Why don't you play games on PC?

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Strain42:
Now, I know is can be a tricky topic, and I'm hoping that both sides here can try to keep the insults and snobbery to a minimum.

Wait, you want a civil discussion on the internet? BWAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! What is this, an April Fools Joke?

There is no such thing as civil discussion on the internet...oh man...I mean don't get me wrong, I can't fault you for trying but...wow...

On topic: I play on the PC, I bought my computer about 4 years ago. I'm looking at possibly having to make a $50 upgrade sometime soon, but considering that the majority of the games I've bought were +50% off, I've saved money in the long run. I can also use the PC for college work, and if I ever want to play a certain genre, odds are I can get a game for free and play until bored. the F2P scene on the PC is massive, making the PC the only platform that can cater to my every whim.

Now, I WILL play on the console if I have company over, or am going to another persons house, because it's very difficult to move my tower everywhere/play LAN on a keyboard.

kommando367:

That's just it. There is a lot of RTSs and MMOs, but I don't like those genres.
I like single player hack and slash games that aren't just "auto-attack with dice rolls and button mapped powers", FPSs, and action RPGs. There doesn't seem to be near as many of those as on console. Basically, games like God of War and Killzone 3 which are exclusives of playstation systems. Like I said before, I'm not sure where to look for PC equivalents of these games in the first place.

Dude, I will point you in the right direction if you give me a forum PM, I promise. I know just the games for you.

Because then I can't pause GTA IV on my xbox then go straight to browsing and lurking and posting on here before unpausing and playing a bit more. I like to keep the internet open. Besides which, a lot of games seem to think that completely getting rid of fullscreen toggles was a good idea. It messes with quicktime when the fullscreen thing messes with my display.

I currently own a Mac. That's why I don't play games on a PC.

Now, I do play some games on my computer. But this machine is old and outdated--some of its parts were outdated when the thing was brand new--to the point of having to strain just to run my web browser. Playing Minecraft is a veritable nightmare.

endtherapture:

5. My laptop (which runs Crysis and The Witcher 2 on high) cost 500. More expensive than a console yes, but I can carry it around, do my uni work on it, Facebook and go on Twitter and forums and Youtube with it, watch DVDs on it, store all my photos and music on it too. It's the ultimate media centre for me.

What make and model??

my laptop is decent enough for current gen (well...was at least) thease days I stick to console purely for reliability

ph0b0s123:
Have to say, 'becuase I want to use a controller' is not a good reason as you can use every controller known to man on the PC.

And it always works. The way it's meant to. All the time.

This is the snobbery I can't stand from PC gamers. The classic comparison between a mouse/keyboard to a controller. There simply is none because the two are never pitted against each other.

No serious automotive race in the world pits cars against motorbikes. Motorbikes race other motorbikes, cars race other cars. It is obvious that motorbike racers will always favor motorbikes and car racers will always favor cars.

It's perfectly acceptable to say "I want to use a controller" because when every single game on the platform is designed to solely be manipulated with a controller and not a mouse/keyboard/joystick/gamepad/etc, the controls will be consistently solid and uniform. That's not to say PC controls aren't solid, but the fact of the matter is that as far as control setups go, console game developers have a lot less to worry about compared to PC game devs.

The above aside, I find a controller to be more comfortable to hold, I feel that Rumble/Vibration add a lot to a game, and I like analog control in movement.

Racecarlock:
Because then I can't pause GTA IV on my xbox then go straight to browsing and lurking and posting on here before unpausing and playing a bit more. I like to keep the internet open. Besides which, a lot of games seem to think that completely getting rid of fullscreen toggles was a good idea. It messes with quicktime when the fullscreen thing messes with my display.

Jeebus. I can't even begin to count how many times I've done this with my laptop and GTA IV on my 360. It's partly the reason why I've heard pretty much all of the radio stations from start to finish haha.

JasonKaotic:

I'm 17 dude, I don't have $100.

You should look into getting a job. I'm 17 and have considerably more than $100 lying about.

JDLY:

Noswad:
1.sofa is more comfortable than an office chair
3. I can't fit a large desktop on my desk

Nothing against you, you're not the only one who posted this, just the most recent.

Play PC games on my 42" Hi-def tv, from my couch (keyboard in lap and a mousepad (a rigid one) on the couch next to me.

I'm not saying it's for everyone, my friend who got me into PC gaming prefers a desk and chair.

But I think that every time somebody says something like "my console is plugged into my giant tv" or "a couch is more comfortable" because I'm sitting on my couch while typing this on my giant tv.

hmmm, good point, but that is OK if you have a 42" high def tv. I have the choice of a new small 1080p tv or a large 480p, neither of which can I read text for any duration of time on and I like to have my laptop on my lap while I watch the TV.

Can't afford it. That by far is the biggest reason. you'll say "well the games are usually more expensive on systems so that kinda a-" fuck no it doesnt! I hardly ever even buy games anymore, there's no way I can sing 700-1200 bucks into a PC just to throw away some more to pay for something to play on it..

Strain42:

RT:

Strain42:
Now, I know is can be a tricky topic, and I'm hoping that both sides here can try to keep the insults and snobbery to a minimum. I'm not making this thread to start arguments, I'm just wondering.

If you don't play PC games, why? There are so many reasons out there, I just wanna hear some peoples.

In my case it's because I spend enough time on my computer as it is. I do almost all of my work on the computer, being a cartoonist, and I also do the vast majority of my homework on the computer. That, coupled with the time I spend just being on the web, it adds up to quite a bit of computer time. The last thing I personally wanna do is add "the time I spend playing video games" to that list.

There is one PC game I own that I really would like to play again (Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines) but ever since I got my new PC, I haven't been able to run it. So my PC gaming has pretty much come to a complete halt.

You must be doing something wrong. Steam version runs perfectly on my Win7.

Well I don't use Steam or Windows 7, so neither of those are really relevant to me, sorry.

Did you patch it?

LiquidSolstice:

ph0b0s123:
Have to say, 'becuase I want to use a controller' is not a good reason as you can use every controller known to man on the PC.

And it always works. The way it's meant to. All the time.

This is the snobbery I can't stand from PC gamers. The classic comparison between a mouse/keyboard to a controller. There simply is none because the two are never pitted against each other.

No serious automotive race in the world pits cars against motorbikes. Motorbikes race other motorbikes, cars race other cars. It is obvious that motorbike racers will always favor motorbikes and car racers will always favor cars.

It's perfectly acceptable to say "I want to use a controller" because when every single game on the platform is designed to solely be manipulated with a controller and not a mouse/keyboard/joystick/gamepad/etc, the controls will be consistently solid and uniform. That's not to say PC controls aren't solid, but the fact of the matter is that as far as control setups go, console game developers have a lot less to worry about compared to PC game devs.

The above aside, I find a controller to be more comfortable to hold, I feel that Rumble/Vibration add a lot to a game, and I like analog control in movement.

So someone else who has missed the point. Try readin the quote again, I can wait. It said nothing about whether m/k or controller is better, only you can pick the one you want on PC. So wanting to play with a controller is not a reason not to consider playing on PC, becuase you can use a controller with PC. Also since most games are now ports from console they bring the same controller scheme as at least on the 360.

Sometimes it takes more setup time to use the controller on the PC than on console, no argument and not my original point.

I think someone sees snobbery where there is none, but sure you go on and rant, just try to stick to the point you were quoting rather than something unrelated.

Well because its to dam expensive. The cost of getting into PC games is just to high to ever make it worthwhile. Plus you still have to keep upgrading parts more often then you will upgrade a console. There are other reasons but this is the main one.

leet_x1337:

Palademon:
I can easily start a game without having to wait for my console to start up everything.

I'm sorry, what?

Between firmware updates, badly optimised loading and trying to log into a service using a keyboard that's used with the controller, you spend just as much time as us waiting for something to start (assuming you don't solely use pre-firmware consoles.)

Edit: Stuff takes a while to load on all disc-based media, console or PC. You get firmware updates, we get patches which might or might not fix stuff, both of us have to log into services a lot, and now with Microsoft saying you can only play your XBLA games using the exact same console AND exact same user you bought them with...

On my xbox:
1. Turn on
2. Autosigns in
3. Auto starts game if I wish
4. Maybe a 5 seconds update

I don't quite understand the point about having to type to log into something on a console. That's very rare, and if I do I always have a keypad in for messaging anyway.

On my computer:
1. Turn on
2. Wait to get to log screen
3. Log in
4. Wait for computer to finish start ups
5. Start Steam
6. Wait for it to load
7. Click on game library
8. Wait to start up

Edit: It would've been better for me to say in my original post that I do play PC games, just not primarily.

I just want to say one thing to the people that say it's to hard to build a PC on your own... If you cant build one because it's simply "To difficult" I can only really call you either lazy, or dumb... Simply because.
I managed to build my own, starting from the case and asembling all the parts on my own, from the case > motherboard > the fans, in the end everything turned out great and the PC runs Better than the stock ones I'd bought in stores before.

After 6 months now nothing has failed, it runs cooler than any other PC I've had before and so far I havent had a single system crash, one of the fans might have run into an issue so I'll have to open her up and check that when I get home today, but that's still a good build in my book.

So what is my past experience with computers? Second hand experience with switching a graphics card, that's only it. As far as things I did on my own it had been nothing more than opening it up to blow out some dust once every blue moon.

With that little experience I managed to put a perfectly smooth running PC together from scratch, sure it was stressing and took a couple of hours, sure I had not just the manual but an instruction video running while doing it.

What I'm saying is thou, the point that you have to be some kind of tech wizz to build a PC is bulljunkies, it's really just lego with expensive parts.

As far as complexity goes when you are using a PC, complaining about things like install times and things like that is outright stupid, what do you do when you have a 10 minute instal or waiting for a 1 hour download? You tab down and do something else, something you cant do on consoles.

Palademon:

leet_x1337:

Palademon:
I can easily start a game without having to wait for my console to start up everything.

I'm sorry, what?

Between firmware updates, badly optimised loading and trying to log into a service using a keyboard that's used with the controller, you spend just as much time as us waiting for something to start (assuming you don't solely use pre-firmware consoles.)

Edit: Stuff takes a while to load on all disc-based media, console or PC. You get firmware updates, we get patches which might or might not fix stuff, both of us have to log into services a lot, and now with Microsoft saying you can only play your XBLA games using the exact same console AND exact same user you bought them with...

On my xbox:
1. Turn on
2. Autosigns in
3. Auto starts game if I wish
4. Maybe a 5 seconds update

I don't quite understand the point about having to type to log into something on a console. That's very rare, and if I do I always have a keypad in for messaging anyway.

On my computer:
1. Turn on
2. Wait to get to log screen
3. Log in
4. Wait for computer to finish start ups
5. Start Steam
6. Wait for it to load
7. Click on game library
8. Wait to start up

Edit: It would've been better for me to say in my original post that I do play PC games, just not primarily.

For PS3 it's

1. Turn on
2. Get through epilepsy message
3. Log in
4. Wait for icons to appear
5. Auto sign-in
6. Start game
7a. Game update
7b. Game update
7c. Game update
7d. Game update
7e. Game update
8. Play game

ph0b0s123:
So someone else who has missed the point. Try readin the quote again, I can wait. It said nothing about whether m/k or controller is better, only you can pick the one you want on PC. So wanting to play with a controller is not a reason not to consider playing on PC, becuase you can use a controller with PC. Also since most games are now ports from console they bring the same controller scheme as at least on the 360.

Sometimes it takes more setup time to use the controller on the PC than on console, no argument and not my original point.

I think someone sees snobbery where there is none, but sure you go on and rant, just try to stick to the point you were quoting rather than something unrelated.

Ironic you tell me to read when you obviously haven't done it yourself. "I want to use a controller" is a very legitimate reason because PC games are not made with a controller as the main control device. There is no guarantee your controls will work the way you want them to.

Adding further to that, all console players use controllers (with certain exceptions). Therefore, in online gaming, if you want to use a controller on a PC, you will get destroyed because everyone else will be using a keyboard and a mouse because the two are never meant to go against each other.

You just want to dismiss the idea of a controller because your machine of choice has the capability of it. Capability != advantage, a fact that seems to evade most PC gamers. So again, aside from your attempt to tell me what I was or was not saying, the phrase "I want to use a controller" is a very legitimate preference and is a large factor in what platform you choose to play.

But don't let such logic get in your way. Your PC is just super-mega-awesome because you can plug in a gamepad, end of story.

I can see how people who just don't invest enough time gaming to justify the amount of time and money required to build a PC, or lack the knowledge to do so.

It's confusing though, that so many people say the prefer the controller. You can use any controller you want on a PC.

leet_x1337:

Palademon:
I can easily start a game without having to wait for my console to start up everything.

I'm sorry, what?

Between firmware updates, badly optimised loading and trying to log into a service using a keyboard that's used with the controller, you spend just as much time as us waiting for something to start (assuming you don't solely use pre-firmware consoles.)

Edit: Stuff takes a while to load on all disc-based media, console or PC. You get firmware updates, we get patches which might or might not fix stuff, both of us have to log into services a lot, and now with Microsoft saying you can only play your XBLA games using the exact same console AND exact same user you bought them with...

Protip: Use a console before making judgment on how it operates. Judging from what you're saying, you've read about them and that's about it.

1. "Firmware Updates": They happen maybe 3 times in a year. (1 major, 2 maintenance)

2. "Badly optimized loading": What the fuck? What is badly optimized about not needing to install a game before playing it? Compared to the weaker hardware that console game devs have to work with, a console game is quite possibly the single most optimized-for platform that exists. And if you're not happy with how long it's taking, you can install the game to the hard drive for better loading speeds. (Regardless, I can time it; going from completely off to match-made and in a CoD game takes me less than 60 seconds)

3. "Trying to log into a service": This is where it's clear to me that you haven't actually used an Xbox before; we don't have to sign in with a keyboard every single time we turn our console on. You're automatically signed into the last Live account you were on. Not to mention, Live plugs into every single game you plan on the Xbox. There are no multiple services to sign into, nothing.

4. I will bet you money that if we both brought home the same game from the store, me on an Xbox, you on a PC, I'd be playing the game before your computer even finishes turning on (forget installing). We do not "wait the same amount of time". Please don't delude yourself.

5. What Microsoft says you can and can't do with your XBLA games has nothing to do with how long anything takes on a console.

I'm gonna take a wild guess here and say how most people don't have and can't afford (or think they can't afford) a gaming PC.

CarlMinez:
I can see how people who just don't invest enough time gaming to justify the amount of time and money required to build a PC, or lack the knowledge to do so.

It's confusing though, that so many people say the prefer the controller. You can use any controller you want on a PC.

The thing is its really not the same.

LiquidSolstice:

Ironic you tell me to read when you obviously haven't done it yourself. "I want to use a controller" is a very legitimate reason because PC games are not made with a controller as the main control device. There is no guarantee your controls will work the way you want them to.

Adding further to that, all console players use controllers (with certain exceptions). Therefore, in online gaming, if you want to use a controller on a PC, you will get destroyed because everyone else will be using a keyboard and a mouse because the two are never meant to go against each other.

You just want to dismiss the idea of a controller because your machine of choice has the capability of it. Capability != advantage, a fact that seems to evade most PC gamers. So again, aside from your attempt to tell me what I was or was not saying, the phrase "I want to use a controller" is a very legitimate preference and is a large factor in what platform you choose to play.

But don't let such logic get in your way. Your PC is just super-mega-awesome because you can plug in a gamepad, end of story.

So 'I cannot game on PC becuase I cannot use a controller' has changed to, I cannot game on the PC becuase controllers are not the main controller and not everyone is forced to use them, so I am at a disadvantage when gaming on-line. Good job on moving the goal posts.

PC support of controllers not being as good as consoles, is not that same as no support at all and then therefore not worth considering if you want to use a controller. The whole point of my original post.

And again please explain to me where I have stated anywhere through my posts that the PC are in some way mega awesome and better than consoles. You may have got annoyed with some snotty PC owner in the past, but that is not me, so please take your misplaced anger with that PC owner and direct it where it is deserved, otherwise you will give console fan a bad name....

The problem is the stated reason. If it was ' I game on consoles becuase it has the best controller support', I would agree completely. Saying I don't want to game on PC becuase I like controllers infers using controllers is not possible on PC.

I've fluctuated between being a console and PC gamer (currently a PC gamer).

On the occasions when I've stopped playing games on the PC, it's been because I can't afford to keep upgrading my system to meet the most recent hardware demands.

I actually prefer gaming on the PC nowadays because programs like Steam and Mumble allow me to talk to my friends quite easily while I play (if I feel social). This is something which is made more difficult (although is not impossible) if I wanted to be social while I play something on my PS3.

Recently, I'd actually add that modding games is appealing. I've installed a couple of custom skins for League of Legends, for example - they're something which I'm really enjoying, and they're purely cosmetic!

Some people just aren't as into gaming.

Some people do not wish to leave their comfort zone in order to get a better gaming experience.

For some, the Console is fine, they don't need higher frame rates, better graphics, higher resolutions, support for new technologies and all the other benefits the PC format brings.

Instead the cheap and easy console format is more suited to them.

The consoles are the Ipod, the PC the Hi-fi.

There's nothing wrong with that.

It depends on the type of game I'm playing. For strategy games and rpgs where I must control multiple characters like Baldur's Gate I prefer playing on PC, but for all other games, console is best for me.

I also prefer the stability of consoles for matters of game compatibility and hardware requirements. When I buy a console game, I know I'll be able to play it at its best quality and performance. Not so much with a PC game. It's not really the cost of upgrading that bugs me, just the hassle.

Finally, now that all consoles have their own online player base, I can play FPS in my couch with a controller without fear of getting pwned by mouse/keyboard players or people playing with shitty graphics just to get the best framerate. Okay... I get pwned anyway but at least it's not because of the hardware.

There's still the lag issue though...

I've only played RTS games on a PC but the idea intrigues me. Mobility would be a huge plus and mouse/keyboard controls are something I could easily get used to. Too bad my laptop died. XBox, PS1, and NES for now...

I play both, because picking just one side is for butthurt losers and poor people. (JUST JOKING, DON'T KILL ME.)

Platformers/Hack 'n slash will always be better on consoles. Strategy/FPS will always be better on PC. Why not have the best of both worlds?

(*Unless you can't afford it, in which case ignore everything I've said*)

Its not really too hard to play on PC. I've been doing it for several months after playing on consoles all my life and I think I like PC better.

There really is only about 8 or 9 parts you need, and they all come with instruction manuals. Besides, I took apart a computer without the use of a manual, because it really is pretty straightforward.

The cost may be an issue, but its not like people don't spend hundreds and thousands of dollars on stuff like Printers, TVs, Ipads. Plus remember how much the PS3 cost at launched? I think its only going to get worse.

The Lunatic:
Some people just aren't as into gaming.

Some people do not wish to leave their comfort zone in order to get a better gaming experience.

For some, the Console is fine, they don't need higher frame rates, better graphics, higher resolutions, support for new technologies and all the other benefits the PC format brings.

Instead the cheap and easy console format is more suited to them.

The consoles are the Ipod, the PC the Hi-fi.

There's nothing wrong with that.

Just shut up having more disposable income does not make you a more "hardcore".
I hate people like you who rip on console gamers for not playing games on the pc.

Mainly because my desktop is absolutely crap for running modern AAA titles. I tend to play more indie or older games on it. Also, I can't afford a decent gaming PC (my desktop seems to have something against saving my stats on TF2 which actually tends to put me off playing it somewhat) and my current PC is fine for all purposes bar gaming.

I could get a laptop for a cheaper price, but I absolutely despise laptops due to the fact that they are so damn fragile. If I could run modern AAA games on PC, then I would probabaly do that instead of buying the console version (and what with the rumors that have been flying around about the next generation of consoles, I am seriously considering abandoning consoles altogether). Ah well, I suppose most AAA games don't really interest me anymore...

The main reason is because my laptop and desktop are unable to keep up with the releases and quickly become obsolete. My second reason is because many great games such as Alan Wake, L.A. Noire, etc are avalible onlu on consoles until much later. My third reason is because very few of my friends play PC games; I would rather play with my friends then play by myself. Another reason that is subjective is because I feel most games play better with a controller (and yes, I know you can plug the controller into the PC but I don't know how and even if I did I wouldn't) while sitting on a couch. My wrists get cramps from playing TF2 after an hour (but that game is worth it XD) on a keyboard and I cannot fathom how I would complete a lengthy game such as Skyrim without my hands in tatters. Most of the games I play are FPSs, action-adventure, and Western RPGs as well and I find I play better on consoles due to experience.

EDIT: By no means does this make PC gaming bad. In fact, I think PC gaming is probably the best because of the potential. You can have a $2000 desktop or laptop and play anything at the highest resolution and you can do certain things to enhance your gaming experience that you cannot acquire on most console games. Internet is rarely as much of a problem as it is with consoles as well.

rolfwesselius:
Just shut up having more disposable income does not make you a more "hardcore".
I hate people like you who rip on console gamers for not playing games on the pc.

It's a better experience.

That's what people are paying money for.

Console gamers are not worse, they just want different things.

PC gamers are paying that much and playing games in a certain way so that they can get the most out of their gaming experience.

Console gamers aren't looking for that. And that's fine, as I said, it's like comparing a guy who spends 100 on an Ipod to a guy who spends 1,000 on a Hi-fi, they can both do the same thing, just at a different level.

Added to that, PCs do not have to be expensive.

Infact, if you add in the cheaper cost of games, chances are, it'd work out cheaper in the long run.

Of course, if you're looking to get the latest stuff and stay on the bleeding edge then it will be more expensive.

Cost ineffectiveness. I appreciate that someone with mild expertise can build a robust system with relatively modest funding, but I don't have the expertise. I could purchase something garish like an Alienware, but I don't have the inclination to effectively waste money. The disparity between console cost and PC cost for someone with no interest in computers bar 'it turns on and does what I need it' is too large.

Ease. PC games seem to be plagued with issues, mostly surrounding DRM. I purchased Civilization V, linked it to a Steam account and that's as far as that copy goes.

Association. I spend a lot of my working life staring at a monitor wielding a mouse and keyboard, in the time I have spare to play computer games I require a separation from my working life.

Considering the cost it would be to me to get a new PC it really isn't practical. My desktop is old and the processor is a Pentium D, so the slots are so antiquated a new Desktop is the most practical option. So I am looking at, at least $700 and that is a large investment for me. Add in the fact that the only games I play on PC are RTS and Sim games, it really isn't the best thing for me at the moment.

There's always the fear that whatever game I purchase won't work. I'd hate to spend 60 bucks on something that doesn't work. Consoles don't have that problem. That's why most games on my PC are older, save for Deus Ex: Human Revolution, which works fine half of the time.

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