In terms of emotional character develeopment, which episode is better?
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Poll: Why do people think of Half Life 2 : Episode 1 as the weakest link in the the series?

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I mean Half Life 2 - Loads of people universally agree it's one of the, if not the best FPS of all time.Ep2 is regarded as even better by many people.

When it comes to episode 1, people go it's good, but not as good as either of the other 2.

Why?I mean it's clear EP1 was supposed to be about making Alyx likeable, so that people can actually feel something when the...accident happens to her in EP2.They really succeeded in that, and while EP2 is awesome, i regard Ep1 as better, because character development is clear as sunshine.I mean even in the developer commentary they say that Alyx being likeable was their biggest goal at that point, and to do that they made her from bossy -> adjusting according to player style.In the greater picture it is clear that without EP1 i would have not enjoyed Ep2 at all.

So what is your take on it?Also this is not "waah people don't like a game i love as much as i do" thread, i'm just merely asking your opinion.

I found it to be the best of the 3, though that isn't saying much. The series was overrated as fuck.

imahobbit4062:
I found it to be the best of the 3, though that isn't saying much. The series was overrated as fuck.

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I think all of the Half Life games are each equally as good as one another.

Moth_Monk:

imahobbit4062:
I found it to be the best of the 3, though that isn't saying much. The series was overrated as fuck.

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I think all of the Half Life games are each equally as good as one another.

Sorry, am I no longer allowed to express my opinion?

I thought 2 was the worst of the series so far, but it wasn't exactly a bad game. 1 was very good, but not as long as it should have been...episodic content can go hang itself from a tree.

I'll tell you why I disliked it: It was, plot-wise, utterly and completely pointless. It was just a retread of the first third of Half-Life 2, except ever-so-slightly longer. Why couldn't the Vortigaunts have just teleported you outside City 17, rather than putting you at the base of a tower that was about to explode, putting their messiah figure in real danger of becoming a splode?

Gameplay-wise, I found it a bit boring - the underground level was nice (though it didn't help my paranoia) but everything else seemed to be another retread, only this time of the final third of Half-Life 2.

I much preferred Episode 2, which was fresher in terms of both plot and gameplay (in fact its gameplay was my favourite of the lot, I liked the way they took a vaguely Halo-ish approach to the level design and made it a series of open areas that allowed for multiple strategies and experimenting).

Oh lol. Flame War in the making 30 seconds into the thread. I love the Internet XD

OT: Yeah Ep1 was pretty good I think, Ep2 just overshadowed it by having so much stuff happen in it compared to Ep1.

The Advisors, the whole thing with Alyx early on, the ending and the damn Strider battle that I breezed through first time round but somehow it's a bloody brick wall in all my other runthroughs.

But i'll always like the zombie section in Ep1 more than the rest of the entire series, nice to see what happens when the Combine lose control. Plus turning your torch off in the dark for so long can make Alyx scared. It's adorable

Retread of HL2?Really?

the combine in Hl2 vs The combine in Ep1

They are central to the the plot, and in Ep1 you seem them losing all control.How is that a retread?besides as for the vortigaunts not teleporting you out : there were rebels in the city, and it was directly possible that gordon could contain the core since he had anti radiation suit.Besides with the messiah image of gordon, making him look like a sissy and run away isn't exactly going to go down well.

For me it's just that nothing really happens and it's 100% urban which made it feel a bit stale.

For me it's the fact that once you get out of the Citadel, it's pretty much all urban areas, which is boring. Then there's the Rebel escort mission at the end of it, which I guess at least means Valve are being honest about those morons being anything other than walking balls on chains. So it all really comes down to the gameplay aspects of Episode 1 being sub-par compared to Episode 2. It's still a fantastic game by general gaming standards, especially because of Alyx, but compared to what came before and after it's just kind of a slog.

I think it's just how much Ep2 upped the game, the last mission is a blast and they lay down some heavy emotional and mystery stuff at the end, plus that is fresh on peoples mind.
So episode 1 is just the middle child that noone really takes a look at twice, but all in all it wasn't anything that let the series down, well except for the Valve dev time.

We waited for it forever then you get in thinking oh they took sweet their time so this must be a hugely amazing adventu... it's over already?!
WHY YOU DO THIS TO ME GABE???

imahobbit4062:
Sorry, am I no longer allowed to express my opinion?

Certainly not.

How dare you dislike something someone else likes that's just madness.

I got called a "hipster" for saying I couldn't get into the Half Life games a bit back.

According to some posts on this forum we all have to like the same things.

Rawne1980:

imahobbit4062:
Sorry, am I no longer allowed to express my opinion?

Certainly not.

How dare you dislike something someone else likes that's just madness.

I got called a "hipster" for saying I couldn't get into the Half Life games a bit back.

According to some posts on this forum we all have to like the same things.

On this forum, telling between the hipsters who hate it because it's cool and the people who hate it because they just do is a genuine problem.

OhJohnNo:

On this forum, telling between the hipsters who hate it because it's cool and the people who hate it because they just do is a genuine problem.

That's the problem, I didn't say I hated it I just said I couldn't get into it.

The story was okay but just didn't "grip" me if that makes sense. I did say I can see why people love it but it just wasn't for me.

That was when it first came out though, I may see it differently now. I've recently ended up liking quite a few games I didn't care for a few years ago. Probably because i've got more time to enjoy them.

There is no game series I hate. I admit I don't like CoD but that's nothing to do with them all "being the same" that's just because i'm not a fan of modern war type games. I spent enough time in the army to know what it's really like I don't need it in my entertainment. That and i'm not a fan of multiplayer games. I usually slap a game on to relax on my own in peace and quiet which involves no one else.

But I don't "hate" any game.

Well, except ET but that's another story.

imahobbit4062:
Sorry, am I no longer allowed to express my opinion?

"Opinion", the shield of people without arguments.

On Topic: I found both episodes to be the weakest link of the HL2 story. Too short and the end on a cliffhanger. I played once through them and going to revisit them when HL3 comes out, maybe I'll see the actual point in having them.

Rawne1980:

OhJohnNo:

On this forum, telling between the hipsters who hate it because it's cool and the people who hate it because they just do is a genuine problem.

That's the problem, I didn't say I hated it I just said I couldn't get into it.

The story was okay but just didn't "grip" me if that makes sense. I did say I can see why people love it but it just wasn't for me.

That was when it first came out though, I may see it differently now. I've recently ended up liking quite a few games I didn't care for a few years ago. Probably because i've got more time to enjoy them.

There is no game series I hate. I admit I don't like CoD but that's nothing to do with them all "being the same" that's just because i'm not a fan of modern war type games. I spent enough time in the army to know what it's really like I don't need it in my entertainment. That and i'm not a fan of multiplayer games. I usually slap a game on to relax on my own in peace and quiet which involves no one else.

But I don't "hate" any game.

Well, except ET but that's another story.

Yes, this. I finished the entire Half-Life series before, and although I felt the gameplay was fun to an extent, it got boring after awhile and the story is just really bad IMO. And I'm glad I see others who felt it overrated.

I always thought HLE3 was the weakest link in the the series.

Eh, they were more a failure in Valve's episodic experimentation, but really...if you play HL2 through Ep1 and 2 from start to finish it's technically one long game.

Separately though, they're both rather weak, however EP2 shines because of the kick in the stomach ending whereas EP1 feels like a 'what Gordon got up to after HL2', much like Barney's shenanigans in Halflife: Blueshift. Diverting, but not overly important to the series as a whole.

I prefered Episode 1 uber alles until a fairly recent playthrough of the whole set. I still hate how much time Episode 2 has you dicking around with antlions, but everything post-larval-extract was glorious.

Though Episode 1 still has my best gravity gun kill ever. Cinder block to a combine trooper's head from across that great big courtyard that you have to escort the civilians at the end.

imahobbit4062:

Moth_Monk:

imahobbit4062:
I found it to be the best of the 3, though that isn't saying much. The series was overrated as fuck.

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I think all of the Half Life games are each equally as good as one another.

Sorry, am I no longer allowed to express my opinion?

Theres a difference between saying "I didnt like them" and saying "herp I played them 5 years after they were released and I didnt like them so they are overrated lol".

imahobbit4062:
Sorry, am I no longer allowed to express my opinion?

You're allowed, however we have so many "HL series is overrated" posts every day that we have to assume you're a self proclaimed "sophisticated gameur" or someone who is giving his first steps in the magnificent art of trolling.

With EP1 i just feel its there as a transition from the end of HL2 to the start of EP2.

mad825:
I always thought HLE3 was the weakest link in the the series.

Indeed. Not existing is a very serious problem for a game.

It's the middle act of the story. Playing a marathon of HL2 makes it work better, but it doesn't stand up as well on its own due to its transitional nature.

From what i remember of Ep1, wasnt there a long section of walking a little else at the start? Yep, i guess ep1 wasnt so great if thats the only memorable thing i can remember. Still fun game though.

(This are subjective opinions with somewhat objective facts)

EP2 has the bad reputation of being the middle-man. It starts in medias res (In the middle of the action/plot) and there is no closure in the end. (A somewhat important man dies, and a random portal closes.) I can say though that I was sad when *Insert name here* died.

EP1 has a better start, and what you have done before is somewhat explained to you during the course of the game. The ending is also better, gives a bit more closure of what happens. (Barney escapes, citadel explodes, advisors escapes)

What happens too you though is not answered, so to someone that play EP2 while not having played EP1, this may be confusing... But a somewhat good way to drag people in...

Anyway, the point is this: My SUBJECTIVE opinion is that EP1 is better. If anyone tries to say I am wrong, then that person should check what the word 'Subjective' mean. :3

Yeah, Episode 1 makes Alyx more of a character... but the issue I have with it, is that's all it really does. Everything else just feels like a mission pack for HL2, rather than a true expansion.

Though, I will admit, the original plan for the episodes, (a small expansion released every other month or so) that's all it'd ever really need to be. But Episode 2 completely bucked that trend...

Episode 1 is important because it moved the story forward a lot more quickly than HL2, but I was disappointed with a lot of the set pieces. The garage level, the part where you're escorting rebels back and forth, the citadel sections...it just all felt kind of uninspired, even though it was fun.

Episode 2 had that problem in a few areas as well, but for the most part it was a lot better. It was nice to get out of City 17 and face some new challenges (but they need to BAN zombies from future Half-Life games. I've had enough of that shit, it's rote at this point.)

Rawne1980:

OhJohnNo:

On this forum, telling between the hipsters who hate it because it's cool and the people who hate it because they just do is a genuine problem.

That's the problem, I didn't say I hated it I just said I couldn't get into it.

The story was okay but just didn't "grip" me if that makes sense. I did say I can see why people love it but it just wasn't for me.

That was when it first came out though, I may see it differently now. I've recently ended up liking quite a few games I didn't care for a few years ago. Probably because i've got more time to enjoy them.

There is no game series I hate. I admit I don't like CoD but that's nothing to do with them all "being the same" that's just because i'm not a fan of modern war type games. I spent enough time in the army to know what it's really like I don't need it in my entertainment. That and i'm not a fan of multiplayer games. I usually slap a game on to relax on my own in peace and quiet which involves no one else.

But I don't "hate" any game.

Well, except ET but that's another story.

What's wrong with ET? You some kind of baby eating casual?

It was mainly because A: there was not much variety, either in gameplay or environments which HL2, and to a lesser extent Ep2, had in spades, and B: The main story was fairly non-existent. You basically just ran around the ruins of city-17 for a couple hours, until you get to the train and escape. That is it. :/

Still, always nice to have more of one of your favorite games, so I liked it. Good expansion, just not great. :D

Rawne1980:

imahobbit4062:
Sorry, am I no longer allowed to express my opinion?

Certainly not.

How dare you dislike something someone else likes that's just madness.

I got called a "hipster" for saying I couldn't get into the Half Life games a bit back.

According to some posts on this forum we all have to like the same things.

That's a bold statement for someone with the nerve to display that avatar ;)

(disclaimer, my family are Toffees, although personally I am a Birmingham fan)

How's "King" Kenny working out for you? heh.

On topic: while I agree that we should all be able to express our differing opinions, the original post was a little bit... flamey. *Why* was it "overrated as fuck"?

I liked Alyx's banter and 80% of the episode was spent murdering zombies in the most ridiculous ways possible. Seriously, I absolutely love the zombies in the Half-life games, so fun to murder. Haha.

Its problem is pretty much the exact same I have with the other Half-Life games, they give you more questions than answers and rarely do they bother address some of them. But goddamnit I still love the hell out of that series.

Episode 1 had great development and atmosphere, but Episode 2 ditched this in favour of great gameplay. Half-Life 2 was a perfect blend of the two.

I think the best example is the beginning of Highway 17 compared to the helicopter fight in Episode 2. One guy in a sweatshirt dies in that segment of HL2, it plays sad music, and it is an emotional scene. Loads of people die in the helicopter fight in Episode 2, and then the resistance fighters cheer.

"I mean it's clear EP1 was supposed to be about making Alyx likeable"

Pretty sure HL2 did that for most people.

Anyway, I guess people view it as more of a necessary connector between HL2 and wherever the series is going next. It's the remnants of your time in City 17, whereas HL2 was something new and Episode 2 is something new.

Daverson:
the original plan for the episodes, (a small expansion released every other month or so)

Where did you read that?

Moth_Monk:

imahobbit4062:
I found it to be the best of the 3, though that isn't saying much. The series was overrated as fuck.

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I think all of the Half Life games are each equally as good as one another.

Bahahaha. I lol'd.

On topic: I have no idea why everyone bitches about Ep 1, I love all the HL games equally.

joe-h2o:

That's a bold statement for someone with the nerve to display that avatar ;)

(disclaimer, my family are Toffees, although personally I am a Birmingham fan)

How's "King" Kenny working out for you? heh.

On topic: while I agree that we should all be able to express our differing opinions, the original post was a little bit... flamey. *Why* was it "overrated as fuck"?

I'm proud to sit here and declare my love for my team.

I'm proud to sit here and declare myself a devoted Kopite.

That's because i'm on the internet and no one can see my face, in person I can deny all knowledge and pretend i'm an Accrington Stanley fan :P

As for good ole Kenny. He was great .. once .. now he's knocking on a bit and it looks like he may be going a bit senile.

We haven't been a great team for years now. Souness sold off a chunk of our best players when he was in charge but didn't replace them with anything decent. That big nosed pillock Phill Thompson made sure Fowler was sold. McManaman went to Real and ended up wasting his time on the subs bench, Owen .. well .. he was a one trick pony anyway. Redknapp was fantastic but far too injury prone, shame really.

See Liverpool have a fantastic habit of selling on great players and then replacing them with players that aren't so good (if we put it nicely). Crouch deserves a special mention just for the sheer length of time it took him to actually put the ball in the net for the first damn time .... top striker right there .... honest.

Although I do have to admit to Cisse being one of my favourites of recent(ish) years. If it wouldn't have been for him we wouldn't made that comeback in the Champions League all those moons ago. He just wasn't the same after that leg break although that was nasty.

It's a damn shame players have to age. If ever we needed Ian Rush it's now.

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