest issue of PC Gamer.
"Any bad decision I ever see out there is because somebody created this different customer that was whoever funds them, and not the consumer of the product."

Gabe Newell added: "You end up with a totally different set of decisions, and the person who's trying to design the experience is like' Okay, I guess we'll put Christopher Walken in our game.

They're also known for taking a risk or two and for instance allowing several inexperienced Indie developers full access to one of their most valuable IPs and helping them sell their games off the popularity cultivated by it.
http://www.next-gen.biz/news/potato-sack-developers-helped-design-portal-2-arg

They're known for cultivating a modding culture and even often hiring out of it and making commercial high-budget games out of them.

They're known for supporting, sometimes even without expecting anything in return and in several cases even saving Indie studios with their sales, like in the case of Introversion or Frictional Games or Tripwire.

They might have two somewhat similar services, but the ways how they go about managing it and the entire corporate culture behind it can't be more different...

I'm not at a point where I'd say I wouldn't "buy EA games" (neither in general nor on Origin) like I do with Activision Blizzard, but they have a very long way to go before I decide to actively support them by buying games that I'm not forced to off their Digital Distribution platform, buy their DLC or similar...

I'd say it's mainly an image problem, though there's also this: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/experienced-points/9359-Dear-Origin-You-Stink and this: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.339834-Poll-Are-you-still-getting-Mass-Effect-3

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CulixCupric:

aPod:
It has to do with the intrusive and draconian monitoring schemes of Origin.

Least that's what i've heard through the grapevine.

In D&D ALignment Terms: Steam/Valve is a benefactor (Neutral Good), and Origin/EA is a Tyrant (Lawful Evil)

They are actually both Lawful Evil imo.

eh, It's all perspective, so it could be either scenario.

I think the "working logic" if you can call it that is: "EA bad! Mongo no like bad!"

I would say that in the very first year (that is not yet finished) of Origin appearing, it has already screwed more players and fans, then stem could ever screw in 5 years.

Steam is user-friendly, it's a community and a family, and it comes from a company i trust, that has been at my side, from what i can remember.

Origin, is a wannabe. It copies everything Steam has, it doesn't bring anything new to the table. The sole purpose of it is to try to match against online huds like steam, not to reach the players directly, but with the aim, of putting more money in EA's pocket. Each time i opened Origin, even i could see that there was a reason behind it.

EA from a long time has screwed players, for more profit. In a reference one could say, that the EA corporative would sell theyr own mothers, for money. That kind of fame they have been receiving (by theyr own hands) has tainted every and single product they make. They have copied other games, stolen, screwed, terminated whole companies, and were always unfaithfull to the fans (wich by now, i bet there aren't many).

Origin is a bad engine. It's a copy. And a bad copy if i may say so. The worst part is that it comes from EA. That project was bound to fail even before they wrote the "idea" on the whiteboard...

Steam: Established, Easy, Has deals that scare my wallet, Dont make you pay stupid amount of money for 5 year old games.

Origin: Not Established yet, EA makes you pay stupid of money for older games (Mirrors Edge 20 on origin and 5 in the shops :P), Has a bad History behind it.

Dear origin, Shut down and face the turth you will never be as good as steam
Love from everyone :3

Honestly, because Steam got here first and has had more time to establish and improve itself. I don't exactly know how Steam was when it first came out, but I highly doubt it was as well-polished as it is now. It's kind of like how a new IP will always lose out in sales to the next iteration of an established franchise; most people will always go towards what is safe and familiar.

Also, it's largely to do with who owns the services. Valve released Half-Life and Portal, and thus became the gold standard for a lot of people especially on the PC. I mean if any other developer took as long to release Half-Life episodes as Valve did, most people would crucify them for it. But Valve gets a pass because they're Valve apparently. You can't really deny that Valve has a level of trust largely unseen in any other game company. Whether or not it's deserved or not, I'm not the person to say. Portal wasn't for me, and I have no desire to try Half-Life because I know I'll dislike it for the exact same reasons I couldn't get into Portal.

Now look at EA. You've got Project Ten Dollar/Online Pass, obvious cheap cash in games, and marketing that quite honestly proves EA doesn't give a damn about the people who actually play games (if I ever meet the guy who thought up the "Your Mum Will Hate This" ad, I will punch him in the face). Also, it doesn't help that EA is forcing players to use Origin even if they bought the game at retail.

So basically, people like Steam and hate Origin because people love Valve and hate EA.

The reason why I much prefer steam is because of my history with Valve as a company.

I had steam back in the days where it was mainly just HL2, Portal, TF2 etc. Now I have over 90 games on my steam list due to Valve making great deals and supporting indie developers.
I might even go so far as to say that if I didn't get steam I wouldn't be a PC gamer. Well, probably not to a greater extent that I am now. The point is I've had steam for years and it has never once done me wrong. I trust Steam and Valve.

Now my experience with EA is much different, I do not need to list the many things EA has done to screw over people simply to get more money. It has already been done on this thread by other people. Needless to say, I will not get Origin because I don't support the way their corporation works.

Valve, however, seems less like a corporation and more like a game developer, and one that makes good games for the sake of making good games and then it has to put prices up because it is, unfortunately, a business at the end of the day.

tl:dr

I'm a Valve fanboy and its going to stay that way...

Vault101:

so tell me...why is steam so great when origin is so awful?

Sincerity.

Valve built a very trusting, customer-focused DRM. I was easily able to play through all of Portal and Half-Life 2 on my friend's Steam account... from my computer. There is DRM but it's not extreme. Valve cares about customers and to have more effective DRM would hurt the player. EA thinks customers are the enemy. Their DRM has hardcrashed my system before. It terminates programs without user permission. It is released with EA knowing the authentication servers can't handle all the traffic on launch day, and some people simply won't be able to play their games. I've never had those kinds of problems on Steam, and if I did, they were fixed so quickly I didn't have to figure it out for myself. Valve sincerely wants me to have a fun time. EA wants me to give them lots of money or GTFO. Sometimes give me money and then immediately be thrown out.

Simply because I was able to play with my friend's Steam account, I became so impressed with Steam that I set up my own Steam account. I've now spent hundreds of dollars over the years on games for Steam, and never had a major issue. The launcher for every game links straight to a support forum for if I've having trouble and I rarely have to use it. Meanwhile EA has screwed me over so many times I would actively avoid EA games if they didn't buy out Bioware and Westwood Studios, who make games I really want to play.

psicat:
Because too many PC gamers are Valve fanboys that will bend over and take anything from their digital distribution service while just smiling and asking for more Half-Life. While any similar wrong doings from the main digital distribution service for EA will just be taken as proof of their 'See EA is evil and shouldn't be trusted' mentality.

True dat. I find Steam just as 'effin annoying a service as any other. "Oh you bought Portal, HOW NOW YOU DOWNLOAD STEAM?#!". No, I don't want to. I bought a physical copy. Now go to hell.

Because it's EA, the people who scout out talented developers just to squeeze as much profit out of them by forcing the developers to publish rushed and unpolished games.

I like Steam more than Origin because, simply put, Origin came out too late. Steam's had the time to polish itself, get itself established, and gain a large userbase and practically dominate the market of online distribution. Origin hasn't had enough time to do any of those, and it possibly never will. It came too late, doesn't offer many exclusives compared to Steam (Which has some of the games offered on Origin), and doesn't have as good a design as Steam.

Mostly because I despise EA. My brief time with Origin was buggy and riddled with time spent trying to contact EA's terrible tech support. Finally I gave up on battlefield 3 and Origin altogether. It may have improved since I last played, but I will take my business elsewhere.

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