At what point is a Franchise Whoring Out?

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You all know of the God of War series right?

It had 3 main games, 2 psp games, and the whole thing ended with the hero killing everything thats there to be killed. But then this happened...

Another prequel? On the main console? This my friends is what I like to call milking it.

The story ending fairly conclusively and now it feels like these guys dont want to bother with something new because GOW is their cash cow.

So, is this a genuinely good idea or just beating a dead horse?

And for an added question, does this happen to other games you love?

If it's a good game does it really matter if it's unnecessary? To me it's whoring out once the quality goes downhill, I haven't heard anything suggesting that this won't be up to par with the rest of the series. So long as they put their effort into bringing me more hacky slashy fun times I'm more than happy to give them my money.

I don't know, beating a dead horse that explodes into plies of money sounds like a good idea to me. Anyway I feel like the sonic games are in much the same place but perhaps for a different, non-story reason. Sort of like this..

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I'd say around Resident Evil 3 *drum rimshot* :P

But for a more serious answer: I'd say it's when they make the decision "We want to put out a new installment every frickin' year!"

At that point they've done gone and jumped the shark.

Rumpsteak:
I don't know, beating a dead horse that explodes into plies of money sounds like a good idea to me. Anyway I feel like the sonic games are in much the same place but perhaps for a different, non-story reason. Sort of like this..

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Is that what you wanted to do?

I think the Sonic franchise is in the same boat is Mario. Just fun games that arnt trying to tell you one grand story as much as give you fun gameplay every time.

'Whoring out' in my book is when a developer/publisher gives in to cash bribes and makes one version of the same multiplatform game superior on one console (through exclusive DLC, extra features, better porting, etc.) and yet still charges the same price for the inferior version on the other console.

That disgusts me.

well i said they are "whoring" out by the time the series story original story end and they force out another game. Especially if they had some huge wave behind it, about being the last fight and finnishing the story. and it more it feels like it is "whoring" out when the original creators was cut off the bungie and replaced by some other studio to continue milking it out.

Kinda like they are doing now days with silent hill.

about another god of war precule. Well, they better come out with some original reason of why he has to prove his worth once again and come for someone else he had to kill before getting to the events of god of war 1.

Shadowstar38:
I think the Sonic franchise is in the same boat is Mario. Just fun games that arnt trying to tell you one grand story as much as give you fun gameplay every time.

I don't know. I find actual platforming to be a lot more fun than playing "Extreme Train Ride: Boost Complex 3".

When people keep cranking out new titles, while failing to realize what made the series any good in the first place... that's when it goes bad.

I'd say Sonic (obviously), Call of Duty, Star Wars, 007... Even Halo has started completely losing it's sights on why it was so great. Many of us will say that Combat Evolved was incredible. Reach, however, felt to me like a constant game of Red Light; Green Light with weird wandering sections in-between.

As soon as it tacks "Revelation" onto its name.

I kid, I kid. Kinda...

I don't really care how often a franchise churns out a game so long as it's fun.

Whenever it starts working the cornet on 5th Avenue and wearing Red-Lipstick around everywhere

When a game has nothing to add to it or sequels have become record defying.

Or you make this:

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erttheking:
I don't really care how often a franchise churns out a game so long as it's fun.

Basically this.

I would much rather play Call of Duty 45: Future Warfare in Spaaaaace! then play an original IP that sucks.

So for my definition, a franchise is whoring out when it stops being fun.

4th installment. Usually.

A game starts whoring out when it tries to sell itself as a good product by using the brand name to build up hype, but the actual product is not well made

I would think when the series gets the point where you literally can't move forward and instead of coming up with something new, you move back in time.

Actually, it's more like whenever you stop liking something is when it's being whored out, which means it's different for everyone.

Game 1: "Oh man that was awesome, I want more"
Game 2: "Even better! Keep 'em coming."
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Game n-1: "Still great, moar plz"
Game n: "Eh, they're really starting to milk this series"
- Everybody

Games don't usually end after the story is over. Because it's not really that easy to come up with a system and a context for beating the shit out of things. Else we wouldn't be seeing Mario or Zelda games anymore. Gameplay is what matters most. And since they have a working fun formula, they're going to use the rapidly-advancing technologies to make it even more fun. That approach has been taken since forever in gaming and it's working for us, gamers.

is this a seaqual?

what the hell does Kratos have left to kill?

Vault101:
is this a seaqual?

what the hell does Kratos have left to kill?

Well, there's Norse and Hindu gods. That should keep him occupied for a couple of games.

Vault101:
is this a seaqual?

what the hell does Kratos have left to kill?

Well, he's obviously going to go after the Egyptian and Norse gods. I mean, he's pretty much killed all the major gods in Greek/Roman mythology.

Actually, that'd be pretty awesome to see. :D

Irridium:

Vault101:
is this a seaqual?

what the hell does Kratos have left to kill?

Well, there's Norse and Hindu gods. That should keep him occupied for a couple of games.

Both of us quoted the same person in a span of seconds....

This just got awkward

PsychicTaco115:

Well, he's obviously going to go after the Egyptian and Norse gods. I mean, he's pretty much killed all the major gods in Greek/Roman mythology.

Actually, that'd be pretty awesome to see. :D

Irridium:

Well, there's Norse and Hindu gods. That should keep him occupied for a couple of games.

ok seriously, this shits just getting rediculous

theres no way they can spin this to actually be taken seriously, and then what? I supose kratos goes up against the fabric of time and space itself

..

PsychicTaco115:

Vault101:
is this a seaqual?

what the hell does Kratos have left to kill?

Well, he's obviously going to go after the Roman and Norse gods. I mean, he's pretty much killed all the major gods in Greek/Roman mythology.

Actually, that'd be pretty awesome to see. :D

You say that, but I'd root for Odin or Thor over Kratos any day of the week.

Hell even Tyr would get the nod every day but Sunday.

1080bitgamer:
A game starts whoring out when it tries to sell itself as a good product by using the brand name to build up hype, but the actual product is not well made

This is the answer I agree with the most. The Final Fantasy games are so guilty of this their Priest is being compelled to testify against them.

Vault101:

PsychicTaco115:

Well, he's obviously going to go after the Egyptian and Norse gods. I mean, he's pretty much killed all the major gods in Greek/Roman mythology.

Actually, that'd be pretty awesome to see. :D

Irridium:

Well, there's Norse and Hindu gods. That should keep him occupied for a couple of games.

ok seriously, this shits just getting rediculous

theres no way they can spin this to actually be taken seriously, and then what? I supose kratos goes up against the fabric of time and space itself

And why not? Anger is a powerful emotion! If it can destroy the every individual atom in the cosmos, I say have at thee then, universe!

MDSnowman:
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PsychicTaco115:

Vault101:
is this a seaqual?

what the hell does Kratos have left to kill?

Well, he's obviously going to go after the Roman and Norse gods. I mean, he's pretty much killed all the major gods in Greek/Roman mythology.

Actually, that'd be pretty awesome to see. :D

You say that, but I'd root for Odin or Thor over Kratos any day of the week.

Hell even Tyr would get the nod every day but Sunday.

Why not have EVERY god in Norse mythology, you know, attack Kratos all at once? He's only one man, it'd be easy to do!

Vault101:

PsychicTaco115:

Well, he's obviously going to go after the Egyptian and Norse gods. I mean, he's pretty much killed all the major gods in Greek/Roman mythology.

Actually, that'd be pretty awesome to see. :D

Irridium:

Well, there's Norse and Hindu gods. That should keep him occupied for a couple of games.

ok seriously, this shits just getting rediculous

theres no way they can spin this to actually be taken seriously, and then what? I supose kratos goes up against the fabric of time and space itself

Well this new one is a prequel. So he won't be killing all the gods from other religions. Yet, at least.

PsychicTaco115:

And why not? Anger is a powerful emotion! If it can destroy the every individual atom in the cosmos, I say have at thee then, universe!

I'd buy that game.

Irridium:

PsychicTaco115:

And why not? Anger is a powerful emotion! If it can destroy the every individual atom in the cosmos, I say have at thee then, universe!

I'd buy that game.

"Ah, the King of the Cosmos! My old nemesis! There's no pandas to help you this time, though! And that kid of yours? Let's just say he's going to have one big ball full of all the heads I decapitated from various people! Now.... DIE!!!

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It's a good question. But I don't know if it has a clear answer.

I mean, when you ask fans of a band if the band members have become "sellouts." You are most often going to get a few different answers (I am now reminded of my friend's idea of starting a band called "Johnny and the Sell-Outs" to see the consumer reaction).

And while hopefully not going off topic, a franchise consisting entirely of Kratos killing other gods would constitute as a sellout to me, but that isn't to say it wouldn't be awesome.

You know, Kratos facing off against Norse Gods would be pretty damn interesting if I may say.

Seriously though, I don't think this is whoring out. It kinda depends really. A lot of times, it's when a main game comes out every year. Which means I don't count the PSP titles. Or it can be when they use just the brand name to advertise it, but turns out shitty. Like another poster before me said.

God of War is hardly a series being milked out, look at Assassins Creed, or Call of Duty and Halo.

Star Wars Kinect. Nuff said.

I think there's a difference between 'whoring and sucking' and 'milking and winning'.

Thus far I've yet to play a BAD God of War game...and I've played them all, except the HD Releases of the portable games for the PS3 (played them on PSP).

If, at some point, Sony releases a Bejeweled: GOD OF WAR Edition or GOD OF WAR: The Mini-Games...and they're not brutal/jesting in the own absurdity...I'd say the milk has been whore'd.
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Now, Final Fantasy - more specifically FF7 - has been whoring more than Paris Hilton at a boy-band reunion.
Not only are many a FF spin-off mediocre, some are down right BAD.

NeoShinGundam:
Star Wars Kinect. Nuff said.

Man, The entire Star Wars franchise has been whoring itself out so long that we just come to expect it.

A franchise is whoring out when they become repetitive and lack innovation.

"Call of Duty 4 made us loadz of money.. LET'S MAKE ANOTHER CALL OF DUTY 4!!"
"New killstreaks, weapons and maps!"
"...Sounds like DLC content to me..."
"SCREW IT; IT'S GOOD ENOUGH!"

A franchise whores itself out when: they force more games after the story is finished (like what EA is going to do with Mass Effect) or when the games cease to become innovative. This new God of War may be a good game, but I've it takes place before Kratos becomes the Ghost of Sparta. Do we seriously need to be told every single part of the story? Whatever the case, I hope it's a good game.

Shadowstar38:
You all know of the God of War series right?

It had 3 main games, 2 psp games, and the whole thing ended with the hero killing everything thats there to be killed. But then this happened...

Another prequel? On the main console? This my friends is what I like to call milking it.

The story ending fairly conclusively and now it feels like these guys dont want to bother with something new because GOW is their cash cow.

So, is this a genuinely good idea or just beating a dead horse?

And for an added question, does this happen to other games you love?

Overmilking? Yes.

Whoring out? No.

ME3 multiplayer was being whored out. Buy concept art books, and clothing to get multiplayer DLC is whoring out. Things connected to the console (Console armor case, mobile phone covers, etc.) while sad, is an understandable marketing strategy.

I was expecting another GOW game, and while I am sad it involves Kratos, I might get it. The other games worked great, but still...

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