Should we support black ops 2?

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I don't think I will I promised myself I was done with the franchise after Black Ops unless it either does something radically new and cuts all the bullshit OP and imba stuff that has crept into the series since CoD 4.

Does it actually feature any covert Black Ops?

No?

Then no I wont buy.

I'm actually a little interested, too. Vietnam didn't do anything for me and urban Middle East had been getting old for years, but this look like it might be a little more of a change. The secondary single player thing sounds interesting too going for more sandbox style missions.

I think anyone interested in the game should buy the game and those who are not interested in the game shouldn't buy it. Not everything needs to be an en masse movement with global repurcussions, especially when you consider how likely it is that CoD will continue to do well regardless of how many groups band together and decide to not support it.

Nope. Unlike most anti-supporters on the subject i wont dirty any of my systems by letting a compatible disc anywhere within 10 meters of them.

Chairman Miaow:
Buy Blops2:

EA guys: "They love it when we release the same game every year, let's do it with all our franchises!"

Don't buy Blops2:

EA guys: "They hate it when we change things, let's keep making the same game every year!"

Yeah, either way, lose-lose. CoD will do fine though.

Erm, EA makes Battlefield and Medal of Honor, Activision rereleases Call of Duty.

gigastar:
Nope. Unlike most anti-supporters on the subject i wont dirty any of my systems by letting a compatible disc anywhere within 10 meters of them.

Chairman Miaow:
Buy Blops2:

EA guys: "They love it when we release the same game every year, let's do it with all our franchises!"

Don't buy Blops2:

EA guys: "They hate it when we change things, let's keep making the same game every year!"

Yeah, either way, lose-lose. CoD will do fine though.

Erm, EA makes Battlefield and Medal of Honor, Activision rereleases Call of Duty.

My bad, replace EA with Activision then. But EA is just as big an offender with EA sports.

How DARE anyone compare CoD to Halo? I mean, don't get me wrong: I don't hate Call of Duty. It's sort of fun, and the stories are sort of engaging. It's really not that bad, not as bad as the intelligent gamers like to pretend it is because the gameplay is all reflex-based without any real thought involved. That's true, but it's also true of fighting games like Mortal Kombat (and you don't see people disregarding THAT as nonsensical garbage).

But like Halo? Halo's gameplay is based heavily on the careful selection of certain weapons against certain enemies, nothing like Call of Duty, which consists of shooting the same enemy with the same gun OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

bigfatcarp93:
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People seem to pigeonhole FPS's all in the same hole for some reason. Once you have played one, you have played them all. But thats not true, there are many subgroups to the FPS just like with RPG's or racing games :P

I wouldnt compare them either, one focuses strictly on the on-foot actions (cod) While halo dabbles in vehicles as well. And customisation (games rather than classes). And building levels etc :P

Chairman Miaow:

gigastar:
Nope. Unlike most anti-supporters on the subject i wont dirty any of my systems by letting a compatible disc anywhere within 10 meters of them.

Chairman Miaow:
Buy Blops2:

EA guys: "They love it when we release the same game every year, let's do it with all our franchises!"

Don't buy Blops2:

EA guys: "They hate it when we change things, let's keep making the same game every year!"

Yeah, either way, lose-lose. CoD will do fine though.

Erm, EA makes Battlefield and Medal of Honor, Activision rereleases Call of Duty.

My bad, replace EA with Activision then. But EA is just as big an offender with EA sports.

Except no one expects innovation from a sports game. They expect it to play like it has before, with tweaks to team rosters and maybe a new feature or two in the menu. That's it.

It's a damn Activision thread and people like you still manage to find some way to trash EA in the process. What's next, EA is the cause of obesity in america? Seriously, you try way too hard to dog them. It actually devalues any legitimate criticism you have of their games.

distortedreality:
Lol, CoD won't fail.

Like every other year, people will whine, then promptly go out and buy it. Granted, BO2 looks like it's going to be doing a lot differently, but the fans won't change, and neither will the sales.

Indeed. I think that those who are interested in how the game looks should give it a try. That doesn't mean buy it on release day necessarily, but give it a chance. For those of us that aren't too interested, there will be other games that come out this year.
(GW2-YAY)

I love this collective 'we' in gaming. Most people don't give a shit about what happens to a series; they'll play it regardless.

Hardcore fans will do it out of sheer pigheaded determination and casual enthusiasts like myself will do it because a game's a game.

The impotent mewling of the middle area that dislike change (or occasionally the lack therein of) will mostly be silent upon release when they realise they've got nothing better to do with their lives and buy it anyway.

Gamers are tiredly predictable that way.

Woodsey:
It's been through several time periods already. It's gotten more and more restrictive as time has gone on. Why is this indicative of innovation?

Because they're actually changing how the foundation of the Single-player works by adding choice and consequence where there is none. Picking between various missions to go on and based on fail or win change things. Also multiple endings.

Barely any FPSs have this, hell I don't think any recent one's do.

I didn't care for (or buy) MW2 and MW3, but I enjoyed World at War and Black Ops 1, so I figure "why not?" on this one. It definitely has a BF2142 near futuristic combat sort of vibe and an interesting premise, and attempts a lot of things people (like you guys) have been bitching for the COD series to try (such as more open ended maps, future setting, etc). Haters are going to hate, but Treyarch has yet to let me down with one of their games so I'll see about picking it up in November.

Sixcess:
I'm not really up on my CoD history, but was there an outcry when they went from WWII to the modern era?

In any case I doubt it'll deviate far enough from the formula to damage its success.

I don't remember there being one. CoD was popular, but nowhere near the giant it became with the switch to modern warfare.

And as much as I agree with the comments that these people will still buy the game despite their whinging, even a fraction less sales than black ops could prompt a knee jerk reaction from activision and indeed, other publishers of less than honourable practices.

Reaper195:

Doclector:
"Treyarch ruined cod by making it halo!"

...people have been saying this? But...but no Treyarch game was even remotely similar to Halo aside from the general FPS gameplay. If anything, they made their CoD games more like CoD 4...

Yes, yes they have. I feel like I should make a farnsworth reference, maybe post that axe picture from american psycho, say something about letting loose the nukes and bringing it all to an end, but no, I have no words to describe how such people make me feel.

Doclector:
Unless you've had your internet cut for a few days, you'll know about the black ops 2 reveal. If not, here's the trailer, looks actually kind of promising.

Now, I've seen a fair few comments from COD fanboys that are slamming the game. "Treyarch ruined cod by making it halo!" "if I wanted to shoot sh**ty robots, I'd play terminator or tron" this sort of stuff. Now, that's put aside the point that people have been wanting change from COD for ages, and now it's being done, people are complaining, and try to, for a second, ignore the massive stupidity of such statements, and think about what this could mean for sales. If the fanboys are serious, black ops 2 could flop, proving in the eyes of developers that people don't want change. I don't think I need say why this would be incredibly bad. A smaller title failing because it dared to change things up a bit is bad, but if such a thing happens to COD, it would suggest that even the biggest franchises with the most fans can fail if they opt for change.

This brings me to an interesting point, because now, I'm thinking of buying it. As much as it looks interesting though, there's one major reason I'd do it, so that these morons don't mess things up BAD by abandoning cod in droves because it changed.

Over £40's a lot these days just to try and make a little change, but I'm seriously considering it, the consequences for the industry could be horrifying.

So, what do you think? Should us COD skeptics and burned COD4 fans rise up and support COD for doing what many of us have asked for? Or is it a massive waste? Could it even be just what activision wants?

I have no idea what your getting at and I don't want to treed on anybodies feet here, but Treyarch don't need your support! And especially Activision don't need your support.
It doesn't matter either way cause the game is gonna come out, I'll pay $70 NZ, say its shit and no one will care.(And when I mean 'I', I mean everyone who has a 360, PS3 or PC.) Just like how the devs and producers don't care about whether they have your back.

Why are they complaining? I doubt any of then even touch the single player campaign. The multiplayer won't change, they already have all this remote control shit in it anyway. This isn't CHANGE this isn't INNOVATION. Setting a game 10 years in the shiny future doesn't make the game good, or bad for that matter.

All this video has shown is that you will be able to remotely control some shiny mechs. MOTHERFUCKER YOU ALREADY DO THAT! WHAT DIFFERENCE IS IT TO YOU IF THE REMOTE CONTROL THING YOU ARE CONTROLLING HAS A PRETEND PERSON IN IT OR NOT? You know what? If this fails (and it won't) but it by some fucking miracle this fails, it will show, not that the community rejects change or innovation but that we fucking WANT change and innovation.

Also for all those morons saying "but but it looks like halo I hate halo" go look at all the shit they've said they're going to add in for Halo 4, you'll see the line between COD and Halo is getting so fucking blurry it's not funny.

bigfatcarp93:

But like Halo? Halo's gameplay is based heavily on the careful selection of certain weapons against certain enemies, nothing like Call of Duty, which consists of shooting the same enemy with the same gun OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

I don't think Halo has been like that for a while my friend. From what we've seen/heard of Halo 4 it certainly exhibits none of those features.

Yeah, it looks more like the Metal Gear universe than the Halo one.

I'm not interested in game because I do not play FPS in general, but I have to admit the universe is interesting.

That being said, if they are going to boycott this game, they should do it 100 percent. They should take a principled stand and not play the game period. They should not cave in and state that, "but I want to play with my friends" after a week or two.

malestrithe:
Yeah, it looks more like the Metal Gear universe than the Halo one.

I'm not interested in game because I do not play FPS in general, but I have to admit the universe is interesting.

That being said, if they are going to boycott this game, they should do it 100 percent. They should take a principled stand and not play the game period. They should not cave in and state that, "but I want to play with my friends" after a week or two.

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There's this awesome picture... There was a COD MW2 ban, and about 95% of all participants played the game the week it was out. People can stick to their word, it won't work. I don't plan on buying the game as it's not my genre and I'm planning to spend my money on other games.

I'm a bit more interested in this setting than the other CoD games to be honest.

Also, the developers have been saying things.

I will obviously wait and see, I am not willing to get my hopes up for this though.

If you like how it looks, you should buy it. If you do not, than you should not.

It's worrisome how people don't get this.

Not expecting much and I gave up on the series before it was cool but this one actually mildly intrigues me.

Probably gonna be the same old shit we've seen from the franchise in the last few years but I'm willing to keep an ear open on this one. (Soft spot for futuristic shooters, I suppose)

TheIronRuler:

malestrithe:
Yeah, it looks more like the Metal Gear universe than the Halo one.

I'm not interested in game because I do not play FPS in general, but I have to admit the universe is interesting.

That being said, if they are going to boycott this game, they should do it 100 percent. They should take a principled stand and not play the game period. They should not cave in and state that, "but I want to play with my friends" after a week or two.

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There's this awesome picture... There was a COD MW2 ban, and about 95% of all participants played the game the week it was out. People can stick to their word, it won't work. I don't plan on buying the game as it's not my genre and I'm planning to spend my money on other games.

How about you ignore every idiot who has to say something about the game that hasn't come out yet and wait it out?

Does it look interesting to you?

Yes? Go out and buy it.

No? Than go out and buy it so you can come back and complain about it.

I'm going to do something crazy and wait until I see how strong the single-player is. If it's longer than 20 hours of play (on the hardest setting) I'll probably buy it. If it isn't, I likely won't.

Do "we" need to support it? I think you're assuming I'm of a like mind with you, or even worse, are assuming that your opinion and mine can be represented on the same page in the same book in the same library.

Chairman Miaow:
Buy Blops2:

EA guys: "They love it when we release the same game every year, let's do it with all our franchises!"

Don't buy Blops2:

EA guys: "They hate it when we change things, let's keep making the same game every year!"

Yeah, either way, lose-lose. CoD will do fine though.

It's Activision, not EA. An understandable mistake, since EA does the same thing with every single one of their sports franchises as well as Battlefield.

Also...

The Floating Nose:
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You haven't actually been following CoD very much, have you? Here:
2005 - Call of Duty 2
2006 - Call of Duty 3
2007 - Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
2008 - Call of Duty: World at War
2009 - Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
2010 - Call of Duty: Black Ops
2011 - Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3
Probably 2012 - Call of Duty: Black Ops 2

Treyarch has no affiliation with the Modern Warfare name other than it being in the Call of Duty franchise (and I think a part in the Wii port of 3, but who cares about that).

OT: Eh. I've not bought a Call of Duty title ever, and I can't really see that this will be the first one, unless they really decide to shake up the formula.

Doclector:

Reaper195:

Doclector:
"Treyarch ruined cod by making it halo!"

...people have been saying this? But...but no Treyarch game was even remotely similar to Halo aside from the general FPS gameplay. If anything, they made their CoD games more like CoD 4...

Yes, yes they have. I feel like I should make a farnsworth reference, maybe post that axe picture from american psycho, say something about letting loose the nukes and bringing it all to an end, but no, I have no words to describe how such people make me feel.

One can only hope these are just people trolling, and not actually serious (Which would simply proove they've played one of the other. Or neither.). And in the end, it doesn't matter. I see retarded comments on youtube videos, get momentarily annoyed, then go about living real life.

Valagetti:

I'll pay $70 NZ,

Lol...wut? I think it's going to come out NZ (Assuming you mean New Zealand) at about a hundred and thirty. At least. That's how much the standard game was for console (110 for PC if I remember rightly) and MW3 came out 150 for everything. Either way....wooo! Another Kiwi!

Aeonknight:

Chairman Miaow:

gigastar:
Nope. Unlike most anti-supporters on the subject i wont dirty any of my systems by letting a compatible disc anywhere within 10 meters of them.

Erm, EA makes Battlefield and Medal of Honor, Activision rereleases Call of Duty.

My bad, replace EA with Activision then. But EA is just as big an offender with EA sports.

Except no one expects innovation from a sports game. They expect it to play like it has before, with tweaks to team rosters and maybe a new feature or two in the menu. That's it.

It's a damn Activision thread and people like you still manage to find some way to trash EA in the process. What's next, EA is the cause of obesity in america? Seriously, you try way too hard to dog them. It actually devalues any legitimate criticism you have of their games.

Wow, you must be really insightful to know so much about me when all you really know of me is that I accidentally confused them and Activision as the publisher for CoD, and then said I didn't like how they release the same sports game every year. Are you a wizard? And wow, obesity in America... yup, I'm definitely going to make that argument, all my points about them so far have been that ridiculous and far-fetched.

I support Black Ops 2 in the sense that I know it is the next installment in a popular franchise. I know people are going to buy it, and I both respect and support their right to do so. I also support it in the sense that I don't really have any complaints or wish it any sort of horrible crushing failure.

However, if you mean in any sort of financial sense...No. I'm not supporting it because I have no plans to buy it.

I think the concept of "supporting" a game is stupid.

Buy it if you want the game itself. Don't buy it if you don't.

When I shop for new games, I'm never thinking "Which developer practices should I encourage for the good of the medium?" I think "Which one is going to be the most fun, what game do I *gasp* WANT?"

If the answer to that question is "Rapid FPS in the style of Call of Duty" then go for it. When it comes to buying games, the only wrong answer is a game you yourself don't like. If you don't like RPG's then it would be stupid to buy something like Skyrim at full prince, as you're probably not going to like it. The same can be said for any game genre you don't like.

Like me with indie games.

JoesshittyOs:
How about you ignore every idiot who has to say something about the game that hasn't come out yet and wait it out?

Does it look interesting to you?

Yes? Go out and buy it.

No? Than go out and buy it so you can come back and complain about it.

This...so much damn this..

OT:
You know what, how about we all just stop bitching at each other from whatever side of the damn fence we stand on and WAIT for once until we have more to go on than a couple articles and a minute and a half reveal trailer before we go using one of these

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I'm so tired of the back and forth bullshit every time a game is just ANNOUNCED, much less any concrete footage is seen.
I can see the responses already coming to me "But Savage, nothing ever changes with CoD and I can predict the future based off of circumstantial evidence saying that nothing ever will."
You know what....no, you can't, so why don't you remove your head from your fourth point of contact, play the games you like to play, and leave everyone else to do the same. The industry, and the community, will thank you.

/rant

2012...

Long-time fans are hating the new game. However, long-time haters are highly-anticipating it.

How weird is this? Well, let's see, it's in the year 2025, it also has "Cold War Flashbacks", possibly something like Assassins Creed: Revelations, it's a lot more open, your choices affect the story and events along with weather you complete an objective or not, the story looks very intriguing so far, and you get to ride ponies. Err... I mean, "horses", but, there's no doubt people are gonna start modding my little ponies into this thing.

This just might be awesome. We shall see.

How about you don't buy into the fucking hype and wait for the game to come out?

If it's good. Chances are you can buy it on sale later and have just as good an experience as the early adopters.

Chances are that if its bad, you just saved yourself time and money.

i don't understand this hate. really guys if you like call of duty, and you want to play it then buy it or rent it. if you hate call of duty. FIrst, stop bitching about how the graphics sucks or not enough annotation, just stop. and second. if you don't want to play it then DON'T buy it; nobody is forcing to watch the trailers or buy the game.

You know...it'll probably end up being fun, just like the other games in the series have been fun, in their stupid, mindless, never-ending repetitive die-and-shoot-someone-else-way. It's still a way to piss away a couple of hours.

I'll probably end up buying it and playing it for a hundred hours or so.

Should you? I don't know.

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