Next Xbox "to have 16 core processor"

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black_knight1337:
God these rumours are hilarious. 16 core cpu? just no. I can see them having 6 maybe 8 but thats pushing it. The gpu is a bit more reasonable, the 7000 series is possible. This all depends on when they actually want to release this stuff. For the cpu maybe in another 5 years or so, the gpu would most likely be suitable if its released with 1-2 years. idk what Ram is being suggested, but something like 8gb is reasonably within a year or two.

8Gb would be excellent but it may increase the price too much.

All I know is Xbox Durango sounds badass. That should be the final retail name for the console.

MatParker116:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/news/a375714/new-xbox-powered-by-16-core-processor.html

The new Xbox will be equipped with a 16-core processor, a new report has suggested.

The news comes after devkits were sent out to developers following a secret meeting in London last month, reports CVG.

The kits aren't thought to represent the final appearance of the new Xbox, which is codenamed Durango, but they do house the same technology.

This includes a 16-core IBM Power PC CPU, with a graphical power on par with AMD's Radeon HD 7000-series graphics cards.

That's a lot of juice, its four times what the 360 currently has.

Hmm, and how many transistors per core, and what is the clock speed? CISC or RISC?

People, let's not get in over our heads, this 16 core CPU might still get trounced by a top level Intel Xeon. More cores != more computational capability.

Also, MS has a hell of a job on their hands making sure their API's will properly tap 16-cores, because asking the devs to do that manually will be a killer, it was bad enough with PS3's 6.

Lastly, I've read that the graphics will be on par with the Radeon 7 series. When putting this one out, were MS saying it with some sort of pride or gleefulness? Because the 7 series will be outdated by the end of the year and the top level cards have already been soundly beaten by the NVidia GTX 680.

I put this in an earlier next-gen console thread, I expect Durango and Orbis to have no more than 2GB of RAM considering the memory management algorithms and lightweight OS that go into consoles.

Aside from that, til we see something more concrete, let's keep all this speculation at a very liberal arm's length.

Somebody high-up at Microsoft must be sitting there shouting "MOAR POWER!!!!1!1", it doent need that many cores.

That's a lot of juice. I'm half-expecting it to become self-aware.

Da Orky Man:
They took their time, but the PC Master Race has deigned to speak to us lowly console mortals.

He hasn't said anything about PCs, he's talking completely about the stuff consoles are made of. This happens to be a a thread about technology, using words such as "transistor" doesn't mean he's speaking down to you.

ubersyanyde:
lolwut!?

We're not even thinking of 16 core CPUs for hardcore gaming PCs. AMD have only just released an 8 core CPU which is still a hefty amount. A Radeon HD 7000 equivalent seems a little far fetched as well having seen how far they can push what's in the current xbox's card.

Either this thing's gonna cost a bomb or I'm underestimating Microsoft.

Or it's one of the million bullshit rumours. Remember when it wasn't going to be significantly more powerful, for cost reasons, than the XBox 360? Remember the dueling rumours of no disc drive and a BD drive?

I think the current rumour is that it's 63' feet tall, requires an industriual power line, and kicks you in the ass if you insert a used game.

I've heard that the new Xbox will forego computer parts all together and will be powered by a group of tiny unicorns inside the individual units. Furthermore, it will not use physical or direct download for games but rather you will buy small pouches of fairy dust which will be used to wish games onto the Xbox.

**Disclaimer**: For all you internet "journalists" (*snicker* journalists, that's fucking rich) the following is written for comedic purposes only so please try your hardest to avoid posting (read: copy/pasting) this on your front page. I am not a reliable source (nor is anyone else who's given you a story recently but fuck all if you'll let that stop you) and the following is a total fabrication. So please, I know the page hits trumps the truth in your line of work but, again please, try your hardest.

ResonanceSD:

ubersyanyde:
lolwut!?

We're not even thinking of 16 core CPUs for hardcore gaming PCs. AMD have only just released an 8 core CPU which is still a hefty amount. A Radeon HD 7000 equivalent seems a little far fetched as well having seen how far they can push what's in the current xbox's card.

Either this thing's gonna cost a bomb or I'm underestimating Microsoft.

And that the fact that the Bulldozer CPU is a complete joke, add to that the fact that several 7000 series GPU's are just 6xxx chips with a new sticker.

Yeah, PC's will still be performance kings. Good luck optimising console games for more than 4 cores. Good luck selling said consoles to console gamers who just want the latest installment of "point and shoot: the middle east"

i disagree this might be the kick that multi thread support actually needs. It can be potentially very useful. And improved multithreading would increase the usefullness for pc bound mulitple core systems.

Not to mention if it wants to be competitive for YEARS this would be the way to do it.

And 7 series cards aren't that pricey, specially not for companies who are going to be bulk buying the things.

This has a lot more believability than the other rumors so far.

MatParker116:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/news/a375714/new-xbox-powered-by-16-core-processor.html

The new Xbox will be equipped with a 16-core processor, a new report has suggested.

The news comes after devkits were sent out to developers following a secret meeting in London last month, reports CVG.

The kits aren't thought to represent the final appearance of the new Xbox, which is codenamed Durango, but they do house the same technology.

This includes a 16-core IBM Power PC CPU, with a graphical power on par with AMD's Radeon HD 7000-series graphics cards.

That's a lot of juice, its four times what the 360 currently has.

Bet it only has a Gig of RAM...

This won't happen seeing as there are no CPUs except server CPUs that have 16 cores. Mark my words, it's not true.

Terminate421:

Soviet Heavy:
It'll still run like shit because Microsoft will outsource everything to suicidal Chinese workers and the consoles will still break down at the hint of a small breeze.

You realise they learned their lesson from that incident right? The FIRST thing they'd do is make sure it works for a long time.

The original XBOX broke down alot too, people probably thought they learned their lesson after that one too but they realeased an even more faulty successor.

Da Orky Man:

Griffolion:

MatParker116:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/news/a375714/new-xbox-powered-by-16-core-processor.html

That's a lot of juice, its four times what the 360 currently has.

Hmm, and how many transistors per core, and what is the clock speed? CISC or RISC?

People, let's not get in over our heads, this 16 core CPU might still get trounced by a top level Intel Xeon. More cores != more computational capability.

Also, MS has a hell of a job on their hands making sure their API's will properly tap 16-cores, because asking the devs to do that manually will be a killer, it was bad enough with PS3's 6.

Lastly, I've read that the graphics will be on par with the Radeon 7 series. When putting this one out, were MS saying it with some sort of pride or gleefulness? Because the 7 series will be outdated by the end of the year and the top level cards have already been soundly beaten by the NVidia GTX 680.

I put this in an earlier next-gen console thread, I expect Durango and Orbis to have no more than 2GB of RAM considering the memory management algorithms and lightweight OS that go into consoles.

Aside from that, til we see something more concrete, let's keep all this speculation at a very liberal arm's length.

They took their time, but the PC Master Race has deigned to speak to us lowly console mortals.

When I got a 360 just after launch PC gamers were not happy - at the time the 360 could match most current gaming PCs so I expect the same to happen when Microsoft release their next gen... a year after that PC gamers might have something to be smug about (if they have the money for whatever tech comes out of course.)

From what I heard from the devs I know, Microsoft's next console will be equivalent to a 3.6ghz six core processor with a 7950 and 4gig of memory shared, however there is a second version to compete with the WiiU that will be cheaper - probably cloud based. As a recently converted PC gamer myself I will be fairly happy if what I've been told comes true because it means I don't have to upgrade for a long while (minimum spec for most PC games has been fairly static for a while, I suppose because of the 360's spec) however I really wish Microsoft would up the memory.

The deal breaker for me was the security measures. Don't be surprised if it comes with Origin either.

16 cores?

Yeah, good luck with that.

I have a quad-core CPU, and Í've yet to come across a game that can make meaningful use of more than 2 of them. (with some load on a 3rd for background tasks.)

Game programmers are just not very good at writing decent multi-threaded code.

Of course, it doesn't help that PC architecture isn't well-designed for it. DirectX in particular has some serious bottlenecks that make using more than 2 cpu cores efficiently almost impossible, because of the way the CPU, and GPU communicate with eachother.
DirectX 11 took a step or two in trying to fix this, but it's still a long way off from being usable.

That, and writing multi-threaded code given how a game functions is just plain difficult.

So... If it does have 16 cores, you'd better hope the architecture was planned really carefully...
Otherwise 12 or more of those cores are going to spend most of their time doing nothing...

Griffolion:
Hmm, and how many transistors per core, and what is the clock speed? CISC or RISC?

People, let's not get in over our heads, this 16 core CPU might still get trounced by a top level Intel Xeon. More cores != more computational capability.

If the rumours are true then it's almost certain to be an IBM Power7 CPU in those devkits... I really can't be arsed pulling up a benched comparison between those and Xeons - too much fucking digging and server kit performance doesn't always translate well into gaming performance. Plus if I did put one up it would only lead to one of us having to explain FlOps and why they're important. Fuck That Noise.

Aside from that, til we see something more concrete, let's keep all this speculation at a very liberal arm's length.

As I said upthread, even if the rumours on what's inside the devkit are true, it's a sodding devkit. You can't reliably extrapolate anything for the eventual retail model from the devkit's specs beyond basic CPU type and probably GPU generation.

Griffolion:

Hmm, and how many transistors per core, and what is the clock speed? CISC or RISC?

People, let's not get in over our heads, this 16 core CPU might still get trounced by a top level Intel Xeon. More cores != more computational capability.

Also, MS has a hell of a job on their hands making sure their API's will properly tap 16-cores, because asking the devs to do that manually will be a killer, it was bad enough with PS3's 6.

Lastly, I've read that the graphics will be on par with the Radeon 7 series. When putting this one out, were MS saying it with some sort of pride or gleefulness? Because the 7 series will be outdated by the end of the year and the top level cards have already been soundly beaten by the NVidia GTX 680.

I put this in an earlier next-gen console thread, I expect Durango and Orbis to have no more than 2GB of RAM considering the memory management algorithms and lightweight OS that go into consoles.

Aside from that, til we see something more concrete, let's keep all this speculation at a very liberal arm's length.

Even if the xbox is outclassed by PCs it doesn't mean much as everyone knows that. Nobody expects them to cram in a 680 or similar.

If they put something from the 7XXX generation then it would mean they could end up with a very efficient console from the start which could reduce the chance of another RROD fiasco which (if I remember right) was due to the heat the system put out.

I don't know anything about the tech side of it, but this comes to mind...

Moar power!

That's it?

I heard that the next line of GE toasters will have a 16 core processor, and be able to toast 5 pieces of bread at once. Why 5 and not 6? Why the hell not?

The real question is: will there be 16 actual physical cores in there or will it use virtual processors. If it's virtual cores, I can understand it. However, it's going to be a total horror for developers if they want to actually USE these things to their full potential.

Actually making content that requires enough OOMPH to require 16 cores... well... It's either going to look better than real life (poor, poor graphics designers) or have such awesome physics (poor, poor developers)

Maybe they can.
Don't know why they would.

MatParker116:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/news/a375714/new-xbox-powered-by-16-core-processor.html

The new Xbox will be equipped with a 16-core processor, a new report has suggested.

The news comes after devkits were sent out to developers following a secret meeting in London last month, reports CVG.

The kits aren't thought to represent the final appearance of the new Xbox, which is codenamed Durango, but they do house the same technology.

This includes a 16-core IBM Power PC CPU, with a graphical power on par with AMD's Radeon HD 7000-series graphics cards.

That's a lot of juice, its four times what the 360 currently has.

That must mean it's 4 times as good!

Right?

Zachary Amaranth:

ubersyanyde:
lolwut!?

We're not even thinking of 16 core CPUs for hardcore gaming PCs. AMD have only just released an 8 core CPU which is still a hefty amount. A Radeon HD 7000 equivalent seems a little far fetched as well having seen how far they can push what's in the current xbox's card.

Either this thing's gonna cost a bomb or I'm underestimating Microsoft.

Or it's one of the million bullshit rumours. Remember when it wasn't going to be significantly more powerful, for cost reasons, than the XBox 360? Remember the dueling rumours of no disc drive and a BD drive?

I think the current rumour is that it's 63' feet tall, requires an industriual power line, and kicks you in the ass if you insert a used game.

I hear it will consume the English with fireballs from its eyes, and bolts of lightning from its arse...

Cookie for the reference.

Elamdri:

Bet it only has a Gig of RAM...

It would still be the first to crack 1 Gb :|

Soviet Heavy:

Terminate421:

Soviet Heavy:
It'll still run like shit because Microsoft will outsource everything to suicidal Chinese workers and the consoles will still break down at the hint of a small breeze.

You realise they learned their lesson from that incident right? The FIRST thing they'd do is make sure it works for a long time.

I know, but I will wait until this thing comes out to make a final judgment on whether they learned from it and took proper action, or if it will be like any other console launch where they didn't manage to work the kinks out.

Maybe they'll make it liquid cooled?

Da Orky Man:

Griffolion:

MatParker116:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/news/a375714/new-xbox-powered-by-16-core-processor.html

That's a lot of juice, its four times what the 360 currently has.

Hmm, and how many transistors per core, and what is the clock speed? CISC or RISC?

People, let's not get in over our heads, this 16 core CPU might still get trounced by a top level Intel Xeon. More cores != more computational capability.

Also, MS has a hell of a job on their hands making sure their API's will properly tap 16-cores, because asking the devs to do that manually will be a killer, it was bad enough with PS3's 6.

Lastly, I've read that the graphics will be on par with the Radeon 7 series. When putting this one out, were MS saying it with some sort of pride or gleefulness? Because the 7 series will be outdated by the end of the year and the top level cards have already been soundly beaten by the NVidia GTX 680.

I put this in an earlier next-gen console thread, I expect Durango and Orbis to have no more than 2GB of RAM considering the memory management algorithms and lightweight OS that go into consoles.

Aside from that, til we see something more concrete, let's keep all this speculation at a very liberal arm's length.

They took their time, but the PC Master Race has deigned to speak to us lowly console mortals.

How you got from someone who knows what they're talking about regarding computer hardware, to the pc master race bullshit, i'll never know but well done you.

Awexsome:
From the reactions so far... I'm gonna assume that 16 core is a lot. Even by current PC standards.

NOPE!

Tilera announces 64-core processor
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http://www.tilera.com/technology

http://www.tilera.com/products/processors

http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4217220/Tilera-launches-many-core-processor

captcha:
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j-e-f-f-e-r-s:

I hear it will consume the English with fireballs from its eyes, and bolts of lightning from its arse...

Cookie for the reference.

Braveheart. It doesn't hurt that I just looked up the reference to make sure I had it right for alluding to it in my novel. XD

ubersyanyde:
lolwut!?

We're not even thinking of 16 core CPUs for hardcore gaming PCs. AMD have only just released an 8 core CPU which is still a hefty amount. A Radeon HD 7000 equivalent seems a little far fetched as well having seen how far they can push what's in the current xbox's card.

Either this thing's gonna cost a bomb or I'm underestimating Microsoft.

The difference is desktop PC's have out of order processors whereas consoles are entirely in-order processors. I'll let wiki say it for me. Essentially, in an out of order processor "the processor can avoid being idle while data is retrieved for the next instruction in a program, processing instead the next instructions which is able to run immediately."

Zachary Amaranth:

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:

I hear it will consume the English with fireballs from its eyes, and bolts of lightning from its arse...

Cookie for the reference.

Braveheart. It doesn't hurt that I just looked up the reference to make sure I had it right for alluding to it in my novel. XD

Zing! One cookie for you sir.

You've written a novel? Well played sir. Have you got a publisher, or are you still shopping around?

TorqueConverter:
16 core CPUs exist.. anywhere in the world?

Yes and no.

I highly doubt that they would be using 16 physical cores but rather a CPU with 8 physical and 8 virtual giving a total of 16 logical cores.

This is all hardware designed for a server which leaves it very skeptical.

Considering that 16 core is possible now and that the new xbox still has over a year to come out, this sound very possible.

To me that sounds like "the next iPhone will have a 12 megapixels camera!!!!!1!"
People would even think that's good - lol 12mp camera on a smartphone; 8 is too much already. All rumors like this are made in the following way:
Take current specs.
Raise some numbers.
Place it on some website.

Example Galaxy S3:
S2: CPU: Dual Core @ 1,2 GHz
S3: CPU: Dual, no Quad Core @ 1,5 GHz
S2: Ram: 1 GB
S3: Ram: 2 GB
S2: Camera: 8 MP
S3: Camera: 12 MP
S2: Screen Resolution.........

I think you know what I mean.

16 cores my ass. Developers had problems with the playstation 3 already, with its Cell CPU. Technically it didn't even have 6 cores.

ThePS1Fan:
Just watch, there will be rumours about it have 6 gigs of ram or something next.

it needs to have atleast that now days... 4gigs is starting to be on the very low end...

Azure-Supernova:
And twice what the PS3 has, though doesn't this seem a bit excessive? 4 to 6 with a good bus would be plenty. Though I can see a console this generation bringing in neat a little ARM processor.

You are forgetting, this thing is going to have to last almost a decade, 360 cameout in 2005 it is now 2012 and the 720 probably won't hit shelves until 2013 maybe 2014, in other words just short of a decade.... what seems excessive and crazy now, will seem mediocre 5 6 7 years from now. It is the nature of technology.

I really, really doubt this. 8 cores is probably what it'll be, and even that's pretty high. I sure hope the price isn't too high, but I'm sure it will be with this amount of cores. Hell, honestly, the thing I care most about it making sure the damn thing doesn't break so damn easy. I love my Xbox, but they break a lot.

Das Boot:
From everybody`s reaction here it sounds like that is a real shit ton. Its making me kind of hope this rumor is actually true. I am actually really doubting that this is true though. It just seems like it is to early for people to be getting dev kits.

One thing people need to remember though is a company like microsoft can get technology like this before it goes on the market and far cheaper then anybody else.

isometry:
It's believable, considering that Intel didn't start selling quad core CPUs to consumers until over a year after the Xbox 360 released (of course, most games at that time were still completely single-threaded).

It's funny, extra cpus could be used to make more proficient AI opponents, such as bots for shooters, but I guess that would give the games too much replay value: it would be harder to sell next year's shooters if people could play matches full of high-quality bots any time on the games they already have.

That wouldnt make a difference since the core crowd who buys those shooters doesnt give a fuck about bots. They want to be playing against actual people. Plus you know you get better faster against real people as well.

Yeah, but their opinion would change if the bots became as challenging and interesting to play against as human opponents.

The problem with current bots is that they eventually become predictable, because they can't adapt to new levels of competitive play that human players will push themselves to. Instead of pre-programmed bots, a more sophisticated idea would be to have AI bots could constantly learn by studying the tactical patterns of 1000s of successful players every day. This kind of machine learning is not some futuristic pie-in-the-sky technology, it is the same technology that underlies things like chess playing supercomputers (they don't just compute future moves by brute force, they mostly rely on expert strategies).

Hopefully that manages to convey why I think the simple bots we've seen so far in shooters are only the tip of the iceberg for the better bots that will be possible in the future. In addition, there are a lot of people who buy shooters for the single player campaign but find the multiplayer modes too difficult and full of douchebags, so these guys would welcome the addition of good bots. Lastly, a big part of why people buy new shooters every year is because older games don't have enough players to support good multiplayer matches, so someone who wants to play an older game would welcome the addition of bots to make it playable.

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