Games where you are the bad guy (but don't know it)

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Korak the Mad:

Souplex:
Kirby: Any game in the series.
You're a cannibalistic, regicidal, mass murderer.

Kirby really is a horrible character, he eats you and then becomes you.

I'm pretty sure if "The Thing" and "The Blob" had a child, it would be Kirby.

This seems relevant.

Anyway OT mario i guess

I like to point out that you get bonus points in LA Noire for framing communists,anarchists, hobos and pedophiles for crimes they didn't commit.

Edit: BJ Blaczkowitz (spelling mistake guaranteed) is just a tad bit too enthusiastic about killing Nazis.


skip to 7 min mark

That's not what R&R should look like! Fighting Nazis is great and all, killing dudes shouldn't be your definition of a holyday!!

Vykrel:

Artorius:
Portal series comes to mind

wait... why Portal? you play as a woman who is just trying to escape from a maniacal robot that is forcing you to do dangerous tests in the hopes that they will eventually kill you. its like trying to escape from a concentration camp and being called a bad guy.

Guardian of Nekops:

Artorius:
Portal series comes to mind,
and Postal series also.
and Prototype, please the dude commits mass genocide.

In what way are you the bad guy in Portal and Portal 2?

I mean, you're basically a lab rat desperately trying to escape before you're killed. Again. And then brought back to life so that you can die some more. That's hardly evil... though if you have an amusing reason why it is I'd love to hear it.

okey take a look from it, in the eyes of GlaDOS. whom,have spent countless years doing scientific experiments, for SCIENCE.
but suddenly when a test subject goes renegade and destroys, all your accomplishments all your equipment,all of your hard work, ie pretty much what you stand for.

I mean, its like a lab rat going wild and destroying all lab result and equipment.and if it was a cancer research? wouldn't you call it evil if a lab rat causes a lab wild explosion and destroys years of hard work and results it provided.

perspective, people, perspective.
In your eyes you're fighting for your freedom,for your life. but from the eyes of GlaDOS you're a experiment gone wrong, who's destroying all of her hard work over the years. and kills her. if you don't call it evil. there won't be much left to be called evil.

Gears of War, if the COGs would just share the surface then there would be no need for all the fighting.

Legend of Zelda: Links Awakening. You spend the entire game trying to wake up the Windfish so you can get off Koholint Island. However, when you wake the Windfish you found out that the island is just a dream and is destroyed along with everything and everyone on it.

Artorius:
okey take a look from it, in the eyes of GlaDOS. whom,have spent countless years doing scientific experiments, for SCIENCE.
but suddenly when a test subject goes renegade and destroys, all your accomplishments all your equipment,all of your hard work, ie pretty much what you stand for.

I mean, its like a lab rat going wild and destroying all lab result and equipment.and if it was a cancer research? wouldn't you call it evil if a lab rat causes a lab wild explosion and destroys years of hard work and results it provided.

perspective, people, perspective.
In your eyes you're fighting for your freedom,for your life. but from the eyes of GlaDOS you're a experiment gone wrong, who's destroying all of her hard work over the years. and kills her. if you don't call it evil. there won't be much left to be called evil.

that still doesnt make sense. i mentioned concentration camps, so ill bring the holocaust up again as another example.

Hitler thought he was doing good by exterminating the Jews. the Jews disagreed and only wanted to survive, but from Hitler's perspective they were the bad guys. does this make sense to you?

think of it this way: if i was a little kid with a magnifying glass and i decided to use it to burn an ant under the magnified sunlight, simply because i was curious what would happen, is the ant bad for wanting to get away (maybe even biting me in the process)?

besides, at the end of Portal 2 glados did what she should have done from the beginning. she let Chell go.

I'm not too sure if this has been said yet, but the protagonist from Farcry 2 seems like a good contender, seeing as all your doing is destabalizing a already unstable nation, either in a fruitless conquest to kill 'the jackal' or to get pills for your malaria (although with the malaria you are giving people an out but not in the most legal of ways

Mario.
Killing the only one big dragon-koopa left.
Pretty evil according to me!

Raggedstar:
Hmm, no mention of Heavy Rain yet? One of your characters is the baddie. The reveal seemed rather rushed, but...there you go.

Beat me to it...... Pokemon could count you don't ask Pokemon if they want to spend the rest of their lives in your service.
10% of it beating other Pokemon up , and the other 90% in a ball.

ResonanceSD:
*looks around*

Can't believe I'm first to say this.

KOTOR! You're REVAN!

First thing I thought of when I saw this thread

Nier, definitely. Those who've completed the game know how it is. I won't spoil it for anyone though

Mister Mosquito

Dygen Entreri:

ResonanceSD:
*looks around*

Can't believe I'm first to say this.

KOTOR! You're REVAN!

First thing I thought of when I saw this thread

Barely counts because you can also be "Light Side" and fix everything.

Fable 3. You're the bratty younger sibling undermining your brother who is working tirelessly to save his country. Once you do become king/queen, you either let everyone die or everyone hates you even more than they hated Logan.

DioWallachia:
Blood:
I mean, how can this man who laughs like a mad man when he kill tons of zombies and sings "the best things in life are free" could EVER be a bad guy?? :D

Or some of his other songs, like the "I enjoy being a girl" song, whatever it's called, and:

Raindrops on roses, and whiskers on kittens,.
Bright copper kettles, and warm woolen mittens.
Brown paper packages, tied up with strings.
These are a few of my favourite things... what a crappy song!

But seriously, yes, Caleb is evil, and a vampire, but the real bad guy is the evil god thing he's going to kill. He spends most of his time (mind you, most) on killing zombies, cultists, and gargoyles.

AstylahAthrys:
Fable 3. You're the bratty younger sibling undermining your brother who is working tirelessly to save his country. Once you do become king/queen, you either let everyone die or everyone hates you even more than they hated Logan.

Or take a third option.
Money isn't hard to make.

Any Total War game, when you have acheived dominance by murdering all your enemies, have conquered the known world and crushed countless popular rebellions against you. Burn teh peasants, etc.

Greyah:

DioWallachia:
Blood:
I mean, how can this man who laughs like a mad man when he kill tons of zombies and sings "the best things in life are free" could EVER be a bad guy?? :D

Or some of his other songs, like the "I enjoy being a girl" song, whatever it's called, and:

Raindrops on roses, and whiskers on kittens,.
Bright copper kettles, and warm woolen mittens.
Brown paper packages, tied up with strings.
These are a few of my favourite things... what a crappy song!

But seriously, yes, Caleb is evil, and a vampire, but the real bad guy is the evil god thing he's going to kill. He spends most of his time (mind you, most) on killing zombies, cultists, and gargoyles.

A vampire? i dont remember being explicity said. He looks more like an Undead Cowboy who drinks blood because he is batshit insane and because it better than Kool-Aid

Scarim Coral:
Command and Conquer? I mean at least Kane wanted to save the Earth and actually do something about it unlike EDI who only interests is stopping him but not looking at the big picture (how to stop Tiberian).

No, the Brotherhood of Nod are actively spreading tiberium for financial gain,
and tiberium is extremely toxic to flora, fauna, and ruins the very soil.
The goodie/baddie is fairly obvious, and you choose which one you want, which is NOT what the OP was asking in this thread.

Street Fighter 2. Regardless of who you use, Shadowloo makes a boat load of money off the tournament and uses it to finance drug operations.

Crysis. Those poor Koreans, just doing there job and protecting their homeland from the evil international puppets lead by the devil American Empire.

Oh, and World of Warcraft.
The Baradin daily quests where you have to massacre the inhabitants of a village for no particular reason. I mean, the villagers are a mixture of Horde and Alliance who have overcome their differences and are living peacefully together. Then I get sent in to murder them and steal their fish!

Actually, 90% of WoW quests.
Wipe out a camp of Knolls who have done nothing wrong other than be born a Knoll.
WoW teaches kids that genocide is ok.

In the instance 'Escape from Durnhold Keep' some of the guards you murder even say "I was only doing my job". These poor guards simply wanted to stop you freeing the war criminal and known terrorist Thrall. They probably had wives and children!

First half of bioshock, yeah your being manipulated but still, for about half your doing his dirty work.

Looking at it a different way, it's pretty much impossible to play Prototype as the 'good guy' Alex Mercer claims he is in the cut scenes.

Assassin's Creed. You KNOW that plot twist is coming around again.

Zydrate:

Dygen Entreri:

ResonanceSD:
*looks around*

Can't believe I'm first to say this.

KOTOR! You're REVAN!

First thing I thought of when I saw this thread

Barely counts because you can also be "Light Side" and fix everything.

Still counts, because no matter what you still were the evil bad guy everyone was afraid of. You just didn't know it for most of the game. Revan started the war after becoming a Sith. Revan and Malak were the main bad guys for the whole story. Just cause you can fix everything at the end doesn't mean you weren't the bad guy without knowing it.

In a way, Altair in Assassin's Creed 1.
You believe you're 'peacekeeping' all game and taking out these violent individuals trying to start a war, then realise Al Mualim, your master, is actually the kingpin of them all. All of a sudden, you aren't a White Knight of vigilante justice; you're just a tool for his power struggles.

You cold, cold bastard.

Crusader Kings. It's all about the dynasty. At least, that's what your telling yourself as you have your mother assassinated to inherit her land.

sorry i slipped :(

Would persona 3 count because the main character at the end of the game * becomes a seal that's holding back a creature that's supposed bring about the end of the world. Buuuuuut, It turns out that the main character became the seal to keep the creature back until it was ready to perform its job. Annnnnd, secretly each and every person wants the world to end.*end spoiler*

Phoenix Wright,I find it kind of odd that every person he represents just happens to be innocent. What if most of the people he defends really did do it and are pulling an elaborate ruse Ala Matt Engaurde.His clients alter the crime scenes and pay off the witness(perjury seems to be little more than a slap on the wrist). After that the pick a person who was there/ they have a beef with and nudge the evidence so there is a possibility that it said person. After that let Phoenix pull his turnabout and voila your walking free. It nicely emphasis that idea that evidence is everything that the games hate by making you the biggest abuser of said evidence.

This would explain Phoenix's convoluted plan in Apollo Justice, after realizing that the above might have happened he loses faith in himself and therefore wants a jury so that if and when he does defend people he can have objective eyes discern the truth that he may not be able to see.

Maybe I'm just talking out of my ass.

I also dig Slowbeef's idea that Justin Baily Samus is a vallygirl home wrecker because it fits with the utter goofiness of that hack.

octafish:
Call of Duty 4. Price is a fucking War Criminal! Murdering prisoners should get him tried at the Hague. COD4 is bleak game, very bleak.

I feel like that was the reason why COD4 is the only good 'modern' Call of Duty because there was some moral ambiguity:

- The Americans are gung-ho and overly aggressive, invading a country just because its new leader is not an ally of the US and getting 50,000 marines and soldiers killed in the process
- The SAS were pretty brutal and underhanded in their tactics

OP:
Fallout: New Vegas did a pretty good job (especially in the DLCs) in pointing out why the player character was a scumbag, regardless of what decisions you made. Even good decisions often had long-term negative consequences.
In Dead Money, the villain calls you out for being just as greedy and shortsighted as he is, since you willingly entered the Sierra Madre Casino. In Honest Hearts, when you arm a tribe so that they can defend themselves, you can inadvertently turn them into a warlike band of raiders. In Lonesome Road, your habit of doing random quests led to the detonation of a bunch of nukes, wiping out a growing civilization.

Li Mu:

In the instance 'Escape from Durnhold Keep' some of the guards you murder even say "I was only doing my job". These poor guards simply wanted to stop you freeing the war criminal and known terrorist Thrall. They probably had wives and children!

Pretty sure that's meant as a reference to the Nuremberg Trials, when Nazis convicted of war crimes tried to say they were just doing their job. You're rescuing Thrall from a concentration camp for orcs, after all.

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