Could a "Mass Effecty" warhammer 40k rpg work

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do you think its possible, rallying races to fight threats and stuff around in the 40k universe as a imperium guard soldier.. shepard like.....

No. Warhammer races don't rally with each other.

Next question.

Ultratwinkie:
No. Warhammer races don't rally with each other.

Next question.

im sure the imperium would rally with say a peaceful race, or a race that would not be violent towards the imperium

say the asari

GameCalmer:

Ultratwinkie:
No. Warhammer races don't rally with each other.

Next question.

im sure the imperium would rally with say a peaceful race, or a race that would not be violent towards the imperium

say the asari

The Imperium hates all races. Always. Its a basic fact repeated through the entire series.

Ultratwinkie:

GameCalmer:

Ultratwinkie:
No. Warhammer races don't rally with each other.

Next question.

im sure the imperium would rally with say a peaceful race, or a race that would not be violent towards the imperium

say the asari

The Imperium hates all races. Always. Its a basic fact repeated through the entire series.

you mean throughout 40k it is mentioned that the imperium hates all races

Ultratwinkie:
No. Warhammer races don't rally with each other.

Next question.

It's not entirely unheard of actually. Eldar, Tau and the Imperium have worked with each other on numerous occasions.

Tau and the Imperium worked together to destroy Hive Fleet Gorgon.(Then they immediately proceeded to start killing each other. Mostly due to the Imperium's underestimation of the Tau's warfare and capabilities.)

Imperium and Eldar frequently ally when Necrons are involved. And for good reason, Necrons are probably the biggest threat in the galaxy at the moment. But such alliances are, let's just say...fragile.

so your saying there isn't like a "council" in the 40k universe, where all the races meet and discuss diplomacy

I guess you could take a rogue trader or inquisitor stance, but no alien sex. And it would be cool being radical or purity.

They could make a game where you play as a Primarch or even the Emperor of Mankind.

A 40k RPG of some sort would be awesome if it was done right but it sure as hell could do without the Mass Effect feel, what with inter-species cooperation, mutual understanding and whatnot.
Shit, to be Warhammer it would have to be the extreme opposite, I wanna play a game where you play as a badass Inquisitor with a badass retinue, roaming around the galaxy purging all them damn xenos without a second thought and loving it.

Closest thing I can think of to a ME-ish kind of deal for a 40k RPG which might make sense would be an Eldar agent of some sort (Farseer, Ranger, Harlequin maybe?), because they are generally the most inclined to work with other species, getting a bunch of various allies together to take out a Tomb World or something. Thennnn afterwards they'll probably just screw their 'friends' over, for the lolz.


The only ME-style RPG I see working would be from a Tau/Eldar perspective and even that's a little gamble.

What we need is Warhammer 40K: Total Warrior.

KingofMadCows:
They could make a game where you play as a Primarch or even the Emperor of Mankind.

"Press any button to stand up from the Throne"
*presses button*
"Lol, jk!"
"Press any button to have thousands of people sacrificed to fuel your Throne today"

maybe you can play the "absolution hero" minigame from Dante's Inferno to fuel the Golden Throne

That was a joke, if anybody isn't sure yet.

OT: I see the Imperium only having a temporary alliance with the ME races and that is if they all face a greater enemy. Otherwise, the Imperium may just steamroll over them and go Exterminatus their Citader and some planets to makes sure those dirty xenos don't attack them first. Incidentally, if they blow up the Citadel, the Reapers lose their backdoor and Sovereign may just go "Fuck that shit! There goes our plan" and then head off to try and indoctrinate himself some Imperium. Which would be met with intriguing results.

Well, at least that's how I like to imagine it.

Yeah it could work, if you were an Inquisitor suddenly rallied to a higher cause eg. the Starchild/Golden Throne/Sensei/Illuminati sub plot. But that wll never happen.

DoPo:

KingofMadCows:
They could make a game where you play as a Primarch or even the Emperor of Mankind.

"Press any button to stand up from the Throne"
*presses button*
"Lol, jk!"
"Press any button to have thousands of people sacrificed to fuel your Throne today"

maybe you can play the "absolution hero" minigame from Dante's Inferno to fuel the Golden Throne

That was a joke, if anybody isn't sure yet.

OT: I see the Imperium only having a temporary alliance with the ME races and that is if they all face a greater enemy. Otherwise, the Imperium may just steamroll over them and go Exterminatus their Citader and some planets to makes sure those dirty xenos don't attack them first. Incidentally, if they blow up the Citadel, the Reapers lose their backdoor and Sovereign may just go "Fuck that shit! There goes our plan" and then head off to try and indoctrinate himself some Imperium. Which would be met with intriguing results.

Well, at least that's how I like to imagine it.

I know that was a joke but I meant that they could make a game set during the time when the Emperor united Mankind under his banner.

You could have a game where you play as a Primarch or the Emperor trying to unite humanity.

GameCalmer:

Ultratwinkie:
No. Warhammer races don't rally with each other.

Next question.

im sure the imperium would rally with say a peaceful race, or a race that would not be violent towards the imperium

say the asari

Nope, they really wouldn't.

The Imperium is so xenophobic it's unreal. Some Inquisitors have been known to work with Eldar and they have a habit of vanishing. The only Inquisitor to date that got away with working with Eldar is Gideon Ravenor.

"Xenos scum" is a common enough comment to see where it would go.

On Topic....

It would work but it would have to be entirely different to the Mass Effect style. Rallying other races wouldn't work in the 40k verse, it just wouldn't happen.

There are only 3 threats in the 40k verse that constitute a great threat that would work in an RPG. The Necrons, The Tyranids and Chaos.

As it stands at the moment Chaos has finally got a foothold and is breaking through the Cadian Gate for the 13th Black Crusade.

No one knows where the Tyranids come from or when they will appear in strength. The last Hive Fleet was stopped but splinters of it remain.

The Necrons haven't fully "woken" yet so only a small number of them are around.

Now we have the big problem. Games Workshop hold very tightly to their lore.

We couldn't have a game around the Black Crusade because that is an ongoing battle in lore and they will not allow a game to meddle with lore.

Bringing in another Hive Fleet would also affect their lore, as would bringing the Necrons back in strength.

The Eldar are too small in number to have a galactic war against.
Dark Eldar rarely show their faces but again, far too small in number.
Tau aren't a significant threat yet and to make them such would also change lore.

The only thing that could possibly work would be an Ork Waaaaaaaagh but with how closely GW hold their lore i'm not sure it would be worth it.

KingofMadCows:

DoPo:

KingofMadCows:
They could make a game where you play as a Primarch or even the Emperor of Mankind.

"Press any button to stand up from the Throne"
*presses button*
"Lol, jk!"
"Press any button to have thousands of people sacrificed to fuel your Throne today"

maybe you can play the "absolution hero" minigame from Dante's Inferno to fuel the Golden Throne

That was a joke, if anybody isn't sure yet.

OT: I see the Imperium only having a temporary alliance with the ME races and that is if they all face a greater enemy. Otherwise, the Imperium may just steamroll over them and go Exterminatus their Citader and some planets to makes sure those dirty xenos don't attack them first. Incidentally, if they blow up the Citadel, the Reapers lose their backdoor and Sovereign may just go "Fuck that shit! There goes our plan" and then head off to try and indoctrinate himself some Imperium. Which would be met with intriguing results.

Well, at least that's how I like to imagine it.

I know that was a joke but I meant that they could make a game set during the time when the Emperor united Mankind under his banner.

You could have a game where you play as a Primarch or the Emperor trying to unite humanity.

Yeah, I guessed :/ I thought it funny to try and play the Emperor right now, though. To be honest, playing a younger and...well playing the Emperor could be pretty badass. Such a game could justify throwing a lot at him. And it could be set a fair amount of time before the Horus Heresy to give him more of a "low" start compared to the really "kickass" heights.

you could set it in the tyrannic wars, im not big into lore but that period was basically everyone (except chaos and orc forces) teaming up to defeat the alien horde trying to kill and eat them.

i think a 40k rpg would be good but id want to see something unique not a ME3 knockoff remember WOW's negative impact and learn that copying something no matter how good it is, is a bad move

yeah, it takes a LOT, to make the imperium consider allying with xenos, as in something the size of a black crusade, or a full scale tyranid invasion (they are the only two cannon times i can think of at least).

also, you can't really ally with some of the races, like orks, or necrons

I could see something like an "Inquisitor" game working.

The Inquisitors are alot like the Specters in their methods, power and accountability.

There wouldn't be any rallying going on, but some kind of investigation could be cool.
Maybe uncovering a Alpha Legion conspiracy within a Sub-sector?

Pick your talents at the beginning, Melee weapons, Ranged weapons, Psyker skills, tech skills, Interrogation, Leadership etc etc

The "morality" system would probably be a Puritan/Radical paradigm of some sort.
Do you use Chaos artifacts against Chaos itself, or remain pure and find another method?

"Squadmates" would instead be your Retinue, that grows as you gain more power and prestige.
Maybe as a Puritan you attract Ecclesiarchy members, and as a Radical you create DemonHosts.

Battles start easy, with you fighting cultists and other desheveled fools who've turned from the Emperor's light.
As things move up, they begin bringing in Daemons and vehicles. They start using smarter tactics.
Then by the end, the Alpha Legion is supporting them openly and the Chaotic Astates take every one of your powers and special requisitioned ammunition to defeat.
The Chaos War engines start pouring in and you need to start flexing your Political muscles and calling in the Guard and PDF forces.

It actually surprises me this hasn't been done, now that I think about it...

But hey, no one likes RPG's anymore, right?

I'm going to assume you have no real knowledge of Warhammer 40000. The answer is no. There are no alliances ever in Warhammer 40000. Even temporary truces will end up in all sides against each other if they haven't already tried killing each other. Also there's nothing in the universe that can unite even the most peaceful races together. The Imperium is best described with the phrase is "Beware the alien, the mutant, the heretic". The Tau fully believe in the "Greater Good" and will not deviate from it so if any conflicts involve that happen (and they will happen with no doubt) there will be instant war. The Eldar believe themselves to be superior to all other races and would be plotting how to use the other races to their own advantage. There will never be peace in the Warhammer 40000 universe. That was the whole point of it existing to critique the horrors of war and socialism. Hence why humanity in Warhammer 40000 is based more off Soviet Russia than the U.S. or the U.K. where it originated from.

"What we need is Warhammer 40K: Total Warrior."

Already been set up at the University of Winchester :P Half computer map tactics, half tabletop battles.

No. A Bioware style RPG would not fit into the 40k universe and I would not touch it at all. At least not something ME styled as that is not how 40k works. You don't be all happy and fuzzy bringing together all races and diplomacy and you don't stay friends with xenos. You ally, kill the threat and then kill each other. There is only war.

From what I can gather about the 40k universe, the Paragon and Renegade system would be kind of flawed, at least for the Imperiums. Actually, the Paragon and Renegade options for the Imperium would just ignore the Paragon and Renegade and would just have the one option of 'FOR THE EMPORER'.

no because they hate each other to the bone.

and if one planet is attacked the others would rejoice in schadenfreude.

the reapers would then pick the species and fraction off one by one.
messengers from other fractions would be immediately killed by the fractions they search for help before they could deliver a message or killed after as some kind of response.

they might try to form a small temporary alliance when it is too late.

plus i think 'The Forces of Chaos' would join the reapers.

and the Inquisition. they are more effective than the reapers and twice as much dicks when it comes to 'cleanse' a planet.


he sure loves the Exterminatus Order.

No, because I don't like the fanatical Nazi bigots. Chaos are actually (or were, depending on viewpoint) the good guys, you know. So if I could RP as a agent of Chaos attempting to liberate people from their evil overlords I'm all for it, otherwise no.

I think a Warhammer RPG would be more suitable, especially as it would scale better.

GoaThief:
No, because I don't like the fanatical Nazi bigots. Chaos are actually (or were, depending on viewpoint) the good guys, you know. So if I could RP as a agent of Chaos attempting to liberate people from their evil overlords I'm all for it, otherwise no.

I think a Warhammer RPG would be more suitable, especially as it would scale better.

Forgive my ignorance, but how are a bunch of bloodthirsty nutters who worship gods who want to massacre and/or drive everyone to the point beyond insanity the "good guys"?

VonKlaw:

GoaThief:
No, because I don't like the fanatical Nazi bigots. Chaos are actually (or were, depending on viewpoint) the good guys, you know. So if I could RP as a agent of Chaos attempting to liberate people from their evil overlords I'm all for it, otherwise no.

I think a Warhammer RPG would be more suitable, especially as it would scale better.

Forgive my ignorance, but how are a bunch of bloodthirsty nutters who worship gods who want to massacre and/or drive everyone to the point beyond insanity the "good guys"?

As a Chaos player myself I shall present the two sides that exist within my brain :)

First of all, the Imperium are indeed religiously fascist, monocultural Nazi folk. Chaos represents the desire to liberate the universe from the restraint of the Emperor and allow every person their own liberty and desire, that is practically factory driven from human nature under the Imperium. Many 'traitors' don't even worship chaos, they just don't follow the regime.

On the other hand; Chaos Gods are twisted and murderous demons. They exist only to lift themselves higher as deities and mess around with all the other races as they say fit, competing amongst one another for the hell of it.

SO it's freedom or death... and both at once.

Um, probably not. The races of 40K are far, far, far too hateful towards each other for anything MEish...

'S why I played Tau. Y'know the only conventional "good" guys in the entire universe.

GameCalmer:

Ultratwinkie:
No. Warhammer races don't rally with each other.

Next question.

im sure the imperium would rally with say a peaceful race, or a race that would not be violent towards the imperium

say the asari

The very fact that the Asari are aliens mean the Imperium will want to destroy them. The Imperium of Man does not willingly ally with aliens, except under extraordinary circumstances. And no, they deal with Reaper-levels of destruction every day. The Reapers are not extraordinary.

The Wykydtron:
Um, probably not. The races of 40K are far, far, far too hateful towards each other for anything MEish...

'S why I played Tau. Y'know the only conventional "good" guys in the entire universe.

And even the Tau are led by leaders who essentially use mind-control, mass-sterilize captured enemies and have a penchant for concentration camps. And that's why I like 40k.

Ultratwinkie:
The Imperium hates all races. Always. Its a basic fact repeated through the entire series.

True, but as one of the Grey Knights Grand Masters said: 'Today's ally is tomorrow's enemy.'

So it could make an intriguing game of constant backstabbing.

Still, I'll agree that the answer is an emphatic 'no', primarily due to a distinct lack of unity... on the part of virtually all the races themselves. All the Chaos factions hate each other, all the Imperial factions are distrustful of each other, the Eldar craftworlds view each other with distaste, the Necron Overlords can't wait to one-up each other etc. etc.

You could definitely make an RPG out of it (just not as any sort of Space Marine), but not in the vein of Mass Effect.

80Maxwell08:
I'm going to assume you have no real knowledge of Warhammer 40000. The answer is no. There are no alliances ever in Warhammer 40000. Even temporary truces will end up in all sides against each other if they haven't already tried killing each other. Also there's nothing in the universe that can unite even the most peaceful races together. The Imperium is best described with the phrase is "Beware the alien, the mutant, the heretic". The Tau fully believe in the "Greater Good" and will not deviate from it so if any conflicts involve that happen (and they will happen with no doubt) there will be instant war. The Eldar believe themselves to be superior to all other races and would be plotting how to use the other races to their own advantage. There will never be peace in the Warhammer 40000 universe. That was the whole point of it existing to critique the horrors of war and socialism. Hence why humanity in Warhammer 40000 is based more off Soviet Russia than the U.S. or the U.K. where it originated from.

I don't think it specifically criticises socialism more than anything else. I mean, you have the communist Tau, the libertarian(ish) Chaos, the totalitarian Imperium, anarchist Orks, and whatever the Eldar are. The only reason capitalism isn't in there is because it doesn't lend itself to KILL! MAIM! BURN!.

It's worth remembering that Imperium doesn't hate and despise ALL xenos, just 99.9% of them.

They are quite cool towards the jokaero for example, whose planet and species is granted a special status sparing them from being exterminatus in return for their juicy digital tech which ends up being used by imperial officers and the inquisition. I guess exceptions like this are only possible though because IOM really doesn't view a single planet of mechanically gifted orang utans to be a threat.

But yeh there will hardly be an me type scenario where a random imperial super soldier goes around recruiting major xenos races. That simply ain't gonna happen, not least because the IOM wiped out or unrooted just about every major xenos race that could have qualified.

Anyways a mass effect type rpg in 40k could be cool (minus all this talk of alliance with xenos, that's just heresy), but for morality and interrupts, NO paragorn, only a choice of what type of renegade :P
Do you burn the xenos with holy flame, rip them to shreds with a blessed chainsaw or flay them with mind bullets? MORAL DECISIONS

Puritan vs Radical inquisitor morality maybe?

Da Orky Man:

GameCalmer:

Ultratwinkie:
No. Warhammer races don't rally with each other.

Next question.

im sure the imperium would rally with say a peaceful race, or a race that would not be violent towards the imperium

say the asari

The very fact that the Asari are aliens mean the Imperium will want to destroy them. The Imperium of Man does not willingly ally with aliens, except under extraordinary circumstances. And no, they deal with Reaper-levels of destruction every day. The Reapers are not extraordinary.

The Wykydtron:
Um, probably not. The races of 40K are far, far, far too hateful towards each other for anything MEish...

'S why I played Tau. Y'know the only conventional "good" guys in the entire universe.

And even the Tau are led by leaders who essentially use mind-control, mass-sterilize captured enemies and have a penchant for concentration camps. And that's why I like 40k.

And suddenly "For the Greater Good" seems a much more chilling motto than I originally thought. XD

But i'll still say Tau are my favourites. I think. BRB finding my old Tau Codex out again. And to the Wiki of course!

I've never liked the Imperium though. the needless fantastic racism puts me right off them and what's with the need to fight their own Imperial Guard on a pretty regular basis anyway?

Although, this does bring up the question of what a 40K game made by Bioware would look like.

The ending:

1. Destroy chaos (this also destroys your snarky Dark Eldar love interest, because you *know* Bioware would give you a snarky Dark Eldar love interest.)
2. Control chaos.
3. Merge with chaos.

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