Microsoft Xbox needs to die.

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innocentEX:

Bvenged:

innocentEX:
LoL Console Gamers... They will never learn

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Quoted for Truth, Thanks for reinforcing my argument, seriously Console Gamers? why you know move to Card Games... ???

Haha nice; my message there was simple enough. No platform is better than another. At any point hardware can become shot, due to lack of care, attention or luck; for PS3, Xbox or PC. We've all had PC problems, we've all heard about PS3 problems and we are all well aware of 360 problems.

...and we all know how crap the Wii is at being a doorstop; my door keeps pushing it along. Piece of crap's better as a paperweight.

EDIT: Hmm, interesting - I got put on probation for a low-content post... I don't get it though, I make a memebase LoL with my opinion on it and post it, and that's low content post? If anything that's good content!!

Trivun:

Free? You really expect XBLive to be free? It costs a hell of a lot of money to run, you know.

This is the only bit I don't agree with in your argument. Microsoft makes a ridiculous amount of its revenue from XBL from what I can see. Take that from the recent CES press conference MS said they had 40mil subscribers to XBL now I forget if they specified Gold members so this is a bit of speculation so work with me. If even just 1/2 of those are Gold members that means over a 6 month period MS makes $50*20*10^6 = $ 1000 *10 ^6. Now given that over the 6 month period from last year to Dec 31st MS had a total revenue of around 40,000 * 10^6(rounded up) that is 1/40 of the total company's revenue from 1 service alone.

Now, 1/40 may not seem like a lot but when you take it that XBL income is more or less guaranteed compared to other aspects of the company. This was also taken from the 2nd half where sales would be higher.

What are you really getting from the 40? A P2P online gaming service, Sky channels(which you need to pay for else where), video chat, facebook, twitter, last fm and music from zune. If that is worth 40 a year to you and the other subscribers that is fine and I've no problem with that. However, MS is hardly reaching into the depths of their pockets to provide this service. I mean nothing on that list does not have a free easy to use alternative already out there existing in the market place and I'd be willing to accept the price more on one condition.

If MS splashed out on some self run official dedicated servers for some of the games then I could maybe get behind the price. Other than that in my own opinion from what I have experienced of XBL the price tag is not worth it just for the online gaming service that I experience. For me no dedis is a deal breaker. Unfortunately they have no caught on yet on the 360 and there are only a few examples of games that have bothered to include them which is very sad.

Not part of the argument.

I forgot to mention that in my last post that a lot of 360 problems are sorted by just taking care of your console. I got 1 at launch and it managed to last me until the slim came out and I kept it well ventilated and not sitting on the floor picking up dust and I also have tiles so no crap from the carpet either.

Xbox LIVE costs money because Microsoft like money and we keep giving them money. Simple as.

It's not a scam. It's just good business. If you really care, stop arguing and start boycotting.

Zeckt:
Next gen microsoft NEEDS to lose the race because they are literally keeping gaming in the dark ages with their selfish tactics. In a perfect world everyone would buy games only for the pc so developers / consumers can enjoy freedom and the biggest hurdle for developers would not be the money to make the games, but only their creativity.

What is there to defend about the 360 other then brand loyalty?

I wouldn't defend the console based on the brand. I'm sorry for your experiences which are far worse than mine considering how much more persistent you've been. I couldn't go through 4 hardware changes. I had one go red ring, replaced it with the Forza 3 special ed. with 250gb hdd a couple of years back and it's been fine since then. It's down to which chipset you have...any console in the last two/three years shouldn't suffer from the rrod issues.

I had my live account hacked. I had 140 of charges made against my credit card which was spent on games and what have you. I phoned and phoned and phoned and after an investigation they said nothing fraudulent was done, even though the fact was that it clearly had. I cancelled my live account immediately, removed my card from the account and vowed never to spend another penny on the service. They "refunded" me the unused time remaining on my account but made a mistake, giving me a code for free 12, 3 and 1 month, so I added them back on for 15 months, but truthfully, haven't been on in so long. I haven't updated to the latest dashboard with the ads.

Microsoft have to make money, I understand that. But they made money from me by stealing it...refusing to refund me when I'd informed them that the transactions were fraudulent. They made money from you by supplying faulty hardware...4 times. They should be making money by providing services and goods people want and are happy to pay for...but that frequently isn't the case.

But don't worry about MS in the next generation. We already know nintendo has it's next gen console in later stages of development. The 360/PS3 are so old in the tooth a basic computer today outperforms them many times over, let alone what we know will be a powerful HD platform as Nintendo have gone on record as saying. With their innovative controllers, hardware that will poo all over the competition who are too lazy sucking to develop next gen hardware, exclusive, first and third party titles and price point, Nintendo will OWN the next generation. Even if MS and Sony announced today they were working on a new console, it would be too late to beat the big N.

sluggyfreelancer:
And another one who has theirs on most the day for that past 3 years. Is very loud though...

I like the loud. Lets me know it's always working. I have had two Xboxs. The first one RROD on me after the first year and when I called Microsoft it to see if they could replace it they told me it wouldn't be for free so that sucked. So I will give you that one. Then I just bought a second one and that has been working for nearly 3 years. There getting better.

Zeckt:
I am now on my fourth xbox where my first 2 had RROD and third had trouble with the huge bar thing continously turning off and the dvd driver not closing properly. My fourth xbox is the limited gears 3 one which comes with 2 gears of war controllers both of which are screwy. The one had its b button get caved in after 2 weeks and the second continously loses battery power over and over. This is my 5th xbox controller to mess up.

And just look at their live service, where it costs developers 40 thousand dollars for a simple patch on their games. They lured a bunch of small independent developers and with the new update beat them in a corner and charge developers huge amounts of money to put games on the arcade.

With the new patch we are bombarded with advertisements, and they have the guts to raise the price on live for something which really should be free. You have to have an active live account to have access to "perks" like netflix (thats a JOKE) and live ruined any communication with their community with their games. Just look at the sorry state of the dungeon defender dlc, microsoft acts like bloody money grubbing tyrants and just look at how it ruins games that thrive on dlc like l4d or team fortress 2. You cannot mod ANY game on the 360, which makes people who bought skyrim on the 360 insanely jealous of all the fun the pc community gets to have with user created content. Microsoft simply does not ALLOW us access to it because it contradicts their ideals.

Enough is enough! all microsoft accomplishes is strangling developers with their bullshit, and get away with releasing GARBAGE hardware so you have to re-buy the console and controller over and over and they actually have the guts to charge you almost 100$ a year to play games online.

Next gen microsoft NEEDS to lose the race because they are literally keeping gaming in the dark ages with their selfish tactics. In a perfect world everyone would buy games only for the pc so developers / consumers can enjoy freedom and the biggest hurdle for developers would not be the money to make the games, but only their creativity. Will microsoft ever have gems like Cave Story, SOL exodus which is trying to make a space combat comeback, or Terraria? NO, because they ask for way too much money. Microsoft is the equivalent of the church in the dark ages.

What is there to defend about the 360 other then brand loyalty?

Okay,

I have had One RROD (which was after three years of having the original Xbox 360). I sent it it and got it fixed, I then bought a new Xbox Slim as an upgrade (Because why the hell not?) and haven't had any issues on either Xbox.

I am not jealous of the PC Community, I enjoyed my time with Skyrim on the 360 as I couldn't care less about a few stupid mods.

Microsoft is a Company, they do what they do to make MONEY, which is the main purpose of a Company: To Create Products and Make Money to Create New Products.

I don't mind paying for Xbox Live. It may just be because I know how to use my money and not spend it on every little thing (I also tend to listen to Dave Ramsey a lot) so I have enough money to divide up into Gaming (25% of my Paycheck, covers XBL, SW:ToR, New Games), 25% goes to Groceries (surprisingly, I can make a good amount of meals that are healthy and tasty for incredibly cheap) and the 50% would go to bills (as I have a lot of Student Loans I need to start paying off in the next few months.)

All in all, I don't mind paying for it and you make it sound like it is the end of the world. Sure some of the business practices of Microsoft I am not happy with (Free DLC and what not is non-existant for Valve Products), but I really couldn't care less.

Zeckt:

With the new patch we are bombarded with advertisements, and they have the guts to raise the price on live for something which really should be free. You have to have an active live account to have access to "perks" like netflix (thats a JOKE) and live ruined any communication with their community with their games. Just look at the sorry state of the dungeon defender dlc, microsoft acts like bloody money grubbing tyrants and just look at how it ruins games that thrive on dlc like l4d or team fortress 2. You cannot mod ANY game on the 360, which makes people who bought skyrim on the 360 insanely jealous of all the fun the pc community gets to have with user created content. Microsoft simply does not ALLOW us access to it because it contradicts their ideals.

What are u talking about? People mod on Xbox. Its not as easy to do as PC and a much SMALLER amount of people do it, but there are mods on Xbox. Mod mean "Modification". That includes Jtag Cheats, Host Booting, or even minor things like Moding uniquely Colored Amor(My friend did), or even Moding an account to trick the system into letting u use DLC. Uhm.. Not that I have done that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw8A24r2IP4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phQRXTHccKs

Two separate examples. Both from Halo, but CoD and Gears(& others) have mods aswell.

Ive had my Xbox since 09 and it works fine. My first Controller though, well its left Joystick fucked up on me. Not sure how to explain it. On my Second controller now. Hell my Brother is still on his First Xbox and First Controller, which he got back in 2005. I still can't believe both his controllers still work 0_o.

If you think that Xbox should die why do you keep buying their consoles and products? It mildly annoys me when people complain about something but can't see that the only way to fix said 'exploitative' problem is to boycott the manufacturer.

Trivun:
Free? You really expect XBLive to be free? It costs a hell of a lot of money to run, you know.

Every other console manufacturer offers almost the same features for free. Many of the features they offer are actually p2p services and therefore cost them excactly nothing. Others like Netflix are run by external developers. You by far overestimate the costs they have.

Then you have somehow been breaking them or buying broken ones.
I have had the same Xbox for about 3 years now and have had no problems with it at all. I am still using it now with no problems and it is working fine.

I got my Xbox 360 from my little brother, and save to say, he did'nt really take care of it,
he smokes like a furnace, indoors without proper ventilation and his hygiene leaves many many questions.
Also, his track record with electronics is astounding, things die around him.
Quickly.

(but hey, family right?)

As so, i appreciated the gesture and i cleaned it up, noticed it survived for 5 years of such abuse, and aside from a rumbling sound, it runs perfectly, plays games, music, video's etc.

So actually, i am astonished by this machine.

The paying for playing online is a tad weird to me too, beeing a Sony player mainly,
but hey, what is, is.

I've literally never had a problem I couldn't solve by turning it off and on again, so I'm keeping my mine.

Programmed_For_Damage:
I might be in the minority but the PC gamers can keep their mods. There is a reason game developers generate content for their own games; it's because they're good at it. I haven't seen a mod yet that isn't in some way half-arsed or stands out from the original content like dog's balls.

Sorry, but I had to laugh a bit at you saying the reason game developers generate content for their games is that they're good at it. They produce the content because they're paid to do it, and in many cases they enjoy it, but there are plenty of people and companies that are bad at it. Probably as many as a percentage of the developers out there as the percentage of bad modders to good modders.

Also, as far as good mods, I'm sure the people who made or are fans of things like Counter-Strike, Day of Defeat, Natural Selection, and plenty of actually well made mods for Elder Scrolls and Fallout games that I've seen would like a word with you. There's a reason many people don't like to play Bethesda titles without mods and it's because the really good user generated stuff tends to be legitimately better than what Bethesda managed. Especially when it comes to things like texture packs.

That's some bad luck you go there,
I still have my 5 year old arcade model, works like a charm.

getoffmycloud:
In other news PC elitists are the lowest form of humanity and should shut up

waitwaitwait, wat? Besides the complete irrelevance to the op, why? Sure 'elitists' are the worst form of humanity, but that has nothing to do with pc, and even then don't shut them up because they have a point. Compare the boxed copy of Skyrim for Xbox to PC. If your disk gets destroyed, how much do you have to pay for a replacement copy on either machine?

I got 4 words for you:

Sucks to be you

More than 4 words:
Obviously it's your luck, I got my Xbox in February of '06 and had it red ring at about '08, MS repair fixed it and it worked up until july of '11. I had my brothers for about 4 months and then I bought a slim in October, I have had 2 xbox360s in total, this doesn't mean that Microsoft needs to leave the industry, it means that they will make sure their xbox720 survives extensively before release, also the console is functional and has amazing controllers.

Um, 5 years I've had my 360 (Had an issue but I got a repair soon enough) over a year now since I've played it because PC gaming is BETTER IN EVERY WAY.

I agree with the OP on everything they said. Other things I may add are that console games are more expensive, the majority of the community is shit compared and you are limited to a game controller (Which is also shit anyway). PC FTW WOOOOO!

The mods thing is funny/pathetic because the vanilla experience for games like Skyrim is fine on the PC and I played about 70 hours before I put my first mod on (I just wanted a different skin for my dwarven armour). Mods are optional things to make an individuals game improved for them! not so the creators of the mods can 1 up the devs.

Zeckt:
SNIP

Meh, it's the same song and dance all over again with nothing really new being said. It's clear that the Xbox 360 is not for you so why the hell are you still buying them?

MiloP:

Strazdas:

so yeah, everything would have been solved in the first place if we didnt degenerate our gamin back to consoles. we were free of them for a short while, and hopefully we are going to be free off them once again.

Loving the use of the word "degenerate" here. Makes it sound like us console gamers are only just discovering the secret of fire while the mighty PC gamers have been using their microwave ovens for some time now :D

It isnt that extreme but yeah, thats the point i was making. we had consoles. then we had gaming computers computers (working ones, not the ones that tried to sell themselves as computers at first). they worked better than consoles. however somehow console manufacturers managed to push back thier product into the market and made many people buy worse product for, often, more money.
Then again, consoles arent the only ones doing this sort of marketing stunts, so raised eyebrows here.

All these people trying to make me feel guilty for buying xbox? Fuck you, I'll buy what console I like. Dictate to me the positives and negatives all day, but actively trying to make me feel like a bad guy for preferring a certain type of console? No. Screw you entirely.

I'm happy with the way they've treated me. They gave me two free boxes, the second one being a slim. I'm also fine paying $60 for better service.

Shawn MacDonald:
What I hate about these threads is there is always one person who types this line. "This has not been a problem for me and my Xbox works just fine."

So I can't contribute to this discussion if my Xbox hasn't broken in the five years I've owned it?

Shawn MacDonald:

Like how mine broke as well and is sitting in my closet never to be played again.

Oh so I'm only allowed to quote my personal experiences if they support the "we hate Microsoft" argument.

Shawn MacDonald:
What I hate about these threads is there is always one person who types this line. "This has not been a problem for me and my Xbox works just fine." Just fine and dandy random person on the internet who thinks that everybody else must treat their stuff like crap. Like how mine broke as well and is sitting in my closet never to be played again.

Well there are two sides to that:

There are always people who said "I've been through 8 Xboxes!!!"
And those who said "I've had mine since launch day and it's fine!" (I know a guy who can say that).
I, personally, am on my 2nd Xbox since launch day. I will absolutely be buying a new 360 if this one were to break, and will buy the next generation of Xbox console.

Who is right or wrong? All of these threads are anecdotal evidence at best.

Bottom line is that the OP saying that Microsoft needs to die because he's had a bad experience is foolishness. Because of my experiences I'll never eat at East Side Mario's again, or buy a Mazda vehicle. But I'm not about to wish they all go out of business. That's stupid. I just won't give them a cent of my money. As a consumer, that's my power: To close my wallet.

Trying to rally back-pats while soap-boxing on the internet isn't a solution. It's silly.
Stop it.

Strazdas:

MiloP:

Strazdas:

so yeah, everything would have been solved in the first place if we didnt degenerate our gamin back to consoles. we were free of them for a short while, and hopefully we are going to be free off them once again.

Loving the use of the word "degenerate" here. Makes it sound like us console gamers are only just discovering the secret of fire while the mighty PC gamers have been using their microwave ovens for some time now :D

It isnt that extreme but yeah, thats the point i was making. we had consoles. then we had gaming computers computers (working ones, not the ones that tried to sell themselves as computers at first). they worked better than consoles. however somehow console manufacturers managed to push back thier product into the market and made many people buy worse product for, often, more money.
Then again, consoles arent the only ones doing this sort of marketing stunts, so raised eyebrows here.

It can surely never be said that consoles are cheaper than PCs. You buy an Xbox, what were they, 200 quid when they first came out? (Don't quote me on that figure.) That machine can play seven years worth of games. Could a top-end PC seven years ago run top-end games now? No damn way. Unless you future-proofed like hell, which would cost a lot of money anyway, you'd have to keep upgrading the parts of your PC, which is not only expensive, but a real chore to do, in my opinion. Sure, PC games generally RRP at a bit less than consoles but that will never make back the money you spent on your shiny computer bits. Even with the 40quid a year Xbox Live subscription, probably still cheaper, and that only applies to Xbox.

The best you can get here is that if someone buys all the consoles, plays games on them regularly, and does any subscriptions they have to do, they might just about tie with the amount it costs to keep a PC up to snuff. And even that's assuming all the PC parts you buy function properly forever, AND the money one would waste buying games that don't work BECAUSE DRIVERS or something stupid.

EDIT -- AND that's assuming you don't play any subscription based games on the PC, as MMO fans might do.

Frybird:
Trollin', Trollin', Trollin'
Though the threads are swollen
Keep them fanboys trolling
Flamethreeeeeeeaaaad

Ha! Fabuleux!

Chalk another "I've had my 360 since '05 and never had a problem with it" up on the board. Although I'm thinking I might need to replace the controller batteries again soon. That, naturally, is MS fault too, for releasing shoddy products. Damn them.

Well, have you tried not treating your Xbox's and/or controllers like shit?

They might last longer.

Programmed_For_Damage:
I might be in the minority but the PC gamers can keep their mods. There is a reason game developers generate content for their own games; it's because they're good at it. I haven't seen a mod yet that isn't in some way half-arsed or stands out from the original content like dog's balls.

BTW I'm sorry to hear about the issues you've had with your 360's. I've got three in the house (2 Pros and a 360S) and none of them have had any problems.

go check out the skyrim ones then say that

I have to admit that I've been through three of them fuckers over the years. Its still weird to think that a games system dies.because you play games on them.......yeah. That was when I switched to the PS3.

If it wasnt for a few of the earlier exclusives then I wouldnt of cared for the 360.

So dont like a console that has the perception of breaking at the drop of a hat? Whats the alternative? Hop on board with a console where the manufacturer will intentionally rip features away instead?

Dont like having to pay for online play? Whats the alternative? Hop on board with a company that will prevent you from accessing your library of purchased software unless you agree to their terms and conditions no matter how illogically or illegally they word them?

Do not like a console that is not entirely favorable to the developers? What is the alternative? Jump on board with one that Indie presence is either non existent or viewed as competition to be crushed?

Sorry your not fond of your xbox, but really jumping ship is just exchanging one set of problems for a different set. So lets not call for the death of a console because really if we did that for all of our minor bitches there would be no such thing as a console.

Oddly though one thing I do want to point out. The argument

Zeckt:

Will microsoft ever have gems like Cave Story,

So odd to pick this one out given the fact that it was made by essentially a pirate programmer who it gained its popularity from the freeware/pirates utilizing linux based PMDs used for EMUs such as the
GPx32, Wiz,Dingoo, Cannoo, Pandora, etc. Yet, its first initial legitimate offering was put up on a microsoft platform by way of Windows.

GARBAGE hardware so you have to re-buy the console and controller over and over and they actually have the guts to charge you almost 100$ a year to play games online.

A: Again sorry about your luck with the system. B: I call bullshit on the controller because the 360 branded controller is arguably the best video game controller ever created. Also just because your console fails does NOT mean you cant still use already purchased controllers, thus not buying new ones. C:If your paying microsoft 100$ a year to pay online, and realistically anything greater than 40$ for a years worth of service, YOUR doing something wrong, because it is never difficult to get a years worth of XBL for right at or under 50$

http://deals.woot.com/deals/details/14126165-533d-4fb7-89b4-5c411bdf6f52/12-month-xbox-live-gold-400-ms-points-and-more#5 (this deal is already likely dead, but still this was posted yesterday. At the beginning of the month it was possible via the MS store even to get 1 year of XBL for 35$.)

What is there to defend about the 360 other then brand loyalty?

There are plenty of reasons to defend the 360. The consoles have their strengths and weaknesses. Hell if they didnt, you would never see console flame wars.

To be honest the only reason I bought a 360 over a PS3 was the exclusives... I'm so dirty. But I wanted my Halo, Mass Effect, Fable (which I DON'T want anymore), Alan Wake, etc. Its probably worth it only because my 360 has yet to explode but once the next console rolls around I'll probably get a PS3. If only for the Ico, SotC remakes and the Last Guardian.

FalloutJack:

Zeckt:
-Red Ring of Microsoft-

That's not fair to the church. Because, as you can see, THEY got better. Microsoft will continue to be a business, the business that decided to make consoles after they say how well Sony was cleaning up. You know how it is.

I see why you did there and loved it.

Screamarie:
.........Okay where are you buying your xboxes? And how do you treat them? Because my mother bought me one for christmas off of Ebay a while back and it's worked fine for years, a few hiccups, but it is getting old after all.

Okay, don't do this. That's blame shifting. The XBox 360 was so notorious for RROD that it spent an estimated billion dollars covering the console with extended warranties. Red Ring of Death is pretty common and has little to do with care of the console. They were poorly made and the company that made it admitted fault. Don't blame the user.

And "it's never happened to me" is never a defense of a product.

I also saw no price hike on xbox live...maybe you're not in the US so we're in different situations, but I don't know what raising in price you're talking about.

The price in America was raised from 50 dollars US to 60 dollars US.

the wired controller I sometimes use for PC gaming works great.
just switch to PC gaming yes you still support MS but at least you got rid of the xbox.

Programmed_For_Damage:
I might be in the minority but the PC gamers can keep their mods. There is a reason game developers generate content for their own games; it's because they're good at it. I haven't seen a mod yet that isn't in some way half-arsed or stands out from the original content like dog's balls.

BTW I'm sorry to hear about the issues you've had with your 360's. I've got three in the house (2 Pros and a 360S) and none of them have had any problems.

and community mods dont stop developers from making their own additional content, but yes there is a lot of junk mods out there but some also a neat/fun/fix broken things

the op definitely seems to have had a very negative series of encounters with xbox support, they really should have gotten some of this fixed by now

Iron Criterion:

So I can't contribute to this discussion if my Xbox hasn't broken in the five years I've owned it?

You can, but your console working really doesn't mean much.

Oh so I'm only allowed to quote my personal experiences if they support the "we hate Microsoft" argument.

Quote mining for the win. I mean, his statement was only three sentences long, surely the middle one wasn't so confusing that you couldn't grasp it, or see the continuity involved.

Further, I always have to posit: So what if your system works? What does that mean to this thread?

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