Next Xbox "to have 16 core processor"

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MatParker116:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/news/a375714/new-xbox-powered-by-16-core-processor.html

The new Xbox will be equipped with a 16-core processor, a new report has suggested.

The news comes after devkits were sent out to developers following a secret meeting in London last month, reports CVG.

The kits aren't thought to represent the final appearance of the new Xbox, which is codenamed Durango, but they do house the same technology.

This includes a 16-core IBM Power PC CPU, with a graphical power on par with AMD's Radeon HD 7000-series graphics cards.

That's a lot of juice, its four times what the 360 currently has.

Why stick with the terrible Power PC processor?! Power PC has MAJOR heating issues.

There are better, faster, and more efficient processors out there.

There is a REASON Apple ditched them, they suck.

Just sounds like somebody released the specs of a development box.

Honestly, despite the "power" of the current consoles "holding back" games; the next xbox only needs to be 2z as powerful in CPU and GPU, but the RAM needs to be bumped up to at least 2gb. If it has anything less then 1gb... they yea.. its going to not be a great as it could have been.

broadbandaddict:
Besides the fact that it is PPC and you cannot directly compare it to an x86 proccessor and no mention of the Ghz it will run at. I just can't see this happening. That's like $500+ in chips for the Xbox and even though Microsoft could shoulder the cost doesn't mean they are gonna want to.

It's pointless trying to guess what the retail model will have going off the devkit console anyway except for the basic type of CPU and possibly the expected generation of GPU because in all ways it will be massively overpowered compared to the retail model. A devkit console is just a RISC-based workstation stuffed in a custom box usually running 2 OS, the console's OS and one that's useful for actual development, probably a flavour of Unix seeing as it's a RISC box. As a workstation, it'll be running $2k-5k worth of kit inside which you can guarantee is not representative of what the retail model will have, especially as not only do they need extra power so they can 'scale down' to make things fit on a retail console but because they don't have half the custom kit the retail model will they have to do a lot of resource intensive emulation. (This isn't directly aimed at you as you probably already know all this)

So the NextBox is gonna be running a PowerPC CPU and most likely a custom 7000 series AMD GPU. Big woop... PowerPC CPU is pretty much a given and the GPU is no surprise. My grandmother could have guessed that and she's not only not technologically inclined but has been dead for 20 years. Might as well get excited about it using controllers.

ThePS1Fan:
Just watch, there will be rumours about it have 6 gigs of ram or something next.

Is that all?

Waaghpowa:

ResonanceSD:
"point and shoot: the middle east"

I saw we take this idea, develop it and make millions.

We could corner the market, as far as I know, no one else is in this space.

razer17:
The challenge for Sony and Microsoft then, is improving the hardware, but still making a profit, or at least breaking even on each console sold.

No it's not. The aim for the first half of the generation's life span is to sell at a loss to give a larger install base then recoup money via development licencing for games.

16 core processors! That's like 6 mass effect field generators, two whole hyperdrives or a dozen Sigil stones! Combined!!!

I'm just kidding, I have no idea what that means but from the comments I gather we might just be able to power our very own oblivion gate with that technological monstrosity.

Its going to have 4 motherboards and 32 rams and 3 internets too, right?

Yes, were totally going to try to force hardware configuration that has not even been utilized in a desktop format for mass market yet, when the current console was noted for massive failure rates due to astronomical heat issues.

If this is the alternative can we go back to the no used games nonsense?

Wait? is this based in the Unreal 4 engine quote on wikipedia?

Sweeney gave a speech at PoPL06 (the Symposium on Principles of Programming Languages) that described aspects of how the Unreal Engine 3 worked at the time and "what we would like to write" in the future. He predicted the next generation of games consoles would arrive in 2009, at which time game designers would work with CPUs that had 20 or more cores, 80 or more hardware threads, and more than a teraflops of computing power

RhombusHatesYou:

razer17:
The challenge for Sony and Microsoft then, is improving the hardware, but still making a profit, or at least breaking even on each console sold.

No it's not. The aim for the first half of the generation's life span is to sell at a loss to give a larger install base then recoup money via development licencing for games.

That was their aim last time. However, I think considering the power of the current Xbox and PS3, they should be able to minimise spending whilst still making a product that's considerably more powerful than what they have now. Certainly I doubt Sony wants to loss lead to the extent it did with the PS3 launch. They made a huge loss on every one of the early PS3's they sold, and the execs will be looking at making sure they minimise their losses compared to then. Especially with the new financial details they revealed today, making record losses.

RhombusHatesYou:
It's pointless trying to guess what the retail model will have going off the devkit console anyway except for the basic type of CPU and possibly the expected generation of GPU because in all ways it will be massively overpowered compared to the retail model. A devkit console is just a RISC-based workstation stuffed in a custom box usually running 2 OS, the console's OS and one that's useful for actual development, probably a flavour of Unix seeing as it's a RISC box. As a workstation, it'll be running $2k-5k worth of kit inside which you can guarantee is not representative of what the retail model will have, especially as not only do they need extra power so they can 'scale down' to make things fit on a retail console but because they don't have half the custom kit the retail model will they have to do a lot of resource intensive emulation. (This isn't directly aimed at you as you probably already know all this)

So the NextBox is gonna be running a PowerPC CPU and most likely a custom 7000 series AMD GPU. Big woop... PowerPC CPU is pretty much a given and the GPU is no surprise. My grandmother could have guessed that and she's not only not technologically inclined but has been dead for 20 years. Might as well get excited about it using controllers.

Learn something new everyday.

The only rumor I've heard that seemed fairly interesting is that Sony is teaming up with AMD for the next PS3. A custom motherboard will be built that is dual socket. One for the new x86 based PS4 processor and one for the Cell processor out of the PS3 for backwards compatibility. That seemed pretty cool.

More cores does not always equal better/faster. I wish people would learn to realize this. It all depends on the specs.

razer17:

RhombusHatesYou:

razer17:
The challenge for Sony and Microsoft then, is improving the hardware, but still making a profit, or at least breaking even on each console sold.

No it's not. The aim for the first half of the generation's life span is to sell at a loss to give a larger install base then recoup money via development licencing for games.

That was their aim last time. However, I think considering the power of the current Xbox and PS3, they should be able to minimise spending whilst still making a product that's considerably more powerful than what they have now. Certainly I doubt Sony wants to loss lead to the extent it did with the PS3 launch. They made a huge loss on every one of the early PS3's they sold, and the execs will be looking at making sure they minimise their losses compared to then. Especially with the new financial details they revealed today, making record losses.

They don't have a choice.

Unless they're supremely confident in both the market and the 'loyalty' of their customers, they'd be insane to try it because without Loss Leader sales they're going to be in direct price competition with gaming PCs.

Even with Loss Lead, with all the tech rumoured for the next generation the launch prices are going to make the PS3's launch price seem like a fond memory.

Flailing Escapist:
16 core processors! That's like 6 mass effect field generators, two whole hyperdrives or a dozen Sigil stones! Combined!!!

I'm just kidding, I have no idea what that means but from the comments I gather we might just be able to power our very own oblivion gate with that technological monstrosity.

Ah...I see, Microsoft's answer to the wiiu is actual monsters to fight, now THAT is hard core motion controls.

that aside, isn't saying 16 cores a bit like saying 16 guns. without mentioning if they are .22s or .44s?

The next Xbox, the 16 Core totting anti-used-games cartridge based system that is 3D and movement activated.

Its nice that people are interested enough to make rumors, but thats just it.

If and when we do get a new console, it will probably have considerable power. Were working with outdated technology right now, to the point where its weird. The next step up is going to have to be a step up if people really want to push a higher quality of games. Which means we will see a boost in not only console gaming, but PC gaming tech as well.

That doesnt mean it will have 16 Cores though. It very well might, but who knows. Its a rumor, let the official release detail all this information, if and when it comes

So one core per player that most Xbox games will play online? (Some games may go down to a half-core per player, or force players to play as Archons).

2733:

Flailing Escapist:
16 core processors! That's like 6 mass effect field generators, two whole hyperdrives or a dozen Sigil stones! Combined!!!

I'm just kidding, I have no idea what that means but from the comments I gather we might just be able to power our very own oblivion gate with that technological monstrosity.

Ah...I see, Microsoft's answer to the wiiu is actual monsters to fight, now THAT is hard core motion controls.

that aside, isn't saying 16 cores a bit like saying 16 guns. without mentioning if they are .22s or .44s?

Will it matter? A gun's a gun and we're going to need as many as we can get to fight off all those daedra (and the occasional pesky adventurer). But we'd only need one boomstick, another 15 boomsticks would just be unneccasary. Unless, of course, it was 16 player co-op - in which case it makes perfect sense.

captcha: that's right
Even captcha agrees with me

This will either be horribly expensive, or will have horrible over heating problems if these rumors are true.

broadbandaddict:
The only rumor I've heard that seemed fairly interesting is that Sony is teaming up with AMD for the next PS3. A custom motherboard will be built that is dual socket. One for the new x86 based PS4 processor and one for the Cell processor out of the PS3 for backwards compatibility. That seemed pretty cool.

Cool but highly doubtful. It would be a resource pig as you'd need 2 different OSes, one for the Cell processor (RISC CPU) and one for the x86 (CISC CPU)... basically it'd be building a PS3 inside a PS4 and the 2 would never communicate. It'd be a dual boot OS set up.

Plus Sony already played around with hardware based backwards compatibility in the original model PS3... and shitcanned it as way too expensive.

There's also the issue of why a console manufacturer would risk using a x86 CPU when that's pretty much an open invitation for the PC based hackers, crackers and general ne'er-do-wells to pull your shit apart for emulation and possibly outright OS copying. It represents a MASSIVE potential security flaw... bigger than the one that saw Sony kill 'Other OS' on the PS3.

Uber Waddles:
That doesnt mean it will have 16 Cores though.

The fact that the devkit has 16 cores makes almost certain the retail model won't.

16 Cores is a nice way to future-proof their console; they want the next generation to last longer than this one, or at least equal it.
Considering this is the longest "Generation" so far, they need to make sure their console can keep up with advances in technology long after it has shipped. It means a high introduction price, however it also means the console will stay relevant for a long time post-launch.

Flailing Escapist:

2733:

Flailing Escapist:
16 core processors! That's like 6 mass effect field generators, two whole hyperdrives or a dozen Sigil stones! Combined!!!

I'm just kidding, I have no idea what that means but from the comments I gather we might just be able to power our very own oblivion gate with that technological monstrosity.

Ah...I see, Microsoft's answer to the wiiu is actual monsters to fight, now THAT is hard core motion controls.

that aside, isn't saying 16 cores a bit like saying 16 guns. without mentioning if they are .22s or .44s?

Will it matter? A gun's a gun and we're going to need as many as we can get to fight off all those daedra (and the occasional pesky adventurer). But we'd only need one boomstick, another 15 boomsticks would just be unneccasary. Unless, of course, it was 16 player co-op - in which case it makes perfect sense.

captcha: that's right
Even captcha agrees with me

Two boomsticks. People in Tamriel have recently evolved the ability to dual-wield, remember?

wintercoat:
Two boomsticks. People in Tamriel have recently evolved the ability to dual-wield, remember?

I think that might just be the Nords. Last time I was in Cyrodiil those old clogs were still restricted to just one boomstick and maybe a shield.

Still... I'm not sure you'd need to wield two boomsticks even if you could. Double lightsabes maybe, fuck, I need to check my dungeon master's guide again so we can get some equivalency here.

RhombusHatesYou:

broadbandaddict:
The only rumor I've heard that seemed fairly interesting is that Sony is teaming up with AMD for the next PS3. A custom motherboard will be built that is dual socket. One for the new x86 based PS4 processor and one for the Cell processor out of the PS3 for backwards compatibility. That seemed pretty cool.

Cool but highly doubtful. It would be a resource pig as you'd need 2 different OSes, one for the Cell processor (RISC CPU) and one for the x86 (CISC CPU)... basically it'd be building a PS3 inside a PS4 and the 2 would never communicate. It'd be a dual boot OS set up.

Plus Sony already played around with hardware based backwards compatibility in the original model PS3... and shitcanned it as way too expensive.

There's also the issue of why a console manufacturer would risk using a x86 CPU when that's pretty much an open invitation for the PC based hackers, crackers and general ne'er-do-wells to pull your shit apart for emulation and possibly outright OS copying. It represents a MASSIVE potential security flaw... bigger than the one that saw Sony kill 'Other OS' on the PS3.

Yeah I dunno, I thought the dual socket thing sounded neat. :P

Switching to x86 or x64 processors though would be good wouldn't it? I mean you would cheap parts that are already developed and ready to go instead of pumping out another Cell processor and losing $600 a console at the start. Then couple that with a semi-modern 7000 or 8000 series GPU and good to go. Easy to produce and cheap parts.

RhombusHatesYou:

They don't have a choice.

Unless they're supremely confident in both the market and the 'loyalty' of their customers, they'd be insane to try it because without Loss Leader sales they're going to be in direct price competition with gaming PCs.

Even with Loss Lead, with all the tech rumoured for the next generation the launch prices are going to make the PS3's launch price seem like a fond memory.

I did say that there challenge is to make it as near to being profitable as possible. Considering the advances in technology since the last generation was released, building something much more powerful than the 360 shouldn't require cost as much as it did then. Even if they do release with a loss leader, I still don't think it will be as expensive for them as when this console generation was released, unless they really do put some of the rumoured tech in, which I doubt they will.

Awesome that the new consoles will apparently cost around 5-10.000$ finally I can use the arguement that consoles cost more upfront then pcs. Yay.

Clive Howlitzer:
More cores does not always equal better/faster. I wish people would learn to realize this. It all depends on the specs.

And whether or not developers bother to optimise for 16 cores

Also it's still going to be relatively contempary tech. No matter how far they try their CPU, GPU, RAM and storage will all be massively outdated in six years if it's going to be at all economical.

EDIT: And how many of those 16 would realistically work. The PS3 was initially touted as 8 core, ended up as 6 core for applications + 1 for OS

Dryk:

Clive Howlitzer:
More cores does not always equal better/faster. I wish people would learn to realize this. It all depends on the specs.

And whether or not developers bother to optimise for 16 cores

Also it's still going to be relatively contempary tech. No matter how far they try their CPU, GPU, RAM and storage will all be massively outdated in six years if it's going to be at all economical.

EDIT: And how many of those 16 would realistically work. The PS3 was initially touted as 8 core, ended up as 6 core for applications + 1 for OS

This is all true. Hell I can remember how long it took half the games I use to even bother optimizing for 2 cores. Hell, there are still games that don't support SLI/Crossfire.(A PC problem, but shows how long it takes developers to account for stuff)

I thought that having so many processors made the PS3 inherently more difficult to program for over the Xbox. This is partially what led to ports being underwhelming on PS3 when compared to their Xbox counterparts.

Assuming there is any truth to that statement, the idea of having 16 processors seems iffy.

I want to believe.

I don't know who the hell is going to optimize for 16 cores... Wouldn't this kind of CPU make developers have a harder time optimizing for multiple platforms?
Doesn't matter if the most powerful console belongs to Sony or Microsoft if we will have piss poor ports.

It's hard enough to find places that u can optimize for parallelism in a game engine, somethings just need to be processed in a fixed sequence and cannot/should not be threaded.

It would seem like a strange move to make when a lot of games still can't fully utilize four cores.

dessertmonkeyjk:
16 cores? Someone try running the Heaven DX11 Benchmark on max see if it breaks.

And what makes you think a 16-core CPU can break a GPU benchmark?

ubersyanyde:
We're not even thinking of 16 core CPUs for hardcore gaming PCs. AMD have only just released an 8 core CPU which is still a hefty amount.

Well technically it's a quad core that has the shit hyperthreaded out of it, so it doesn't actually have 8 physical cores. I think there are 16-core CPUs but they're probably Bulldozer server processors (even then, they don't have 16 physical cores).

16 core CPUs exist.. anywhere in the world?

How did I miss that. Server hardware no doubt. Yeah it's a devkit but still cool as hell. I wonder what that thing has for GPU? The devkit, not the nextbox.

Azure-Supernova:
And twice what the PS3 has, though doesn't this seem a bit excessive? 4 to 6 with a good bus would be plenty. Though I can see a console this generation bringing in neat a little ARM processor.

Well, you know, they have to be able to compete with PC players at least on the launch date.

ubersyanyde:
We're not even thinking of 16 core CPUs for hardcore gaming PCs. AMD have only just released an 8 core CPU which is still a hefty amount. A Radeon HD 7000 equivalent seems a little far fetched as well having seen how far they can push what's in the current xbox's card.

Well AMD is not thiking about 16 core CPUs, Intel has a I7 with 8 cores that due to new architecture already works at the speed of around 12 core CPU, and thats whats been on the market for what, 2 years now? what do you think runs in their lab for "next cpu" ?

ResonanceSD:

ThePS1Fan:
Just watch, there will be rumours about it have 6 gigs of ram or something next.

Is that all?

Waaghpowa:

ResonanceSD:
"point and shoot: the middle east"

I saw we take this idea, develop it and make millions.

We could corner the market, as far as I know, no one else is in this space.

You could also release map packs for it as DLC:

Point and shoot: Russia's Revenge

&

Point and shoot: Badass Jungle adventure

OT

Ha ha ha 16 cores indeed, MS seem to find designing cooling for there consoles difficult enough with 3 cores and a GPU, 16 would probably kill them, not to mention that unless someone has come up with a really cheep and efficiently way of manufacturing these chips then the cost would be huge and in today's financial market that's going to be s successful as a one legged man in an arse kicking contest.

From everybody`s reaction here it sounds like that is a real shit ton. Its making me kind of hope this rumor is actually true. I am actually really doubting that this is true though. It just seems like it is to early for people to be getting dev kits.

One thing people need to remember though is a company like microsoft can get technology like this before it goes on the market and far cheaper then anybody else.

isometry:
It's believable, considering that Intel didn't start selling quad core CPUs to consumers until over a year after the Xbox 360 released (of course, most games at that time were still completely single-threaded).

It's funny, extra cpus could be used to make more proficient AI opponents, such as bots for shooters, but I guess that would give the games too much replay value: it would be harder to sell next year's shooters if people could play matches full of high-quality bots any time on the games they already have.

That wouldnt make a difference since the core crowd who buys those shooters doesnt give a fuck about bots. They want to be playing against actual people. Plus you know you get better faster against real people as well.

God these rumours are hilarious. 16 core cpu? just no. I can see them having 6 maybe 8 but thats pushing it. The gpu is a bit more reasonable, the 7000 series is possible. This all depends on when they actually want to release this stuff. For the cpu maybe in another 5 years or so, the gpu would most likely be suitable if its released with 1-2 years. idk what Ram is being suggested, but something like 8gb is reasonably within a year or two.

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