Question regarding Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater

I'm someone who has never been all that interested in the MGS series, but lately I've wanted to get into the series. However, the game that interests me the most is the 3rd game, because of the James Bond influences.

My question is this: Is MGS3 accessible enough for it to be the first game in the series that I play, or do I need to play MGS1 and 2 first in order to understand it?

You'll certainly miss a lot of references and nods to previous games, but 3 is actually a good place to start. Start with 3 and the rest suddenly make a lot more sense. After all, Snake Eater is the first game in the series' timeline. At least regarding the story.

Well, you could always watch a playthrough, but you won't have too much trouble if you decide not to.

You probably won't get most of the references, though.

MGS3 was the first game in the series for me. And don't worry, you won't be lost at all. Story wise, it's pretty much a stand-alone game.

Time line wise it is the first game, it's a game about the big boss. The other games are about ...relations to the big boss.

Still, trying to understand the MGS games is a challenge, even if you do play them in order of release (1, 2, 3, 4).

The plots to these games aren't as straight forward as Halo, gears of war, god of war, duke nukem etc where it basically just stop the aliens and this is why you and your team are the chosen ones.

These games have back stories that straight up confuse you!

There are nods to games that came before it, but for the most part, it's a stand alone title.

It's also my favourite, because it got the stealth element down brilliantly, the environments are gorgeous, and like you said, it's akin to James Bond.

Best one in the series.

omega 616:
Time line wise it is the first game, it's a game about the big boss. The other games are about ...relations to the big boss.

Still, trying to understand the MGS games is a challenge, even if you do play them in order of release (1, 2, 3, 4).

The plots to these games aren't as straight forward as Halo, gears of war, god of war, duke nukem etc where it basically just stop the aliens and this is why you and your team are the chosen ones.

These games have back stories that straight up confuse you!

I'm aware of that. I just figure that Snake Eater seems to be the most interesting game to me, and I can always replay it after playing the other 3 games in order to get more of the references.

Breaker deGodot:

omega 616:
Time line wise it is the first game, it's a game about the big boss. The other games are about ...relations to the big boss.

Still, trying to understand the MGS games is a challenge, even if you do play them in order of release (1, 2, 3, 4).

The plots to these games aren't as straight forward as Halo, gears of war, god of war, duke nukem etc where it basically just stop the aliens and this is why you and your team are the chosen ones.

These games have back stories that straight up confuse you!

I'm aware of that. I just figure that Snake Eater seems to be the most interesting game to me, and I can always replay it after playing the other 3 games in order to get more of the references.

All the games are pretty much the same, the only way this one is more like James Bond is the music.

To be honest though, I can't really think of a reference other than the bosses. So it wont be like you will be missing out on much.

If you want to play all the mgs games there are more than then 4, just in case you didn't know.

Well seeing how it's the prequel and where it all starts and seeing how it's the best game in the series I'd say yes, you can play it. You should play it. Just be sure to get Subsistence version if you're playing on PS2.

omega 616:
All the games are pretty much the same, the only way this one is more like James Bond is the music.

You kiddin'? The entire game is wrapped in James Bond influence. Cold war setting, spy gadgets, spy themes, the music, strong woman love interest. It really feels like something that came out of Ian Fleming's mind. All other MGS games are more about being a soldier. MGS3 feels more like a real spy story than anything else.

omega 616:

Breaker deGodot:

omega 616:
Time line wise it is the first game, it's a game about the big boss. The other games are about ...relations to the big boss.

Still, trying to understand the MGS games is a challenge, even if you do play them in order of release (1, 2, 3, 4).

The plots to these games aren't as straight forward as Halo, gears of war, god of war, duke nukem etc where it basically just stop the aliens and this is why you and your team are the chosen ones.

These games have back stories that straight up confuse you!

I'm aware of that. I just figure that Snake Eater seems to be the most interesting game to me, and I can always replay it after playing the other 3 games in order to get more of the references.

All the games are pretty much the same, the only way this one is more like James Bond is the music.

To be honest though, I can't really think of a reference other than the bosses. So it wont be like you will be missing out on much.

If you want to play all the mgs games there are more than then 4, just in case you didn't know.

Yeah, I was thinking of buying the Subsistence version so I could play Metal Gear 1 and 2 as well.

scorptatious:
MGS3 was the first game in the series for me. And don't worry, you won't be lost at all. Story wise, it's pretty much a stand-alone game.

Agreed, it was my first MGS game too.

Easy as shit to get into.

Breaker deGodot:

Yeah, I was thinking of buying the Subsistence version so I could play Metal Gear 1 and 2 as well.

I think that Omega might have been referring to the PSP games, Portable Ops & Peace Walker to be precise, which aren't so bad as they contiune off from Snake Eater timeline wise.

But yeah, definitely a good call on MGS3. I just started playing it myself this week (after a very long hiatus from the series after playing MGS2 ... ugh that one didn't sit well with me) and I'm definitely liking the jungle setting and game mechanics in general.

Adam Jensen:
Well seeing how it's the prequel and where it all starts and seeing how it's the best game in the series I'd say yes, you can play it. You should play it. Just be sure to get Subsistence version if you're playing on PS2.

omega 616:
All the games are pretty much the same, the only way this one is more like James Bond is the music.

You kiddin'? The entire game is wrapped in James Bond influence. Cold war setting, spy gadgets, spy themes, the music, strong woman love interest. It really feels like something that came out of Ian Fleming's mind. All other MGS games are more about being a soldier. MGS3 feels more like a real spy story than anything else.

Didn't know James Bond was in the cold war era, there are like a million of them, how can they all be set in the same era?

Spy gadgets? Like what? It's no splinter cell with sticky camera's fired from a gun.

Spy themes? You are doing exactly the same stuff in MGS 1 as you are in 3 (except outside less in 1) and in 4 they at least force you to track 1 person and tail another.

Strong woman interest? I can kind of get behind but everything has that in now.

omega 616:
Didn't know James Bond was in the cold war era, there are like a million of them, how can they all be set in the same era?

I'm not talking about movies as much as books. Older movies with Sean Connery and Roger Moore were set in cold war era though. And that's where MGS3 draws it's inspiration from. You have to be blind or not very familiar with Bond not to notice the heavy Bond influence. Have you seen Dr. No?

omega 616:
Spy gadgets? Like what? It's no splinter cell with sticky camera's fired from a gun.

I'm talking about cold war spy stuff like active sonar, anti-personnel sensor, directional mic, motion detector, binoculars, fake death pill, revival pill, crocodile cap, EZ gun, mine detector, dirty magazine (for guard distraction), fake cigarettes with sleeping gas, thermal goggles, NV goggles...
All of that helped a lot to immerse you into the time period and spy thematic.

omega 616:
Spy themes? You are doing exactly the same stuff in MGS 1 as you are in 3 (except outside less in 1) and in 4 they at least force you to track 1 person and tail another.

It's not about what you do it's how you do it and where you do it. Spy theme is present in all games, but it's so obviously influenced with James Bond in MGS3 and it's a dominant feature. In other MGS games, being a spy was just a word. But it always felt like you were just a stealthy soldier. I never felt like Solid Snake was a real spy.

omega 616:
Strong woman interest? I can kind of get behind but everything has that in now.

That's a key feature in all Bond movies and books. Bond always has a strong female character by his side.

Adam Jensen:
That's a key feature in all Bond movies and books. Bond always has a strong female character by his side.

I dunno if I have seen Dr No, I have seen like 4 different bond films and they all seemed to be basically the same, so I stopped watching them.

The only other thing I know about James Bond is his favorite drink isn't a martini.

Besides the pills and cap, they are all from other MGS games as well ... not sure about the EZ gun though, I think there is an EZ gun at the start of 2 but obviously a different name.

I still don't get this point, he is exactly the same in every game. Armed to the knackers with guns but you can choose to slip by people. If I Sam Fisher my way round 1, 2 and 4 but Rambo my through 3 I am not a spy.

other than that it was pretty much the same affair.

To be honest I wouldn't even class James bond as a spy. Spies are meant to sneak in, do what they have to do then sneak out or double/triple cross people and be under cover. James Bond does the first bit then fluffs the mission, gets caught, escapes then from my recollection Rambo's the gaff and foils the plot.

I think we might have to agree to disagree on that one.

Maybe James bond started the whole love interest/femme fetal thing but that is in pretty much everything these days ... *looks at transformers, knight and day, XXX, fast and the furious and a billion others*

Yes MGS 3 is a great place to start as it is the start of the timeline and I also highly suggest if you do like the series to then go back and replay it after the other 2 beforehand. Just let you know there were MG games before the PS 1 game. Another thing, if you have the option always go for say MGS 2: Substance over the original release(MGS 2:Sons of Liberty) as it has more bonus modes.

omega 616:

Adam Jensen:
That's a key feature in all Bond movies and books. Bond always has a strong female character by his side.

I dunno if I have seen Dr No, I have seen like 4 different bond films and they all seemed to be basically the same, so I stopped watching them.

The only other thing I know about James Bond is his favorite drink isn't a martini.

Besides the pills and cap, they are all from other MGS games as well ... not sure about the EZ gun though, I think there is an EZ gun at the start of 2 but obviously a different name.

I still don't get this point, he is exactly the same in every game. Armed to the knackers with guns but you can choose to slip by people. If I Sam Fisher my way round 1, 2 and 4 but Rambo my through 3 I am not a spy.

other than that it was pretty much the same affair.

To be honest I wouldn't even class James bond as a spy. Spies are meant to sneak in, do what they have to do then sneak out or double/triple cross people and be under cover. James Bond does the first bit then fluffs the mission, gets caught, escapes then from my recollection Rambo's the gaff and foils the plot.

I think we might have to agree to disagree on that one.

Maybe James bond started the whole love interest/femme fetal thing but that is in pretty much everything these days ... *looks at transformers, knight and day, XXX, fast and the furious and a billion others*

If you think all Bond films are the same, then I recommend you watch the following movies if you haven't already:

From Russia with Love
On Her Majesty's Secret Service
The Spy Who Loved Me
Licence to Kill
Goldeneye
Casino Royale

Those six movies have each of the six different actors that have played James Bond over the years. If you think all the Bond films are the same, then watching at least the first three of these movies will convince you otherwise.

MGS 3 was my first MGS game and I never regret it. I actually went with the timeline and found it to be a very rewarding course. MGS 3 is my favorite of the series as well

Breaker deGodot:

omega 616:

Adam Jensen:
That's a key feature in all Bond movies and books. Bond always has a strong female character by his side.

I dunno if I have seen Dr No, I have seen like 4 different bond films and they all seemed to be basically the same, so I stopped watching them.

The only other thing I know about James Bond is his favorite drink isn't a martini.

Besides the pills and cap, they are all from other MGS games as well ... not sure about the EZ gun though, I think there is an EZ gun at the start of 2 but obviously a different name.

I still don't get this point, he is exactly the same in every game. Armed to the knackers with guns but you can choose to slip by people. If I Sam Fisher my way round 1, 2 and 4 but Rambo my through 3 I am not a spy.

other than that it was pretty much the same affair.

To be honest I wouldn't even class James bond as a spy. Spies are meant to sneak in, do what they have to do then sneak out or double/triple cross people and be under cover. James Bond does the first bit then fluffs the mission, gets caught, escapes then from my recollection Rambo's the gaff and foils the plot.

I think we might have to agree to disagree on that one.

Maybe James bond started the whole love interest/femme fetal thing but that is in pretty much everything these days ... *looks at transformers, knight and day, XXX, fast and the furious and a billion others*

If you think all Bond films are the same, then I recommend you watch the following movies if you haven't already:

From Russia with Love
On Her Majesty's Secret Service
The Spy Who Loved Me
Licence to Kill
Goldeneye
Casino Royale

Those six movies have each of the six different actors that have played James Bond over the years. If you think all the Bond films are the same, then watching at least the first three of these movies will convince you otherwise.

We are getting off topic here but unless the film doesn't have those scenes I will think it's the same, pretty sure I have seen the spy who loved me and goldeneye but I dunno.

I know I have seen one with a tiny little helicopter coming out of a volcano, one with a robot dragon thing that breathes fire, one with jaws and one with the the fat Kung Lao (the guy who throws his hat) but that is probably the same film.

MGS3 Was the second one I ever played, and the best of the series IMO. It's playable as standalone, and it's not too hard to understand unlike some others *Cough* MGS2 *Cough*

MGS3 is possibly the most accessible of the lot. It was the first MGS I played. The references did not feel too daunting. With Subsistence, it introduces a 3D camera, which makes the gameplay somewhat less intimidating. It's easily playable as a standalone game set at the height of the cold war.

omega 616:

To be honest I wouldn't even class James bond as a spy. Spies are meant to sneak in, do what they have to do then sneak out or double/triple cross people and be under cover. James Bond does the first bit then fluffs the mission, gets caught, escapes then from my recollection Rambo's the gaff and foils the plot.

Spies are just people who work for military intelligence...

Spy

A spy doesn't have to be covert... as long as they get the information!

A spy doesn't even need to be in direct line of sight of the target to be called a spy... they just have to be obtaining information by a potential or actual enemy, and working for a higher authority... although not nessecarily if you look at 'spying' as a verb...

James Bond = MI:6, Snake = CIA, the US version of MI:6, can't get much closer than that!

You could just buy the MGS HD collection, which comes with MGS 1, 2, 3 and Peace Walker.

Though one reason i reccomend you to play them in order is the control schemes. Playing with MGS3 controls then going back to MGS1 or 2 is awkward to say the least.

EDIT: Really? Why has no one mentioned the HD collection?

Elementary - Dear Watson:

omega 616:

To be honest I wouldn't even class James bond as a spy. Spies are meant to sneak in, do what they have to do then sneak out or double/triple cross people and be under cover. James Bond does the first bit then fluffs the mission, gets caught, escapes then from my recollection Rambo's the gaff and foils the plot.

Spies are just people who work for military intelligence...

Spy

A spy doesn't have to be covert... as long as they get the information!

A spy doesn't even need to be in direct line of sight of the target to be called a spy... they just have to be obtaining information by a potential or actual enemy, and working for a higher authority... although not nessecarily if you look at 'spying' as a verb...

James Bond = MI:6, Snake = CIA, the US version of MI:6, can't get much closer than that!

That basically means Rambo or something is a spy.

What I am getting at is when you think spy you think of Adam Jensen or Sam fisher. What you said was anybody who gets information or watches closely is a spy, like you are going to pick up a spy game and it is a game about bird watching.

Like I said, it's just my opinion.

Metal Gear Solid 3 is actually a perfect place to start the series. That is the first game of the series I played and takes place at the earliest part in the Metal Gear timeline.

It is also my favorite game in the series...I'D GIVE MY LIFE!!

Yep, 3 is a great place to start. It, of course, has a lot of little references for those who have played the other games, but the plot is still comprehensible without working knowledge of the series mythos. It is also damn good besides, so pick it up! Just make sure to get the subsistence version though... The new camera controls really help.

omega 616:

That basically means Rambo or something is a spy.

What I am getting at is when you think spy you think of Adam Jensen or Sam fisher. What you said was anybody who gets information or watches closely is a spy, like you are going to pick up a spy game and it is a game about bird watching.

Like I said, it's just my opinion.

I'm just an avid James Bond Fan, and wanted to see if your opinion had any weight to it... I guess we are all entitled to one, but I am going to go off of the definition!

If Rambo was sent to obtain information then he would be a spy. From the definition I also guess that anyone watching footage or looking at photo's from drones are also spies?

I think the perception of 'spies' just comes from the media representation. I guess we'll never know what it is actually like, so we just take what other peoples perceptions are!

I'm very happy to say I've followed the Metal Gear franchise from the very start of it way back on the NES (I even played Snake's Revenge, as terrible as it is), and I would personally recommend playing the Metal Gear Solids in the order they were made, and only after reading the backstory from the NES games, but that's just me. I'm somewhat of a hardcore fan.

Either way, I wholeheartedly recommend Snake Eater, it is by far the best game in the series if you ask me, and that's saying something. They are all brilliant.

liquidsolid:
It is also my favorite game in the series...I'D GIVE MY LIFE!!

NOT FOR HONOR, BUT FOR YOU!

omega 616:
We are getting off topic here but unless the film doesn't have those scenes I will think it's the same, pretty sure I have seen the spy who loved me and goldeneye but I dunno.

I know I have seen one with a tiny little helicopter coming out of a volcano, one with a robot dragon thing that breathes fire, one with jaws and one with the the fat Kung Lao (the guy who throws his hat) but that is probably the same film.

Judging from that, you seem to have watched You Only Live Twice, Dr. No, The Spy Who Loved Me, and Goldfinger. In case you were wondering.

I played MGS1 first, then 3, then 4, then 2. MGS2 was when the series escaped my comprehension; it's a pretty good game, but I'd almost recommend not playing it if you want to understand the overarching story. However, if it's the gameplay you're into, play them all.

MGS3 is awesome, go play it! I think it's actually better that you haven't played the rest of them, they would probably just confuse you.

 

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