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SajuukKhar:

Zeel:

LordFisheh:
Now I'm just saying, it seems a lot of people in this thread look more like they want reasons to be angry at Bioware, rather than seeing something that genuinely makes them rage. Indignant anger is a pretty fun emotion, or I know it is for me. Why don't we actually wait to see how the Prothean plays and how important his story is before lynching The Man?

Oh yes. So our anger is not valid it's "indignant". If you do not see the problem with hacking off essential characters in the game. I have no more words for you.

The thing is he isn't essential, and he is still in the game regardless.

So its not a essential but he has to be in the game anyways? Me thinks its not like Zaeed or kasumi at-fucking all.

Zeel:

SajuukKhar:

Zeel:

Oh yes. So our anger is not valid it's "indignant". If you do not see the problem with hacking off essential characters in the game. I have no more words for you.

The thing is he isn't essential, and he is still in the game regardless.

So its not a essential but he has to be in the game anyways? Me thinks its not like Zaeed or kasumi at-fucking all.

Let me be more clear, he is not essential to te plot in that he needs to be recruitable to get all the information he would give out of him.

Zeel:

tony2077:

Zeel:

If your only argument is: Is the game still playable. Then there is nothing to discuss here. If all you care about is How playable it is, then this is obviously not an issue to you. I care about the quality of the product and when important characters are being removed, quality is suspect.

Plus Ashley/Kaidan are pretty damn important to me3. Characters can have a huge importance to the game, you're naive to think elsewise. Unless importance only means playable, which then, there is nothing to discuss.

they may be important but this one dlc character isn't i can't see why that is so hard to understand

because all the evidence is on my side, Anthony.

No.

No it doesn't.

You seem to be confusing the idea of the Prothean as a character and the Prothean as a squadmate.

The Prothean as a character? Important. Vital to the plot.

The Prothean as a squadmate? Something extra that can be purchased via DLC. Doesn't affect the overall plot or ending of the game either way.

The CHARACTER is important to the game. Not the DLC.

anthony87:

Zeel:

tony2077:
they may be important but this one dlc character isn't i can't see why that is so hard to understand

because all the evidence is on my side, Anthony.

No.

No it doesn't.

You seem to be confusing the idea of the Prothean as a character and the Prothean as a squadmate.

The Prothean as a character? Important. Vital to the plot.

The Prothean as a squadmate? Something extra that can be purchased via DLC. Doesn't affect the overall plot or ending of the game either way.

The CHARACTER is important to the game. Not the DLC.

i don't think there even all that important anymore since we know that there tech is reaper tech unless they made a weapon and hid it somewhere other then the keeper code thing

Zeel:

LordFisheh:
Now I'm just saying, it seems a lot of people in this thread look more like they want reasons to be angry at Bioware, rather than seeing something that genuinely makes them rage. Indignant anger is a pretty fun emotion, or I know it is for me. Why don't we actually wait to see how the Prothean plays and how important his story is before lynching The Man?

Oh yes. So our anger is not valid it's "indignant". If you do not see the problem with hacking off essential characters in the game. I have no more words for you.

As I said, let's wait to see if he even is essential first. Trust me, if he turns out to be, I'll be a pissed as everyone else. But right now it looks like people are working themselves up out of a desire to hate on Bioware, EA and The Man. We only have vague information, not even from Bioware itself. This could be half the story missing, or it could be another Zaeed.

tony2077:

anthony87:

Zeel:

because all the evidence is on my side, Anthony.

No.

No it doesn't.

You seem to be confusing the idea of the Prothean as a character and the Prothean as a squadmate.

The Prothean as a character? Important. Vital to the plot.

The Prothean as a squadmate? Something extra that can be purchased via DLC. Doesn't affect the overall plot or ending of the game either way.

The CHARACTER is important to the game. Not the DLC.

i don't think there even all that important anymore since we know that there tech is reaper tech unless they made a weapon and hid it somewhere other then the keeper code thing

But you DO understand what I mean when I say that the "character" is important while the "squadmate" isn't right?

Getting this across to Zeel is harder than teaching algebra to a brick wall.

Hes an optional character with no real stake in the story. Sure, it would be nice for everyone to have him, but its not the end of the world.

You wanna know what i really think about this topic? "Oh well."
Its not like theyre holding character customization hostage, or telling you half the game is locked away.

Its like Kasumi, and Zaeed. To be honest, i didnt give a half a sh*t about them. I never used Zaeed, because i didnt care for his character, and between Garrus, Tali and Grunt, i dont need any other role type to fill out my group.

If your a real Mass Effect fanboy, chances are your getting the collectors edition any. If your a Mass Effect fanboy and you arnt getting it, your STILL going to shell out money for the DLC, because you have to know the back-story to it.

All this complaining over something that isnt really effecting the game to not have a Completely optional character. Your still going to get the same story. Your going to get the same choices. Your still going to sleep with half a dozen different alien species. The game isnt "Devalued" nor is it "incomplete".

While i love TB, and have been subscribed to his channel FOREVER, he has the problem of being a bit whiny sometimes when not everything is perfectly his way. While i agree its not "good practice" to bring out DLC on release, its their product, and they have the right to do what they want with it.

His two recent standings ive seen nothing more then just pointless whining in. If you dont want to shell out for DLC, dont buy it. If you dont or cant play a game on PC because of FOV problems, play it on console. The world wont end because you have to pick up a controller and push the power button on your 360/ps3.

anthony87:

tony2077:

anthony87:

No.

No it doesn't.

You seem to be confusing the idea of the Prothean as a character and the Prothean as a squadmate.

The Prothean as a character? Important. Vital to the plot.

The Prothean as a squadmate? Something extra that can be purchased via DLC. Doesn't affect the overall plot or ending of the game either way.

The CHARACTER is important to the game. Not the DLC.

i don't think there even all that important anymore since we know that there tech is reaper tech unless they made a weapon and hid it somewhere other then the keeper code thing

But you DO understand what I mean when I say that the "character" is important while the "squadmate" isn't right?

Getting this across to Zeel is harder than teaching algebra to a brick wall.

you could teach it to a break wall since it'd stay there unlike with zeel and in one ear and out the other

anthony87:

No.

No it doesn't.

You seem to be confusing the idea of the Prothean as a character and the Prothean as a squadmate.

The Prothean as a character? Important. Vital to the plot.

The Prothean as a squadmate? Something extra that can be purchased via DLC. Doesn't affect the overall plot or ending of the game either way.

The CHARACTER is important to the game. Not the DLC.

Ah. Full circle now. I hope anyone reading this thread can just see how quickly they change their stance.

1. Not vital.
2. not significant
3. Little impact.
4. Wont change ending.
5. Important but not necessary.
6. Important but extra ability inconsequential to plot.

Applause. You go dayonedlc side. You guys are certainly getting there, just not in the way that you think.

My guess for 7. Impact not as big as other squademates.

I called it first.

They didn't change their stance...

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

Yopaz:

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

Um... What? Sorry dude, still not feeling it.

My posts imply there is a certain standard that makes a game worth whatever you pay for it. People are getting a rotten deal with ME3, thats all I am saying. I dont understand how the hell you read my posts and came out of it with that conclusion.

We deserve something when we shell out 60 bucks for a game. We deserve a functional, fun experience, and we deserve not to be treated like thieves. Entitled? Yes, of course I am entitled, and I have every right to be. Its my money EA are getting. (or rather, not getting, in this particular case.)

Since when is expecting a product to fulfill a certain standard a bad thing? That notion is extremely backward.

Its weird how this prothean dude appeared in numerous leaks over the last few months despite being something the team only worked on to bridge the gap to release, isnt it? The protheans must be more advanced than previous games implied, since that particular one seems to have gained the ability to travel through time.

Well, you do in fact get a fully functional game for the price of 60 bucks. You get the full game for a price of 60 bucks. Those who buy the collector's edition get extra content and that's not unheard of. They get some side quests and an extra squad member.
Those who don't buy the collector's edition wont miss out on it if they want it. They can still get it if they feel like it. Bioware has confirmed this will not be a huge part of the story so that's bullshit. This isn't really a big deal. Sure. it's not nice, but this isn't something you haven't seen before. It's just the first time (as I know at least) you see the collector's edition's extra content also released as DLC.

Going blindly by Biowares word is unwise. I have read the leaks, the character is major. Dont believe me? Read the leaks yourself, or wait until the game comes out and see for yourself.

Theres not much left to say really.

Sure. it's not nice, but this isn't something you haven't seen before.

Unfortunately, it is not, but it should be, and I can only hope this does not become a new industry standard. In light of this and a few other DLCs from other publishers, what people used to say in a joking fashion is now becoming reality.

"One of these days they will start cutting out the endings of games or complete story lines and demand more money for them, haha!" And here we are.

And please, dont give me this "B-b-b-but they worked on him in the time between the sent out the complete version of the game and the release!" bullshit. It has been known for about half a year now that there will be a recruit able prothean. His story line was completed before the first xbox live slip up.

idarkphoenixi:
Not that I was going to suck up to EA by using their crappy 'Origin' service anyway...but this gives me even less incentive to go buy it.

Not everybody can be expected to splash out on a pre-order, so what happens to everybody else? They're getting punished for being late. I'll stick with Skyrim thanks, at least that game has value.

I wonder how these hardcore Bioware fans would have reacted if Bethesda had cut Alduin out of the game and sold him as DLC.

From what I have heard the character will still be in the game and the story elements connected to him will still be resolved even if you shell out for the DLC or not. So all you miss out on is a character and a few sidequests. However that was from Bioware again. You obviously know more than them. You have read leaks on the internet so you can't be wrong. If it bothers you so much that you'll miss a few fractions of story connected to the side quests don't buy the game and miss out on all of the story. That sounds like a fair exchange.

Zeel:
Applause. You go dayonedlc side. You guys are certainly getting there, just not in the way that you think.

My guess for 7. Impact not as big as other squademates.

I called it first.

Generally speaking, if you scream loud enough and long enough at people, they'll just start agreeing with you in the hopes you'll shut up and go away. This is a pretty common phenomenon. Persistence + volume will win you arguments against most sane individuals, because after a while they'll just have had all they can stand.

BloatedGuppy:

Zeel:
Applause. You go dayonedlc side. You guys are certainly getting there, just not in the way that you think.

My guess for 7. Impact not as big as other squademates.

I called it first.

Generally speaking, if you scream loud enough and long enough at people, they'll just start agreeing with you in the hopes you'll shut up and go away. This is a pretty common phenomenon. Persistence + volume will win you arguments against most sane individuals, because after a while they'll just have had all they can stand.

after a while we get tired of bashing our heads against a breakwall

BloatedGuppy:

Zeel:
Applause. You go dayonedlc side. You guys are certainly getting there, just not in the way that you think.

My guess for 7. Impact not as big as other squademates.

I called it first.

Generally speaking, if you scream loud enough and long enough at people, they'll just start agreeing with you in the hopes you'll shut up and go away. This is a pretty common phenomenon. Persistence + volume will win you arguments against most sane individuals, because after a while they'll just have had all they can stand.

notice I am not agreeing with even one of their points.

Plus; anyone can check for their selves how their position slowly changed. I like to think this was organic not just them going "enough of this". If it was the latter, they'd stop replying. You guys DONT HAVE TO REPLY.

Yopaz:
From what I have heard the character will still be in the game and the story elements connected to him will still be resolved even if you shell out for the DLC or not. So all you miss out on is a character and a few sidequests. However that was from Bioware again. You obviously know more than them. You have read leaks on the internet so you can't be wrong. If it bothers you so much that you'll miss a few fractions of story connected to the side quests don't buy the game and miss out on all of the story. That sounds like a fair exchange.

Set aside the sarcasm. As I said, I did read the leaks, and if you told me back then "This character is being cut out to be sold as DLC" I would have thought you were joking.

But this is obviously going nowhere, so lets just leave it at that. I will not buy the game and you will, we leave this discussion to rot or you start being reasonable. Easy.

Zeel:

BloatedGuppy:

Zeel:
Applause. You go dayonedlc side. You guys are certainly getting there, just not in the way that you think.

My guess for 7. Impact not as big as other squademates.

I called it first.

Generally speaking, if you scream loud enough and long enough at people, they'll just start agreeing with you in the hopes you'll shut up and go away. This is a pretty common phenomenon. Persistence + volume will win you arguments against most sane individuals, because after a while they'll just have had all they can stand.

notice I am not agreeing with even one of their points.

Plus; anyone can check for their selves how their position slowly changed. I like to think this was organic not just them going "enough of this". If it was the latter, they'd stop replying. You guys DONT HAVE TO REPLY.

i don't see anywhere we agree with you

Zeel:
notice I am not agreeing with even one of their points.

Plus; anyone can check for their selves how their position slowly changed. I like to think this was organic not just them going "enough of this". If it was the latter, they'd stop replying. You guys DONT HAVE TO REPLY.

Meh. It's the internet. People OFTEN come to forums to argue. They'll scour for controversial sounding threads and posts, and wade in to pick a fight. People get a thrill and a little endorphin kick out of righteous indignation. I presume you're aware of this, as your attitude towards the one issue you've been interested in discussing since joining these forums has been unrelentingly belligerent. You're picking fights in full knowledge of the fact it will provoke replies.

Zeel:

anthony87:

No.

No it doesn't.

You seem to be confusing the idea of the Prothean as a character and the Prothean as a squadmate.

The Prothean as a character? Important. Vital to the plot.

The Prothean as a squadmate? Something extra that can be purchased via DLC. Doesn't affect the overall plot or ending of the game either way.

The CHARACTER is important to the game. Not the DLC.

Ah. Full circle now. I hope anyone reading this thread can just see how quickly they change their stance.

1. Not vital.
2. not significant
3. Little impact.
4. Wont change ending.
5. Important but not necessary.
6. Important but extra ability inconsequential to plot.

Applause. You go dayonedlc side. You guys are certainly getting there, just not in the way that you think.

My guess for 7. Impact not as big as other squademates.

I called it first.

I didn't say any of those things in the list to you. What you and I were discussing before was about how you seem to think that the DLC is content removed whereas I think it's extra content for extra cost. My stance has always been that the character is important but the squadmate could possibly comparable to how you got Liara in the Shadow Broker DLC.

anthony87:

lacktheknack:

Aprilgold:

I just don't thinks there any way to downplay his existence near Shephard if he is part of their crew or on their ship without the media going "OH SHIT SON!" Its such a big plot point of the series, that if it isn't played up on right then it will look cheap and tacky on EA's side.

Well, I'm hearing that he exists in the game anyways, the DLC just makes him a squad member.

That kind of fixes everything, doesn't it?

See this is what I thought too. From what I've heard it sounds comparable to Liara with the Shadow Broker DLC. She's in the game anyway and interacts with Sheppard. DLC adds her as a squadmate and gives a new mission. Main story isn't affected at all.

See?

Ah Christ, the fires are picking up again

Vrex360:

READ THIS IF YOU AREN'T AFRAID OF MASS EFFECT 3 SPOILERS!

Having read the spoilers in the leaked script (the actual proper leaked script, not the shockingly crappy draft) I can confirm that the arguments about the Prothean being super important and essential to the plot are false.
In the original draft, he was central to the story. However in the actual script of the game his role has been decreased dramatically, to the point that there is virtually no difference between a game that DOES have him and a game that DOESN'T. To put it simply he is no longer key to the plot, and the plot goes along perfectly well without him being in it at all.
The only thing that happens if you download him is you get an additional mission and then he's a squadmate, that's it. He has no vital intel or central conflict that the game would be lost without, just a minor mission that has little to no bearing on the actual story itself and after that he, like Zaeed and Kasumi before him, just exists on the ship with nothing more to say to you.
He is not 'removed' content, he is 'tacked on' content.
Hell, I'll give you a little fun fact about his DLC mission:


That's one of the benefits of being a poster on BSN, if you can wade through the creepiness, you find out new news about Mass Effect 3 faster. It also gives you perspective on what to be pissed off about and what to dismiss as 'nothing worth worrying about' and if you ask me, while Bioware are in the naughty stool for me for a lot relating to Mass Effect 3, this isn't one of them.
Bioware redesigning established female characters just to give them sex appeal? That's something to be pissed about. Bioware relying on gimmicks to market the game? That's something to be pissed about. Bioware adding an IGN reviewer to the cast in Mass Effect 3? Something to be pissed about (arguably). Bioware still not giving any info about whether or not they've given the approval to the Play Arts Kai line of action figures? Something to be pissed about (though I would be shocked if they didn't approve of them, they look great).

Bioware making a day one DLC be a bonus mission and squadmate that has no bearing on the game story whatsoever? Not something to be pissed about. If you want, you can be pissed that Bioware decided to add something to the story that should be important but turned it into a gimmick, or pissed that Bioware would make a dumb decision like adding a prothean to the plot in the first place (I think it's dumb anyway). All I'm saying is, do a little research first and know what should and shouldn't be hated on.

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

Yopaz:
From what I have heard the character will still be in the game and the story elements connected to him will still be resolved even if you shell out for the DLC or not. So all you miss out on is a character and a few sidequests. However that was from Bioware again. You obviously know more than them. You have read leaks on the internet so you can't be wrong. If it bothers you so much that you'll miss a few fractions of story connected to the side quests don't buy the game and miss out on all of the story. That sounds like a fair exchange.

Set aside the sarcasm. As I said, I did read the leaks, and if you told me back then "This character is being cut out to be sold as DLC" I would have thought you were joking.

But this is obviously going nowhere, so lets just leave it at that. I will not buy the game and you will, we leave this discussion to rot or you start being reasonable. Easy.

Read my posts. I have never EVER said that the character wasn't tied to the story. I said that Bioware said that the story connected to him will still be intact and the difference is that you'll miss out on side quests and having the character in your squad.

Also I must say that I hope it's irony when you ask me to be reasonable. I say Bioware states that the story will be intact. You state that it wont be. You base that statement on nothing but some leaked story that no-one can say will be in both version of the game or not since so far no-one has played it. If it is like you say that they have removed important story then that is one of the shadiest moves they have come up with. Now considering this is EA that is saying something. Also I do agree that their reason for why it's not included in the normal version is bullshit.

Zeel:

BloatedGuppy:

Zeel:
Applause. You go dayonedlc side. You guys are certainly getting there, just not in the way that you think.

My guess for 7. Impact not as big as other squademates.

I called it first.

Generally speaking, if you scream loud enough and long enough at people, they'll just start agreeing with you in the hopes you'll shut up and go away. This is a pretty common phenomenon. Persistence + volume will win you arguments against most sane individuals, because after a while they'll just have had all they can stand.

notice I am not agreeing with even one of their points.

Plus; anyone can check for their selves how their position slowly changed. I like to think this was organic not just them going "enough of this". If it was the latter, they'd stop replying. You guys DONT HAVE TO REPLY.

I think you were the one screaming in that scenario actually. Honestly I'm impressed by Zeel's willfull ignorance. That takes a whole lot of covering your ears and going "lalalalala". Its been like 8 pages! Congrats.

I agree with Anthony87. Its not the end of the world and really its just a squadmate. The bigger concern and annoyance to me is really the different bonuses you get from buying it from different locations. While right now its just some armor or a weapon, I don't like the road that this could easily go down. Of course I have ordered the SE so I'm gravy.

00slash00:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri0vrJ-y2zM&feature=g-u-u&context=G2d57caeFUAAAAAAAAAA

basically, an extremely vital part of the mass effect lore and story has been cut out and will be sold as dlc on launch day. it will be free if you have the collectors edition but everyone else will have to pay $10 for it. now im all for giving people a reason to buy a game new but this does the exact opposite. i have no reason to buy the game new anymore because just to get the complete story i will have to buy the dlc anyway. it just strikes me as a big "fuck you" to the fans. bravo, EA, bravo.

it is unbelievable how pissed off, i mean reactionary people are about this. it is 10 freaking dollars and for the most part prior ME DLCs have been fantastic and worth the money -- overlord, kasumi: stolen memory, lair of the shadow broker. i even liked zaeed because his inferno grendae was fucking awesome. i was less impressed with arrival because choice, which is supposed to be a major part of the ME series, had no effect on the outcome.

fans of the series who have played since the beginning will get ME3 regardless and will in all likelihood also get the DLC. i know i will, because having that creature around seems pretty bad ass to me and to see how Bioware explains how this particular squad mate is even around.

(doing my best as vague and spoiler free as possible)

pixiejedi:

Zeel:

BloatedGuppy:

Generally speaking, if you scream loud enough and long enough at people, they'll just start agreeing with you in the hopes you'll shut up and go away. This is a pretty common phenomenon. Persistence + volume will win you arguments against most sane individuals, because after a while they'll just have had all they can stand.

notice I am not agreeing with even one of their points.

Plus; anyone can check for their selves how their position slowly changed. I like to think this was organic not just them going "enough of this". If it was the latter, they'd stop replying. You guys DONT HAVE TO REPLY.

I think you were the one screaming in that scenario actually. Honestly I'm impressed by Zeel's willfull ignorance. That takes a whole lot of covering your ears and going "lalalalala". Its been like 8 pages! Congrats.

I agree with Anthony87. Its not the end of the world and really its just a squadmate. The bigger concern and annoyance to me is really the different bonuses you get from buying it from different locations. While right now its just some armor or a weapon, I don't like the road that this could easily go down. Of course I have ordered the SE so I'm gravy.

You guys are such jokes.

I point out that people are changing their stance and the reaction is
"Oh because we just dont want to argue anymore" = Solution stop arguing.

I point out again that I didn't change my stance
your reaction "because you're just willfully ignorant!!!!!!!!!1"
Ohhhhkay guys.

Keep trying to change the issue, i'm really impressed.

But but... They didn't change their stance! They just figured it's pointless to argue with you.

Zeel:

Blunderboy:

Zeel:
Let me get this straight. Content is being removed for 10 extra dollars and the jury is in: It's okay because it's not vital? HUH!!!?

PLEASE DEFEND THE REMOVAL OF CONTENT NOT HOW INSIGNIFICANT YOU THINK IT IS.
I am sooooooooo tired of you guys mudding up the issue.

It's not being removed. It's being added.
Please stop making issues up.

"Added" Does original development cycle mean a thing to you? But lets just say its being added for argument sakes; why are they charging us 10 dollars or an extra 20 dollars for content that didn't cost them an additional dime? Fair? Or unethical?

You clearly dont understand the issue.

Development for DLC doesnt cost a Dime?

I guess all those artists, writers and programmers do it for free.

Yopaz:
You base that statement on nothing but some leaked story that no-one can say will be in both version of the game or not since so far no-one has played it.

You do know that the game was leaked in an xbox live screw up and since then the game has been playable, with a few subtitles and facial textures missing, right?

Because thats what happened, and a bunch of people have played it.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/114063-Xbox-Live-Beta-Testers-Get-Accidental-Peek-at-Mass-Effect-3

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/114242-Mass-Effect-3-Story-Leaked-BioWare-Accepting-Feedback

Zeel:

pixiejedi:

Zeel:

notice I am not agreeing with even one of their points.

Plus; anyone can check for their selves how their position slowly changed. I like to think this was organic not just them going "enough of this". If it was the latter, they'd stop replying. You guys DONT HAVE TO REPLY.

I think you were the one screaming in that scenario actually. Honestly I'm impressed by Zeel's willfull ignorance. That takes a whole lot of covering your ears and going "lalalalala". Its been like 8 pages! Congrats.

I agree with Anthony87. Its not the end of the world and really its just a squadmate. The bigger concern and annoyance to me is really the different bonuses you get from buying it from different locations. While right now its just some armor or a weapon, I don't like the road that this could easily go down. Of course I have ordered the SE so I'm gravy.

You guys are such jokes.

I point out that people are changing their stance and the reaction is
"Oh because we just dont want to argue anymore" = Solution stop arguing.

I point out again that I didn't change my stance
your reaction "because you're just willfully ignorant!!!!!!!!!1"
Ohhhhkay guys.

Keep trying to change the issue, i'm really impressed.

i'm impressed even with facts you can't see past your over sized ego

00slash00:
true, it is mostly speculation. but given the significance of that race to the story of the game and its lore, it seems like it would likely be a really important character and could provide a lot of answers. game companies have done shit like this before, like final fantasy 13-2 making one of the endings of the game, dlc

No, stop!
You're assuming ontop of your speculation, just because he's prothean doesn't mean they will have major significance on the game not one bit.
Your OP was clearly hyping up something you don't even know is certified as fact, stop this shit right now.

Also it's not "incomplete" at all, again stop that.

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boag:

Vrex360:

READ THIS IF YOU AREN'T AFRAID OF MASS EFFECT 3 SPOILERS!

Having read the spoilers in the leaked script (the actual proper leaked script, not the shockingly crappy draft) I can confirm that the arguments about the Prothean being super important and essential to the plot are false.
In the original draft, he was central to the story. However in the actual script of the game his role has been decreased dramatically, to the point that there is virtually no difference between a game that DOES have him and a game that DOESN'T. To put it simply he is no longer key to the plot, and the plot goes along perfectly well without him being in it at all.
The only thing that happens if you download him is you get an additional mission and then he's a squadmate, that's it. He has no vital intel or central conflict that the game would be lost without, just a minor mission that has little to no bearing on the actual story itself and after that he, like Zaeed and Kasumi before him, just exists on the ship with nothing more to say to you.
He is not 'removed' content, he is 'tacked on' content.
Hell, I'll give you a little fun fact about his DLC mission:


That's one of the benefits of being a poster on BSN, if you can wade through the creepiness, you find out new news about Mass Effect 3 faster. It also gives you perspective on what to be pissed off about and what to dismiss as 'nothing worth worrying about' and if you ask me, while Bioware are in the naughty stool for me for a lot relating to Mass Effect 3, this isn't one of them.
Bioware redesigning established female characters just to give them sex appeal? That's something to be pissed about. Bioware relying on gimmicks to market the game? That's something to be pissed about. Bioware adding an IGN reviewer to the cast in Mass Effect 3? Something to be pissed about (arguably). Bioware still not giving any info about whether or not they've given the approval to the Play Arts Kai line of action figures? Something to be pissed about (though I would be shocked if they didn't approve of them, they look great).

Bioware making a day one DLC be a bonus mission and squadmate that has no bearing on the game story whatsoever? Not something to be pissed about. If you want, you can be pissed that Bioware decided to add something to the story that should be important but turned it into a gimmick, or pissed that Bioware would make a dumb decision like adding a prothean to the plot in the first place (I think it's dumb anyway). All I'm saying is, do a little research first and know what should and shouldn't be hated on.

I'm sorry if I've offended but I'm still really not seeing him be that important.

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

Yopaz:
You base that statement on nothing but some leaked story that no-one can say will be in both version of the game or not since so far no-one has played it.

You do know that the game was leaked in an xbox live screw up and since then the game has been playable, with a few subtitles and facial textures missing, right?

Because thats what happened, and a bunch of people have played it.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/114063-Xbox-Live-Beta-Testers-Get-Accidental-Peek-at-Mass-Effect-3

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/114242-Mass-Effect-3-Story-Leaked-BioWare-Accepting-Feedback

OK, you're clearly not reading my post. I KNOW that the story has been leaked. I have never denied it. All I am saying is that Bioware claims that the important story element connected to the character are intact, but you wont have him in your squad or get the sidequests. Neither of your links prove that wrong. Someone played the beta, sure, but a beta is not the same as the finished game. You got nothing that states the story will be incomplete so you are not being reasonable. It doesn't get any more simple than that.

Yopaz:

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

Yopaz:
You base that statement on nothing but some leaked story that no-one can say will be in both version of the game or not since so far no-one has played it.

You do know that the game was leaked in an xbox live screw up and since then the game has been playable, with a few subtitles and facial textures missing, right?

Because thats what happened, and a bunch of people have played it.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/114063-Xbox-Live-Beta-Testers-Get-Accidental-Peek-at-Mass-Effect-3

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/114242-Mass-Effect-3-Story-Leaked-BioWare-Accepting-Feedback

OK, you're clearly not reading my post. I KNOW that the story has been leaked. I have never denied it. All I am saying is that Bioware claims that the important story element connected to the character are intact, but you wont have him in your squad or get the sidequests. Neither of your links prove that wrong. Someone played the beta, sure, but a beta is not the same as the finished game. You got nothing that states the story will be incomplete so you are not being reasonable. It doesn't get any more simple than that.

Where does Bioware claim this?

Yopaz:

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

Yopaz:
You base that statement on nothing but some leaked story that no-one can say will be in both version of the game or not since so far no-one has played it.

You do know that the game was leaked in an xbox live screw up and since then the game has been playable, with a few subtitles and facial textures missing, right?

Because thats what happened, and a bunch of people have played it.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/114063-Xbox-Live-Beta-Testers-Get-Accidental-Peek-at-Mass-Effect-3

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/114242-Mass-Effect-3-Story-Leaked-BioWare-Accepting-Feedback

OK, you're clearly not reading my post. I KNOW that the story has been leaked. I have never denied it. All I am saying is that Bioware claims that the important story element connected to the character are intact, but you wont have him in your squad or get the sidequests. Neither of your links prove that wrong. Someone played the beta, sure, but a beta is not the same as the finished game. You got nothing that states the story will be incomplete so you are not being reasonable. It doesn't get any more simple than that.

So, we ignore the leaks because Bioware swore he wouldnt be central to the story, honest. Sounds alright. Not like Bioware has been untruthful before, right?

And they wonder why people might want to pirate their games instead of paying an obnoxious price for the full game, rather than just $60 for an incomplete version.

00slash00:

Zhukov:

We don't know what role the DLC character plays. How do you know he is a "vital part of the lore" any more than, say, Kasumi? All the guy in the video says is, "He's a fucking Prothean!" Because that's all he knows about it.

true, it is mostly speculation. but given the significance of that race to the story of the game and its lore, it seems like it would likely be a really important character and could provide a lot of answers. game companies have done shit like this before, like final fantasy 13-2 making one of the endings of the game, dlc

It's not even story DLC, it's just some side missions and a character. It's not gonna affect the game's final outcome.

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