I've been keeping track of much of E3s coverage this year, as much as I can find at least. Honestly on that subject it's been a rather lack luster year with only a few promising titles.

Watching the Wii U and seeing what it's capable of, I begin to wonder how long it'll be relevant if Sony and Microsoft's technology completely outdates Nintendo's. Right now from news reports it's "on par" or even slightly better then the current generation. I wouldn't doubt that either, concidering the Wii U's hardware isn't 6+ years old. With Sony and Microsoft still developing their next gen, and the Unreal 4 engine in the works, will Wii U have a place with third party developers for long? Or will it simply become the family oriented, gimicy system that the Wii turned out to be.

Granted, the Wii thrived on the Casual audience for years topping the system sales charts. It might have an initial push being the first out the door Granted.Though it feels as soon as the other two compeditors get their new systems out there, third party developers will drop support for the WiiU save for a few gimicy games they produce from time to time.

It'll sell, at least for Pikmin 3.

Given that many of the "big" game announcements for the WiiU are actually just ports of games that are also going to be on the current other systems or, in many cases, have already come out on the current other systems, I think it's fairly obvious what the answer is.

Yes, in a year or so once the next generation begins in earnest, the WiiU will be totally left in the dust technology wise. Will this mean it will stop receiving support? Well, it really depends on how big of an install base it rings up and on just how far behind the curve it is.

If the next generation brings leaps in AI or other things that require large amounts of processing power that aren't graphics I'll be disappointed that the Wii U is so underpowered. But otherwise it doesn't really matter.

The WiiU is going to flop, and pretty badly too. The thing only barely surpasses the PS3 and 360, and the Xbox 3 will likely be out in 2013 with the PS4 in 2014. It's going to be out dated very quickly.

There's also the problem that the casual market that bought the Wii isn't there anymore. No one who bought the Wii was waiting for a new Wii console, they've all moved on to facebook games and smartphone games. Easy drop in, drop out distractions and they don't need to be tied to a TV to do it.

The core Nintendo fans are the only ones looking forward to the WiiU and there's no games for them. Sure ZombiU and a handful of games that everyone has already played. Nintendo has no plan for the WiiU, they're halfheartedly reaching out in every direction and expecting the success of the Wii to carry the WiiU, but they don't realise that the Wii has been a joke for over 2 years now. There are like 10 good games for the thing, not a good precedent for the WiiU to follow.

TL;DR: Nintendo expect a casual audience to eat up the WiiU like they did the Wii, but that audience has long since moved on.

Soooooo.... You all really care that much about graphics? Haha don't play Xenoblade then.

Wii had some of the best games this gen. Wii-U will follow the same path of innovative ideas and using the tech well to make good games. But, you hate on it.

FYI, I work in a RadioShack and you guys really have NOOOOO IDEA how fast tablets sell. This is going to make BIG MONEY.

I want the Wii-U to fail so hard it makes Nintendo pull their finger out, or at least fail so hard that Microsoft and Sony stop copying their stupid business practice.

The success of the Wii was a fad, an accident. Right place, right time. As someone has already said the casual Marketa now has plenty of other venues to meet their tastes. Playing tennis in front of your telly is going to enthrall the casual demographic, but god knows they've already got tablets galore. Made by companies who have much more successful markets.

it won't flop right away, but probably a year or two down the road, this generation it will fall even more behind the xbox 3/ps4, especially on 3rd party games..(hell most 3rd party games from this generation are getting just ported to wii-u, that's saying something.)

Unless nintendo seriously pulls out some amazing first party titles that aren't just rehash's, (if they put a 3D pokemon game on it, that's a full grand game unlike shitty pokemon XD or whatever that shit was called, that might just sell me on it alone) I can't see it doing too well in the long run, especially with the competition going on in this market.

DigitalAtlas:
Soooooo.... You all really care that much about graphics? Haha don't play Xenoblade then.

Wii had some of the best games this gen. Wii-U will follow the same path of innovative ideas and using the tech well to make good games. But, you hate on it.

FYI, I work in a RadioShack and you guys really have NOOOOO IDEA how fast tablets sell. This is going to make BIG MONEY.

The Wii had the fewest worthwhile titles this gen. Sure it did have some of the best but they're few and far between. The PS3 and 360, despite everyone's complaining, have had good games fairly consistently. The only company that made good games for the Wii was Nintendo and the only game they have for the WiiU is Pikmin 3.

You're ignoring the fact that they have no games, no audience and no plan. They have nothing. Hoping that their casual fans will somehow be pulled backwards from the super convenient smart phones back to the TV is silly, and pissing off the core fans for YEARS only to not have anything beyond Pikmin 3 is a fucking disgrace.

The WiiU will fail because Nintendo don't know what they're doing, they've taken one step in every direction and ended up back exactly where they were when the WiiU was announced. Full of angry, disappointed and confused fans. And here's another thing, most casual players don't even realise the WiiU is an entirely new console, they think it's a new controller. Even CNN, one of the best news stations in the world, didn't know that the WiiU was a console.

How do you expect it to sell when no one knows what it is or what it does?

As I said before, the Wii U is in fact going to have a head start on the compitition for being the latest system to actually be produced in the last 6 years. A library of third party games that have had a release on shelves months to a year before the Wii U itself launches, and about 4 original titles with it ( mind you Nintendo land being one of them...) It may only last so long before it becomes the movie tie in family party system of the 20teens.

Janus Vesta:

DigitalAtlas:
Soooooo.... You all really care that much about graphics? Haha don't play Xenoblade then.

Wii had some of the best games this gen. Wii-U will follow the same path of innovative ideas and using the tech well to make good games. But, you hate on it.

FYI, I work in a RadioShack and you guys really have NOOOOO IDEA how fast tablets sell. This is going to make BIG MONEY.

The Wii had the fewest worthwhile titles this gen. Sure it did have some of the best but they're few and far between. The PS3 and 360, despite everyone's complaining, have had good games fairly consistently. The only company that made good games for the Wii was Nintendo and the only game they have for the WiiU is Pikmin 3.

You're ignoring the fact that they have no games, no audience and no plan. They have nothing. Hoping that their casual fans will somehow be pulled backwards from the super convenient smart phones back to the TV is silly, and pissing off the core fans for YEARS only to not have anything beyond Pikmin 3 is a fucking disgrace.

The WiiU will fail because Nintendo don't know what they're doing, they've taken one step in every direction and ended up back exactly where they were when the WiiU was announced. Full of angry, disappointed and confused fans. And here's another thing, most casual players don't even realise the WiiU is an entirely new console, they think it's a new controller. Even CNN, one of the best news stations in the world, didn't know that the WiiU was a console.

How do you expect it to sell when no one knows what it is or what it does?

Actually, people are flipping out over this console. It's got plenty of games for a launch. You keep saying PIKMIN 3 AND ONLY PIKMIN 3... which isn't true at all. Scribblenauts is a popular brand and will be Nintendo's LBP. Nintendo Land is just gimmicky to convince people to buy the console if it comes with it. Mario is mario, and Project P100 will win over the hardcore. Not to mention Watch Dogs is coming, as well as Lego City, Rayman Legends, and ZombiU. All look incredibly fun, even if it is a surprise for most of them.

Plus, Nintendo is integrating right into the modern tech by having big named games like Darksiders II and Assassin's Creed III come out like they normally would, but for the new console (Xbox 360 did this. THEY REALLY FAILED HUH?!). From a sales point of view, this is an attraction. If people are curious enough about the Wii-U to buy it and they want their same games? Bam. Wii-U can do it, and provide Nintendo games.

Nintendo knows EXACTLY what they're doing and this system is going to sell BIIIIIG numbers. Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean other people aren't.

Also, REALLY? CNN? You expect CNf'nN to be kept up to date with the latest game news? They looked at the name and Google image'd. F*ckin... Please...

EDIT: Also, you're forgetting...

>HD Mario that actually looks pretty

THAT will move this console on it's own. Don't believe me? Look at the sales for the Red Wii bundled with NSMB.

Good games come before hardware. However hardware limitations can make a bad game, if the devs make bad ports or sacrifice gameplay for graphical sparkle.

I think the Wii and probably the WiiU too are the most usefull with another console or gaming PC sitting beside it.

Baldr:
At the least, it going to get at least 1 year of being the rich kid on the block. We don't know any of the price structures yet. New Xbox and PS could be $600 which is killer in a bad economy, which means only new games will come out on the affordable WiiU(Assuming the low specs makes it affordable.) verses them not coming out on the Xbox360 and PS3.

There is no way in hell the next xbox and ps4 will be anywhere near $600. After the PS3's launch all the console developers know that the vast majority of consumers won't touch a console that costs over $400 with a ten foot pole.

It might. The industry is in a bit of a flux right now, and if Sony and Microsoft can retaliate quick enough, they can make the WiiU obsolete really fast.

The improved third party support and unique controls however give it a better chance then I ever gave the Wii (which turned out to sell like hot cakes with tits) so who knows. If last generation taught me anything it is that you should never underestimate Nintendo.

It's one of the few companies in the industry left who actually maintained a large group of loyal fans, and it actually dares to take risks with it's consoles. If anything, I can predict the next Xbox and Playstation will sell roughly the same, with the Xbox selling just a bit better, but the WiiU is a darkhorse.
In how long it will take to be outdated, to how long it will be fun to play with, to how well it will sell.

Sadly, there is a startlingly large number of people claiming they will purchase the WiiU on release, regardless of any events leading to that time or the quality of the product itself. I personally see the item as little more than a larger DS and have no doubt in my mind that some time from now, the general opinion will be a mixture of disappointment and apathy--much the same as the 3DS and the Wii before it.

DigitalAtlas:

Janus Vesta:

DigitalAtlas:
Soooooo.... You all really care that much about graphics? Haha don't play Xenoblade then.

Wii had some of the best games this gen. Wii-U will follow the same path of innovative ideas and using the tech well to make good games. But, you hate on it.

FYI, I work in a RadioShack and you guys really have NOOOOO IDEA how fast tablets sell. This is going to make BIG MONEY.

The Wii had the fewest worthwhile titles this gen. Sure it did have some of the best but they're few and far between. The PS3 and 360, despite everyone's complaining, have had good games fairly consistently. The only company that made good games for the Wii was Nintendo and the only game they have for the WiiU is Pikmin 3.

You're ignoring the fact that they have no games, no audience and no plan. They have nothing. Hoping that their casual fans will somehow be pulled backwards from the super convenient smart phones back to the TV is silly, and pissing off the core fans for YEARS only to not have anything beyond Pikmin 3 is a fucking disgrace.

The WiiU will fail because Nintendo don't know what they're doing, they've taken one step in every direction and ended up back exactly where they were when the WiiU was announced. Full of angry, disappointed and confused fans. And here's another thing, most casual players don't even realise the WiiU is an entirely new console, they think it's a new controller. Even CNN, one of the best news stations in the world, didn't know that the WiiU was a console.

How do you expect it to sell when no one knows what it is or what it does?

Actually, people are flipping out over this console. It's got plenty of games for a launch. You keep saying PIKMIN 3 AND ONLY PIKMIN 3... which isn't true at all. Scribblenauts is a popular brand and will be Nintendo's LBP. Nintendo Land is just gimmicky to convince people to buy the console if it comes with it. Mario is mario, and Project P100 will win over the hardcore. Not to mention Watch Dogs is coming, as well as Lego City, Rayman Legends, and ZombiU. All look incredibly fun, even if it is a surprise for most of them.

Plus, Nintendo is integrating right into the modern tech by having big named games like Darksiders II and Assassin's Creed III come out like they normally would, but for the new console (Xbox 360 did this. THEY REALLY FAILED HUH?!). From a sales point of view, this is an attraction. If people are curious enough about the Wii-U to buy it and they want their same games? Bam. Wii-U can do it, and provide Nintendo games.

Nintendo knows EXACTLY what they're doing and this system is going to sell BIIIIIG numbers. Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean other people aren't.

Also, REALLY? CNN? You expect CNf'nN to be kept up to date with the latest game news? They looked at the name and Google image'd. F*ckin... Please...

EDIT: Also, you're forgetting...

>HD Mario that actually looks pretty

THAT will move this console on it's own. Don't believe me? Look at the sales for the Red Wii bundled with NSMB.

But what your forgetting is all the third party titles are coming out on 360 and PS3 too so if you own one of them and you don't like mario and pikmin then what reason do you have to buy the wiiU. If your a casual gamer that bought the wii you have probably become more interested in facebook and iphone games and your wii is jsut gathering dust so why would they buy the wiiU.

If Nintendo want the core audience back then they need to make some first party titles that go out of there comfort zone at this point you are not going to win anymore core gamers with Mario, Zelda etc cause if they were interested they would be playing them right now, and nobody is going to be interested in picking it up for third party titles if it is going to become underpowered considerably in couple of years time when microsoft and sony release their new consoles.

Clearing the Eye:
Sadly, there is a startlingly large number of people claiming they will purchase the WiiU on release, regardless of any events leading to that time or the quality of the product itself. I personally see the item as little more than a larger DS and have no doubt in my mind that some time from now, the general opinion will be a mixture of disappointment and apathy--much the same as the 3DS and the Wii before it.

Why is people wanting to buy a console at launch a "sad" thing when they've shown an awesome launch and near launch line-up? I'm getting it because they've got Pikmin 3, ZombiU, AC3, Scribblenauts, an awesome looking Lego City game, Rayman Legends, Aliens: Colonial Marines, Darksiders 2, Arkham City, Metro Last Light and more coming out for it at launch or near launch. I'm also buying it because really, I'm a PC gamer at heart, so I don't want something that I can use to just play less graphically impressive ports of games I can get cheaper on the PC, which is why if the next Xbox or Playstation just stick to the same formula I'm not buying them. I want something new, innovative and fresh and I'm sure the industry needs something like that, that's why I'm getting the Wii U.

I swear I'm going to copy some of your posts to a notepad, save them for a year or two and then post right on your faces to shame you :)

I highly doubt WiiU will sell as much as Wii, but a flop? Never. Mark my words.

ToastiestZombie:

Clearing the Eye:
Sadly, there is a startlingly large number of people claiming they will purchase the WiiU on release, regardless of any events leading to that time or the quality of the product itself. I personally see the item as little more than a larger DS and have no doubt in my mind that some time from now, the general opinion will be a mixture of disappointment and apathy--much the same as the 3DS and the Wii before it.

Why is people wanting to buy a console at launch a "sad" thing when they've shown an awesome launch and near launch line-up? I'm getting it because they've got Pikmin 3, ZombiU, AC3, Scribblenauts, an awesome looking Lego City game, Rayman Legends, Aliens: Colonial Marines, Darksiders 2, Arkham City, Metro Last Light and more coming out for it at launch or near launch. I'm also buying it because really, I'm a PC gamer at heart, so I don't want something that I can use to just play less graphically impressive ports of games I can get cheaper on the PC, which is why if the next Xbox or Playstation just stick to the same formula I'm not buying them. I want something new, innovative and fresh and I'm sure the industry needs something like that, that's why I'm getting the Wii U.

You misread or misunderstood the context of my comment. I noted that it was sad in my opinion that "a startlingly large number of people [claim] they will purchase the WiiU on release, regardless of any events leading to that time or the quality of the product itself." To guarantee you will purchase a product regardless of any issues or developments between now and its release is to give into blind fanaticism. If you like what you see so far and am intending to purchase the console, I'm glad you have found a product you will perhaps enjoy. But of those admittingly ignorant and uncaring of quality and the future, I have little respect.

Here is why the Wii U will be the most successful console of the next generation:

- It will be the first to market by a long way
- It will be more powerful than this current generation. Thus for a time it will also be the technically superlative console.
- It will be cheaper than anything MS or Sony will produce, and it will make a profit, not a loss
- All the online, advanced motion control, media and high-def features will be fully integrated at the outset.
- Bizarre controllers and perhaps other surprise gimicks
- Backward compatibility with Wii games

The only reason the 360 is so popular is that it was the first console of its generation. It had a user base financially invested and a large games library before the others were even announced. Nintendo getting to market first this time is an absolutely genius move. They will have the loyal nintendo crowd, the parents/kids/casual crowd and will attract many of the hardcore gaming crowd too. 360 games have been old and clunky now for 3 years or more, tired rehashes of Unreal Engine 3 bollocks and many tens of thousands will be glad for the industry to move forward once again, myself included.

The only thing that may hurt the Big N, is that AFAIK the new console won't have blu ray, which many people by now are already invested in as their home entertainment format of choice. The media capabilities and, whether or not people or Nintendo like it, how easy it is to pirate/hack/homebrew/etc with will also play a major role in its success. It's launch lineup will largely be irrelevant I believe. As long as there are a handful of at least decent games, backward compatibility and the fact it'll be first to market make launch lineup much less relevant.

they have a head start with it. bt if its only slightly more advanced than current consoles then its going to hurt its long term viability.

regardless you wacky kids have fun with your x-wii stations.

* mutters about kids these days and goes back to a 12 yo turn based strategy game on the pc *

I think it'll be the wii over again,

they'll release it at an inevitably high price because of those tablet thingies,

a few casual gamers will buy it with a couple of games and then in about 6 months time when it goes down in price the rest will,

most of the hardcore audience wont buy it,

the 720 and Ps4 will get released,

depending on how ms/sony handle them most 360 owners will buy a 720 and most ps3 owners will buy the ps4,

the ps4 and 720 will have much higher hardware capability and most developers will focus on those,

the casual gamers wont buy many wii-u games and it'll bite nintendo in the ass

To me it just seems like a bigger, more powerful Nintendo DS, so the idea of it is definitely outdated...

OK OT, the problem is that you are thinking of the Wii U as a next gen console, when it is really the proper entry into THIS console generation by Nintendo.

DigitalAtlas:
Wii had some of the best games this gen.

Ha!

Wii-U will follow the same path of innovative ideas and using the tech well to make good games.

This isn't 2002 and a touch screen by itself isn't innovative anymore. Nintendo have yet to show me any reason that someone should be excited about this console.

FYI, I work in a RadioShack and you guys really have NOOOOO IDEA how fast tablets sell. This is going to make BIG MONEY.

I think most people do have an idea of how popular tablets are. And that's Nintendo's problem. Core gamers don't care about them and casual gamers are already buying them because they serve that market better than the Wii U could ever hope to since they aren't tied to a TV.

DigitalAtlas:
Soooooo.... You all really care that much about graphics? Haha don't play Xenoblade then.

Wii had some of the best games this gen. Wii-U will follow the same path of innovative ideas and using the tech well to make good games. But, you hate on it.

FYI, I work in a RadioShack and you guys really have NOOOOO IDEA how fast tablets sell. This is going to make BIG MONEY.

And hardware is only used for graphics, amirite?

On Topic: It will be fine, like the Wii. Why? Good first party titles and Nintendo brand.