Biodeamon: How abou stop paying every year for a new graphics card and just get a console? consoles update automitcally and usually free of charge.
Which console gives a similar graphical performance to the 7970? Just curious.
Say, if I want to play Fallout: New Vegas. Which console will make it look like it does on a PC with a 7970, or any other car from the past couple of years?
Come on, this thread is about a gaming rig build, not about console vs PC - the stated goals for the machine also include things you cannot do on any console (ie, not just games), so your comment is less than helpful.
To the OP, I personally would go with AMD, but it's more a general feeling - I've had good luck with them in the past, and seen too many victims of "fast, but hot and ultimately broken" Nvidia stuff, but perhaps I'm being unfairly biased.
I'll need to look up the S-IPS definition but certainly looks like you are on your way to a 3 way.
It is a little aggravating: I'm just about there with 16x9 everywhere. Then I go to see the Dark Knight in 2008 and the screen, during true IMAX was 4x3. I'm screaming at the screen, "I'm not going back!!!" 4x3 may be the future all over again! On the bright side, that was 4 years ago and my TVs and monitors still have full use.
I just started Civilization 4 though, and have to wonder if the settings would be better off at 4x3. Same with Sim Society. (Got through an RTS phase. Still getting in some Skyrim though.)
4:3 is the future! You just have to go into the past to find it :(
Though I may have 8% less total pixels than 1080P I have 120 more vertical pixels and it's damn useful for games like Sim City 4 and it makes reading web pages much easier. I'll sacrifice some width for a bit of extra height.
Though I'm pretty sure that if I want to up the vertical res again I'll have to go back to 16:9 and 16:10 as the only other monitors that are a higher res and 4:3 are CRT and I don't have the space for one of those. This monitor should last me a long time anyway.
...aaaannd que the incoming hate from the PC uber humanes. srsly guys.
It's not hate, they are just pointing out how utterly wrong you were. Updating a console is not the same as putting in a new GPU and it's silly to try and compare the 2.
...aaaannd que the incoming hate from the PC uber humanes. srsly guys.
The shining PC gaming master race is only too happy to call you out when you say something truly ridiculous. My PC makes the new consoles look second rate before they've even released.
As a processor for use in a low-cost gaming rig or home theater PC, the i3 2120 is more than adequate. Not that you can't overclock this little gem, but overclocking is seriously hampered by the locked multiplier on the CPU and lack of Turbo Boost technology support. The bclock can be bumped up for a small boost in performance on the CPU side of the chip. I was able to boost up the bclock to a fairly decent 105.8MHz to drive the processor speed up to 3492MHz - a 192MHz increase over the baseline 3300MHz. [...] The question is how many will take advantage of these overclocking options? Priced at $139, the Core i3 2120 comes in right at the same price point as the A8-3850 from AMD. Comparing the two together directly shows that Intel's architecture at that price point seems to be superior at just about every turn.
[...]Sporting two physical cores with Hyper-Threading support, the i3 2120 has proven itself to be a potent little performer against its direct competition. As a low cost, low power solution, it offers improved performance in applications used every day for compressing data and editing pictures or movies. Having few faults, the i3 is able to perform all the tasks asked of a modern multimedia PC for a low cost of entry.
This CPU was running along side an HD 6970 graphics card...
Yeah, they are saying it is value for money and is decent for general use, nothing more.
As a processor for use in a low-cost gaming rig or home theater PC, the i3 2120 is more than adequate
Tell me this, for someone who knows more about tech than 95% of people, why are you asking for help?
I'm not, i didnt say "please help!" im asking for opinions. I alerady know what graphics card im getting, im just looking for other opinions. As ive unintendedly expressed i am not a fan girl of any company or faction so im only looking for what suits me and purposes.
Tell me this, for someone who knows more about tech than 95% of people, why are you asking for help?
I'm not, i didnt say "please help!" im asking for opinions. I alerady know what graphics card im getting, im just looking for other opinions. As ive unintendedly expressed i am not a fan girl of any company or faction so im only looking for what suits me and purposes.
Tell me this, for someone who knows more about tech than 95% of people, why are you asking for help?
I'm not, i didnt say "please help!" im asking for opinions. I alerady know what graphics card im getting, im just looking for other opinions. As ive unintendedly expressed i am not a fan girl of any company or faction so im only looking for what suits me and purposes.
Yeah, you should look into that reading business.
"As a processor for use in a low-cost gaming rig"
You don't put a 7970 in a low cost gaming rig.
They put an Hd 6970 with it, last generations top of the line card. AMDs GTX 580... hmmmm
I'm not, i didnt say "please help!" im asking for opinions. I alerady know what graphics card im getting, im just looking for other opinions. As ive unintendedly expressed i am not a fan girl of any company or faction so im only looking for what suits me and purposes.
Yeah, you should look into that reading business.
"As a processor for use in a low-cost gaming rig"
You don't put a 7970 in a low cost gaming rig.
They put an Hd 6970 with it, last generations top of the line card. AMDs GTX 580... hmmmm
For someone who "knows more about tech than 95% of the tech population", it's odd that you don't know that AMD don't make the GTX 580.
And yes, the i3 is a low-budget part. Once you inevitably realise that you'll need a new processor, I suggest a 3--K instead.
Also, and I'm going to have to stop you there, because I've got two 580s, the 6970 was not, and never came close to being, last generation's top card.
I'm not, i didnt say "please help!" im asking for opinions. I alerady know what graphics card im getting, im just looking for other opinions. As ive unintendedly expressed i am not a fan girl of any company or faction so im only looking for what suits me and purposes.
Yeah, you should look into that reading business.
"As a processor for use in a low-cost gaming rig"
You don't put a 7970 in a low cost gaming rig.
They put an Hd 6970 with it, last generations top of the line card. AMDs GTX 580... hmmmm
Yeah, to make sure that the GPU wasn't the limit in the benchmark. I'm pretty sure that that is standard practice.
Because there are basic assumptions made about PC builds.
For example, no one on earth has ever bought a K-series Intel CPU and not bought a decent GPU to go along with it. As such, every 2--k and 3--k review has got a pretty beefed up GPU to go along with it.
Similarly, and here's where this applies to you. a weaker processor like that one will absolutely limit your system, especially considering what you're doing with it.
Did you even read that OCC conclusion? "Offers improved performance in applications used every day for compressing data and editing pictures or movies. Having few faults, the i3 is able to perform all the tasks asked of a modern multimedia PC for a low cost of entry."
When reviewing GPUs, test them out with various different CPUs to find out when the bottleneck occurs.
When reviewing CPUs, test them out with various different GPUs. It's not rocket science
FranBunnyFFXII: Many people seem to be treating this as though i will be holding onto the CPU for as long as possible which isnt the case. the CPU will eventually be swapped out with a more suitable IvyBridge LGA 1155 CPU later on as i feel the need for it and an willing to apply the funds after buying and contructing the intended multi screen display.
Swapping an Ivy into an MSI H61 mobo is a massive waste of power/money. The whole point of the Ivybridge is to combine it with the updated Z77 chipset. Which leads to the GPU...you are either upgrading your system completely, or you aren't. If you are, the 7970 is worthwhile. If not, the GTX670 is about as fast as you can get. This isn't really a subjective topic.
FranBunnyFFXII: Many people seem to be treating this as though i will be holding onto the CPU for as long as possible which isnt the case. the CPU will eventually be swapped out with a more suitable IvyBridge LGA 1155 CPU later on as i feel the need for it and an willing to apply the funds after buying and contructing the intended multi screen display.
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I've got a multi screen display. Didn't take all that long to construct. I pretty much set up my screens and plugged them in.
As @Fluoxetine said, if you're going IB, go IB from the start and get a Z chipset. Otherwise you're just throwing money away.
Im quite irritated at calling techsupport about my laptop for them to fix a problem in which ive already indentified, and as soon as theyt hear a female talking to them they treat me like an idiot, when infact i know more about the systems they are servicing than they do.
From my experience your gender got nothing to do with the treatment you get from tech support. Your knowledge is what's wrong in most cases. If you call texh support and believe you know the answer they will believe you're wrong no matter your gender or education. Doctors also do this a lot. The best way to approach tech support is pretending to be stupid. I told tech support once that the hard drive on my laptop was broken. I had to hand it in 4 times where they formated it twice and sent it back without doing anything once before they finally replaced the thing I had been telling them was broken all along. Tech support offers very little tech and very little support...
i just facepalmed so hard, i think i broke my nose. Really i cant beleive you just said that.
I can't believe I had to say it either. Maybe it's a good thing that tech support assumes you don't know anything?
No you troll ITS 100% OBIVIOUS I KNEW THAT THE AMD 6970 CHIPSET IS MANUFACTURED BY AVANCED MICRODEVICES AKA AMD, AND NOT BY nVIDIA.
NO THE LACK OF UNDERSTANDING IS YOURS.
I said "AMDs GTX 580" MEANING, "The Nvidia GeForce GTX 580 is the directly competeing card to AMD's Radeon HD 6970 graphics card"
this is across the spectrum and has been for some time.
HD 7970s competative card is the GTX 680 HD 7950's competative card is the GTX 670 HD 6970 = gtx 580 HD 6750 = gtx 570 soo on and so forth.
Do not mistake your lack of understanding of English for other peoples short commings. You completely and utterly missinterprated a simple phrase and turned around and trolled another user after doing so.
ITS 100% OBIVIOUS I KNEW THAT THE AMD 6970 CHIPSET IS MANUFACTURED BY AVANCED MICRODEVICES AKA AMD, AND NOT BY nVIDIA.
NO THE LACK OF UNDERSTANDING IS YOURS.
I said "AMDs GTX 580" MEANING, "The Nvidia GeForce GTX 580 is the directly competeing card to AMD's Radeon HD 6970 graphics card"
Do not mistake your lack of understanding of English for other peoples short commings. You completely and utterly missinterprated a simple phrase and turned around and trolled another user after doing so.
I'd like to congratulate you for a bile-filled post that blames your lack of a cohesive statement, poor spelling and ridiculous logic on "my lack of understanding of English"
When you say one thing, yet mean something entirely different, and then blame someone else for not having a clue what you mean, getting annoyed only weakens your position further.
OT: I stick by what I said. The i3 won't be enough for what you want to do.
ITS 100% OBIVIOUS I KNEW THAT THE AMD 6970 CHIPSET IS MANUFACTURED BY AVANCED MICRODEVICES AKA AMD, AND NOT BY nVIDIA.
You expanded the acronym AMD, you must be good with computers.
I don't pretend to know everything about PCs but it's clear you don't know as much as you'd like to think you do. And no offence but you need to brush up on your English, your posts are hard to read at times and you can't seem to read reviews, that, or you cherry pick a lot.
I'm with ResonanceSD (and everyone else) on this one.
OT: I stick by what I said. The i3 won't be enough for what you want to do.
So a benchmark repeated 3 times per CPU, and per resolution, per game, that conclusively shows that a core i5 2500k showed less than 1% improvement over a Core i3 2120 even when overclocked in live game tests, is completely irrelevant? A set of benchmarks which supports my statement means 100% nothing? None what so ever?
And before anyone wants to troll me about my deficiencies in language and typing, i suggest you research the neurological disorders called Dyspraxia and Dyslexia.
OT: I stick by what I said. The i3 won't be enough for what you want to do.
So a benchmark repeated 3 times per CPU, and per resolution, per game, that conclusively shows that a core i5 2500k showed less than 1% improvement over a Core i3 2120 even when overclocked in live game tests, is completely irrelevant? A set of benchmarks which supports my statement means 100% nothing? None what so ever?
And before anyone wants to troll me about my deficiencies in language and typing, i suggest you research the neurological disorders called Dyspraxia and Dyslexia.
Those disorders don't have the side effect of your being aggressive and rude, not to mention PCs have spell checkers in pretty much every program these days. Also, talking about your gender all the time as if it matters doesn't help things. I looked at your steam profile, there again "I'm a gurl gamer". I mean really, do you think people care about your gender?
Seriously, it makes no sense to go with an i3 and a H61 board at the start. Better off going for a Z77 board and a i5 3570K or a 2500K and overclocking it than having to replace both the CPU and the motherboard in the future.
Did you not read the conclusion of that review?
"As a processor for use in a low-cost gaming rig or home theater PC, the i3 2120 is more than adequate"
It's for a low end rig, not something you mix a 670 with.
FranBunnyFFXII: And before anyone wants to troll me about my deficiencies in language and typing, i suggest you research the neurological disorders called Dyspraxia and Dyslexia.
I'm gonna die. I'm gonna fucking die. I can't breathe. Laughing too fucking hard.
OT: I stick by what I said. The i3 won't be enough for what you want to do.
So a benchmark repeated 3 times per CPU, and per resolution, per game, that conclusively shows that a core i5 2500k showed less than 1% improvement over a Core i3 2120 even when overclocked in live game tests, is completely irrelevant? A set of benchmarks which supports my statement means 100% nothing? None what so ever?
And before anyone wants to troll me about my deficiencies in language and typing, i suggest you research the neurological disorders called Dyspraxia and Dyslexia.
Those disorders don't have the side effect of your being aggressive and rude, not to mention PCs have spell checkers in pretty much every program these days. Also, talking about your gender all the time as if it matters doesn't help things. I looked at your steam profile, there again "I'm a gurl gamer". I mean really, do you think people care about your gender?
Seriously, it makes no sense to go with an i3 and a H61 board at the start. Better off going for a Z77 board and a i5 3570K or a 2500K and overclocking it than having to replace both the CPU and the motherboard in the future.
Did you not read the conclusion of that review?
"As a processor for use in a low-cost gaming rig or home theater PC, the i3 2120 is more than adequate"
It's for a low end rig, not something you mix a 670 with.
Notice how having a good CPU gives you tangible gains in games, amongst other things?
I actually want to see someone stick a 670 into that benchmark setup because I guarantee the i3/670 will put out the exact same fps as the i3/6970 whereas the i5/670 will take off like a rocket.
Those benchmarks are proving the limitations of the 6970 in the budget pc, not showing off the i3 as having super powers.
I actually want to see someone stick a 670 into that benchmark setup because I guarantee the i3/670 will put out the exact same fps as the i3/6970 whereas the i5/670 will take off like a rocket.
Those benchmarks are proving the limitations of the 6970 in the budget pc, not showing off the i3 as having super powers.
I think we don't have much hope of getting through to this one.
If she wants to a waste cash on creating a bottleneck then go ahead.
rhizhim: your debate will become a dilemma since you wont really get a right answer.
i have XFX HD6870 it is cheap but not what i expected.
What were you expecting to get?
well a chocolate milkshake and a handshake from a mayor made of chocolate.
what do you think? a decent to better graphics card.
i might have some manufacturing problem because it sometimes doesnt work right. (glitches and stuff)
edit: sorry. i have expected a card that could run without glitching and to be able to play with good graphic settings other that normal or low. in short this:
rhizhim: your debate will become a dilemma since you wont really get a right answer.
i have XFX HD6870 it is cheap but not what i expected.
What were you expecting to get?
well a chocolate milkshake and a handshake from a mayor made of chocolate.
what do you think? a decent to better graphics card.
i might have some manufacturing problem because it sometimes doesnt work right. (glitches and stuff)
edit: sorry. i have expected a card that could run without glitching and to be able to play with good graphic settings other that normal or low. in short this:
might be due my lazy ass hard drive..
Are you sure it's not just Skyrim being Skyrim? My 7850 runs it at 60 fps solid yet the game looks really choppy and stuttery.
...aaaannd que the incoming hate from the PC uber humanes. srsly guys.