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Where's the point that you fix the myriad of plotholes and appalling writing, the lack of cohesion, the jarring switches in characterisation, the ridiculous deus ex machina, the bizarre genre shifts the.... | |
Give the fans what they want as a DLC/expansion. What they want will be expensive, so charge a reasonable amount of money for it. | |
That sounds even more stupid than what we have. | |
Maybe, but at least it's something. Besides Indoc Theory, which clearly is NOT going to happen, does anyone else have a better suggestion? BioWare is clearly not going to bring back the whole cast of the damn game for a $3.99 (or even free) DLC so this seems like a cost-effective solution that also offers some sort of closure. | |
Just make Maurader Shields unbeatable and roll credits when Shepard dies. | |
I never actually finished the game, as Marauder Shields won our glourious dule. However, I do believe in the indoctranation theory, so I'm expecting a plot filled ending this summer. | |
If that was the ending fans got, the hate would be the same. It's a tiny (TINY) bit better, but how about the promised multiple endings. | |
Alternate ending: Odbarc's version:: Shepherd fails, Reapers win. The end. | |
Oh great, you've slightly altered one of the endings for a minority of players who are going through a retarded, counter-intuitive "Paragon only" playthrough, and picked the ironically coloured renegade "Destroy" ending. Thanks so much. I guess all those people who are renegades, or hybrids, or just people who picked one renegade option at some point in the game, or people who picked control or synthesis can just plain STFU, right? | |
I'm probably going to get REALLY unpopular for saying this,but the easiest way to fix the ending? Don't touch it you self-righteous entitled rube. I never played the game. I never saw the ending. Personally? I don't care if the ending is,quote-unquote crap. I care about the experience of the game. The ending is important in that,but the ending was made by the writers and I can guarantee it makes sense with the story,and therefore NEEDS NO CHANGING. When you buy product,you take the risk of not liking said product,in part or in whole. Suck it up,deal with it,and move on. BioWare only owes you product upon rendering payment. That's it,that's all. If you feel let down,then fine. Don't suggest or demand ways to alter it. It's a finished product. | |
Simplest way? | |
And that's why you should stop talking. | |
I agree, we just need to kill EVERYONE! ...wait, was that not the message? Sorry, I just kinda skimmed. But I'm pretty sure that's the only thing that would make this go away. | |
Bah, better idea: Paragon/Renegade interrupt that has Shepard telling the Alliance fleet to focus fire on the Citadel and the Crucible. All the pent-up energy in it causes it to explode, killing you but also killing the Star Child and causing the Reapers to become leaderless and disoriented. | |
It's why I should continue talking. The outsider's opinion is always neutral. And what I think,after weighing in on everything I've seen over this whole "Retake Mass Effect" crap? The people don't like the ending because it's not what they wanted/expected. So now they demand BioWare to retcon that? I don't know about you,but it sounds like a worse argument than "I'm God because I grow broccoli". Baseless. Worthless. Demeaning. I never saw the ending,but guess what? I don't need to see the so called "horrible ending" to know that the argument for this is just flawes and fueled solely by gamers thinking that they can demand whatever they want,and be fulfilled. Think about it. The uninformed,unproffessional consumer is demaning the very well informed and very much proffessional producer to change their work,solely on the basis that they don't like it. The magnitude of the outcry doesn't mean anything. The number of people dissatisfied doesn't factor into this. At it's core level,this ridiculous movement is just that: Ridiculous. If I were in charge of handling this situation,I would've told the people to suck it up and deal with what they got,however their discontent will be taken into consideration for the next product. | |
So what you're saying is you have no emotional investment in ? Yeah, I agree with the pony DJ. I intentionally withheld my opinion on this until I had finished all 3 Mass Effect games. I thought the whole thing was a little silly to be honest, but after playing through each game on a roughly 40 hour playthrough each, I was enraged. Outside educated opinion on something that doesn't affect you is NOT the same as an outside opinion on something you have no experience with. | |
And yet the thing is, said next product is going to fare far worse than it would've done if this product had just made sense. And lest you forget, we now live in a world where something like this CAN be fixed, CAN be delivered to the majority of consumers, optionally so as not to affect anyone already satisfied. If people had said nothing, if collectively the fans had shrugged their shoulders, the developer gets the idea that this sort of nonsensical half-arsed poorly-written excuse of an ending is alright. | |
Didn't read the spoiler,because I don't want to spoil myself. However,my argument isn't on the game. It's on the basis of the "Retake Mass Effect" movement. Which is utterly baseless. However,I have played and beaten the first two games,and I have emotional investment in a lot of the universe. I want a good ending. However,I also know that the galaxy is fucked,since the Reapers are already attacking Earth and quite possibly Tuchanka and Palaven,considering those planets are home to the galaxy's racial badasses. So I know a happy ending will be very hard to get. But that's not the point. My neutrality is on Mass Effect 3,and the Retake Mass Effect movement. You are the CUSTOMER. Your say in a finished product ENDS after funds exchange hands. There are probably a million and one reasons as to why people don't like the endings to the game. And personally,I don't want to know them because they're not worth knowing,because knowing your reasoning will not change the fact that you are attempting to browbeat a continuity change from the producers of product after you have purchased said product. You have no power in the consumer-producer relationship after you pay. The movement is in the wrong. The people of the movement have paid and played. Therefore,they have forfieted their power in the relationship in order to consume the product. After that,your say is done;once money exchanges hands,you imply that you will accept the product,flaws included. Let me propose an alternative method of voicing your displeasure over Mass Effect 3's endings. You calmly and politely inform BioWare that you were dissatisfied with the endings of Mass Effect 3,and desire to see them put more effort into the endings of future products. Same message,but far more reasonable. | |
Well we do. 40 hours is a long time to pump into a game only to be spoon fed a big fuck you at the end! As a fan of the series, and having played all 3 games, i am in a much better position to give an informed opinion. ' I haven't played it but its a good game' is what you're saying in a nutshell? Please, post no more dribble and save yourself further flaming and embarrassment. | |
In addition to Loop Stricken's last point, you should be aware that the ME3 ending directly contradicts countless official statements and promises put forth by Bioware regarding the ending's nature and content. Honestly, if you refuse to believe the ending's content should be considered, you're arguing a self-fulfilling fallacious argument. Come back after playing the ME trilogy and then I'll taking your opinion on more solid ground. | |
What I'm saying is that I haven't played the game,but I know that the Retake Mass Effect Movement is baseless and flawed. The movement is almost solely fueled by vitrol and self-centred entitlement. The players didn't like the ending,and are demanding that the writers rewrite continuity of a universe built solidly upon it's lore and story. That kind of change cannot happen without changing something else,which will change something else,and snowball from there. You are the consumer. Your power is forfiet once you pay the producer for product. After that,you have no legitimate say in the final product. Yes,you are allowed to be unhappy and dissatisfied. No,you're not allowed to demand that they take it back,because it's like paying to watch a Micheal Bay flick and demanding your money back because the film featured more explosions than actual characters and characterization. Retake Mass Effect is,simply put,built the wrong way,and thus wrong as a whole. If people instead tried to be rational,the public response would've been more sympathetic,and BioWare would've probably made a better response to the movement,or their next product would've addressed the points of dissatisfaction. | |
Ok ok ok, you have have HAVE to take this on faith from me. The above quote alone proves your opinion will be VASTLY different after playing ME3, and you will understand why as well. If it doesn't make you angry about the ending, it will at least make you tolerant of people who are. | |
But the ending itself IS NOT built solidly upon its lore and story. it is an out-of-nowhere Do-what-I-say-no-asking-questions choice to decide what colour you want the bland ending cinematic to play out with. Which part of Mass Effect has been about NOT asking questions? About NOT exploring possibilities? About doing exactly as you're told? I'm not even exaggerating - it's that bland and uninspired and ineffective. The continuity of the ending itself is... well how did my squad get from London to the Normandy? Why are they running away? Crucially, what happens after?! The spanking the ending gave my poor arse would be soothed somewhat by telling me just what the Hell happened after Shepard tasted the rainbow. But no, we get nothing but a "thanks for playing, buy our DLC" screen. For my part, everything up until the glowing elevator was fantastic. Bioware could've ended it there, had the Catalyst machine send out a pulse to nuke the Reapers or something, Shepard dies of blood loss, tragedy but galaxy saved. Here's how your surviving friends ended up. Great ending, tears are shed, game reloaded for another run. And even THAT would be against Bioware's original statements that there would be multiple endings taking into account a trilogy's worth of choices. | |
Few things. #1, don't call someone a "self-righteous entitled rube" right out of the gate, especially when from their initial post, they're making a suggestion, not a demand - if you're obnoxiously rude, and wrong about it, right out of the gate, you're not going to get far. #2, you're just making things worse for yourself by making more disingenuous assertions. No one here is "demanding" anything. We're reasonable people, we understand that it's unlikely BioWare's going to do much, and we understand that they don't have to. What we are saying is that, while they don't HAVE to change it, they SHOULD. Which brings us to: #3, return of the disingenuous assertions.
But it DOESN'T. That's why people are in such a kerfuffle - yes, people die, boo-hoo, that happens in stories - but the bigger problem is that the ending, logically, does not make sense. It certainly doesn't make sense within the context of the game as a whole, which you claim to value - the sheer tonal whiplash alone stuns you for a while before you realize that what's going on actually doesn't make any damned sense. And that's what people have a problem with. It could obviously be better. We don't see any reason why it shouldn't be. We're pointing that out. And then people start yelling about artistic integrity and caveat emptor - we're just saying that it could have been a lot better. #4: While the outsider's opinion can be valuable at times, it is not the be-all and end-all, particularly if it is an outsider who doesn't have all the facts/is making incorrect assumptions. There's the well-informed outsider, the neutral party, and then there's the uninformed outsider, the ignorant party. Also, forgive me for saying so, but the amount of bile and bias you're putting out makes it pretty clear that you aren't neutral in this discussion. I think that covers it, let me know if I missed anything. | |
My argument is not based on the game. It is based on the motivations,precieved or otherwise,of the people who back Retake Mass Effect. I oppose the movement because,after evaluating the points presented by all sides without spoiling myself,I have concluded that the Retake Movement is wrong due to the fact that,as CONSUMERS that have PAID FOR THE PRODUCT,they have FORFIETED THEIR POWER IN THE CONSUMER-PRODUCER RELATIONSHIP,and ergo have no right to make such forceful demands on the producers. I may or may not like the ending. However,I will not become sympathetic. Because to become sympathetic would violate my core philosophies involved in consumerism,which are laid out plain as day in my previous posts. | |
Guys he is trolling. OT: yes, it would have been better than what we got. But it still doesn't REALLY fix anything. Though if the point you're making is that, hey, Bioware, it'd seriously take you a day to make the ending better thats how crap it was to begin with, than I fully agree with you. | |
Maybe it should be, since we're talking about the game. If customers said nothing and accepted poor quality, the developer would think it is okay. | |
But you DON'T think Bioware has violated the sanctity of the consumer-producer agreement by selling us a product under false pretenses? That is, an ending that doesn't deliver on ANY of their countless promises, and even directly contradicts some, and betrays the artistic merit of the first two games and 95% of the third. Of course, you would not know this, as you refused to restrain yourself from weighing in until you saw the ending yourself. | |
Yes, the issue here seems to be "When I finish reading this book it punches me in the face, and yet the book's author promises it would instead release a fresh pine scent, and even specifically said there would be no face-punching of any kind." Riddle would argue that by buying the book we have to accept this questionable feature. No demand of a recall or anything. The difference being, where a face-punching book would need a recall, all we need from a software developer is a downloadable piece of content. *edit: FML double post. | |
Why do so many people want Shepard to die? I want my Shepard to live and have a happy life with Liara. I think they can fix the game by not bringing ANY of the actors back. Just give us additional scenes with music and sound effects--no talking. It was done in Mass Effect 2's ending when Shepard was running back to the ship. Granted, Harrbinger was talking, but it proved that you could still have a good, dramatic scene without any of the crew talking. Paragon ending shows everyone fighting together, beating the Reapers back, and Shepard still alive, with optional romance interest. They gave players pretty much whatever ending they wanted in the other two games, so why couldn't they give players endings in this game? If you want your Shepard and crew to die, then I'm sure they could have come up with an ending for that. If you, like me, wanted her to live, they could have come up with an ending for that. | |
A.) by your logic in all consumer situations videogames included it is wrong to have consumer protection rights...........ok so let people ignorant of their money and essentially be slaves to big business. Also I don't know how they do it in whatever magical place you apparently come from but that is not how a commercial exchange works. It's not just you've paid GTFO; faulty products are made and no company is perfect that's why there are steps made through product assurance, Quality control, tech support, recalls, and returns which extend the Consumer relationship. B.) And just for reference having no knowledge on a subject and making assumptions based on ignorance is a logical fallacy within itself. Now researching said subject and then basing your opinion on that knowledge is fine. Then if you understand the content and still dislike it then wonderful you now have a structured opinion. But just don't expect to be taken seriously by just assuming without the facts. C.) if the dislike is just based upon the movement itself then just simply ignore it and stay out of forums like this. It's not hard to do. D.) also welcome back Zeel | |
Never have Shepard go up on the glowing elevator platform and meet the god-child. I would've had the game end with Shepard and Anderson, and in the last moments of their lives the mentor tells the student, as possibly the only father figure Shepard's known, that he's proud and the two look off at the view of earth and the crucible fires; the Reaper's can be seen all across the system getting destroyed one by one as Shepard knows now once and for all that Earth and the galaxy has been saved. I wouldn't care if Shepard died or not, but I do know that the final moment between Him/Her and Anderson is the most powerful moment in the game for me and I really think it's what it should've ended on. | |
From what I can ascertain, it's not that the ending is actually bad, just horribly lacking in context and consequence... Would that about sum it up? So if the ending actually made sense that should reduce the level of rage people have... Right? | |
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First, spoilers, obviously. You should expect that here anyway.
So...I've thought about this a while. I've decided that maybe the issue here is that BioWare is having trouble trying to come up with an ending they can make on a budget of $0 that will make us happy. Maybe not, but if so, I have a simple, easy solution. It doesn't fix all the plot holes, but it DOES give us an option which allows us to actually save the galaxy. Yanno, relays intact. The trade-off, of course, is that doing so means killing everyone on the Normandy (which seems like a small price to pay if it works.)
So, Shepard chooses the destroy ending. Then, he has a paragon interrupt that requires a nearly-perfect paragon score to use. If the check succeeds, he radios Joker and tells him to fly the Normandy directly into the beam - absorbing enough of the energy that the Sol Relay is damaged, but not destroyed, and with repairs will become functional again. Doing this, of course, kills the Normandy, Joker, and everyone else on board, but it's not like Shepard has never ordered Alliance solders to their death for the cause.
Best part? This requires 0 new cutscenes and less than 10 lines of dialog from only 3 actors (2 sheps and Joker). That's it. They can repurpose the same graphic of the Normandy being destroyed/damaged/chased by the beam (with some minor edits, maybe) and that's it. This could be done in a single day at BioWare.
That, and frankly, this is the ending I would've chosen even IF there was a fairy tale alternative. I don't expect everyone to live. I expect my beloved friends will have to die to save the galaxy. But simply stranding all of the known universe in a system with 1 half-ruined habitable planet is NOT saving anything. With the relays in tact, everything can be rebuilt in time. Personally, I would PREFER to choose to kill Shep and crew in order to achieve this. It just seems like a fair price to pay for a real victory.