1- it deleted all my non-steam game shortcuts randomly =\ 2- it pauses a download when im playing a game? thats f***ing annoying! 3- i cant transfer my games =( i have 2 accounts and it gets annoying...
other than that i have no problems with it. i love it. simple and easy to use and most the games have great prices. can't beat the constant sales they always got going!
hah origin the same thing. Well when origin actually sells games at reasonable price (50% bf3 makup can go f itself) and stops being a bloated slow resource hogging mess that actually provides something useful. Then you can have your point.
Till then, you can't. By all means dislike drm based distribution services but don't rag on things without having the knowledge of them, it would be like me bitching about xbla without owning an xbox, kinda unfounded.
The nerve of somebody acting like you calling out other people as fanboys is so beyond humour.
I have knowledge on it. Own a few games on Steam, 1 or 2 games on Origin. So I have used the damn clients. And, what is your problem just because you don't like my opinion you have to attack me. That just makes you sound like one of the fanboys I was talking about.
I don't like people providing incorrect data, i call people out on bs in its many forms.
It's not incorrect data. It's data I collected from using both services, though admittedly not extensively. I found Origin actually to be less intrusive than Steam! The day offline mode actually works I might cease to call Steam a buggy mess, but until then it is for me. And, I have yet to figure out why I was locked out of my account after 6 months of not using it when I decided to try and boot it up and play one of my games one day. At least customer service fixed that problem though it took them 2 weeks and I lost all interest in even opening Steam again by that point. So quit being an ass just because in my experience Steam is less than perfect and I decided to share that viewpoint.
Stilt: Steam is one of the most butt fucking invasive programs out there, it starts up everytime you turn your computer on, and hides in the background like a little shit. And even when you try to exit the thing, it still runs in the background being a pain in the ass. Finally, they make it a bitch to uninstall.
1: you can stop it from starting when you turn on, you just have to look in the options.
2: When you exit it, you exit it. It doesn't hang around in the background.
3: Yea, I'll give you that one. Going to the control panel and accessing the hard to find 'add/remove program' hidden option is a really complicated process. I might need to take a course in it or something.
So am I the only one who cares about any of this, or is everyone too busy buying 800 games for 10 dollars and then never playing any of them? Or forcing themselves to play them to feel like they got their money's worth?
Sure there are things I don't like about steam, mostly that people have to have it to play certain games, and that the start in offline function is broken as fuck.
I just don't complain about problems it doesn't actually have.
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Are you Zeal? I mean everyone said you were when you made that Journey thread. But I didn't completely disagree with you there, I thought you made some good points... But then you make an outright lie thread.... Sooooo.
2- it pauses a download when im playing a game? thats f***ing annoying!
That pissed me off to, but if you just pess alt+tab when your playing a game and then go to steam and 'resume download'. It kicks it back on again no problems.
Versuvius: Steam doesn't strip all your games off you for one infarction in a shitty shooters forum.
But they can, and in business (especially in today's climate), the rule is 'if someone can do something, assume they eventually will.'
All the sales in the world don't mean anything as long as the TOS says "we can cancel your account at any time and may, at our option, provide stand-alone copies of purchased software." Combine that with retail-purchased games still requiring steam, and there's plenty to complain about.
All they have to do, AFAIC, is change that "may, at our option," to "will, except in cases of fraud," and I'd probably drop a few hundred bucks on it right now. Instead, I jumped through hoops to download steam-removal patches for my legitimately purchased games to keep away from that crap.
2- it pauses a download when im playing a game? thats f***ing annoying!
That pissed me off to, but if you just pess alt+tab when your playing a game and then go to steam and 'resume download'. It kicks it back on again no problems.
thanks i wasn't aware of that. ill try that out.
also yeah the lack of an offline mode annoys me too. i've heard there is one but i can never get it to work. whenever i try to load it up, it says cannot connect and so i click "Offline Mode" and than it says "cannot perform action in offline mode" and crashes...?
Well....No one rags on Steam cause it offers some pretty damn sweet deals, is a good place for indy developpers and gamers alike, and it isn't run by EA.
Alright, that's kinda unfair. I meant to say it's customer support is at least adequate.
2- it pauses a download when im playing a game? thats f***ing annoying!
That pissed me off to, but if you just pess alt+tab when your playing a game and then go to steam and 'resume download'. It kicks it back on again no problems.
thanks i wasn't aware of that. ill try that out.
also yeah the lack of an offline mode annoys me too. i've heard there is one but i can never get it to work. whenever i try to load it up, it says cannot connect and so i click "Offline Mode" and than it says "cannot perform action in offline mode" and crashes...?
Yea, I'd just prefer them not to pretend to offer me the service if it never fucking works.
I mean you can still play games from shortcuts if you've made them, or just go to program files and open the games from inside the steam folder. But Steam itself will not boot up if it doesn't think there's a connection.
MSconfig removes it from startup. I have never seen it take up a huge amount of resources. It is extremely non invasive. Ive seen it be uninstalled with increadible ease. The person then realized that Steam was not the problem and had no problems setting it back up. My computer has been disconnected from the Internet for half a year now and ive had no problems with my games. This kind of positive User experience is the norm.
Gamers will complain about everything. They generally don't complain about Steam. This is telling.
99% of the hatred towards steam is based on problems on the part of a games publisher, not Steam.
Closing it is easy. You right-click the tab in the taskbar and click "close". AND THEN IT GOES AWAY. Out of the process list, out of the task manager... gone. It's closed.
Xanadu84: It is extremely non invasive. .. Gamers will complain about everything. They generally don't complain about Steam. This is telling.
Agreed that most of the complaints in the OP are just false, but these two statements are arguable. I know I'm not alone in my objections (posted above) to Steam, and how can you say that boxed games requiring you to install Steam are non-invasive? That's a textbook example of "invasive."
Only thing that bugs me about steam is that I can't buy expansions on it for games I'v legally bought without Steam. Some games have a code that can be entered so that you can add it to your steam-library and the expansion will work (Or so I recall), but others (Like Civ IV), will not.
I.e If I want to take advantage of all the DLC-sales, I better have bought the game on Steam as well.
I give you an example of why I don't get on steams case I see a game I want to play, lets say NWN2. I buy it, and download it. After about 3 hours (my internet sucks) I hit play. I wait 5 min and it runs. Same thing applies to all the other games I have. And as long as everything is updated I have no problem with offline mode. Its convenient, that's why I love it
Abandon4093: [quote="Stilt" post="9.365541.14264765"] Are you Zeal? I mean everyone said you were when you made that Journey thread. But I didn't completely disagree with you there, I thought you made some good points... But then you make an outright lie thread.... Sooooo.
You know, calling other people a troll (which I am pretty sure you are doing) is against the rules (goes under "Flaming"). So, maybe something to consider..
Abandon4093: [quote="Stilt" post="9.365541.14264765"] Are you Zeal? I mean everyone said you were when you made that Journey thread. But I didn't completely disagree with you there, I thought you made some good points... But then you make an outright lie thread.... Sooooo.
You know, calling other people a troll (which I am pretty sure you are doing) is against the rules (goes under "Flaming"). So, maybe something to consider..
Edit: Also, Capcha was "Bank of America. Describe with any one word(s)"
I answered "Bankrupt", and it was accepted. Made my day.
psicat: I have knowledge on it. Own a few games on Steam, 1 or 2 games on Origin. So I have used the damn clients. And, what is your problem just because you don't like my opinion you have to attack me. That just makes you sound like one of the fanboys I was talking about.
I don't like people providing incorrect data, i call people out on bs in its many forms.
It's not incorrect data. It's data I collected from using both services, though admittedly not extensively. I found Origin actually to be less intrusive than Steam! The day offline mode actually works I might cease to call Steam a buggy mess, but until then it is for me. And, I have yet to figure out why I was locked out of my account after 6 months of not using it when I decided to try and boot it up and play one of my games one day. At least customer service fixed that problem though it took them 2 weeks and I lost all interest in even opening Steam again by that point. So quit being an ass just because in my experience Steam is less than perfect and I decided to share that viewpoint.
Methinks the ugly buggy aspect of steam will show it's face when HL3 comes out and people can't play it for a month.
SirBryghtside: Don't worry, I rag on about it all the time ;) something about moving to another country and losing hundreds of pounds worth of games just doesn't sit right with me.
But they are digital downloads so they shouldn't weigh anything right? I don't know why you're complaining either shipping costs these days are pretty cheap.
Yes Steam offers great games for low prices. Mind you those games are free everywhere else but Steam streams them to you for a fee!
Steam also offers a great service in that they let hackers and viruses bypass your anti-virus and firewalls! That service is free when you download Steam. Oh but never try to uninstall Steam!
Steam also randomly blocks you from accessing content that you've paid for! Because Steam cares for you, thanks you for your money, and thinks you should be outside talking to girls or something.
Steam can be turned off so that it doesn't run on startup. Just don't look in your task manager and you'll believe that. (honestly, people think that hasn't been tried? Steam is a virus)
The honest truth is that the Escapist is full of Valve fanboys. This is the only website i've encountered that has such a unreasoning love for Valve and Steam. Seriously, one great game doesn't account for a decade or adoration.
Abandon4093: [quote="Stilt" post="9.365541.14264765"] Are you Zeal? I mean everyone said you were when you made that Journey thread. But I didn't completely disagree with you there, I thought you made some good points... But then you make an outright lie thread.... Sooooo.
You know, calling other people a troll (which I am pretty sure you are doing) is against the rules (goes under "Flaming"). So, maybe something to consider..
Abandon4093: [quote="Stilt" post="9.365541.14264765"] Are you Zeal? I mean everyone said you were when you made that Journey thread. But I didn't completely disagree with you there, I thought you made some good points... But then you make an outright lie thread.... Sooooo.
You know, calling other people a troll (which I am pretty sure you are doing) is against the rules (goes under "Flaming"). So, maybe something to consider..
Herp derp ignores entire post herp derp.
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Yeah, that's ALSO against the forum-rules. I was merely pointing your that it isn't in your best interest to call others a troll.
Nimzabaat: Yes Steam offers great games for low prices. Mind you those games are free everywhere else but Steam streams them to you for a fee!
Steam also offers a great service in that they let hackers and viruses bypass your anti-virus and firewalls! That service is free when you download Steam. Oh but never try to uninstall Steam!
Steam also randomly blocks you from accessing content that you've paid for! Because Steam cares for you, thanks you for your money, and thinks you should be outside talking to girls or something.
Steam can be turned off so that it doesn't run on startup. Just don't look in your task manager and you'll believe that. (honestly, people think that hasn't been tried? Steam is a virus)
The honest truth is that the Escapist is full of Valve fanboys. This is the only website i've encountered that has such a unreasoning love for Valve and Steam. Seriously, one great game doesn't account for a decade or adoration.
1. I'd like to know where you get all these games for free, because I have never seen it. Is there piracy involved in getting these free games?
2. You should look up "streaming" in a dictionary.
3. I have never experienced Steam randomly blocking my content for no reason. Would you care to provide specific examples and sources?
4. Launched Steam, exited Steam and no Steam anywhere to be found in my task manager.
5. Yeah, Half-Life and Half-Life 2 are overrated games that I never cared much for. That does not make Steam a bad service though.
EDIT: Missed a point there.
6. I have never read any reports of Steam allowing things to bypass my firewall and anti-virus. I shall do a quick google search to see if I find any examples. In the meantime would you be kind a come up with an example or two? And do provide proper sources.
Personally, I hate steam, but the main problems I have is if I try doing anything other than look at the front page, the first problem is scrollbar doesn't work, you go to the bar on the side to scroll down every time, this wouldn't be a problem if they could fit everything on the mini-lists on one page, so it automatically scrolls up, also, if there is more than one game you want to look at, I hope you can remember names, because you can only look at one game at a time. I also hate how I can't boot up any game without booting up steam, and if I am offline, or on a trip (I travel) steam sometimes refuses to boot up telling me that I need to go online to set it to offline mode, making it so I can't play my games, steam also updates my games without telling me, even after I tell it specifically not to, and I rarely found anything in the program to be straightforward, everything is almost always buried beneath something else.
deathzero021: i love steam but i do have some issues with it:
1- it deleted all my non-steam game shortcuts randomly =\ 2- it pauses a download when im playing a game? thats f***ing annoying! 3- i cant transfer my games =( i have 2 accounts and it gets annoying...
other than that i have no problems with it. i love it. simple and easy to use and most the games have great prices. can't beat the constant sales they always got going!
Just a quick tip on the second point. You just have to press the alt tab button to get back to desktop then go on steam and resume the download, simple. Also, if you could transfer games between accounts then it would mean anyone could pirate anything, so that's not really a fault.
OT: Yeah seriously mate, if you are going to complain about Steam's sales because you won't have time to finish your 20 brand new games then you really need to sort out what things you complain about. Just reminds me of the first world problems meme.
Nimzabaat: Yes Steam offers great games for low prices. Mind you those games are free everywhere else but Steam streams them to you for a fee!
Steam also offers a great service in that they let hackers and viruses bypass your anti-virus and firewalls! That service is free when you download Steam. Oh but never try to uninstall Steam!
Steam also randomly blocks you from accessing content that you've paid for! Because Steam cares for you, thanks you for your money, and thinks you should be outside talking to girls or something.
Steam can be turned off so that it doesn't run on startup. Just don't look in your task manager and you'll believe that. (honestly, people think that hasn't been tried? Steam is a virus)
The honest truth is that the Escapist is full of Valve fanboys. This is the only website i've encountered that has such a unreasoning love for Valve and Steam. Seriously, one great game doesn't account for a decade or adoration.
Interesting, I didn't realize that those games were free without pirating. Please give me the address were I can get said games for free Interesting, I have never been hacked or a virus that involved steam in any way Interesting, I can run all of my games right now and nothing seems blocked Interesting, I have steam off and its not in my task manager or processes.
I am not a fanboy, I use it and like it because its convenient. I have never run into any of the problems that people claim make steam evil and unusable
Nimzabaat: Yes Steam offers great games for low prices. Mind you those games are free everywhere else but Steam streams them to you for a fee!
I too want to know where to get those free games. I want ALL the free games, please.
Nimzabaat: Steam also offers a great service in that they let hackers and viruses bypass your anti-virus and firewalls! That service is free when you download Steam. Oh but never try to uninstall Steam!
Then you wouldn't have problem coming up with proof.
Nimzabaat: Steam also randomly blocks you from accessing content that you've paid for! Because Steam cares for you, thanks you for your money, and thinks you should be outside talking to girls or something.
Yes, I want proof for your claims.
Nimzabaat: Steam can be turned off so that it doesn't run on startup. Just don't look in your task manager and you'll believe that. (honestly, people think that hasn't been tried? Steam is a virus)
Umm, Steam doesn't run at startup for me. It's not in the taskbar either (which makes sense if it doesn't run at startup). I have to go and manually start either Steam or a game taht uses Steam for the client to launch. If you're having problem with the steam client, I suggest checking between the chair and the keyboard.
Simple because steam is good. valve are not dicks like EA and steam is a good service with regular deals that make me wish I was not saving my money up.
It's not incorrect data. It's data I collected from using both services, though admittedly not extensively. I found Origin actually to be less intrusive than Steam! The day offline mode actually works I might cease to call Steam a buggy mess, but until then it is for me. And, I have yet to figure out why I was locked out of my account after 6 months of not using it when I decided to try and boot it up and play one of my games one day. At least customer service fixed that problem though it took them 2 weeks and I lost all interest in even opening Steam again by that point. So quit being an ass just because in my experience Steam is less than perfect and I decided to share that viewpoint.
Please allow me to help you out when you wish to add your opinion to a thread like this, don't instantly come out and call the other side "fanboys", don't make broad statements that you can't back up such as "almost the exact same thing" which ignores various other points made, and don't hope to look good by posting your actual evidence in a later post (if you would have posted that evidence in your first post most would not have labeled you an idiot and you might have argued a valid point).
It doesn't help that you replied in agreement with what is most likely a troll post using obviously false information either, and neglected to actually agree with anything but "yeah Steam sucks".
Look at some of the other arguments people have made on this thread against Steam, they do not insult the other side, they clearly state the issue they have with Steam, and no one attacks them for their viewpoint. This is a clear case of people attacking you not because of your viewpoint but because how you've stated your viewpoint, which is in my honest opinion piss poor.
Stilt: Thats what it feels like, the other comments so far have ignored the fact that steam puts a bunch of shady shit that runs behind the scenes, stuff that is a pain in the arse to find and deal with, its not ok when ea does it, its not ok when valve does it.
The question I have to ask is - Why didn't you mention all of this in the original post? And that's not retorical, either. It seems like you only mentioned this "shady shit" after it was mentioned by someone else, and before then the only problem you had was with the fact that it switches itself on, can't be switched off and can't be instaled - which, as previously mentioned by a fair few people, are problems that can be solved pretty easily. I don't know, perhaps you never actualy knew about the shady shit? I could make guesses, and honestly, that seems like the best explination, but you know what they say about assuming... Still, as for me, I enjoy Steam. It has it's issues, yes, like how the chat system occationaly acts like it was stiched together with blu tack, and how I basicaly need to be near a connection that allows steam to get it to let me play my damn games every time I switch the computer off and on again, but honestly, those minor issues are covered by the sales, the game libary, the conveniance, all stuff that's been mentioned by thousands of "Valve fanboys" before. And if you can't deal with the issues it has - easy to solve or not - then that's perfectly valid. No need to insult us by surgesting we all just look at cheap games and go "BEEP BOOP MUST BY", though.
I did mention the shadow processes by saying that it wouldnt shut down. I would exit (control q, click x button or right click select exit for those of you who think I dont know how to exit a program), but then theres all these shadow processes running in the background that I have to indivdually seek and destroy. Also, what other program assumes that you want it to start the fuck up everytime you start your computer, without telling you that its going to do that in the first place? Viruses, and dicksih programs.
Nimzabaat: Yes Steam offers great games for low prices. Mind you those games are free everywhere else but Steam streams them to you for a fee!
Steam also offers a great service in that they let hackers and viruses bypass your anti-virus and firewalls! That service is free when you download Steam. Oh but never try to uninstall Steam!
Steam also randomly blocks you from accessing content that you've paid for! Because Steam cares for you, thanks you for your money, and thinks you should be outside talking to girls or something.
Steam can be turned off so that it doesn't run on startup. Just don't look in your task manager and you'll believe that. (honestly, people think that hasn't been tried? Steam is a virus)
The honest truth is that the Escapist is full of Valve fanboys. This is the only website i've encountered that has such a unreasoning love for Valve and Steam. Seriously, one great game doesn't account for a decade or adoration.
1. I'd like to know where you get all these games for free, because I have never seen it. Is there piracy involved in getting these free games?
2. You should look up "streaming" in a dictionary.
3. I have never experienced Steam randomly blocking my content for no reason. Would you care to provide specific examples and sources?
4. Launched Steam, exited Steam and no Steam anywhere to be found in my task manager.
5. Yeah, Half-Life and Half-Life 2 are overrated games that I never cared much for. That does not make Steam a bad service though.
EDIT: Missed a point there.
6. I have never read any reports of Steam allowing things to bypass my firewall and anti-virus. I shall do a quick google search to see if I find any examples. In the meantime would you be kind a come up with an example or two? And do provide proper sources.
1. Welcome to the Internet. Seriously if you can't find a ten year old game for free you're not looking hard enough. There's abandonware sites all over the place.
2. You should look up "relevant" in a dictionary.
3. Read all the other posts is you want examples. For me, Steam blocked Half-Life, Sin Episodes Part 1, and Team Fortress.
4. Unless something has changed in the last five years, you're not looking hard enough.
5. Well I really liked Half Life. Half-Life 2 did seem pretty overrated. Okay I just got sick of the boat thing. I got REALLY sick of the boat thing. Other parts were good though.
6. Once again, lots of comments in this string complaining about the same problem. I had a great anti-virus program but got about half a dozen let through via Steam. Then when I tried uninstalling Steam I had to format my hard drive to get rid of it. Since my more tech-savvy friends were there to help with that they ended up not giving Steam a chance at all so I don't have any more personal experiences to relate.
Everyone out, clearly this is a troll thread.