Tera vs. Guild Wars 2 Pages PREV 1 2 3 4 5 NEXT | |
No, the clothes don't cover much, but I've never seen anything really like that outfit used in a pornographic context. I could write an entire review of that particular outfit and her pose, but can't be bothered right now.
No point of the bikini or shorts? You mean other than it does cover enough of them to not be completely indecent, while still allowing freedom of movement and exposure of the body to the "natural world" and sensations (Such as grass and wind against the body) the Elin love so much? | |
I have no desire to play an Elin. I'm put off not because I find them sexual but because I don't care for the pixie aesthetic. I prefer to play the big badass rock dude or the high elf female (now that's sexualization).
I'm not accusing you of being a pedo. I'm trying to understand why you feel the way you do. Do you not understand yet? EDIT:
I don't think they are improperly clothed. The worst I've seen is one wearing what looked like a tutu with short shorts. I find that ridiculous, even down right hilarious, especially when they are swinging a huge two handed axe like they are being lead around on a leash by a Saint Bernard. | |
Your missing the point and trying to fake an argument with your personal taste which is a irreverent issue. The issue is "Are they sexualizing a childlike character?" which is yes, not because you or I find them attractive, but because if you put those same clothes on that high elf female you mentioned, it would have the effect of inducing excitement. This is the same issue faced in child beauty pageants where they will wear things that are considered sexual on an adult and it causes problems, both in controversy and in the several cases where they are then molested because of the mental link between the attitude and visual appeal of the outfit. The morality of the situation is vague at best, I personally feel that as long as it isn't real and/or doesn't actually hurt or affect anyone without their participation there is no harm or fault. The reason child pornography is wrong is because it requires harming a child to produce, but roleplaying a minor in pornography is not illegal. But this has gone well past the point of off topic. Please take this to PMs or a different section of the forum to continue if you wish.How we went from which game you prefer to this so fast is startling. | |
I take full responsibility. I carried on for at least 2-3 posts too long. | |
Disagree completely. That would have the opposite effect for me. What and why people find certain things sexy is at the heart of the issue. It's what informs cultural values. You're claiming they are being sexualized. I'm disagreeing. You're doing the same thing as BloatedGuppy. Your personal taste (ie those poses and clothes being sexual) is just as irreverent. | |
Having played both, I can say that I'd rather save my money and keep playing TOR. | |
I really wish I could keep playing TOR. I still love that game. Sadly, my server is a ghost town. | |
The young girls outrage bandwagon has been ridden to hell and back already, get over it. It's in my opinion a hell of a lot less bad than people getting off on their WoW character dancing. Yes they are mildly creepy some of the time, no they don't do anything in game to actually back up your assertions of paedophilia, it's just a carry over from a Korean game having different cultural values, it's not there to screw your kid sister and fuel your nerdrage. Get over it and actually look at the rest of the game because it's not something you will even bother to see after 10 minutes of actually playing. | |
Wow, I can't believe how people hijacked this thread to talk about little girls running around in bikinis. I've played both Tera and GW2 (beta weekend) and their combat is kind of the same. Almost. Only Tera has the very same mechanics as "all the other" MMO's where you get your 50 skills and all you have to worry about is which number to press first, second, third etc. But of course, they have their "combo" which gives it a new touch, even though you could just press that skill (or any other) anyway - you don't get any bonus damage, cooldown or whatnot for using the "combo". Just an easier way to macro without actually using macros. Guild Wars 2, on the other hand, has a personal story that differs from race and profession, it's better active combat (in my opinion) and it's way to get people to play together, not against each other like people most likely are used to. GW2's cross-profession combos are pretty cool (although not awesome) where you could put up a field of fire and I'd shoot my regular arrows through it, making my arrows ignite and *poof*, I've got fire arrows also damaging the enemy over time, on top of their regular damage. There are lots and lots of other combos you can make, but you'll have to look that up yourself if you're interested. For me, Tera is just like all the other MMO's, but with better combat and a political system that seems like a fun idea. Guild Wars 2 has done a good enough overhaul of most game mechanics of the regular MMO and made them better in a way that makes it feel new and fresh. Also, there is way less grinding, the dynamic group events (much like Rift, only better thought out and great) and the way the game doesn't get you to hate all people outside your party is just great. Both games are great, but in my opinion, Guild Wars 2 seems to be the better game. Although it's not out yet, so you could always play Tera now and go for GW2 whenever it gets released. Oh, and knowing ArenaNet the updates won't be few, they will be plenty and often, and mostly based on their community. | |
Can you play GW2 with a control pad? Apparently you can use one in Tera, is that correct? If one offered it and the other didn't that would make my choice easy. | |
The creepy part is when you think: "Right, I just know, that someone, somewhere, at some time is jerking it to this..." | |
I haven't tried it myself, but I'm sure it will be possible if it isn't already. It would also be much easier since Tera has 50 different skills to keep track off with your "not 50 buttons" controller. Guild Wars 2 has 9 active skills at a time (although there are a lot more than those to choose from, you can only bring 9, well 14 if you quick-change your equipment, but still only 9 buttons). | |
As long as you could assign the keys, then yeah, I bet GW2 would be playable with a pad, or many-buttoned mouse. There's a limited suite of skills that need to be assigned. Tera not so much, it has the same ability scope as games like WoW and Rift. | |
Wait, do the prepubescent girls race have a male counterpart? | |
i haven't play either and i don't want to risk the money to buy either of them so i hope a trial for them comes out soon | |
Actually, TERA lets you play with a gamepad no problem. Every class has only a core set of skills that are used, so it's really not that big a deal. It doesn't have the hard limits GW does, but you have a set of 4-6 "core" abilities, depending on class, and the rest are highly situational. You can easily play TERA with a gamepad if you want to, especially since the developers included support for PS3 and Xbox360 controllers out of the box. That said, I haven't tried it myself, so I can't speak to how effective it is in comparison. | |
I'll take your word for it, but what happens when you need to use those one-shot utility skills? Do you need to go to the keyboard for those? | |
@Walter Byers Just to clear up some confusion, you see shorts on some of the pictures instead of bikinis due to western market censorship. The bikinis are the original character design, implemented in Korea, but the western market, being more conservative, opted for shorts instead. My opinion on the matter (I know, you asked): The "loli" race is supposed to be a very non-sexual race, who are more like nature spirits (from what I hear). However, the reason why they make us uncomfortable with their appearance isn't just from the scantily clad outfits. In all aspects they appear to be child-like, except for one thing: hips. They've got the hips and thighs of a developed woman, which generates conflicting images. On one hand they look like children, on the other they have something potentially arousing about them. The clothing doesn't help. It's quite easy to see why a lot of people find it disturbing. As for my opinion on GW2 vs Tera: I'll be playing GW2. The races/clothing isn't influencing my decision. From what I've seen and heard, the combat in Tera is fantastic once you reach mid game. The starting zones and early levels are the worst part of the game, and I don't think I have the fortitude to grind through it. More than that, it doesn't seem like Tera does things too different than any other MMO, aside from combat. GW2 has implemented more innovative mechanics, I think. The combat looks just as good as Tera's, if not better, so that's where I'll be taking my business. Also, GW2 is free-to-play, and I will not go back to a subscription game. Side note: Tera's avatars have some of the slickest dance moves I've seen in an MMO. Almost made me wanna buy it just for that :p | |
Tera gets my vote then for native controller support, GW2 is lacking. | |
Here's what i found from the tera wiki. But OT: definitely going with GW2 then i can still play SW:TOR for all 8 stories(got 2 done and 3 on the way, one of each advanced class for spice ;) ). and not have to pay monthly for GW2. Even though i have a hard time keeping up with two mmo's at once. | |
Tera is just a glorified bastard combination of Maplestory and Vindictus with an open world and mildly interesting combat with shit for quests and Korean grinding status. I didn't like it. Guild Wars 2 PvE was kind of meh, but I still found it more interesting. The lack of bunny-children that compel me to hate them and desire nothing but their painful, agonizing death is also a plus | |
As I said, I haven't tried it myself, so I'm not 100% sure on all the details, but I believe there's a mechanic in place for "modifiers" for buttons (like holding down RB will bring up an alternate skillbar) so that you can access more skills. Edit: Also, there really aren't a whole lot of skills in TERA, to be perfectly honest. I have a level 48 berzerker at the moment, and including my one racial skill and my mount, I have a grand total of 14 skills that can be used in combat, all but 6 of which I practically never use. 16 if you count both types of potions. It's not at all unreasonable to expect to be able to map all of those to a controller. Plus the combo system they have means you can just set up a chain of attacks and hit the combo button over and over again and it will perform the attacks you want. | |
I stand corrected, it looks like it would work pretty well. However, nobody has said GW2 will be lacking controller support - it's not even done yet. | |
The problem with GW2 is that cos there is no endgame as such, its just scaling your stats down and doing the leveling content again, I suspect you have to play it extremely casually to avoid the dynamic events feeling samey. And once you're bored of dynamic events, that's it, your done with the game cos there are only 7 dungeons in the entire game. (Explorable mode does not count as a separate dungeon.) It still has a lot more going for it than TERA though cos even in Rift the traditional questing style was very boring, and TERA quests are reportedly even more inane and dull that that. The rift them selves were fun for a bit and GW2 DEs are a much more advanced version. The ability to use a controller in TERA did tempt me but some people are saying that a high levels it becomes no longer viable. Other people are saying that is bollocks but whatever. The one thing I have found out from the GW2/TERA thing is no matter how much forum reading, Total Biscuit watching and research you do, you really really can't tell if you're gonna like it without playing it. | |
Well I have been playing Tera and, other than my first two pieces of armor, my character is no longer scantily clad. Secondly I hardly think the Elins are being over sexualized to look like prepubescent girls, they were even censored for western release. I am not even sure I know what a prepubescent teen even looks like, half the time they are 18 already and half the time they are only 10, guess I am just bad at the age guessing game. Also it is not exactly easy to zoom in far enough to actually care what players are wearing. But overall I find the combat fun if not really hard to solo things sometimes. I enjoy the kill quests, I could do without changing areas every 3 quests though. I do dislike how everything in your inventory seems to get cluttered really fast and profession mats are pretty darn worthless so far, for me at least. I also don't really like that to use your interface you have to stop moving or be auto running or it all disappears. I will probably pick up guild wars 2, because it could be great. But guild wars 1 was so terrible when I played it, at least from my point of view at the time, that it is weighing against it. | |
You're right, the dynamic events will probably get boring after a while, even though there are shitloads of them. Rift only had a few different appearing at random places throughout the world, GW2 has a LOT. But yeah, they will eventually get boring. But there will be content updates of course. ;) I never actually got to play PvP in the first beta weekend, I focused on PvE and will mostly play PvP in the next one instead. Thought I'd give both a good chance instead of doing a little bit of both. PvE was fun, felt good that it wasn't as much of a grind fest like other MMO's. Killing mobs doesn't give you as much experience as doing quests and story (way less actually) so it's basically not as much grinding as other games. Of course you get to kill a lot, you just don't have to grind between quests. PvP sounds good as it's all about skill and not about how many times you've grinded the different dungeons and how lucky you've been with your loot. That's how competitive PvP should be - about skill, not about equipment.
Guild Wars 2 is nothing like Guild Wars 1, except for some lore and the world itself (although quite different). You should not judge GW2 for what GW1 was (or is). I didn't enjoy GW1 that much either, but loved the beta of GW2. | |
nether really Tera will require a sub and i've no interest in GW2 though from what i've heard on both sides, I'd probably play Tera. since some on described the combat as "Vindictus in an open world", which is 'do want' far as I'm concerned. as far as the 'pedo bait' every one keep harping on about. it's funny how people seems to think its the only race, or that's all any one will roll. it makes me giggle from how ignorant it is | |
The biggest thing TERA has going for it is the combat. And I don't mean that in the "action combat!!!" sense that it seems a lot of people are talking about here. Tera's combat is, quite literally, skill-based. You can solo anything in the game assuming you're good enough at the game (with some gear dependencies depending on your class). It's all just a matter of being able to continually block/avoid/dodge/etc enemy attacks long enough to do more damage than their health. If you're good at the game, you can solo group content, and that's not something I've ever seen before in an MMO. Other than that, it's a very standard MMO though. The story is almost completely irrelevant, the quest progression is Korean through and through (get a quest to do something and head to the next quest hub, get there and get a quest to go right back to the hub you just finished with, etc), the quests themselves are all either escorts, kill X monsters, or find Y items, etc. In my take though, all of that is okay though, because it's flat out fun to play. Especially soloing BAMs (the most common group content, stands for "Big Ass Monsters", think Elites in WoW) is incredibly fun, even if it does take upwards of 10 minutes. | |
Thanks for an actual answer. I can kinda understand. I still wouldn't call their hips that of a developed women. | |
I've played Vindictus quite and bit and no, Tera is not Vindictus in an open world. It's all other MMO's but you can dodge and block. And miss your attacks (because you aim at something else, like the ground or a tree). Other than that it's not like Vindictus. You can't grab anything, you can't do cool combos, you can't use the environment to your advantage, you can't trap a polar bear with chains. The combat you know from Vindictus is not in Tera. | |
What? My slayer does some pretty cool combos. How is Vindictus different? | |
Haha. No such thing. OT: I would definitely recommend GW2 based on my knowledge. I played the latest beta. Though the gameplay is just your normal point 'n click MMO, it's the most polished of them. I did think it would be a bit more actiony. It would be SOOOOO much better if you could toggle so that you won't have to hold in the right mouse button to pan the camera. Still, it was just a beta. Something that I didn't expect to enjoy so much was the story quests. Seriously, they really grew on me. My friend even said that that's probably where he got the most enjoyment out of the game. Other than, running around with random people and killing stuff together is great fun. I didn't try out the PvP, I was busy trying to get the know the different classes. As for TERA, I really can't see how it can justify a subscription fee. Aside from the combat, it doesn't seem to offer anything that we haven't seen before. Btw, just my take on all of this pedo bullcrap - If it has a distinctive artstyle, it isn't a problem. Now if games with realistic graphic styles features small girls in skimpy clothing, THEN we have a problem. | |
I knew someone would say that. You've obviously not tried Vindictus. Pressing 1, 2, 3 or 1, spacebar, spacebar, spacebar isn't the same as Vindictus combat and it's combos. Feel free to look up Vindictus if you're interested. Point is Tera is NOT Vindictus with an open world, the combat is very different. | |
>.> chains? on The White Tyrant? -.- why ..... none of them are hard enough to warrant the use of chains. unless your talking about the new one in the 'unknown zone', not bothered with anything but Elchulus of that set. :/ but that kinda bums me out. but least it'll save me a bunch a money | |
| Pages PREV 1 2 3 4 5 NEXT | |
In the 4th post in this thread you claim you find them "offputting". That's quite an about face.
Ah yes, we're back to playing "No U Pedo". That's...fantastic. Even better, you went back to edit your post for that.
In the screen capture you conveniently cannot see, the pre pubescent girl in question is cocking her hip out while wearing a TINY bikini. So, we're back to "what's your comfort level". Presumably, unless you are ATTRACTED TO YOUNG CHILDREN, our comfort level should be "anything goes", if I'm following you and Scow correctly. Like, she could be in BDSM gear, and if that raised a red flag, it would be evidence of secret pedophilia.
The clothes in question are semi-pornographic, and thus the game seems squicky. I realize that, from your experience, MOST of the time they're well clothed, which is why I asked "How many incidences of them NOT being properly clothed is too many?".
You'll please note that I am NOT ACCUSING YOU OF BEING A PEDARIST BECAUSE YOU LIKE TERA. If you like the game, fill your boots. I just don't understand why anyone would defend those specific art assets, because they don't really merit a defense.
Well it's a vibe, yeah? You can perhaps look at that Tera screenshot and tell me the artist was not trying to sexualize the subject. I think it's pretty evident the artist WAS trying to sexualize the subject, there's no real defense for the bikini OR those shorts. Not to the point where I think Bluehole Studio is full of child molesters, but to the point where the entire exercise leaves a bad taste in my mouth and I'd rather play something else.