Next Xbox "to have 16 core processor"

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http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/news/a375714/new-xbox-powered-by-16-core-processor.html

The new Xbox will be equipped with a 16-core processor, a new report has suggested.

The news comes after devkits were sent out to developers following a secret meeting in London last month, reports CVG.

The kits aren't thought to represent the final appearance of the new Xbox, which is codenamed Durango, but they do house the same technology.

This includes a 16-core IBM Power PC CPU, with a graphical power on par with AMD's Radeon HD 7000-series graphics cards.

That's a lot of juice, its four times what the 360 currently has.

And twice what the PS3 has, though doesn't this seem a bit excessive? 4 to 6 with a good bus would be plenty. Though I can see a console this generation bringing in neat a little ARM processor.

Azure-Supernova:
And twice what the PS3 has, though doesn't this seem a bit excessive? 4 to 6 with a good bus would be plenty. Though I can see a console this generation bringing in neat a little ARM processor.

How about sixteen with an excellent bus?

lolwut!?

We're not even thinking of 16 core CPUs for hardcore gaming PCs. AMD have only just released an 8 core CPU which is still a hefty amount. A Radeon HD 7000 equivalent seems a little far fetched as well having seen how far they can push what's in the current xbox's card.

Either this thing's gonna cost a bomb or I'm underestimating Microsoft.

It's believable, considering that Intel didn't start selling quad core CPUs to consumers until over a year after the Xbox 360 released (of course, most games at that time were still completely single-threaded).

It's funny, extra cpus could be used to make more proficient AI opponents, such as bots for shooters, but I guess that would give the games too much replay value: it would be harder to sell next year's shooters if people could play matches full of high-quality bots any time on the games they already have.

Does it even matter if it's going to require a constant online connection? It's probably just a rumor. I doubt it will have more than a quad core. Maybe a 6 core. That would be sufficient. It just needs more RAM and a more powerful GPU solution than the one that was rumored.

MatParker116:
That's a lot of juice, its four times what the 360 currently has.

Depends on how powerful each core is.

It can have 16 cores but if it has 1 hertz per core it still sucks.

It'll still run like shit because Microsoft will outsource everything to suicidal Chinese workers and the consoles will still break down at the hint of a small breeze.

ubersyanyde:
lolwut!?

We're not even thinking of 16 core CPUs for hardcore gaming PCs. AMD have only just released an 8 core CPU which is still a hefty amount. A Radeon HD 7000 equivalent seems a little far fetched as well having seen how far they can push what's in the current xbox's card.

Either this thing's gonna cost a bomb or I'm underestimating Microsoft.

And that the fact that the Bulldozer CPU is a complete joke, add to that the fact that several 7000 series GPU's are just 6xxx chips with a new sticker.

Yeah, PC's will still be performance kings. Good luck optimising console games for more than 4 cores. Good luck selling said consoles to console gamers who just want the latest installment of "point and shoot: the middle east"

This seems more like an idea of dick waving then practicality.

The amount of time it's taking them to make it, I wouldn't be at all surprised if it did.

Unfortunately 'More cores' is how computers seem to be going, and programmers by the majority don't seem to be catching up.

God all these hardware rumours are fucking hilarious...

If any of them are true then the launch prices are going to make the PS3's launch price seem like a fond memory... and in the current financial climate, it'd be more finiancially viable to just dump wheelbarrows of money out the window.

edit: If the dev console is 16 core then the retail model is probably 8 core. Dev consoles need a fuckload of extra power - they need to run everything BEFORE it gets paired down and optimised.

Azure-Supernova:
Though I can see a console this generation bringing in neat a little ARM processor.

Nah, most of the ARM development these days is for System On Chip (SoC) processors... making them even more useful in mobile devices, because that's where the money is at the moment (and will be for the foreseeable future).

OTOH, give mobile another 2 generations and shit should be pretty fucking impressive.

Seems reasonable if they want it to last.

Bit of a mistake telling everyone before Sony unveils what it does though, now the next Playstation will have a 32 core processor and be the size of your house.

Actually, kudos to Microsoft for having the balls to go first.

lulz.

This kinda tech isn't cheap and I highly doubt MS will push the costs onto the customer nor absorb it. Regardless, prototypes are not retail versions. if this is true.

16 cores? Someone try running the Heaven DX11 Benchmark on max see if it breaks.

Soviet Heavy:
It'll still run like shit because Microsoft will outsource everything to suicidal Chinese workers and the consoles will still break down at the hint of a small breeze.

You realise they learned their lesson from that incident right? The FIRST thing they'd do is make sure it works for a long time.

Terminate421:

Soviet Heavy:
It'll still run like shit because Microsoft will outsource everything to suicidal Chinese workers and the consoles will still break down at the hint of a small breeze.

You realise they learned their lesson from that incident right? The FIRST thing they'd do is make sure it works for a long time.

I know, but I will wait until this thing comes out to make a final judgment on whether they learned from it and took proper action, or if it will be like any other console launch where they didn't manage to work the kinks out.

Soviet Heavy:

Terminate421:

Soviet Heavy:
It'll still run like shit because Microsoft will outsource everything to suicidal Chinese workers and the consoles will still break down at the hint of a small breeze.

You realise they learned their lesson from that incident right? The FIRST thing they'd do is make sure it works for a long time.

I know, but I will wait until this thing comes out to make a final judgment on whether they learned from it and took proper action, or if it will be like any other console launch where they didn't manage to work the kinks out.

Consumers make the best beta testers. They'll also finance and pay for the entire project.

Cronq:

Soviet Heavy:

Terminate421:

You realise they learned their lesson from that incident right? The FIRST thing they'd do is make sure it works for a long time.

I know, but I will wait until this thing comes out to make a final judgment on whether they learned from it and took proper action, or if it will be like any other console launch where they didn't manage to work the kinks out.

Consumers make the best beta testers. They'll also finance and pay for the entire project.

Good to know they're not being scammed or anything. There's a reason why I and most other people wait for the initial release to stop sucking. Sometimes I do feel bad for those who pay the early adoption tax. They pay more for a machine that does less and is far more likely to sputter and die on them.

Soviet Heavy:

Cronq:

Soviet Heavy:

I know, but I will wait until this thing comes out to make a final judgment on whether they learned from it and took proper action, or if it will be like any other console launch where they didn't manage to work the kinks out.

Consumers make the best beta testers. They'll also finance and pay for the entire project.

Good to know they're not being scammed or anything. There's a reason why I and most other people wait for the initial release to stop sucking. Sometimes I do feel bad for those who pay the early adoption tax. They pay more for a machine that does less and is far more likely to sputter and die on them.

As far as the 360 goes, people that bought their 360s first had the ones that lasted the longest. It was the second series of 360s that were soldered with a cheaper, brittle metal that was more likely to cause a Red Ring of Death.

People that waited all the way until the 360S, though? Yeah, they're getting the version that the original should have been.

Adam Jensen:
Does it even matter if it's going to require a constant online connection? It's probably just a rumor. I doubt it will have more than a quad core. Maybe a 6 core. That would be sufficient. It just needs more RAM and a more powerful GPU solution than the one that was rumored.

That would barely be better than what the current 360 has, granted there's no details on what the processors are which gives little value to simply quoting the number of cores, but considering it'll be over a year at the minimum before these things hit stores, and they might well want to push for a 10 year life cycle, 16 cores is perfectly reasonable if they still want to be in the game come 2020 or so.

And by then, we'll all be laughing at how weak our consoles are compared to gaming PCs, just like we do now. Hardly any different than the last time around either, when 360 and PS3 specs first started seeing the light of day, they were pretty damn impressive.

These rumours are getting more and more outlandish. Wait until the '720' will use hologram technology.

I heard that one time, the new xbox blocked a bullet mid air by firing an arrow at it, then climbed into a burning 50-story building and saved several babies, before vanishing into the night as mysteriously as it had appeared...

I burst out laughing when I read the title. These rumours are bordering on troll levels now.

It appears to be still a rumor. Although it's good if it's trying to outdo a good three months worth of PCs.

Hahahaha... no.

Besides the fact that it is PPC and you cannot directly compare it to an x86 proccessor and no mention of the Ghz it will run at. I just can't see this happening. That's like $500+ in chips for the Xbox and even though Microsoft could shoulder the cost doesn't mean they are gonna want to. Besides, not like they are gonna have much hardcore competition from Sony any time soon.

Just wait everyone, this thing will ship with an "upgraded" 768MB of RAM. :P

MatParker116:
That's a lot of juice, its four times what the 360 currently has.

FYI, its not "four times what the 360 currently has". The Xbox 360 is a tri-core at 3.2Ghz. It is 5.3x the cores at an unknown frequency, which is not the same as four times.

ResonanceSD:
"point and shoot: the middle east"

I saw we take this idea, develop it and make millions.

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No... Just, just no. Mainly because it would cost a crap-ton, and just... 16 cores? Really? What, will it have 5 GPUs too?

Just watch, there will be rumours about it have 6 gigs of ram or something next.

broadbandaddict:
Just FYI, its not "four times what the 360 currently has" it is 5.3x the cores at an unknown frequency. Not the same.

Are you suggesting that 360s didn't grow an extra core purely from the power of belief?

I am shocked.

From the reactions so far... I'm gonna assume that 16 core is a lot. Even by current PC standards.

So yeah no way that's going to happen. We don't even NEED that much power for quality gaming. Those that think they do aren't going to be buying a console anytime soon anyway unless the exclusives are really good.

If im not wrong, to make the Nextbox even remotely sellable with a 16-core processor you would have to make the cores equivalent to, maybe slightly better than the cores in the current 360.

Plus knowing how Microsoft likes to do its hardware it will probably burst into flames if we scaled the complexity from the 360.

ubersyanyde:
lolwut!?

We're not even thinking of 16 core CPUs for hardcore gaming PCs. AMD have only just released an 8 core CPU which is still a hefty amount. A Radeon HD 7000 equivalent seems a little far fetched as well having seen how far they can push what's in the current xbox's card.

Either this thing's gonna cost a bomb or I'm underestimating Microsoft.

Hardcore graphic desingners and various other creative computing types already use multiple multi-core processors in their machines. I can see how it could help in a console. It can take the stress off the videocards, can run more processes at once, especially intensive tasks like physics engines. That being said, it's almost certainly not going to be 16 cores. That's just overkill, like you say, look what they can do already.

Consoles may be considerably less powerful than a PC, but look what the xbox 360 can do, compared to what a 6 year old PC could do, I reckon it's a lot more. I'm not even sure where graphical fidelity can even go from here, without getting into ultra realistic looks. I mean, I haven't been blown over by graphics in like 2 years. Yes there's minor improvements, but the improvements are slowing. I mean, Crysis is like 5 years old now and still looks pretty damned good. Now think about, for example, Half Life 1 and Half Life 2, which had like a 5 or 6 year gap. The difference between those two, graphically, is incredibly easy to spot. Not so much with games these days.

The challenge for Sony and Microsoft then, is improving the hardware, but still making a profit, or at least breaking even on each console sold.

Awexsome:
From the reactions so far... I'm gonna assume that 16 core is a lot. Even by current PC standards.

Well, considering most gaming PCs have around 4 cores (though they can get up to 8, if you are insanely rich), then yeah, it kind of is a lot. And really damn expensive too.

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