Why I am not going to buy Mass Effect 3

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I'm boycotting ME3, although ME2 was the best thing since canned pineapple.

J Tyran:

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

J Tyran:

So? It could be fricking Santa Claus or Jesus in the DLC, that doesn't mean the character is necessarily important. It could just be a dude that follows you around or has no conversation options like Zaeed or Kasumi, if the char turns out to be a critical part of the plot there will be justification for bitching. If not you are all going to look pretty stupid.

I guess Bioware trying to fair and give players the option to get some of the content from the collectors edition is all wrong. Lots of ME2 players begged for some of the special edition content to become available, they do so with ME3 and everyone bitches?

If your precious Prothean means so much to maybe you should have put your hands in your pocket and got the collectors edition.

Wheres that "Biodrone glasses" picture when you need it....

I have my Prothean haha, also I'm no fanboy and well aware of Biowares faults. What I do lack however is a sense of self entitlement and believe everything should be handed to me.

I believe the pizza analogy posted earlier in this thread works well.

"Sorry sir, but this pizza I just bought has no cheese on it."
"So?"
"It should. The sign outside says you are selling normal pizza."
"You have to pay extra for cheese."
"What the fuck dude?"
"STOP BEING SO ENTITLED!"

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

J Tyran:

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

Wheres that "Biodrone glasses" picture when you need it....

I have my Prothean haha, also I'm no fanboy and well aware of Biowares faults. What I do lack however is a sense of self entitlement and believe everything should be handed to me.

I believe the pizza analogy posted earlier in this thread works well.

"Sorry sir, but this pizza I just bought has no cheese on it."
"So?"
"It should. The sign outside says you are selling normal pizza."
"You have to pay extra for cheese."
"What the fuck dude?"
"STOP BEING SO ENTITLED!"

Doesn't really work like that, the Prothean isn't the cheese hes one of the extra toppings.

dobahci:

AyreonMaiden:
This. I respect not one of these bullshit whiny boycotts because of this, and man is it ever tiring nowadays. Every time SOMETHING happens, it's just negativity all around. The "pirating it," thing, and the "I'll get it used instead so no one, not even the devs, get my money" utterly gall me. Nice one, bro, way to make sure the right people get fucked. Way to show you're not gonna take it and will not stand for any bullshit by...buying the game.

If you're taking a stand, mean it. Inconvenience yourself all the way or you might as well give them your money now, since you will later anyway cause you simply could not go without blue bitchin' sex in space to stand by your beliefs. As far as I'm concerned, you either send the message home, or be a pussy. Your call.

I might be missing something, but I don't think the point of a boycott is to inconvenience yourself or prove that you aren't a pussy. The point is to ensure that the company in question doesn't get your money. Piracy does that while still ensuring you don't miss out on the game. Where's the problem? It sounds like an ideal solution to me.

Why should a gamer have to inconvenience himself to make a statement anyway? If we protest every company that is run by pricks, then we'll basically end up finding a new hobby, because pretty much the entire mainstream game industry is prick-dominated nowadays, and finding a company that DOESN'T use invasive DRM or milk their customers out of every little cent with day-of-release DLC and rushed sequels is more the exception than the rule. And unfortunately there are precious few ways we can influence this.

How can you really get a company to change their ways? Even if you do manage to organize some kind of full-scale boycott, you're still only going to impact a tiny fraction of the sales expected for the game, and the company you were trying to boycott is still going to make enough money off of it to buy your entire town and rename it to Butthurtville. And there's NOTHING you can do about it. You can send them emails saying that they really ought to treat their customers with more respect, and they'll just say, "Sorry, I can't hear you over the whooshing sound of my moneyfountain."

Every time a company gets taken to task for DRM that rapes your computer upon install or for taking advantage of paying customers in some way or another, they come out with some press release with a bunch of bullshit and excuse-making, but you never see any changes made. Why should you inconvenience yourself for them when it's not even going to make the company change the shitty policies that made you boycott them in the first place?

The message you send matters. That's why inconveniencing oneself matters in a boycott.

I posted this in another thread of a similar nature that awoke me to that notion. If you get the game used/pirate it instead, what these publishers or whatever will see when they connect the dots as to the reason why the game has been pirated/bought used is "The game itself was fine, but how can we make it harder to pirate/less attractive to buy used?"

If you withhold buying the game outright, there's a bigger chance they'll rethink everything, including the pricing/DRM/DLC, because they won't know what the problem was in the first place until they look in the internet and see "X was wrong, Y was wrong and Oh! the DRM sucked/day one DLC sucked. Let's rethink those."

And the look absolutely matters. Being organized, determined, CIVIL and 100% serious with NO COMPROMISE makes your voice more respected. Look at OpRainfall; A vocal minority that unified civilly, sent letters asking for the service they wanted, encouraged respect among themselves and towards Nintendo, and demonstrated peacefully.

Bioware vocal minority by comparison? Abused Jennifer Hepler, bitched about Jessica Chobot's existence, whined about that one guy who looks like he's from Jersey Shore's looks, cried "EVIL CORPORATION" over a DLC character no one knows the importance of, and are now saying they'll pirate/buy used instead of supporting those (seemingly) DEADLY SERIOUS PROBLEMS.

One group managed to make Nintendo, CONSERVATIVE NINTENDO, take a chance for very little gain on 2 games of a niche alienating genre, on a console that's rarely used for said genre, in a country that currently has fallen out of favor with said genre.

The other group earned the ire of a corporation that KNOWS they can live without their money, and as a group evokes a bipolar reaction: People either want them to STFU, or join in the childish abuse.

Again, don't pussy out. Organize, unify, refuse to partake at all, and make your shit happen. You won't look entitled, you won't look like a thief, you won't look like a whiner, you won't make Bioware more pissed off at you than they already are. The look matters. The look is the message.

J Tyran:

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

J Tyran:

I have my Prothean haha, also I'm no fanboy and well aware of Biowares faults. What I do lack however is a sense of self entitlement and believe everything should be handed to me.

I believe the pizza analogy posted earlier in this thread works well.

"Sorry sir, but this pizza I just bought has no cheese on it."
"So?"
"It should. The sign outside says you are selling normal pizza."
"You have to pay extra for cheese."
"What the fuck dude?"
"STOP BEING SO ENTITLED!"

Doesn't really work like that, the Prothean isn't the cheese hes one of the extra toppings.

Actually, the Prothean would be the base. He is so damn important to the story, its not even funny. I cant imagine how they want to structure the story with him gone because he really is the pillar that carries the most weight.

But you know that. You just cant deal with people not liking what you like.

The protheans FAILED to stop the reapers and FAILED at just about everything else they ever did except change the keepers response code.

The protheans really aren't that important, theyare just another chain in the endless cycle/

they make that abundantly clear in Mass Effect 1.

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

J Tyran:

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

I believe the pizza analogy posted earlier in this thread works well.

"Sorry sir, but this pizza I just bought has no cheese on it."
"So?"
"It should. The sign outside says you are selling normal pizza."
"You have to pay extra for cheese."
"What the fuck dude?"
"STOP BEING SO ENTITLED!"

Doesn't really work like that, the Prothean isn't the cheese hes one of the extra toppings.

Actually, the Prothean would be the base. He is so damn important to the story, its not even funny. I cant imagine how they want to structure the story with him gone because he really is the pillar that carries the most weight.

But you know that. You just cant deal with people not liking what you like.

Just because the character is a Prothean it doesn't mean its critical to the plot, the Prothean race as a whole is important to the overall plot. But an individual char might not have much impact on the story.

Think of a ME2, collectors where a big deal right? A major part of the plot yes? Was one the random collectors you fought so central to the whole thing if it was removed the story would have collapsed? No of course not, same thing with the Geth in ME1, Geth as a race = important, random geth = not important. So this individual Prothean isn't the pillar that carries the most weight at all.

What in the hell has "You just cant deal with people not liking what you like." supposed to mean? Where did I say anything like that? If people don't like the game they don't like it, but that isn't what this thread is about. This thread is about people who obviously like it and want it and are so butt hurt about it they are flooding forums and YouTube with tears whilst mashing their keyboards in self entitled rage.

Loop Stricken:
Well balls, I was just about to make this thread.

It is indeed a fucking disgrace and I am this close to cancelling my preorder. I haven't yet because I'm hoping that EA decides to just say "fuck it, let us placate the Internet and make it free".

Are we talking about the same corporation here?. They will rub their DLC into your face and slit it down your throat whenever they get the chance to do it.

OT: I don't care what they have planned to release as DLC, so long as it's not important to the main story itself, I don't care.

SmashLovesTitanQuest:
Snip a massive spoiler

Seriously dude! WHAT THE FUCK?

Thanks. Thank you very fucking much! I had no idea about that. Learn to use god dam spoilers!

People like you infuriate me as you have no consideration for people that have avoided spoilers like the plague.

As much as I love TB in other cases (the way he handled The Darkness 2 and the FOV issue) I am going to say he is wrong on this one.

He has about as much information on how big a part this DLC is to the plot as I have, and I have none.

Wardens Keep/the stone prisoner had no real effect on the plot and he made the same argument then.

It is a lame business practise by EA, but not as bad as he makes it out to be.

Frozengale:
I hate it when people say "You're not entitled to it" and other such tripe. Of course we aren't, entitled would mean they should give us the game for free.

If it's so obvious, why did the video insist otherwise?

Instead of railing against me, maybe you should have paid attention to the context in which I said it. I talked about a guy who clearly and specifically used the word entitled. It was freaking explicit.

So don't complain to me that of course we're not entitled, rail at him for suggesting, nay, outright stating we are not.

Additionally, entitlement does not mean free. You are still entitled to goods if you pay for them. You just aren't entitled to anything more. Your claim to it is the fact that you paid, ergo you are entitled. It's not free, because you paid for it.

Now, let's move on to your car example:

If you bought a car and the manufacture said, "Okay here's your car... by the way there is no A/C, it costs extra." Would you say, "Oh that's okay, it's not integral to the car anyways. It will run fine, do everything else perfectly. I'm fine without the A/C." No you would be pissed. A/C is standard feature, it is designed into the car from the get-go. It's not needed but it is a feature that should be there without having to pay extra.

I'll take your word for it that air conditioning is standard; when I last bought a car it was a luxury item. But that's kind of the problem: Your comparison makes this bonus character an integral part of the standard package, which is untrue.

Let's make your car comparison a little more fair. You see those car ads on TV or online? Go to a car site for a new vehicle? Those price points they advertise include "starting at" for a reason. You don't get all the features for that initial price. From cursory research, a lot of people still make you pay extra for automatic transmission. All-Wheel Drive. Audio packages. Do people really have major fits that their car doesn't come with an iPod dock for free? No? Thought not.

It's like, extra content costs extra or something.

I just want to point out that I REALLY don't like online passes, but the car analogies get pretty damn stupid.

That's what this is. They are charging us extra for a feature that would be considered standard on any other game.

I want to know what game you're thinking of where bonus content is standard.

But we thought the company was going to be nice to us, try to take care of us, not try ask us to bend over and take it.

Yeah, how dare they create premium content for a premium edition and then charge for it?

If they commit to bad business plans we have a right to go elsewhere. Some of it is us just being whiny, but this is an industry. The customers whine, if the company doesn't fix it the customer goes elsewhere.

Oh goody, nothing I've contested. Yay.

I really find all the drama queens screaming doom and gloom (and canceled pre-oders) in reaction to the Prothean DLC quite amusing XD

Protheans are just like any other alien race in the game .. they don't have anymore significance than Asari or Turians .. they failed to stop the Reapers before and got even humiliated further by being turned into the Collectors (which is a double failure) ... yeah they might have had advanced technology that might play some role in defeating the reapers ("might" .. just a random guess) in ME3 but there is no proof on that nor any indication that's the case.

Also i foresee you will probably will meet the Prothean/s in the normal game and he/she/it/them might have some role in the story .. but a simple fact is NOT EVERY CHARACTER IMPORTANT TO THE STORY HAS TO JOIN YOUR FREAKING PARTY .. GROW UP ALREADY XD (yeah .. that's some drama XD)

And let me reuse my typical DLC isn't evil defense XD

You do get the FULL game when you pay 60$ (the developers are the only ones who can decide what is a full game and slap a value on it .. and you decide if you are willing to buy what they are offering for the price they are showing or not .. its called business .. if you don't like it don't buy it .. simple enough .. no need for any freaking over-the-top-drama).

And as for extra content .. i guess it is pretty clear it is called EXTRA for a reason .. DLC is simply the Expansions of the previous era of gamin but in smaller chunks .. and i don't remember companies giving away expansions for free, or did they !!? .... nah ... they didn't XD

AyreonMaiden:

dobahci:
[quote="AyreonMaiden" post="9.351719.13928344"]

The message you send matters. That's why inconveniencing oneself matters in a boycott.

I posted this in another thread of a similar nature that awoke me to that notion. If you get the game used/pirate it instead, what these publishers or whatever will see when they connect the dots as to the reason why the game has been pirated/bought used is "The game itself was fine, but how can we make it harder to pirate/less attractive to buy used?"

If you withhold buying the game outright, there's a bigger chance they'll rethink everything, including the pricing/DRM/DLC, because they won't know what the problem was in the first place until they look in the internet and see "X was wrong, Y was wrong and Oh! the DRM sucked/day one DLC sucked. Let's rethink those."

And the look absolutely matters. Being organized, determined, CIVIL and 100% serious with NO COMPROMISE makes your voice more respected. Look at OpRainfall; A vocal minority that unified civilly, sent letters asking for the service they wanted, encouraged respect among themselves and towards Nintendo, and demonstrated peacefully.

Bioware vocal minority by comparison? Abused Jennifer Hepler, bitched about Jessica Chobot's existence, whined about that one guy who looks like he's from Jersey Shore's looks, cried "EVIL CORPORATION" over a DLC character no one knows the importance of, and are now saying they'll pirate/buy used instead of supporting those (seemingly) DEADLY SERIOUS PROBLEMS.

One group managed to make Nintendo, CONSERVATIVE NINTENDO, take a chance for very little gain on 2 games of a niche alienating genre, on a console that's rarely used for said genre, in a country that currently has fallen out of favor with said genre.

The other group earned the ire of a corporation that KNOWS they can live without their money, and as a group evokes a bipolar reaction: People either want them to STFU, or join in the childish abuse.

Again, don't pussy out. Organize, unify, refuse to partake at all, and make your shit happen. You won't look entitled, you won't look like a thief, you won't look like a whiner, you won't make Bioware more pissed off at you than they already are. The look matters. The look is the message.

Bingo. I am in no way equivocating this but the principle is the same. That's how the civil rights movement got the "back of the bus" rule to go away. They GREATLY inconvenienced their lives to send a message to the bus companies. The bus companies that greatly depended on blacks paying bus fare to stay afloat. They tried reasoning with them, they tried being nice but they wouldn't budge. Because why did they care about the feelings of blacks as long as they kept paying the bus fare. So, they hit the bus companies the only place they would understand, their bottom line. They walked or carpooled to where they went.

The bus companies damn near went bankrupt, so they gave in. Not because they suddenly had a change of heart and thought to themselves "these people are really determined, maybe we are wrong". No, because they were losing money. And quite frankly, I don't care what any companies reason for eliminating their crappy DRM or crappy overpriced DLC, just so long as they do. They know we don't like it, but they don't care because tools keep shelling out their cash regardless.

Rancid0ffspring:

SmashLovesTitanQuest:
Snip a massive spoiler

Seriously dude! WHAT THE FUCK?

Thanks. Thank you very fucking much! I had no idea about that. Learn to use god dam spoilers!

People like you infuriate me as you have no consideration for people that have avoided spoilers like the plague.

"Oh look, a thread about ME3. Huh. OP posted a video. The guy in the video warns about spoilers. The OP warns about spoilers. People are obviously discussing the Mass Effect storyline in some detail here. I dont want to read any ME spoilers though. Do I

a) leave the thread and thus avoid possible spoilers or

b) act like a dumbass and read the thread anyway, then START SHOUTING AND THROWING AROUND INSULTS WHEN SOMEONE SPOILS SOMETHING WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT?

I MEAN, IF THERE WERE AT LEAST SOME WARNING SIGNS IN THIS THREAD OR SOMETHING. BUT THAT CAME OUT OF NOWHERE."

Daystar Clarion:

CaptainTrilby:
The main problem with this DLC is the nature of the character itself, a Prothean. These guys are the WHOLE reason Shepherd has any importance in the whole Mass Effect saga, they are a major link to the Reapers and who they are and the fact they created the Citadel and the Mass Effect relays themselves is pretty bloody important to the story.
The fact that a character is from a race which is pretty much vital to the whole universe of ME is missing from the full game is pretty ridiculous. Having said that, nobody yet knows what role the character is going to play when he/she/it is in the game or whether he has an interesting back story but still, the fact that a living, breathing, 50,000 year old Prothean is restricted from most users unless they fork over an extra 10 on launch is pretty deplorable.

It's pretty much been established that the guy is in the game. The DLC only adds him as a squad member. So you get all his dialogue and conversations, you just can't take him along with you for missions, he may have a sidequest or two, but overall, you're not missing anything if you don't buy the DLC.

What is your source?

And if he was already in the game, don't you find it a little weird that they didn't have time to make him a squad member if they were planning to make him from the beginning?

SupahGamuh:

OT: I don't care what they have planned to release as DLC, so long as it's not important to the main story itself, I don't care.

How about endings to the story? Since Bioware have heavily implied that alternate endings will also be DLC, but that got buried in one of the threads over on Bioware's forums.

And I'm surprised that people are only reacting to the whole prothean thing. It leaked months ago when CE was announced.

Dansen:

What is your source?

And if he was already in the game, don't you find it a little weird that they didn't have time to make him a squad member if they were planning to make him from the beginning?

It makes perfect sense if he's that guy sitting in the middle of your camp in DA:O. I'm sorry Commander Shepard, but you cannot accept this quest until you pay $9.95 to download the DLC.

Dansen:

Daystar Clarion:

CaptainTrilby:
The main problem with this DLC is the nature of the character itself, a Prothean. These guys are the WHOLE reason Shepherd has any importance in the whole Mass Effect saga, they are a major link to the Reapers and who they are and the fact they created the Citadel and the Mass Effect relays themselves is pretty bloody important to the story.
The fact that a character is from a race which is pretty much vital to the whole universe of ME is missing from the full game is pretty ridiculous. Having said that, nobody yet knows what role the character is going to play when he/she/it is in the game or whether he has an interesting back story but still, the fact that a living, breathing, 50,000 year old Prothean is restricted from most users unless they fork over an extra 10 on launch is pretty deplorable.

It's pretty much been established that the guy is in the game. The DLC only adds him as a squad member. So you get all his dialogue and conversations, you just can't take him along with you for missions, he may have a sidequest or two, but overall, you're not missing anything if you don't buy the DLC.

What is your source?

And if he was already in the game, don't you find it a little weird that they didn't have time to make him a squad member if they were planning to make him from the beginning?

I haven't seen the source myself, I didn't want to spoil any plot lines, but from what I've heard, the guy is integral to the plot of the story, so there's no way he won't be in the game if you don't have the DLC. The DLC makes him recruitable and offers a few sidequests.

I may be completely wrong, so correct me if I am.

Daystar Clarion:

Dansen:

Daystar Clarion:

It's pretty much been established that the guy is in the game. The DLC only adds him as a squad member. So you get all his dialogue and conversations, you just can't take him along with you for missions, he may have a sidequest or two, but overall, you're not missing anything if you don't buy the DLC.

What is your source?

And if he was already in the game, don't you find it a little weird that they didn't have time to make him a squad member if they were planning to make him from the beginning?

I haven't seen the source myself, I didn't want to spoil any plot lines, but from what I've heard, the guy is integral to the plot of the story, so there's no way he won't be in the game if you don't have the DLC. The DLC makes him recruitable and offers a few sidequests.

I may be completely wrong, so correct me if I am.

I have seen the source and it is more or less "he is prothean and therefore vital to the plot"

There is nothing more than that.

I'm not buying it because BioWare games have yet to impress me. ME 1 I got sick of after about 8-9 hours. It was boring as hell and the combat was shitty. DA:O got super boring after about 30 hours, and again the combat (on PS3) was fucking horrible. DA 2 I almost beat (~40ish hours) and the combat was better, but still lacking and the story got very, very stale. Doesn't help that you never go do anything very epic, you're just going through the same areas over and over again. Ugh.

Day 1 DLC is absolutely ridiculous as well, of course, but a company is free to do what they want. I mean, people buy Apple products. Like, all the fucking time... and those cost a fuckload more than the exact same hardware in a non Apple product.

Draech:

Daystar Clarion:

Dansen:

What is your source?

And if he was already in the game, don't you find it a little weird that they didn't have time to make him a squad member if they were planning to make him from the beginning?

I haven't seen the source myself, I didn't want to spoil any plot lines, but from what I've heard, the guy is integral to the plot of the story, so there's no way he won't be in the game if you don't have the DLC. The DLC makes him recruitable and offers a few sidequests.

I may be completely wrong, so correct me if I am.

I have seen the source and it is more or less "he is prothean and therefore vital to the plot"

There is nothing more than that.

The character is important to the game, but he isn't important as a squad mate. The guy will be in the game regardless, the only difference the DLC will make is wether you can take him on missions with you.

Doesn't really seem that bad to me.

Rancid0ffspring:

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

Rancid0ffspring:

Seriously dude! WHAT THE FUCK?

Thanks. Thank you very fucking much! I had no idea about that. Learn to use god dam spoilers!

People like you infuriate me as you have no consideration for people that have avoided spoilers like the plague.

"Oh look, a thread about ME3. Huh. OP posted a video. The guy in the video warns about spoilers. The OP warns about spoilers. People are obviously discussing the Mass Effect storyline in some detail here. I dont want to read any ME spoilers though. Do I

a) leave the thread and thus avoid possible spoilers or

b) act like a dumbass and read the thread anyway, then START SHOUTING AND THROWING AROUND INSULTS WHEN SOMEONE SPOILS SOMETHING WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT?

I MEAN, IF THERE WERE AT LEAST SOME WARNING SIGNS IN THIS THREAD OR SOMETHING. BUT THAT CAME OUT OF NOWHERE."

Yes, I came into this thread to see why the OP wasn't going to buy ME3. The Op that had the decency to use a spoiler which I was smart enough to avoid.

Until you started with your "HEY EVERYONE YOU GET A PROTHEAN" Nothing had been spoiled.

Again. Learn the use of spoilers! Where's the insults? "WHAT THE FUCK?" More of an exclamation that you'd done goofed. I said people like you infuriate me.

For calling me a dumbass, here's an insult for you... Go fuck yourself CUNT!

Well, looking back, there were three people who mentioned the prothean DLC before me without using spoiler tags. So yeah. I dunno.

But thanks, I was just about to go fuck myself. Unfortunately I am male and not female, so I will have to do so without a cunt. Very kind of you to encourage me like that though. May I invite you to cheer me on over Skype?

Daystar Clarion:

Draech:

Daystar Clarion:

I haven't seen the source myself, I didn't want to spoil any plot lines, but from what I've heard, the guy is integral to the plot of the story, so there's no way he won't be in the game if you don't have the DLC. The DLC makes him recruitable and offers a few sidequests.

I may be completely wrong, so correct me if I am.

I have seen the source and it is more or less "he is prothean and therefore vital to the plot"

There is nothing more than that.

The character is important to the game, but he isn't important as a squad mate. The guy will be in the game regardless, the only difference the DLC will make is wether you can take him on missions with you.

Doesn't really seem that bad to me.

I have not seen that part. If you can guide me to that ill appreciated it, but in both cases as far as I can see people are whining because "he is prothean therefore he is vital".

I want to see where the info that he is vital is. The fact that he is prothean isn't a good enough reason to claim him being vital. Protheans were demystified in the first and second game (avoiding spoilers). Now they are just another race really. I can make up 2 plot lines in 5 mins where he isn't a vital part of the plot.

Daystar Clarion:

Draech:

Daystar Clarion:

I haven't seen the source myself, I didn't want to spoil any plot lines, but from what I've heard, the guy is integral to the plot of the story, so there's no way he won't be in the game if you don't have the DLC. The DLC makes him recruitable and offers a few sidequests.

I may be completely wrong, so correct me if I am.

I have seen the source and it is more or less "he is prothean and therefore vital to the plot"

There is nothing more than that.

The character is important to the game, but he isn't important as a squad mate. The guy will be in the game regardless, the only difference the DLC will make is wether you can take him on missions with you.

Doesn't really seem that bad to me.

Its still bad, the character DLC was leaked about nine months ago, during the development cycle. They decided to cut the feature from the game. The whole thing is so deliberate it is sickening. Why do you think the decided to make the Prothean a DLC squad member? They knew he would sell more than any other type of character they could think of, simply because he is a Prothean.

Its not the worst thing to happen, but if this scam ends up getting EA enough money there is going to be more of this bullshit in the future.

Rancid0ffspring:

SmashLovesTitanQuest:
Well, looking back, there were three people who mentioned the prothean DLC before me without using spoiler tags. So yeah. I dunno.

But thanks, I was just about to go fuck myself. Unfortunately I am male and not female, so I will have to do so without a cunt. Very kind of you to encourage me like that though. May I invite you to cheer me on over Skype?

I anticipated this rather poor defense

Fishyash:
I have always been fascinated with the protheans, and I don't want to pay $10 just to find out about them.

I don't know if I will still be buying the game, I am glad I didn't bother pre-ordering it though. I will definitely not be buying the DLC though, and I will just hope we can see some more protheans in the actual game

Smertnik:
Yeah, the Prothean DLC thing bugs me as well.

And your post....

SmashLovesTitanQuest:
The DLC character is a FUCKING PROTHEAN. A LIVING, BREATHING PROTHEAN THAT JOINS YOUR PARTY.

Notice any difference?

It's Mass Effect there's always going to be mention of the Protheans. They are a massive part of the mythos. The 2 prior posts mentioned some Prothean DLC. Oh so you visit a another Prothean world in Mass Effect? You go on a mission that allows you to discover more about them? Yeah, I'd have been happy to imagine those two things but you had to broadcast it in CAPS so it couldn't be missed.

EDIT: You are a CUNT. You don't have one!

W-what? Im... Im a cunt? Why would you say that?!?!? I am so hurt. I thought we had something special going on. I mean, fuck. This changes everything.

Im going to go drink 2 bottles of wine and down a packet of sleeping pills. I mean, some guy on these forums thinks im a cunt. What should I do? Life is just not worth living anymore... Farewell cruel world. Clearly, I give so much of a fuck about what Rancid thinks of me. I cant go on.

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

Rancid0ffspring:

SmashLovesTitanQuest:
Well, looking back, there were three people who mentioned the prothean DLC before me without using spoiler tags. So yeah. I dunno.

But thanks, I was just about to go fuck myself. Unfortunately I am male and not female, so I will have to do so without a cunt. Very kind of you to encourage me like that though. May I invite you to cheer me on over Skype?

I anticipated this rather poor defense

Fishyash:
I have always been fascinated with the protheans, and I don't want to pay $10 just to find out about them.

I don't know if I will still be buying the game, I am glad I didn't bother pre-ordering it though. I will definitely not be buying the DLC though, and I will just hope we can see some more protheans in the actual game

Smertnik:
Yeah, the Prothean DLC thing bugs me as well.

And your post....

SmashLovesTitanQuest:
The DLC character is a FUCKING PROTHEAN. A LIVING, BREATHING PROTHEAN THAT JOINS YOUR PARTY.

Notice any difference?

It's Mass Effect there's always going to be mention of the Protheans. They are a massive part of the mythos. The 2 prior posts mentioned some Prothean DLC. Oh so you visit a another Prothean world in Mass Effect? You go on a mission that allows you to discover more about them? Yeah, I'd have been happy to imagine those two things but you had to broadcast it in CAPS so it couldn't be missed.

EDIT: You are a CUNT. You don't have one!

W-what? Im... Im a cunt? Why would you say that?!?!? I am so hurt. I thought we had something special going on. I mean, fuck. This changes everything.

Im going to go drink 2 bottles of wine and down a packet of sleeping pills. I mean, some guy on these forums thinks im a cunt. What should I do? Life is just not worth living anymore... Farewell cruel world. Clearly, I give so much of a fuck about what Rancid thinks of me. I cant go on.

You fucked something up for me!

Look, I'm just pissed at you for giving out a massive spoiler that could have been avoided!

I don't care about insulting you, I just needed to vent. I know how the internet works. I'm not a real person to you & your not a real person to me.

In future, try to be a bit more considerate before you start broadcasting MASSIVE SPOILERS....

Who'm I kidding. This won't change a thing!

Jaric93:
I loved Mass Effect, and Mass Effect 2 but after watching this video I have cancelled my pre-order ...

waste. so in order to make a "point" you are going to just completely ignore the series wrap up. you know who loses there? Hint, hint: it isn't EA or Bioware.

Rancid0ffspring:
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Look, im sorry dude. (No sarcasm here.) I know how it feels. But there were big fat flashing warning signs all around the thread. I just assumed anyone visiting this thread would already know, since gaming sites everywhere have been exploding with the news, including this one, and the thread was about the leak.

Anyway, I went back and spoilered my original post, even though its to late. I promise, from now on, I will be even more cautious regarding spoilers, and you remember this and be more careful too.

SirBryghtside:
Bear in mind that Smash has read the leaked dialogue. He has more authority on this than anyone.

<--- has read the leaked dialog myself.

the Prothean is EASILY replaceable with another prothean VI or ANY NUMBER of tings.

I had already decided to not purchase the game once it had been announced as an Origin exclusive, which was a bad business move in and of itself. It seems as if EA is deliberately trying to lose customers at this point.

Atlas:
I had already decided to not purchase the game once it had been announced as an Origin exclusive, which was a bad business move in and of itself. It seems as if EA is deliberately trying to lose customers at this point.

Actually EA would put thier games back on Steam is Steam's DLC policy didnt blow so much.

Minecraft creator Notch cant put Minecraft on Steam becuase of it eiather.

In Response to OP:

While I find the "From Ashes" DLC a little disappointing, I also some other issues with it. The presence of an existing prothean basically would render all the struggles that my Shepard has gone through worthless (from an in-universe point). Basically why did I have to chase down Saren, when I could have simply dug up "Prothy" and simply presented him to the council.

While I have already pre-ordered the game, and I do intend to keep, I think I can afford to wait for a DLC sale or discount. After all why spend $10 on a DLC, when Deus EX is on sale for the same price.

The reason i will not buy this game is in short being forced to log in Origin. Steam is the only one that got away with stuff like that and that was back in 2005, worked great but i was not happy having to get steam to play HL2.

second point is i still have not forgiven EA for all the unpleasant things i had to do so i could finally play my 60$ c&c 4 only to discover it was *bad* *word*.

on the whole DLC issue that does not suprice me, they did same thing in Dragon age 2 "Sebastian" if anyone remembers. and only thing i can say vote with your wallet. remember EA is like your bank. they will do whatever they can get away with as long people are paying them for the crack cocaine of a game.

girzwald:
Bingo. I am in no way equivocating this but the principle is the same. That's how the civil rights movement got the "back of the bus" rule to go away. They GREATLY inconvenienced their lives to send a message to the bus companies. The bus companies that greatly depended on blacks paying bus fare to stay afloat. They tried reasoning with them, they tried being nice but they wouldn't budge. Because why did they care about the feelings of blacks as long as they kept paying the bus fare. So, they hit the bus companies the only place they would understand, their bottom line. They walked or carpooled to where they went.

The bus companies damn near went bankrupt, so they gave in. Not because they suddenly had a change of heart and thought to themselves "these people are really determined, maybe we are wrong". No, because they were losing money. And quite frankly, I don't care what any companies reason for eliminating their crappy DRM or crappy overpriced DLC, just so long as they do. They know we don't like it, but they don't care because tools keep shelling out their cash regardless.

I'd like to believe that, but I just don't. I've heard comparisons to the civil rights movement and the Montgomery bus boycott, but the situation isn't even remotely analogous. It's SO different.

It's also important to remember that the actions of Martin Luther King, Jr. and other civil rights leaders of the day were motivated by what would be politically expedient. Yes, they were concerned about taking the moral high ground too, since many of them hailed from church leadership. But the reason why they staged the Montgomery Bus Boycott is because they knew it would work.

They knew they had enough of a force at their command for it to actually mean something, and they also had already started to get their rights as a people recognized from a legal standpoint. Brown v. Board of Education had already happened by this point, which means that the Supreme Court *already* recognized the unconstitutionality of segregation, and all the institutions which still maintained segregated facilities were really just biding their time. They already commanded legal power, they commanded economic power, so they decided to leverage those to obtain the social power which had been denied them for almost a century.

Gamers who protest, say, restrictive DRM or shitty DLC that seems to have been cut from the original game, don't have any of those on their side. Whether we want to admit it or not, our squabble is a fairly trivial one. A big deal to us, but trivial in the big scheme of things. The "protest gamers" don't command enough economic power to drive any company near bankrupt (or even make a dent in their profits), nor are their rights backed by any kind of legal precedent. There just isn't much on their side.

If you choose to take the ethical high ground by protesting against a company's practices using "legitimate" measures, then good on you. That is a personal decision on your part and one you can feel proud of. But it is not logical to believe that your actions are effective as a means of compelling change.

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