Harder overall objective?
Gordan Freeman
65.6% (40)
65.6% (40)
Commander Shepard
34.4% (21)
34.4% (21)
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Poll: Who has the harder overall end goal? Commander Shepard or Gordan Freeman?

So I was watching my two favorite Miracle of Sound songs Gorand Freeman saved my life and Commander Shepard. And I was thinking out of the two of them who has the harder time of it objectively. Not just who has the more powerful enemies but also who has the the less resources to accomplish it, their internal resources, their allies, the technology they have, etc. I find it interesting cause they are my two favorite protagonist and they represent two completely different ways of letting you self insert. And I am at a loss by myself to objectively figure out who has the harder time of it. Personally I am leaning towards Gordan Freeman possibly cause his universe seems more bleak. So if you could help me out vote and give your reasoning.

Timaithis:
Not just who has the more powerful enemies but also who has the the less resources to accomplish it, their internal resources, their allies, the technology hey have, etc.

Based on that Criteria I'd cast my vote for Gordon, Not only is he not a trained soldier/mercenary. He very rarely has any allies or extra resources to accomplish his goal. He was a scientist who picked up a crowbar and fought for his life.

Commander shepherd was a high-ranking officer in the human military and had a galaxy of aliens/technology and weapons to help him defeat the reapers. plus he always had at least 2 allies with him to help him out.

Commander shepherd faced the bigger threat, however Gordon Freeman was the more unlikely hero.

That makes a lot of sense. And was what I was leaning towards. However Gordan Freeman is fighting from a guerilla warfare prespective and I have always thought of that as a slightly easier proposition from a logistic standpoint you don't have to worry as much about defending civlians etc, setting up and defending supply lines, manufacturing weapons and equipment since you can just steal all that stuff from the enemy. You can just slowly wear the enemy down on your own terms rather than being forced to go toe to toe with them. Though not sure if that makes that much of a difference overall.

Gordon is fighting a gurellia war against an enemy with seeming unlimited resources. We don't know how strong the Combine is, we don't know how big they are, we don't even know what their aims and goals they have. Gordon has some cool weapons, like the Gravity Gun, Dog, etc.

But the G-Man is seemingly omnipotent and I suppose Shepard had nothing like that.

Also the Reapers aren't miltidimensional. The Combine are. Earth held out against the Reapers for months. Earth held out against the Combine for like...7 hours?

Timaithis:
That makes a lot of sense. And was what I was leaning towards. However Gordan Freeman is fighting from a guerilla warfare prespective and I have always thought of that as a slightly easier proposition from a logistic standpoint you don't have to worry as much about defending civlians etc, setting up and defending supply lines, manufacturing weapons and equipment since you can just steal all that stuff from the enemy. You can just slowly wear the enemy down on your own terms rather than being forced to go toe to toe with them. Though not sure if that makes that much of a difference overall.

Well, that depends on a variety of factors (how popular the guerillas are with the locals, how secure enemy supply lines are, whether the enemy resorts to reprisals against civilians or not, spies and informants, etc.). Even successful resistance movements often have to overcome long odds and frightful losses before prevailing.

While Gordon has to rely on whatever he can scrounge from the Combine, Shepard has the resources of a galactic military behind him/her. Also, Shepard is a trained soldier, whereas Gordon is more of an "everyman" suddenly thrust into a number of life-or-death scenarios.

It's also worth noting that Shepard never had to worry about inane jump puzzles with insta-death consequences.

Freeman. He's one man and a rebel force compared to the combine who can take a planet in 7 hours. Shepard rallies the whole galaxy to fight the reapers.

Lets see a theoretical physicist in a hazmat suit VS a evil multi-demensional, multi universal alien empire that rules over possibly thousands of worlds.

Or

A highly trained military operative with the forces of several alien races at his back against a race of machines that don't even rule one dimension.

Im going with Freeman having the harder job.

Timaithis:
So if you could help me out vote and give your reasoning.

Honestly, I haven't played much Half-Life. I have played all three ME games, though, and Shepard arguably failed to save galactic civilization from the Reapers--hell, he/she essentially gave up in the end. As far as I know, Freeman hasn't done that. So his odds are better, if only because he hasn't forfeited yet.

Freeman has zero expectations on him. Everyone is sitting around waiting for Shepard to save the Galaxy. I voted Shepard.

Good poll, I had to think about it quite a bit.

Shepard has to get in and work hard at politics, but he/she has the backing of powerful allies.

Gordon Freeman has people rally to his cause without question, but they end up dying pretty fast.

Nothing in HL2 seems to be as powerful as the Reapers, but then again the Combine force that took earth was a rather small expeditionary force and we have yet to see how big or even what the main Combine army is.

SajuukKhar:
Lets see a theoretical physicist in a hazmat suit VS a evil multi-demensional, multi universal alien empire that rules over possibly thousands of worlds.

Or

A highly trained military operative with the forces of several alien races at his back against a race of machines that don't even rule one dimension.

Im going with Freeman having the harder job.

This is why in the end I chose Freeman. Shepard comes trained and prepared, Freeman is thrown into the situation against his will.

Commander Shepard doesn't have to fuck with headcrabs. She automatically has the easier job.

Actually, Shepard's job looks like it's fucking FUN! Fuck, I would love to do what she does. I don't want to be in Freeman's shoes though.

I havent played Half-Life before, but aren't the Combine just a bunch of evil dudes in hockey masks?

GethBall:
I havent played Half-Life before, but aren't the Combine just a bunch of evil dudes in hockey masks?

No, they really arent. Without really going into it. Those your describing are the cheap knock off attempt to establish a local militia the Combine can use while they figure out how to integrate humanity into their technology.

Shepard faced more powerful enemies but was definitely better equipped.

Gordon faced weaker enemies but was significantly less equipped in both technology, allies, and amount of preparation time.

kingcom:

GethBall:
I havent played Half-Life before, but aren't the Combine just a bunch of evil dudes in hockey masks?

No, they really arent. Without really going into it. Those your describing are the cheap knock off attempt to establish a local militia the Combine can use while they figure out how to integrate humanity into their technology.

Well, what are they then? When I look up Combine on google images it just has those gas masked guys (really cool looking btw). Have they actually shown them in the game. Gaaah... this is really making me interested in half-life.

kingcom:

GethBall:
I havent played Half-Life before, but aren't the Combine just a bunch of evil dudes in hockey masks?

No, they really arent. Without really going into it. Those your describing are the cheap knock off attempt to establish a local militia the Combine can use while they figure out how to integrate humanity into their technology.

The highest ranking known Combine race are giant telepathic worms, and Valve has hinted that even they may not be the true master race of The Combine.

The Combine are actually kinda scary, when you think about how powerful they must be.

SajuukKhar:

kingcom:

GethBall:
I havent played Half-Life before, but aren't the Combine just a bunch of evil dudes in hockey masks?

No, they really arent. Without really going into it. Those your describing are the cheap knock off attempt to establish a local militia the Combine can use while they figure out how to integrate humanity into their technology.

The highest ranking known Combine race are giant telepathic worms, and Valve has hinted that even they may not be the true master race of The Combine.

The Combine are actually kinda scary, when you think about how powerful they must be.

The Combine rule multiple dimensions. They aren't massive space squids but they do have interdimensional forces and enslave an unknown (possibly massive) amount of dimensions.

Just imagine Reaper sized Striders though. Oh shiii-----

endtherapture:

The Combine rule multiple dimensions. They aren't massive space squids but they do have interdimensional forces and enslave an unknown (possibly massive) amount of dimensions.

Just imagine Reaper sized Striders though. Oh shiii-----

Whats scary to think is that in a way The Combine are MORE advanced then the Reapers.

They are so far evolved they don't need spaceships, they can just Teleport their asses almost anywhere.

Also The Reapers were assaulting Earth for weeks, The Combine systematically beat the combined forces of all of Earth's nations, and forced a surrender, in 7 FUCKING HOURS.

Shep, my vote goes with Shep.

Not only is he up against the Reapers but he has to contend with EA.

No video game character should ever have to go up against the evil of EA.

SajuukKhar:

endtherapture:

The Combine rule multiple dimensions. They aren't massive space squids but they do have interdimensional forces and enslave an unknown (possibly massive) amount of dimensions.

Just imagine Reaper sized Striders though. Oh shiii-----

Whats scary to think is that in a way The Combine are MORE advanced then the Reapers.

They are so far evolved they don't need spaceships, they can just Teleport their asses almost anywhere.

Also The Reapers were assaulting Earth for weeks, The Combine systematically beat the combined forces of all of Earth's nations, and forced a surrender, in 7 FUCKING HOURS.

well the reapers arrived and decimated the combined forces or the systems alliance pretty much straight away.. as for the guerilla campaign.. well the rebels knew in the end to stay away from population centres.. and the reapers were more interested in harvesting for stupid ass reasons than military conquest

I'm not going to pretend to know anything about Half Life, but I do know some stuff about Mass Effect.

In Mass Effect 3, the Reapers don't care about taking the planet or forcing surrender, they just want as many people dead as quick as possible. They didn't target towns or small cities, they only went after they highly populated ones. They make it a point in a log somewhere, saying that the Reapers only went after expected evacuation stations, not the ones in small areas. The most Dreadnought Class Reapers in one city that you see was, I think, 5. They didn't really send many to attack Earth, just what was needed. Even so, they had Reapers all over the galaxy, tearing up any and all home worlds that they could get to. It takes quite a lot to kill a Reaper, as well. Either there needs to be a colossal fleet firing at a single one all at the same time, or you have to shoot it with a few very large missiles in it's "eye," just before it incinerates everything in front of it.

Earth is effectively lost on the first day, wiping out all chains of command, points of high importance, communication lines, everything. Anderson is the only thing keeping the forces on Earth in control, and even then, he's having one hell of a time doing it, rarely ever being able to command anything other than what he's got at the moment. He can barely hold it together.

Shepard is part of the N7 program. N means that he's part of the Special Ops and 7 means that he's one of the best of the best, it's based off experience, not rank. He's the first human to get Spectre status, that's how good of a soldier he is.

What Shepard has to do, plain and simple, is stop the Reapers. Sounds easy enough, but that means uniting the other galactic species. Species that nobody thought would unite, not in a bazillion years, give or take. All he has at his disposal to do this with is his charisma, which could be a lot or not much, depending on how you play it.

Someone puts it quite well, in one game. "You've made a career on doing the impossible, Shepard." Can't remember who said it. Pretty sure it was Thane.

I don't know if I left anything out or if any of this was necessary, but there you go. Feel free to correct me where I'm wrong. I can't vote on the matter as I don't know enough about Half Life to compare situations.

 

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