I really don't know what to say... The reaction of some people here make me afraid. Thanks to those ignorants the publishers get away with such crap and will become even worse. Right now there are only two games that I want to buy: Half-Lifeģ and Hitman Absolution. Half-Life will be no problem as Valve (despite Steam being DRM) is actually the developer I like most. Free DLC's, Updates over years and superb games. That's what I call service! I just hope that Hitman won't have too restrictive DRM (don't think it won't have DRM at all :( ).
Origin has NOTHING worth buying that I cannot compensate with this formula:
Someone with time and money needs to start taking these types of issues to court to legally bar publishers from doing this type of stuff on the basis of consumer rights.
Lord Kloo: If you're modding multiplayer to the extent that players have unfair advantages, I could maybe forgive EA..
But modding the fucking single player.. this smacks to me of EA not wanting free, user made content when they intend to sell you $50 worth of DLCs by the end of the year.. especially as said user based content will actually address issues and be better and popular
And I quote, from the guy whose off-hand response started this shitstorm and who corrected it long before you posted in this thread, and thus should know better if you'd bothered to actually click on the link in the OP...
"As mentioned by Scylla, you will not be banned for modifying your files *unless (and this is where my intention was) they give you an unfair advantage in any multiplayer aspect of the game."
Lord Kloo: If you're modding multiplayer to the extent that players have unfair advantages, I could maybe forgive EA..
But modding the fucking single player.. this smacks to me of EA not wanting free, user made content when they intend to sell you $50 worth of DLCs by the end of the year.. especially as said user based content will actually address issues and be better and popular
And I quote, from the guy whose off-hand response started this shitstorm and who corrected it long before you posted in this thread, and thus should know better if you'd bothered to actually click on the link in the OP...
"As mentioned by Scylla, you will not be banned for modifying your files *unless (and this is where my intention was) they give you an unfair advantage in any multiplayer aspect of the game."
Nice to see I wasn't the only one who actually followed the link and read the forum. I was confused why we had 14 pages saying the opposite of what the OP link said.
Regardless of law, a developer not letting you mod a game for single-player purposes are massive idiots.
The arguement that "you wouldn't modify something you borrowed of someone" doesn't hold up here, because 1)The original doesn't change (as it would if I pimped a lent lawnmower) and 2) Even if they retract my license of the game, they do not take away my copy of the game in its changed state to use themselves (unlike the lawnmower).
Modding is more like taking a photocopy of a document and highlighting it to make it easy to read.
franconbean: If they ban modding and enforce it, PC gaming will come full circle. If this becomes a trend, people will turn to the indie developers, who will become financially powerful and just like the old corporations... and that cycle will repeat itself.
Ok, that's unlikely to be true, but I think it's a cool theory.
Edit: Oh, and i guess the people who argue against modding haven't played "Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines". The game was unplayable without fan-made patches. Sometimes games need player base support. Big companies will never recognise this: They will just sweep it under the rug every time.
I played VTM:B Unmodded actually. But overall I agree.
This whole "You don't own it, you license it" BS is insane. You want to cheat ONLINE? Then hell yes ban the a-hole. You want to mod/cheat/whatever in the SOLO (affecting no-one-but-you) content of something you paid money for? Fine. The thing that pops into my mind (since I just saw some while websurfing) is custom action figures. Imagine you bought an action figure you wanted to sculpt/build into something you think is cooler, and then Mattel or whoever found out & took that toy away.
I think we'd all go "They have lost their damn minds".
This seems to be a case of Bioware punishing online cheating, being blown out of proportion to the point where people worry about them scouring their computer to detect any miniscule change.
Nothing to see here. Nobody's saying you can't scratch out portions of the book you bought and replace it with your own prose so it sounds better to you... it's all just paper/bits of data, and trying to regulate something like that would be insane and pointless. Unless you use programming skill to cheat in multiplayer, distribute the game for free, or modify their game into something slightly different that you intend to sell without giving them a cut, nobody's going to care.
And as long as nobody cares, it doesn't matter what the law or the EULA states, because nobody's going to bother enforcing it. Reminds me of the folks who worry about aliens or the government watching their every move, reading their thoughts or whatever... relax. That would be a LOT of work, even were it possible, and I guarantee that you the worrier are not that important to anybody with the ability. :-P
"Hey, I know! Let's deliberately shorten the life of one of our flagship titles by making modding a bannable offence! And alienate a completely die-hard mass effect community that has done nothing but praise our efforts and is eager to expose the true untapped potential and replay value of the game! That'll get em' to buy more console units! God damn PC gamers, I hate them."
Seriously EA, just all of you jump off a building. Like, now. If you're reading this, end your life. Do it. Splatter you're warped and twisted remains on the pavement. Make sure your soul is blasted into the forming of the 8th circle of hell. The one especially for bullshit like Origin.
At this point I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that the only way to correct people's misplaced vitriol over this issue to is reply to each of them individually to tell them that if they'd bothered to actually click the link in the OP, they'd see that the ban only applies if you mod the game in order to cheat at multiplayer.
That's it.
The same thing that just about every multiplayer game in the world does.
At this point I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that the only way to correct people's misplaced vitriol over this issue to is reply to each of them individually to tell them that if they'd bothered to actually click the link in the OP, they'd see that the ban only applies if you mod the game in order to cheat at multiplayer.
That's it.
The same thing that just about every multiplayer game in the world does.
Though, to be fair, the title of the original post is misleading, as is the text. It's rather odd to have a hyperlink in your post that seems in no way to support the rest of what you write. :-P
Though, to be fair, the title of the original post is misleading, as is the text. It's rather odd to have a hyperlink in your post that seems in no way to support the rest of what you write. :-P
Oh, I understand the confusion, I just expect (mistakenly apparently) people to perform at least a token amount of investigation before they start foaming at the mouth.
When the OP was written, the point was, at least on the surface, valid. It took several days for the guy who made the off-the-cuff remark to clarify his statement, and by then I'm sure the internet hate machine was in full swing.
But it's just... silly, most of the time, when people work themselves into a lather over something that seems too ridiculous to be true, and it of course turns out not to be.
You have to be seriously mentally challenged to ban people for modding games. They make PC gamers buy the games and DLC just so they could support a company that does good by them. Would Bethesda be where it is now if their games weren't so heavily moddable? Would Valve be where it is? Fuck no. Counter Strike was created as a mod. Counter Strike made Valve famous. Counter Strike uplifted e-sports and companies that manufacture mouses, mousepads and gaming keyboards. After Counter Strike every major developer tried to recreate it's success, thus creating Battlefield and Call of Duty (among others). Big companies owe everything to the modding community! Treyarch went as far as to rip off gun-game which is a community mod for Counter Strike. God knows what modding community could come up with if Bioware released modding tools for ME3 and if DICE released modding tools for BF3. They could create new mods, new missions, new games. People would buy the core game just to be able to play awesome mods. EA could then adopt those mods as official mods and base games on them. That's what a good company does. That's what Valve did and look at them!
Adam Jensen: You have to be seriously mentally challenged to ban people for modding games.
Good for you they're not going to. Click the link in the OP.
"As mentioned by Scylla, you will not be banned for modifying your files *unless (and this is where my intention was) they give you an unfair advantage in any multiplayer aspect of the game."
Adam Jensen: You have to be seriously mentally challenged to ban people for modding games.
Good for you they're not going to. Click the link in the OP.
"As mentioned by Scylla, you will not be banned for modifying your files *unless (and this is where my intention was) they give you an unfair advantage in any multiplayer aspect of the game."
Read the last post, Origin bans anyone with modded SP files. Not surprising considering this is EA.
Read the last post, Origin bans anyone with modded SP files. Not surprising considering this is EA.
I did. Did you?
Recently, at least?
"To clarify,
Scylla was correct and I was correct. Scylla's answer was more broadly based in that if you modify your SP and it has no game changing effects to your/others multiplayer experience (say for example, granting you x amount of credits or making a weapon x times more powerful) then there is no problem with this. My answer was poorly worded and I apologize for that - I was aiming to answer a couple questions I had received via PM (the same two questions from many different users) as well as support what Scylla said.
As mentioned by Scylla, you will not be banned for modifying your files *unless (and this is where my intention was) they give you an unfair advantage in any multiplayer aspect of the game."
You can write all over the books you buy, despite them not being your intellectual property. How are mods any different?
Fappy: This is ludicrous. I am sorry but when I purchase a product from someone I expect to be able to do with it what I will within the confines of the law. EA can kindly go to hell.
Isn't that like telling a trout it can go jump in a lake?
Read the last post, Origin bans anyone with modded SP files. Not surprising considering this is EA.
I did. Did you?
Recently, at least?
"To clarify,
Scylla was correct and I was correct. Scylla's answer was more broadly based in that if you modify your SP and it has no game changing effects to your/others multiplayer experience (say for example, granting you x amount of credits or making a weapon x times more powerful) then there is no problem with this. My answer was poorly worded and I apologize for that - I was aiming to answer a couple questions I had received via PM (the same two questions from many different users) as well as support what Scylla said.
As mentioned by Scylla, you will not be banned for modifying your files *unless (and this is where my intention was) they give you an unfair advantage in any multiplayer aspect of the game."
"To confirm, YES you will be banned if Origin picks up that you modified SP which it scans for on ME3 launch. Locked."
This is all I need, why are you even trying to defend this policy?
Double A: You can write all over the books you buy, despite them not being your intellectual property. How are mods any different?
Fappy: This is ludicrous. I am sorry but when I purchase a product from someone I expect to be able to do with it what I will within the confines of the law. EA can kindly go to hell.
Isn't that like telling a trout it can go jump in a lake?
Read the last post, Origin bans anyone with modded SP files. Not surprising considering this is EA.
I did. Did you?
Recently, at least?
"To clarify,
Scylla was correct and I was correct. Scylla's answer was more broadly based in that if you modify your SP and it has no game changing effects to your/others multiplayer experience (say for example, granting you x amount of credits or making a weapon x times more powerful) then there is no problem with this. My answer was poorly worded and I apologize for that - I was aiming to answer a couple questions I had received via PM (the same two questions from many different users) as well as support what Scylla said.
As mentioned by Scylla, you will not be banned for modifying your files *unless (and this is where my intention was) they give you an unfair advantage in any multiplayer aspect of the game."
"To confirm, YES you will be banned if Origin picks up that you modified SP which it scans for on ME3 launch. Locked."
This is all I need, why are you even trying to defend this policy?
He went back and clarified his statement to what I posted above.
I really don't know how much clearer I can make this.
It's clear why EA are punishing people who mod Mass Effect 3, it's control. They want control over the product because then they can just sell more of it, nobody makes stuff they might want to put into DLC that someone might have the brazen gall to make for the sake of oh, I don't know, making the game more enjoyable. Such selfishness for someone to make an enhancement to the game in their spare time without EA's permission, and going against EULAs..... Because those are the cornerstones of everything that society stands for obviously.
Seriously, who the hell can actually support this kind of thing, and above all, why? Hurts nobody, and only gives people more enjoyment. Bethesda and Valve have the right idea, EA are fast becoming a company I will actively deny money to.
Seriously, who the hell can actually support this kind of thing, and above all, why? Hurts nobody, and only gives people more enjoyment. Bethesda and Valve have the right idea, EA are fast becoming a company I will actively deny money to.
The post was updated, admittedly days after what was likely an off-the-cuff remark that ultimately sparked this thread.
The first rep to speak in the thread was correct; you'll only get banned if you mod the game to cheat in multiplayer. Which is pretty much the way it works with every damn multiplayer game there is anyway.
All this misplaced rage is eroding my faith in humanity and their ability to do things like, you know, read.
All this misplaced rage is eroding my faith in humanity and their ability to do things like, you know, read.
It's misplaced because they changed their statement AFTER the topic took off? At least try to keep the misanthropic jabs in context and continuity if you must make them.
All this misplaced rage is eroding my faith in humanity and their ability to do things like, you know, read.
It's misplaced because they changed their statement AFTER the topic took off? At least try to keep the misanthropic jabs in context and continuity if you must make them.
Basically anyone who came in after post 449 (my own, I might add) and who didn't remark that this whole thing has basically been a tempest in a teapot is suffering from misplaced rage, yes.
Basically anyone who came in after post 449 (my own, I might add) and who didn't remark that this whole thing has basically been a tempest in a teapot is suffering from misplaced rage, yes.
Well, as long as we aren't slamming anyone out of order... Carry on with your contempt for humanity. ^_^
Well, as long as we aren't slamming anyone out of order... Carry on with your contempt for humanity. ^_^
Honestly, it just gets frustrating when people clearly feel the need to chime in without reading anything other than the OP, and not even bothering to click on the link before they rush to the end to scribble down some rage-induced rant.
I've seen this exact pattern repeated over and over again when someone makes an off-the-cuff remark in an official capacity (an inherently contradictory one in this instance, actually), and people just explode for days until a clarification is made... and then people who can't be bothered to stay current continue to explode with rage.
Honestly, it just gets frustrating when people clearly feel the need to chime in without reading anything other than the OP, and not even bothering to click on the link before they rush to the end to scribble down some rage-induced rant.
I've seen this exact pattern repeated over and over again when someone makes an off-the-cuff remark in an official capacity (an inherently contradictory one in this instance, actually), and people just explode for days until a clarification is made... and then people who can't be bothered to stay current continue to explode with rage.
Oh, I know that frustration all too well.
Within this very topic (some 4 pages or something back), I explained the logic behind contract law and its intent rather explicitly...only to have the same incorrect claims and ignorant statements about it pop up again.
The frustration of futility is not wasted on me. But hey, I don't hate humanity for it. I just hate the stupidity. And hard as it is to believe in the moment, there is more to people than just collective idiocy.
At this point I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that the only way to correct people's misplaced vitriol over this issue to is reply to each of them individually to tell them that if they'd bothered to actually click the link in the OP, they'd see that the ban only applies if you mod the game in order to cheat at multiplayer.
That's it.
The same thing that just about every multiplayer game in the world does.
Here's the problem, I've poked around with the modding software, and I can think of at least 3 settings that might affect MP. The files are designed very poorly and not all settings that affect MP are so tagged.
Kahunaburger: I'm curious as to where the jump from "EA will ban you if they catch you modding Mass Effect" to "you shouldn't mod Mass Effect" comes from. I'd be more inclined to say "you should try not to get caught."
I going to be honest here, I have no idea what point you're trying to make.
EA will ban you if they catch you modding Mass Effect 3 - this has been the case before I even discovered this thread, it was established by BioWare, not me.
You shouldn't mod Mass Effect 3 - I said this at the very start, so I don't know how you think I jumped to it.
Also, you'd rather argue with someone has an opinion instead of the people who actually created the problem?
Because EA isn't an earthquake or a Bear. It's not some kind of uncontrolled natural phenomena, it's a company made up of people. Thus we can assign moral character to it's actions and assess them with adjectives like "good" or "bad".
Okay so EA will ban you for modding their games. Fine. The question is should they?
Adam Jensen: This is a unacceptable. They couldn't even be arsed to make the FOV in PC version tolerable. We have to mod the game in order to play it without getting sick, and they wanna ban us for it. They fucked up PC version. Is it really that hard to make a FOV slider and add in some graphics options and a holster button? They made the fuckin' game they can add that stuff in less than 5 minutes.
Okay, I have to ask: what exactly does changing the FOV do? I haven't had any problems with it in any of the Mass Effects, but seeing everyone complain about it makes me curious.
I really don't know what to say...
The reaction of some people here make me afraid. Thanks to those ignorants the publishers get away with such crap and will become even worse.
Right now there are only two games that I want to buy: Half-Lifeģ and Hitman Absolution.
Half-Life will be no problem as Valve (despite Steam being DRM) is actually the developer I like most. Free DLC's, Updates over years and superb games. That's what I call service!
I just hope that Hitman won't have too restrictive DRM (don't think it won't have DRM at all :( ).
Origin has NOTHING worth buying that I cannot compensate with this formula:
The Orange Box + moddb.com