Mass Effect 3 will be incomplete

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri0vrJ-y2zM&feature=g-u-u&context=G2d57caeFUAAAAAAAAAA

basically, an extremely vital part of the mass effect lore and story has been cut out and will be sold as dlc on launch day. it will be free if you have the collectors edition but everyone else will have to pay $10 for it. now im all for giving people a reason to buy a game new but this does the exact opposite. i have no reason to buy the game new anymore because just to get the complete story i will have to buy the dlc anyway. it just strikes me as a big "fuck you" to the fans. bravo, EA, bravo.

You realise there's something like three threads on this topic on the first page alone, right?

As for the actual subject...

We don't know what role the DLC character plays. How do you know he is a "vital part of the lore" any more than, say, Kasumi? All the angry guy in your absurdly long video says is, "He's a fucking Prothean!" Because that's all he knows about it.

Personally, I'll be getting it free with the special edition thingy anyway which, thanks to Australia's bizarre pricing, was cheaper for me than buying retail.

Zhukov:

We don't know what role the DLC character plays. How do you know he is a "vital part of the lore" any more than, say, Kasumi? All the guy in the video says is, "He's a fucking Prothean!" Because that's all he knows about it.

true, it is mostly speculation. but given the significance of that race to the story of the game and its lore, it seems like it would likely be a really important character and could provide a lot of answers. game companies have done shit like this before, like final fantasy 13-2 making one of the endings of the game, dlc

Considering how Bioware has done most of their character-related DLC lately (Dragon age, ME2, DA2 etc.) I think it is more or less safe to assume you'll get a character that contributes very little substanec to the actual plot but has a sidequest or two related to it and that can provide some extra line of lore/thematic dialogue under the right circumstances.

Keep in mind that neither Shale, Sebastian, Kasumi or Zaeed were super-duper special outside of their own side missions. In the case of Kasumi and Zaeed they were even more sloppily made then the rest of your crew. Shale was a golem (and your only golem companion), and I think it is safe to assume that our friend the prothean will be pretty much like Shale.

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Zhukov:

We don't know what role the DLC character plays. How do you know he is a "vital part of the lore" any more than, say, Kasumi? All the guy in the video says is, "He's a fucking Prothean!" Because that's all he knows about it.

true, it is mostly speculation. but given the significance of that race to the story of the game and its lore, it seems like it would likely be a really important character and could provide a lot of answers. game companies have done shit like this before, like final fantasy 13-2 making one of the endings of the game, dlc

or it could just be a great insight into what the universe use to be like and what mistakes the Protheans did when the Repears attacked them. We have no idea, I'm still going to get it even though I do 100% believe this is a money move. There is absolutely no reason they couldn't of included this in the game straight out of the box.

My understanding is that he will still be in the game, but the DLC will allow him to be part of your squad and give you an extra mission (or more).
Someone from Bioware also said that they started making the DLC after Mass Effect 3 had gone gold. This means it's not using up the development time, and basically gives Bioware something to do while they wait for Microsoft and Sony to test the actual game.
Thus, I have no problem with it.

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Zhukov:

We don't know what role the DLC character plays. How do you know he is a "vital part of the lore" any more than, say, Kasumi? All the guy in the video says is, "He's a fucking Prothean!" Because that's all he knows about it.

true, it is mostly speculation. but given the significance of that race to the story of the game and its lore, it seems like it would likely be a really important character and could provide a lot of answers. game companies have done shit like this before, like final fantasy 13-2 making one of the endings of the game, dlc

No, it's all speculation.

Why anyone would throw these childish online tantrums over purely speculative matters is a mystery to me.

Fucking gamers, man. Most entitled pack of whiners I've ever had the misfortune to encounter.

Zhukov:

Fucking gamers, man. Most entitled pack of whiners I've ever had the misfortune to encounter.

and here you are on a website filled with nothing but gamers. must be your own personal hell

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Zhukov:

Fucking gamers, man. Most entitled pack of whiners I've ever had the misfortune to encounter.

and here you are on a website filled with nothing but gamers. must be your own personal hell

At times. A certain attitude is required to make it bearable.

Besides, as always, there are a few grains of wheat among the mountainous piles of chaff.

Raognerrrm:
My understanding is that he will still be in the game, but the DLC will allow him to be part of your squad and give you an extra mission (or more).
Someone from Bioware also said that they started making the DLC after Mass Effect 3 had gone gold. This means it's not using up the development time, and basically gives Bioware something to do while they wait for Microsoft and Sony to test the actual game.
Thus, I have no problem with it.

This is what I assumed/heard as well. If this turns out not to be true, well... I'll be pissed. But I'll also be playing the Collectors Edition, so on a different level I won't care. :P

Zhukov:

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Zhukov:

We don't know what role the DLC character plays. How do you know he is a "vital part of the lore" any more than, say, Kasumi? All the guy in the video says is, "He's a fucking Prothean!" Because that's all he knows about it.

true, it is mostly speculation. but given the significance of that race to the story of the game and its lore, it seems like it would likely be a really important character and could provide a lot of answers. game companies have done shit like this before, like final fantasy 13-2 making one of the endings of the game, dlc

No, it's all speculation.

Why anyone would throw these childish online tantrums over purely speculative matters is a mystery to me.

Fucking gamers, man. Most entitled pack of whiners I've ever had the misfortune to encounter.

Because they are the 99%

boag:

Zhukov:

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true, it is mostly speculation. but given the significance of that race to the story of the game and its lore, it seems like it would likely be a really important character and could provide a lot of answers. game companies have done shit like this before, like final fantasy 13-2 making one of the endings of the game, dlc

No, it's all speculation.

Why anyone would throw these childish online tantrums over purely speculative matters is a mystery to me.

Fucking gamers, man. Most entitled pack of whiners I've ever had the misfortune to encounter.

Because they are the 99%

The 99% dicks.

Yeah it's annoying as hell, EA and Bioware suck and we should all hate them but there are already like 2 or 3 other threads on this and another one wasn't really required.

Although this is really damn annoying, im probably going to hold out on getting Mass effect 3 for now, did they ever release versions of Mass effect 1 and 2 that had all the DLC pakced in eventully like Oblivion and Fallout did? Cus I would prefer to just wait for one of those, but im not sure if EA does them.

Gethsemani:
Considering how Bioware has done most of their character-related DLC lately (Dragon age, ME2, DA2 etc.) I think it is more or less safe to assume you'll get a character that contributes very little substanec to the actual plot but has a sidequest or two related to it and that can provide some extra line of lore/thematic dialogue under the right circumstances.

Keep in mind that neither Shale, Sebastian, Kasumi or Zaeed were super-duper special outside of their own side missions. In the case of Kasumi and Zaeed they were even more sloppily made then the rest of your crew. Shale was a golem (and your only golem companion), and I think it is safe to assume that our friend the prothean will be pretty much like Shale.

That is an excellent point. Shale could have had a lot more plot significance. But no, Shale only had several lines to add to a later quest that revealed everything about golems anyway. The reason is that Shale didn't know anything. And we can safely say (or "speculate", if you wish) that the Promethean character may have little to no idea of what's going on or maybe cannot share the information for one reason or another.

Wait until the actual game is out or until we get some confirmation on this before you start crucifying people. Jesus Christ, this website has some of the biggest drama queens.

Michael Gamble:

- "From Ashes" includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase). Mass Effect 3 is a complete - and a huge game - right out of the box.

- The content in "From Ashes" was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/9403705

I'll just leave the official statement of Bioware here, despite people probably going to cry out that it is just lies and propaganda.

Don't see a problem with it.

I wouldn't want him in my team anyway.

GO GARRUS-WREX TEAM

Zhukov:

Fucking gamers, man. Most entitled pack of whiners I've ever had the misfortune to encounter.

Well bloody said.

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I've never heard so much simpering and bitching. Oh wait, I have. Constantly.
I'll say this simply and use small words.
If you don't like the DLC, don't bloody well buy it.
Stop fucking harping on about it. Get over yourselves and the issue.
In fact, it's barely an issue. People are blowing it out of proportion to make themselves feel important.
They can't even use it out of context because there is no context.

DoPo:
the Promethean character may have little to no idea of what's going on or maybe cannot share the information for one reason or another.

That's what I thought at 1st, that being in cryo will have damaged his memory or something so he can't tell you about the Protheans, (although at least we will now know what the look like) because if he was that good of a character, denying people the content would be too much of a dickish thing to do, but then I realized, actually no, there is really no limit to how much of a dick EA will be. But still people should wait to see if he is any good before getting too angry about it.

Zhukov:
You realise there's something like three threads on this topic on the first page alone, right?

As for the actual subject...

We don't know what role the DLC character plays. How do you know he is a "vital part of the lore" any more than, say, Kasumi? All the angry guy in your absurdly long video says is, "He's a fucking Prothean!" Because that's all he knows about it.

Personally, I'll be getting it free with the special edition thingy anyway which, thanks to Australia's bizarre pricing, was cheaper for me than buying retail.

I find it amusing that people think just because the character is Prothean that he/she will some how be super important. What if they are just a really lucky Prothean redneck janitor that survived all this time out of shear luck. Unlikely, I know but thinking that this some how changes the story is stupid.

The whole of the Prothean race couldn't not stop the Reapers I doubt 1 lone Prothaen is going to be a game changer.

A new character is not a vital part of the lore and story.

Another thread proving how self entitled some gamers are?

Right. I'm off too punch a badger.

"From Ashes" is optional. Completely. But in your case I'm starting to wonder if twisting words just to get people riled up was your goal in the first place.

WAAGH! Bioware is charging extra for DLC that was created after the game was sent for certification and therefore separately budgeted! WAAGH! EA is worse than Hitler! WAAGH! I know everything about this piece of content that I haven't seen a single screenshot of based on a single piece of leaked information! WAAGH! I'm entitled to get it for free, just because.

I really doubt that the Protean is going to be such an enormous deal in ME3 (sadly), otherwise they wouldn't have made it DLC (I'm going to have to trust Bioware on that). No doubt he's going to add a lot to the lore, but probably not that much to the actual story of ME3. Other than that, I'm getting CE, so I'm not bothered.

Ok, Really, the I doubt the Prothean will turn out to be some essential part of the story or W/E. More likely, it will be like the Back to Karkand BF3 DLC: A fan service. Its not necessary, its not 100% needed, it is cool to have if your a fan of the series and know the game and its lore - much like a collectors edition would be.

How much of a role the Prothean will play remains to be seen, but I remain highly sceptical that it is some all important piece of story or W/E, beyond a fan service.

Daystar Clarion:
Another thread proving how self entitled some gamers are?

Right. I'm off too punch a badger.

Save a badger.
Punch a self entitled twat instead.

Blunderboy:

Daystar Clarion:
Another thread proving how self entitled some gamers are?

Right. I'm off too punch a badger.

Save a badger.
Punch a self entitled twat instead.

It's okay, badgers are reknowned for their ability to take a punch to the face.

Self entitled twats tend to call the police.

Let me get this straight. Content is being removed for 10 extra dollars and the jury is in: It's okay because it's not vital? HUH!!!?

PLEASE DEFEND THE REMOVAL OF CONTENT NOT HOW INSIGNIFICANT YOU THINK IT IS.
I am sooooooooo tired of you guys mudding up the issue.

READ THIS IF YOU AREN'T AFRAID OF MASS EFFECT 3 SPOILERS!

Having read the spoilers in the leaked script (the actual proper leaked script, not the shockingly crappy draft) I can confirm that the arguments about the Prothean being super important and essential to the plot are false.
In the original draft, he was central to the story. However in the actual script of the game his role has been decreased dramatically, to the point that there is virtually no difference between a game that DOES have him and a game that DOESN'T. To put it simply he is no longer key to the plot, and the plot goes along perfectly well without him being in it at all.
The only thing that happens if you download him is you get an additional mission and then he's a squadmate, that's it. He has no vital intel or central conflict that the game would be lost without, just a minor mission that has little to no bearing on the actual story itself and after that he, like Zaeed and Kasumi before him, just exists on the ship with nothing more to say to you.
He is not 'removed' content, he is 'tacked on' content.
Hell, I'll give you a little fun fact about his DLC mission:


That's one of the benefits of being a poster on BSN, if you can wade through the creepiness, you find out new news about Mass Effect 3 faster. It also gives you perspective on what to be pissed off about and what to dismiss as 'nothing worth worrying about' and if you ask me, while Bioware are in the naughty stool for me for a lot relating to Mass Effect 3, this isn't one of them.
Bioware redesigning established female characters just to give them sex appeal? That's something to be pissed about. Bioware relying on gimmicks to market the game? That's something to be pissed about. Bioware adding an IGN reviewer to the cast in Mass Effect 3? Something to be pissed about (arguably). Bioware still not giving any info about whether or not they've given the approval to the Play Arts Kai line of action figures? Something to be pissed about (though I would be shocked if they didn't approve of them, they look great).

Bioware making a day one DLC be a bonus mission and squadmate that has no bearing on the game story whatsoever? Not something to be pissed about. If you want, you can be pissed that Bioware decided to add something to the story that should be important but turned it into a gimmick, or pissed that Bioware would make a dumb decision like adding a prothean to the plot in the first place (I think it's dumb anyway). All I'm saying is, do a little research first and know what should and shouldn't be hated on.

Zaeed and Kasumi were hollow and sloppily implemented compared to the vanilla crew, I imagine this prothean squadmate will follow the same formula...particularily since Bioware admitted that the whole concept was a post-gold afterthough. I don't think I will be missing anything important or interesting by not purchasing this somewhat manipulative DLC.

Just further proves how shitty EA is.

Zeel:
Let me get this straight. Content is being removed for 10 extra dollars and the jury is in: It's okay because it's not vital? HUH!!!?

PLEASE DEFEND THE REMOVAL OF CONTENT NOT HOW INSIGNIFICANT YOU THINK IT IS.
I am sooooooooo tired of you guys mudding up the issue.

It's not being removed. It's being added.
Please stop making issues up.

Higgs303:
Zaeed and Kasumi were hollow and sloppily implemented compared to the vanilla crew, I imagine this prothean squadmate will follow the same formula...particularily since Bioware admitted that the whole concept was a post-gold afterthough. I don't think I will be missing anything important or interesting by not purchasing this somewhat manipulative DLC.

you realize the difference is Zaeed was free with any purchase?
The prothean costs 10 dollars. Who cares how insignificant it is. They are hacking off games to squeeze more money out of you.

Zhukov:

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Zhukov:

We don't know what role the DLC character plays. How do you know he is a "vital part of the lore" any more than, say, Kasumi? All the guy in the video says is, "He's a fucking Prothean!" Because that's all he knows about it.

true, it is mostly speculation. but given the significance of that race to the story of the game and its lore, it seems like it would likely be a really important character and could provide a lot of answers. game companies have done shit like this before, like final fantasy 13-2 making one of the endings of the game, dlc

No, it's all speculation.

Why anyone would throw these childish online tantrums over purely speculative matters is a mystery to me.

Fucking gamers, man. Most entitled pack of whiners I've ever had the misfortune to encounter.

I know, right? How dare the demand value for their money and condemn shameful business practices! Bunch of dicks.

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