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Don't lump Skyrim in with Diablo 3. Diablo 3 is a linear hack n' slash with shitty voice acting, Skyrim is a sandbox adventure game with RPG mechanics. And it was better. | |
Cheers for the confirmation, I have friends bugging me to get D3 but I've been unwilling because it's expensive and DRM always makes me wary. Looking forwards to T2, the beta was really fun. As an additional can one of the anti-Skyrim people tell me how exactly it's worse than Oblivion? I'm curious, they gave the game an atmosphere again, it's much less of a generic fantasy related playground this time around. | |
Skyrim was rather boring and definitely a waste of money. It was sandbox, so you could kill the guys. So what? Killing everyone was boring, and the game in general was boring. There's a reason why searching the words "Skyrim Boring" (without the quotes) will have over 3 million search results. | |
1. You can substitute disprove with dispute, or contest, and he (or anyone) could easily try to contest my assertions that Diablo 3 isn't that fun. If you want to argue, you can talk about how there are some things in the game that are more fun now than before and how they outweigh the two factors I talked about. You can talk about how you in fact enjoy the changes to the leveling and loot systems. You can point out all kinds of observations, but instead you rage on about how there can be no legible response to my thread. Of course there can be; you just didn't have one. 2. I did not "extoll" or stong-arm my perspective onto other people. I used virtually all of my post to talk about what my opinions are. I did not at any point tell people they were illogical if they disagreed, nor employ overly too much emphasis (capitalization, spamming, etc) to prevent critique of my post. And yes, you get brownie points for realizing that this is a subjective thread (a review of a video game, after all, is an opinion on a video game). Again, this doesn't mean there can be no response or discussion, or that my opinions, subjective as they categorically are, are baseless. If you kindly read the OP, you'll notice that the vast majority of it is comprised of reasons why I found the game to be boring. So, there was my opinion, my analysis, and my advice. I didn't give them in that order, but they were all there. 3. I will have to make this a point and say that "this game is boring" is in fact a compelling topic, seeing as how this is a site about video games, and this forum is about video game discussion. But more amusing is the irony of your wall of rage containing diminutive and dismissing remarks about my thread. If it truly wasn't a compelling topic to you, you would not have bothered to post, and definitely not with such vim. ;) | |
I got this game, and it's amazing fun, just got to hell difficulty, get's really challenging | |
I just searched "Skyrim boring" in Google and got only about 500,000 results, while "Skyrim fun" returned over 39 million. I agree that Skyrim got a bit stale after a while, but on the whole I'd say I had so much fun with the game for such a long while that its price tag was definitely justified, as was the hype. That's just me, though. If you want to get a better reading of what more people think about Skyrim and compare it to Diablo 3, you can check out the Metacritic pages: http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/diablo-iii http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim --- I'd say more people would say that Skyrim was better or more fun than D3. | |
I'm getting near 100 hours and I'm still enjoying the game. I might have 300+ hours on Skyrim, but that's a freak of a game. Any game that gets a hundred hours is good value to me to be honest. And by the way, to the above poster, that only goes to show how useless user scores are. The gaming community can get it in their heads that a certain game is cool to hate on (take ME3 for instance) and suddenly every minor objection becomes a deal-breaker. Just look at how much the story was focussed on in ME3, while hardly anything bad was said about the gameplay. Same deal with D3. If you have a legitimate objection to the gameplay (other than whining about it being too difficult; no chance on that, since you were whining about it being too easy three weeks ago) then I'll hear it. People were even complaining about the graphics, as if that was a major deal breaker over the gameplay. I'm still loving the game. I have my objections don't get me wrong. I definitely think there are performance issues. But there is no doubt to me that the gameplay (which should be the most important thing) is spot on. | |
A couple of things. 1. You are mistaking post count/responses with a compelling topic. A compelling topic is interesting to discuss or debate, and stimulates rewarding conversation. What you have is an incendiary topic. That you chose to title it like you did indicates you are aware of this and that the topic is not incendiary by accident. Anyone can write an incendiary topic. I could pick a game, any game, and write a long, biased, completely opinion based rant on why it was terrible, and then act hurt/bemused when anyone stopped by to contradict me, and within a handspan of days my thread would reach 5-10 pages. 2. This "vim" and "wall of rage" crap is beneath both of us, so I'll remark on it once and not again. It is the intellectual equivalent of "U MAD BRO", which is to say it is the intellectual equivalent of dragging your scrotum through the underbrush or marveling at a shiny piece of glass. Since all caps appear to startle and alarm you, I will use bolding to apply emphasis to words instead, even though it's more work for me just to keep you from taking flailing leaps to wild conclusions. That fair? 3. I re-read your OP to look for discussion value, since you're clearly laboring under the impression it is loaded with points that are primed for healthy debate. It's not. What are we to discuss? That you've had bad luck with the random number generator? That you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the skill system? The theme of the piece is "you are bored". We all get bored, yeah? Many things bore us. Would you like to hear a list of all the things that bore me? Do you think that would provoke a rousing discussion that would enrich and inform both of us? I think we can both agree this is not the case. I mean, what can we talk about here? Do you want to talk about the broken difficulty scaling? That's a problem, but you never addressed it. Do you want to talk about the absence of unique items and item sets, and about how the poor (and soon to be patched, apparently) itemization on legendaries makes the loot system somewhat lacking in charm? We could, but all you're doing is complaining about the Auction House. As 90% of the items I had on my end-game character in Diablo 2 came through trade, this is an odd complaint to visit upon its successor, but who am I to debate what bores you? Aaaand I see from the thread you're now attempting to use metacritic scores as objective evidence of quality. I think I'm going to exit stage left now. You have fun with that! | |
I love playing Diablo 3 both alone and with friends. I really is a fun little game, it doesn't really do anything that hasn't been done before, but I have enjoyed what it does. That said, it WOULD be worth the 60+ dollars the consumer is expected to pay for it, at least as much as any game these days is WORTH the rather large price tag we as consumers pay, but unfortunately do to Blizzard shooting themselves in the foot with this always online DRM crap, its not worth it. Really the Jimquizition video on the topic says it all, but even when that came out I was willing to endure some issues that would cause the game to be inaccessible. Now its three weeks after the launch and the game servers are down again. I can't play a game that IS NOT an MMO. Put quite simply, I'm not getting what I paid for, and that is the reason that nobody should waste their hard earned money on Diablo 3 or any other Blizzard game for that matter until they learn that this business model is absolutely unacceptable. It's not about game design, its about how you do business. If I buy anything else from any store in this country and it doesn't work, I have the right to a refund or replacement, but for some reason because Diablo 3 is a game its supposed to be okay that I can't play that game whenever I please. I could rant all day, but like I said, the Jimquizition video really says it all, I recommend anyone considering purchasing Diablo 3 watch it. | |
User scores mean pretty much nothing. People have been review-bombing games for silly inane reasons for years now. "The servers were down for 2 hours on the biggest PC launch in history WAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! ZERO SCORE GAME IS AWFUL LOL." I'm not going to get into the whole Skyrim debate, but I will say that I found Skyrim to be a giant boring snoozefest of boredom. I feel the same way about every Bethesda game though, so perhaps I'm biased. | |
Disagree. I am still enjoying the game. I haven't been playing it lately for one reason, and one reason alone: I have intentions to play the game with a friend who, unfortunately, got his computer taken away two days prior to D3 being released. I'm waiting to play with him before I continue playing. | |
When ever popular games come out, why are there always these threads? If people want a game bud, they will give ZERO shits about what you say. | |
WhoHoo! Given that the OP was giving reasons why not to buy D3, some of the FanFans (Fanatic Fans) here are just trolling when they tell him to shut up. So all you trolls had better can it, or those REPORT buttons are gonna get spammed. You like the game - great. If you want to be part of the debate then give reasons, not adolescent angst. This is not a conspiracy to wreck your enjoyment of the game. Hell, if you like it so much why are you in this thread, hmmm? Why are you not playing it - I would be if I liked it (unless the servers are down again). Now a few things the OP missed if you want good reasons to not get this game: A) The total lack of piracy means that Blizzard did not have to charge double for the game like most non-indie game companies claim is necessary so they can afford more yachts for the cleaning staff. Do not forget the lack of cost in publishing either since it is a digital download, and after removing the cut-scenes, a very short game. Wow, actually this is one of the most expensive in cost per hour of actual gameplay I have ever seen now that I think about it. EDIT - Wait no, that was Homefront. B) They make you download about 15% of the content every time you play the game, meaning that if you have a monthly bandwidth cap you may find that your first monthly bill after starting D3 is going to be a hell of a lot more expensive that you realize. They did not include that in the system requirements for a reason. C) Playing in Nightmare means the inevitable lag will kill you and take all your stuff. Completing it should come with a "I fought the lag, and the lag lost" award (and hat)! D) The servers are constantly messing up right now, and tens of thousands of accounts have been scrambled. Most assume hackers did it, but it is just additional bugs that *somehow* slipped through the million+ beta test. You can suddenly lose all your in-game money, and Blizzard is just shrugging their shoulders and muttering something about eggs and omelets. There are even reports of all the items also being solid gone. They do not appear in anyone else's inventory or the AH (according to Blizzard techs). If you realize that you made a mistake and want to back out of the deal then there is good news. Game companies are not allowed to suddenly pull advertised content. So you can all return the game for a full refund regardless of how much you have played it, citing that you were only there for the real money AH. They have to grant your request, regardless of what country you are from. Since piracy is non-existent, you do not even need a receipt. If you like D3 and want to keep playing then kudos on finding something you like! Just watch the overage charges. ;) | |
You know, you really need to use Poe's Law Pink, because I was afraid you were serious there, for a moment. I mean, you were clearly aiming for a parody for the comedic effect, but that is severely diminished if your post is mistaken for something that some people will actually say unironically. | |
They've been working diligently to screw the gold AH up too. If you look, you will find that the only listings are for items that just went up in the last couple hours, or items that are two days old and just about to expire. All the middle time is just not there. Can you explain it? I can guess: The game that made 1/2 billion dollars was too cheap to buy a bunch of computer hardware to support their game. Lack of servers that cost what, $5-10k each? You could buy hundreds of servers for less than 1% of sales. | |
Leave it to a Western company to couple their ugly dogshit Western aesthetics with asinine things like always having to be online. Aren't Western companies the ones that came up with the idea of DLC? It's hardly a surprise. It's too bad the game sold so many copies anyway. It'd be much nicer if Blizzard would go bankrupt. | |
I have been playing the demo, and I am not finding D3 very fun. Also earlier tonight I couldn't play because the servers were full. Not a problem for me because I didn't spend a dime on it, but those who did spend money on it got a little screwed. | |
I don't find Diablo 3 boring, but maybe that's because i haven't been able to play it enough to get tired of it. But the "it gets boring after x amount of hours" argument is true for ALL games and genres, and the exact amount of hours varies widely per person. | |
Blizzard wont go bankrupt because they can always fall back on the kiddos that play WoW and buy Call of Duty. Also it was Sega that introduced DLC, Microsoft only took an interest in it later. | |
Yes, in Nightmare, you can run any build you want and think it works. Nightmare is very easy. Goodluck doing this in inferno. The complaints about D3 are either about the bad DRM, or the inferno issues.
No. Dark Souls on hard is way too hard for me. D3 inferno is easy for me once you have the gear. It's a RMAH based design that backfired. | |
I'm with you on this. Regards, P.S. Torchlight one is amazing. I'll definately try out Torchlight II :) | |
Googled "Two Worlds great game" 37,500,000 results. <_< OT: I, personally, dig Diablo 3 so far. Been having a blast with my friends. I'd recommend it. | |
Personally I think you should just let people make up their own mind about what they want to buy... If someone wants to but it because they liked the first two, than that's their problem if they don't like it. | |
You know... I thought the Auction House was going to be an interesting addition, and was actually pyched for D3. But with everything thats been happening, I no longer care for D3. Shame... So much promise, and yet it was all dashed... | |
I got the CE, and i have to say it was beyond worth it, i think the game is great. However your arguments are valid, but not to a degree of completely discouraging the game. The lack of character customization is due to balancing future PvP, and the reason they don't put it into the base game and just remove it when they get around to actually having PvP in the game is because that probably would have greater repercussions. But then the runes do give an illusion of customizable play style and that is enough for some. On the other hand the DRM pisses me off to a massive degree | |
My thoughts exactly. Except from the oddball builds of a few connoisseurs with a taste for the profane, there really wasn't any customization. Everybody who got beyond normal did more or less the same thing. I have not played the game in question, but I like it when developers dare to make a few game play and design changes. Liven up the series a little. Dawn of war 2 was good fun because they cut out the middle man (all that pesky base building) and got straight to the action.Is all change for the better? no, but I'm still willing to give blizzard a little leeway on this. | |
Oh, thank you for this objective warning. I'm really enjoying Diablo 3 and I disagree with pretty much everything you said. I must be wrong then. | |
1. There is no debate. You can't debate someone's boredom. The OP does not create an opportunity for debate at all with the way he presents his opinion. Any debate that has begun is due to respondents introducing debatable points. Given the title alone, it seems fairly apparent the OP was baiting flames. 2. Like many people, I was in this thread...and I'm in it again...because I'm at work. Diablo 3 is not presently an option. This is a weird point, and has been debunked so many times in so many discussions, I can't believe you're so gleeful about issuing it. Did it not occur to you that people post from places other than their bedrooms?
The highest I can think of is Unreal 2, which I believe clocked in at 4 hours of campaign time for a full price game. Diablo 3 is an expensive game, but it's not unusually short or unusually content light. It's quite comparable to the original 2 games. I will say that the way it tiers difficulty is flat out anachronistic though, and they really could (and should) have come up with a different way of approaching this.
A salient point. How much does it stream during a given session? Do you have any idea? I'm honestly interested in knowing. My IP does not charge overages but they're certainly trying to get things to a place where they can. Would it be more or less than an MMO? I don't recall any of the MMOs I've played ever resulting in a big bandwidth requirement.
Lag seems to be regional. Playing during prime time in the Pacific Northwest I have zero lag, and have suffered no lag or crash related deaths. Take all your stuff though? Presumably that's a joke, death results in no loss of "stuff". Unless you're on hardcore, I suppose.
The AH is a fucking mess right now. It lags like a pig, it's down as often as it's up, and it frequently takes your money and gives you nothing in return for hours if not days. It'll be a long, long while before we see the RMAH if this carries on. I think squirrels coded that AH.
It's a fun game, and as an overall experience extremely comparable to the others in the series. It feels like a bit of a timewaster inbetween more substantial games, but it is compulsively playable. RPS has a good review of it where they cover all the negatives and positives in a fairly objective fashion. | |
I called this two years ago: It will take two weeks after the "new game blindness" dies out, where all the people will start coming out of the wood works to complain about how it does absolutely nothing new, the AH detracts from the overall game experience, the terribly designed servers prevent single player and the leveling/gear system is almost a direct copy from World of Warcraft. The fact is, they shot themselves in the foot...again. SC2 really kicked the nostalgia out of a lot of people, and it did the same in D3. Everyone had this jaded sunglasses look at Blizzard, and now that Activision has pretty much ground them into a useless pulp by requiring them to release "safe" AAA Titles, a lot of these sunglasses have started to come off. Worst of all, D3 won't have near the longevity of D1/D2 (which people still seem to play) because they killed their biggest "extender" group: the modders. A lot of the modding community is currently waiting for Offline Patches (whether from Blizzard or from a hacking community) so that they can do what they do best. If no one makes one (or its just terrible), the modding community will do what it has mostly already done: move onto other games. | |
The...hell? How on EARTH do you figure this? Have you played either game? Where do you see this relationship?
SC2 is fine. It's a competitive multi-player game. It always was, and it's still perfectly good at exactly that.
Yeah, that's the amazing thing about confirmation biases. No matter what happens, the evidence at hand always seems to support them. I don't want to rain on your parade Nostradamus, but the game hasn't even been out a month yet. It's a little early to be making firm statements about what the state of the fan base will be 10 years from now. Someone rooted up some comments about Diablo 2 shortly after release, and it was all the same shit. Travesty of a game, nothing like as good as the original, art style ruined (not dark enough), Blizzard has shot themselves in the foot, etc, etc. I don't really know or care what Diablo III will look like 10 years from now, because who the fuck plays the same game for 10 years? But I'm pretty sure you don't know either. And I really hate that I'm getting pushed into the position of Diablo 3 Defender, because all the knee-jerk forum crusaders will be up in my face with cries of 'fanboy' without even bothering to ask me what I actually think of the game. But the propensity of people on these forums to talk completely out of their ass about it drives me nuts. | |
So, you haven't actually played the game, have you? Good work, you should never let a complete and utter knowledge about a subject stop you from having fierce opinions about it! | |
My friend Jeremy still plays the game. He played it off and on since it came out, and when he went to D3...it just put him off about the entire series.
Let's see... You level from Level 1 to 60. I'm not too sure if I'm talking about Diablo 3 or World of Warcraft now.
I find it hard to believe its all the same shit, because, if I'm remembering right, Diablo 2 didn't have: - Always on DRM The differences between D1 and D2 wasn't as much as D2->D3. Heck, the entire D2 had a "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality to it. They changed up a lot of the levelling, gear and such to make things fresh, but that's what you get. The complaints that I'm seeing for D2 weren't structural, they were balance related. Even those were fixed. D3 has a decent balance, but its just a World of Warcraft copy, so I suppose it should be balanced well since they've been making a system like that for a while. -------------- Ultimately, this is coming down to me looking from the outside in. I have been listening to complaints from actual players and watching all these "let's play" videos to make an educated decision if I want to support a gaming company that seems to have let down its userbase since its combination with Activision. Ultimately, I did not purchase the game after reading reviews, watching videos and listening to players. Here, I gave my opinions, and I backed it up with facts. I'm kind of getting tired of the "jaded" look that people are giving it. I don't believe there is such thing as a 10/10 game, because no game is perfect (not even Portal 1). Every time I see a "PERFECT," review, it makes me sad inside because there's just so much that D3 that is...by the books. Its almost "checklist"-like. Anyone who righteously defends any game without realizing that there are some flaws, is doomed to just look like a self-righteous prick that is holding up a shield to something that they can't just tell that its a pustuled mess. | |
Well, Yahtzee says it's pants, and he usually has a taste similar to mine, so yeah. Didn't buy it, don't plan to. | |
My friend Andy and my friend Dan both played Diablo II and are loving Diablo III. Anecdotal accounts are completely worthless information.
Diablo 2's talent structure was extremely similar in form and function to WoW. Diablo III's bears little resemblance to it. The number of levels is arbitrary and not really relevant. Gear does in fact drop from enemies, much as it did in Diablo 2, and in fact shares many of the same stats and functions as the gear in Diablo 2, and few if any of the same stats and functions as the gear in WoW. Trading was always part of the game in Diablo 2, the AH facilitates easier trading. That this particular AH is tits up awful is not evidence that an AH wasn't a good idea. Crafting is new, but not remotely similar to crafting in WoW. It's a ridiculous comparison. Diablo III does in fact share some qualities with WoW. Many of those qualities Diablo II also shared with WoW. Praising one and damning the other is the stuff of high comedy.
Jesus christ. We should really just go our separate ways at this point, yeah? Nothing good is going to come of us continuing this conversation. I'm going to start calling you names, and you're going to start calling me names, and we'll both get warnings, and everyone will be sad and no one will have learned any lessons. You and I have a fundamental difference in understanding of what WoW was, and is, and what Diablo II was, and what Diablo III is. Because I find it absolutely mind-blowing that anyone can say this having played both games and keep a straight face. This "hyuk hyuk loot drops from mobs in both games" stuff is making me suspect you're just taking a piss, but I can never be sure. | |
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Yeah, Torchlight 2 absolutely rocks, I played the Berserker in the beta on veteran difficulty (I did try elite, I'll get to that in a minute) and the combat was fun and exciting, much more than I could say of my foray into the D3 demo.
My one complaint would be that elite difficult seems a little off at the moment, being hit for half my health by a basic attack from a skeleton archer (who's attack is almost unavoidable and not telegraphed since in all other difficulties it's basically only there to be smashed to bits to make you feel good about yourself) is not fun.