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Nah the Empire wants to kick the Thalmor out, they're just biding time and building up forces and some compromise has to be made so the Thalmor don't own them, and outlawing the worship of Talos is that compromise. The Stormcloaks are just stupid, fighting against the Empire their god created? That's ridiculous like if Christians just decided to nuke the entire planet if Christianity got banned. | |
If the crazy ones got hold of nukes... They totally would. OT: I agree, but I ended up preferring the Empire. Their members were, on average, less asshole-ish, and they too hate the Thalmor. Basically, what @endtherapture said, biding time and building up forces, etc etc. | |
I'm not sure how the Imperials are "conquering" anything; Skyrim has been a vital part of the Empire for many, many years, even before the Jagar Tharn incident, which, if I remember correctly, happened in the second Era. To me, the Empire is the faction to side with. The war is simply Ulfric's wish to gain power, and the Thalmor are using him to weaken the empire. He may be entitled to a place on the throne, insofar as he did beat High King Torygg in single combat, but the timing means that the Empire, already weakened by a drawn-out war with the Thalmor, have to a)send troops to deal with his racist nationalism bullshit and b)risk losing the province from which most of their best soldiers hailed from. It's pretty obvious that the only reason the White Gold Concordat includes a ban on Talos Worship is to stir up trouble in Skyrim, made even more obvious by the dossier on Ulfric that the Thalmor have, where they imply that he has been leaking information to them, and that he was allowed to escape mainly because the Thalmor saw him as an asset to weakening the Empire. Tullius may be a foreigner, and he may be pretty apathetic towards the customs of Skyrim, but he has no wish to kill any more Nords than necessary. The Empire needs Skyrim, and Skyrim needs the Empire; Ulfric never shows himself worthy or indeed very able to lead, made evident by how run down his hold is. If he managed to secede from the Empire, it is most likely that the few remaining soldiers he has will be overrun by the ruthless and tactically smart Thalmor. TL;DR: Ulfric sucks, go Empire. | |
All fair points, but at the same time...I find the Empire's judgement questionable from the start. "Oh...it looks like this prisoner isn't on the list." "Kill him anyways." "Alright, time to die for no reason." That dragon SAVED your ass. Should you not worship Dragon kind then? I do agree that the Empire seems less-asshole ish but they're both in the wrong in my eyes. With the Empire, it's as if just because they're fighting the good fight, they can piss on anyone they want. | |
Well, you seemed to miss a few points. For starters, you were some poor sod who happened to be near Ulfric Stormcloak's group when they attacked, so even if you weren't on the list, they were right to assume you had something to do with him. And that dragon didn't save your ass, he tried to kill everyone in Helgen, you just used the chaos to run the fuck away. So, captcha, what do you think the dragon would turn us into if he got the chance? Capthca: slimy goop. Good answer. | |
Well, the trying to execute thing is kind of a dick move. But, you were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Also, for all this ban Talos worship, it is not enforced at all by the Empire. Whiterun has some crazy dude in front of Talos' shrine. Markarth has a Talos shrine. It's just something on paper, Ulfric just wanted an excuse to murder the high king. | |
Again, true...But how do we not know that dragons killing you is their way of showing affection? All serious though, the Empire does seem less jerkish...The Stormcloaks are blinded by their pride and patriotism in the simplest of terms. | |
Besides, that's ONE slightly psychopathic Redguard woman (if I'm not mistaken) who's part of the imperial army, not "the Empire" that orders your execution. I don't know if you've played Morrowind, but the dunmer (90% of the inhabitants) didn't miss one opportunity to bully, insult, mug and try to kill you. And those were the people you were supposed to save. So + points for the empire there. I'll have to agree with Jarl; despite the "rooting for the underdog"-effect the Stormcloaks create at the beginning, I soon got fed up with Ulfric. I'm not quite sure it's deliberate but he always sounds like a spoiled lazy undecisive cunt to me: "Kill those guys", "destroy that city", "bring me my crown", "chew my steak for me, will'ya?"... I actually just stopped doing the quest around the time I picked up the jagged crown and realised that it would look much better on me than Ulfric... (that would be epic! A questline that enabled the player to become the new leader of Skyrim!) | |
Both sides aren't really good and evil, but both feel like they're good. On one hand, you have the Stormcloaks who want to protect and preserve Nord traditions and beliefs. On the other hand, you have the Imperials who feel a united land is the best way to deal with the Thalmor in the long run. Both sides see themselves as the good side. Skyrim wants to show you that perspective greatly influences one's outlook on life. | |
I knew who I would side with after I did the DB questline, Titus Mede II was such a badass, and wasn't the "I'm gonna surrender everyone to the thalmor for the lulz" person The stormcloaks try to make him out to be. | |
There's no doubt that there are assholes within the Imperial Legion, but one bloodthirsty Captain does not mean you have to condemn the entire faction. Suffice to say that Galmar, Ulfric's right hand, is possibly the most brutal and bloodthirsty person in the entire game. No, you shouldn't worship dragons; Alduin came to Helgen because he sensed the Player, and he sacked it in the hopes of killing you. I don't think he knew that the player was a Dovahkiin, but he could certainly sense some kind of power. That's my interpretation, at least. I'm not sure why you think that the Imperial Legion piss on people. It's a fact that they're at war, fighting in a foreign land, and the Stormcloaks are not above Guerilla warfare and hiding among the common populace, so it's only prudent of the Legion to suspect anyone not directly affiliated with them (and probably a fair good amount who are). However, if you consider the places either faction controls: The Legion has Solitude, which is probably the best kept city next to Whiterun. The Jarls of both Whiterun and Morthal are both supportive of the Empire (although they try to remain neutral, for fear of angering their peoples). All of these cities are the best kept and contain the happiest individuals, and have the least corruption. Sure, there are problems in all of the cities, but war does that. On the other hand you have Windhelm, which is home to the only ghetto in the game as well as the most openly racist and unpleasant people, you have Riften which is thoroughly seeped in corruption and run behind the scenes by Maven Black-briar The Empire seeks stability in the province, and while I'll agree that some of them seem incredibly assholey, you still have someone like Legate Rikke. The truth is, I think, that the empire really don't care for messing with Nord culture. The whole war in Skyrim was basically started because they were forced to sign the White-Gold Concordat, which, as I mentioned, was tailor-made to cause dissent among the more nationalistic elements in Skrim. If Ulfric had any proper love for the Nord people, he would see that his rebellion is causing more harm than good, and that he could easily use any assistance to the empire against the thalmor as leverage for better conditions for his people when the war was won. As it is, Ulfric seems much more concerned with his own ego, status and power. As Tullius says during the Legion questline: "He has already proven his own strength. Now he seeks to prove that of his army." Another interesting tidbid comes in the quest That's all purely conjecture, though. | |
Because Dragons aren't giant space robots ruled by a holographic child. :P As for the subject at hand...yeah, with the opening of the game I thought "Well fuck yeah I'm gonna hook up with this Stormcloak guy! Fuck the Empire! The Stormcloaks is a badass faction name anyway!" Then you actually meet the guy and it's like "Holy shit...this guy's a power hungry asshole who'd probably slap his own mother in the mouth!" So yeah, I didn't like Ulfric's attitude and as such have never sided with the Stormcloaks. | |
If I was role playing as myself, I would probably side with the empire. Ulfric is a racist tool. But after doing the DB questline, the choice was clear. | |
Isn't the Empire just trying to get on with their jobs while the Stormcloaks trying to cause havok? After the White-Gold treaty thing (concor-something or other), the Empire seemed pretty politically stable. Talos just doesn't seem to be worth dying over. | |
They're fucking dragons. Sorry, felt the need to put that. Also, isn't there an option to broker a truce through the Greybeards? | |
Ummm...yeah...they are dragons...which is what I said wasn't it? In reference to the statement "But how do we not know that dragons killing you is their way of showing affection?" (which I translated to mean "But how do we know that dragons killing you isn't their way of showing affection?"), I made a joke comparing dragons to Reapers which apparently kill everything in the galaxy because they love us so much and want to preserve organic life. Soooooooooo what exactly was the point of your comment? Perhaps you missed the word "aren't" in my original comment, so I bolded it for you. Edit: As for your question, that truce only works if you haven't done the Civil War before you do the main questline. It becomes determined that to stop the greater threat that is the dragons, the civil war should be put on hold. It's not a truce, more of a cease-fire. Once you complete the main quest, the civil war is back on. | |
I personally went and joined the empire as a Breton becasue their views and pilicies seemed to be more liberal, which is the kind of guy I am. As oppose to the Stormcloaks which strike me as right-wing nationalists. | |
Actually The thalmor are not as "evil" as they seem. You see the spirit Lorkhan tricked many other spirits into creating Mundus, the mortal realm, causing countless to die and those who remained to be stripped of most their power. The Altmer seek to remove Talos, because Talos is Lorkhan reborn, and free themselves so they can regain thier original forms that were taken from them through deciet. The hatred of man comes from the fact that Mankind are Lorkhans children, as long as they live so will Lorkhan, and as long as he lives they will be trapped by mortality. they are still massive dicks, but they are technically just trying to take back what was stolen from them. | |
Hmm dont be so sure of that anything can happen when a elder scroll decides to look up.
The Empire narks to the Thalmore and they "enforce" this part of the treaty. Have you even been to a Talos shrine outside the walls of a city? | |
xD Finally we have an explanation for the ending of ME 3! Why are there so many inconsistencies? Why are the Reapers doing this? Just who the fuck is Little Space Timmy?! The answer: Elder Scroll. | |
Na The real answer is vivec | |
Yeah but none of us know this so we just see them as Nazis. And Hitler was just "trying to take back what was stolen from him" in the Treaty of Versailles etc. so yes the Nazi comparison works. | |
So the Thalmor should all become Dagon worshipers and kill themselves. Make everyone a whole lot happier, including themselves as they'll finally be released from the world of mortals. :P | |
Hah! I dont have to worry about racist assholes or elitest assholes any more. | |
I guess you are the dragon born, so is the dragon you dad or your mom?
So if men were created by Lorkhan and elves are (or at least believe they are) descended from Aedra, what about Khajit, Argonians and other similar races. | |
As I see it in Skyrim you have the stupid side and the Empire. Ulfric sounded charismatic and I'm sure that is what got him more support but if anyone was to step back and look at their plan they would see just how idiotic it was. The Stormcloaks want to fight the Empire to worship Talos which the Thalmor(who defeated the much larger Imperial army) won't want and therefor would attack the weakened not as well equipped and trained Stormcloaks thereby taking over Skyrim. | |
Argonains are creations of the Hist, a race of sentient trees form the past universe that survived Alduin's last eating Khajiit are creations of Azura, made to hold up the lunar lattice. All the other races are decedents of various spirits who didn't die fully, like those that became the earth bones, yet didn't give large parts of themsevles and became the aedra. | |
I sided with the Stormcloaks because I think the Thalmor can be defeated. Hammerfell drove them out, and the Empire gave them a harsh defeat just before they surrendered, so I don't see why Skyrim would be any different. Also, if you want to side against Ralof, you're a bad person and you make me cry. | |
This is the main reason I left it until I'd done everything else. If there was the option, like the Yes Man option in New Vegas, I would just back myself to take over everything. | |
This is "All nazi's were evil" all over again. | |
I sided with the storm cloaks, I really never got that racist vibe from them that everyone else seems to get. It honestly feels like either I'm missing something big, or there's just a lot of backlash caused by Bethesda's perceived favouritism of the storm cloaks. I also really like the "Give me freedom or give me death" thing they have going on, I think it's pretty sweet. | |
On a more impressive note did you know that you can block with a torch? Then hit then enemy with the torch, which consequently sets them alight? :D | |
I dislike both, but since I'm a Stormtrooper at heart I sided with Empire. I still kill them all though. | |
I always thought that the Stormcloaks were incredibly short sighted. What do the Stormcloaks expect will happen once they defeat the Imperials and drive them out of Skyrim? That the Thalmor are just going to let it slide and leave them alone? They're going to sweep right in and wipe everyone out and claim Skyrim for their own. | |
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I'm sorry if this has been mentioned before, but it dawned on me today. Imperial and Stormcloak are both bad guys. Honestly, one wants to rid the world of cultural diversity and the other just wants to ignore it and bully it. I mean the Stormcloaks are racist assholes and the Imperial are conquering asshole...It's just a choice of the lesser of two evils.
I mean, in comparison the THIEVES GUILD is like the Church of Saints. Granted, I knew this information for a while...but it just dawned on me how either stupid or brilliant this is. Stupid because there's no real "good" faction for your character, but at the same time maybe there isn't suppose to be? Maybe the world is just cruel? Skyrim is just showing you that life sucks and you gotta deal with it.
Then again my life doesn't have dragons to slay...