Gamers over 20 "You're weird"

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http://www.destructoid.com/playing-videogames-at-20-years-old-is-not-normal--229614.phtml

Jesus. If you say "I have no expertise in this" like in here and the SOPA hearings, you should be laughed out of society then forced to watch your stupidity Clockwork style till you realize how fucking stupid you were.

These people probably know they shouldn't be speaking at these things, they are generally either on some sort of irrational moral crusade to be right at any cost or paid to appear by special interest groups to represent their opinion.

In either situation, they're not really going to care that they're wrong.

I don't care enough to get angry nor say naughty words.

The fact is, people come home from work at age twenty+ and watch movies or television. I see interacting with your media being no different.

...is not normal for a man in his 20's.

AH HA!! but they didn't mention female now did they? which means I get away completly normal!

societys double standards bitches!!

on a more serious note, this is one of the more "what the fuck?" things I;ve read...not really worth getting worked up over though

Well that was.....erm.....um.....enlightening...?

Besides, what can I say? Ignorant person says something ignorant.

They're trying to prove that he is criminally insane and has issues discerning from video games and reality. At a guess this comes from a greater context where they're trying to say that the level of obsession to take the world as real isn't normal in a 20 year old. Although that's also pretty ignorant, you can't blame someone for not knowing the lengths that people get into WoW. I highly doubt they're trying to prove that video games made him kill, they're just using his obsession with video games to prove a point.

That's not actually what was said and I really wish this hadn't become so publicized... although the reason why it did is clear: controversy = add revenue.

If we're talking about the same psychologist what he actually said was more along the lines of 'interacting exclusively with people in games is not normal social interaction', which is correct. There's a big difference between talking with a person face to face and locking yourself in your room devoid of almost all human contact, as Brevik apparently did, and communicating purely through the internet and games.

It was a mistranslation that's since gotten big all over teh internets as everyone does the typical defensive kneejerk reactionary thing.

Eug.

Yeah, aside from the fact that the average age of a gamer in Australia is about 24? the article seems to have been trying to imply the rather old and unproven argument that "gaming will turn you into a mass murderer" I see that article is trying to use gaming as an excuse for rationalising behaviour, not true fellas, try again.

I will inform my friends. I will inform 5+ lawyers, several engineers, a biochemist, two software engineers, a secretary, a physical therapist, two housewives and so on, males and females, ages 22-30. I will also inform my 67-year old father that his time spent with Heroes of Might and Magic 3, Warcraft 2 and Starcraft are signs of being "weird"...

The Madman:

If we're talking about the same psychologist what he actually said was more along the lines of 'interacting exclusively with people in games is not normal social interaction', which is correct.

It may not be normal, but it's not inherently wrong either, which is what it seems the prosecution lawyers are trying to prove atm.

Either way it's pretty retarded.

I have no expertise on psychology, but the man is wrong.

But please, tell me more about how I am not a normal regular everyday guy.
I am taking an education, I am in a committed relationship, I have a lot of friends and i go out every now and then.

I'm waiting for Fox News to hire this guy as their senior psychological analyst. He'd fit right in with their right-wing brainwashing agenda.

Ok that is just stupid since the reason why gaming had been far more popular than it was in the 80's or 90's is the because the said group took a interest in gaming. Therefore he pretty much calling almost everyone not normal.

I'm more upset by Destructoid's annoyingly distracting ad for Pizza Hut.

But, yeah, this whole thing with Breivik and his gaming habits have becoming totally farcical. It's sad, but, there ya go.

What is normal, though, is people like this expressing opinion on a medium the don't have the smallest sliver of understanding about. It has happened to every single entertainment medium throughout history. It's like these people are begging to become the laughing stock of the next generation.

I'm 43. Playing games is my preferred form of entertainment, it has been all my life. It did not prevent me from getting an engineering degree, marrying, having a son, and generally leading a productive life. Go figure.

The Madman:
That's not actually what was said

Yes, it was - try reading Destructoid's resource EDGE.

Breivik has previously discussed using Call Of Duty as a rehearsal sandbox for his attack plans. The most recent round of expert testimony concerns the year-long sabbatical Breivik took between the summers of 2006 and 2007, which he spent playing World Of Warcraft full-time, or roughly 16 hours a day, from a room in his Mother's Oslo flat.

In response to Judge Elizabeth Arntzen inquiry whether interviews with one of Breivik's acquaintances in WOW supported their view of a personal breakdown, psychiatrist Synne Sørheim responded: "We feel that playing a lot of computer games gives the impression of a working cognitive function. It is however, something completely different to relate to something in real life, have committed relationships to other people, arrange meetings, go to work in the morning, have a healthy relationship with a girlfriend, or having common social skills."

So far, somewhat agreeable, right?

When the judge asked whether Breivik's behaviour during this period might be described as gaming addiction, Sørheim tooks the opportunity to say what she really thinks: "I would still like to point out that sitting alone in your room and playing games, no matter what the scope of the matter, call it addiction or whatnot, is not normal for a man in his 20's."

While it's not surprising to hear that many older individuals continue to cling to the stereotype of videogames being an aberrant interest, it should be noted that Sørheim admitted to the judge moments earlier, "We have no form of expertise when it comes to computer games."

This is where her agenda becomes very damn clear. Who is the "we" she is referring to, also? It's quite possible special interest groups are being represented here.

Most interesting for me has been Breivik's earlier response;

Some people like to play golf, some like to sail, I played WOW. It had nothing to do with 22 July. It's not a world you are engulfed by. It's simply a hobby. WOW is only a fantasy game, which is not violent at all. It's just fantasy. It's a strategy game. You co-operate with a lot of others to overcome challenges. That's why you do it. It's a very social game. Half of the time you are connected in communication with others. It would be wrong to consider it an antisocial game.

is not normal for a man in his 20's

I'm in my 30's, i'm safe.

Rawne1980:

is not normal for a man in his 20's

I'm in my 30's, i'm safe.

Whereas I am exactly 20. The madness begins...

Pssst... did you hear? The internet is also made out of tubes!

Just another brick in the wall of people discussing things they have no clue about.

Vault101:

...is not normal for a man in his 20's.

AH HA!! but they didn't mention female now did they? which means I get away completly normal!

societys double standards bitches!!

on a more serious note, this is one of the more "what the fuck?" things I;ve read...not really worth getting worked up over though

And I'm still 16 so I don't come under category either! Suck it 20 year old males!

I've always wondered about this, but what's the score on adult males watching films by themselves? Is it just solo video games that make you a murderer?

I watch a lot of foreign stuff by myself because my flatmate refuses to read subtitles so is that weird too? When I watch porn it's almost always by myself as masturbation isn't exactly a spectator sport, so is that abnormal, too?

I look forward to becoming the older generation, so a lot of these hilarious myths can finally die out.

I'm not 20 (almost there!) but I fully accept that I am weird. Embrace it even. If I'm normal, I have no potential. I cannot become great, because to do so would not be normal. If I'm weird, I can do whatever, I have unlimited potential.

Guess id better stop gaming now im twenty!

I didn't know entertainment had a age limit, phew im glad someone warned me before i became not 'normal' i suppose ill just turn to tv now, i hear Jeremy kyle is the shizzle!

I do hate judge judy though.

NORMAL! Its normal to enjoy real peoples suffering! Yay im Normal WOOOOOO.

Lucky i didnt show a saw video.

Rawne1980:

is not normal for a man in his 20's

I'm in my 30's, i'm safe.

Man, this sucks. I have to wait another 9 years before I can play video games and be considered normal. I hate being in my early twenties...

Surely for it to be abnormal it must be out of the ordinary...which it isn't, considering the apparent average age for a gamer is 37, and kids are always the ones seen as playing games, which means there's even more adults playing than kids.

Why are these fools all so eager to get Breivik commited on something as weak as playing videogames.

The maximum penalty over there may only be 21 years in a luxury hotel, but if he's commited instead, then he can also be "cured"(not insane afteral, just evil/ultra-nationalistic) and released.

I wonder if it is normal for us women in their 20's to play games then?

On a related note, working as a RN in psychiatry, I can tell you that many psychiatists have plenty of opinions on what is "normal" and what is not and most of the time they can't agree on what is what. Being a psychiatrist or psychologist does not make you an unfailing authority on the human brain or psyche, it only means you are trained in the diagnosis and treatment of psychiatric problems (psychiatrist) or trained in theurapethic methods to resolve psychological problems (psychologists). Just look at how APA (American Psychiatric Association) is currently divided in two camps on whatever gaming (and mmos in particular) is dangerous, with one side thinking it is harmless and the other thinking games cause psychological impairment with neither side having enough conclusive evidence to be proven right.

Why do we let old people without the necessary knowledge and understanding decide about things like these? The average gamer is 37 for crying out loud? Gaming is just another form of entertainment. If people aren't ruined by movies and TV shows by now, they won't be ruined by video games. 99% of video games actually reward players for doing good deeds.

Well, I am weird. But it's more to do with what I hide at the back of my fridge than the video games I play.

I'm a 22 year old woman, am I fine or twice as abnormal?

Still, I'm not upset by this. Neither I nor any gamer I know has ever been under the impression that they were normal in the first place.

See its already established that im weird. I have a reputation of being weird and i like it that way

I'm still working on getting the psychopath image though.....

Idiots, all of them. "Sitting in a room alone playing games is not normal" but "sitting in a room alone watching television" is ?
Fuck off. At least I'm not melting my brain watching inane sitcoms and retarded commercials. I remember when I was at school between 16 and 18 (we call that "middle School" in belgium), me and my group of friends had the label "gamers". That obviously meant we lacked social skill in their minds and often were told by idiot girls to "get a life" or that we were "losers". We didn't care ofcourse, because they were those shallow types of person who were only interested in in clubbing and stuff like that. I'm sure when they said "get a life" they meant " Have my life, because if more people have my lifestyle, that means all the choices I have done are good ? Right ? ".

I'm 20 now and so are my group of friends. I'm studying Biomedical Sciences, Another friend is studying kinetic physical therapy, another friend is studying Medicine and I could go on. We go out sometimes and we all managed to get girlfriends at one point.

Those girls are also 20, they have to get a low end job, one of them got pregnant at 16, all of them have failed at school. Their boyfriends are all dicks. Yeah, i'm the loser.

I don't get why people think that "playing videogames" automatically means "lacking social skills". I talk a lot and have no problem meeting people. I just don't like inane conversations and I never "talk for the sake of talking" if I have nothing interesting to say.

I'm sorry, I went on a rant, but stuff like this really grinds my balls. If playing videogames is immature, well then I suppose being immature is a lot more fun when you're an adult.

Gethsemani:
I wonder if it is normal for us women in their 20's to play games then?

On a related note, working as a RN in psychiatry, I can tell you that many psychiatists have plenty of opinions on what is "normal" and what is not and most of the time they can't agree on what is what. Being a psychiatrist or psychologist does not make you an unfailing authority on the human brain or psyche, it only means you are trained in the diagnosis and treatment of psychiatric problems (psychiatrist) or trained in theurapethic methods to resolve psychological problems (psychologists). Just look at how APA (American Psychiatric Association) is currently divided in two camps on whatever gaming (and mmos in particular) is dangerous, with one side thinking it is harmless and the other thinking games cause psychological impairment with neither side having enough conclusive evidence to be proven right.

I'm guessing the interest in MMO's is due to the "life consuming" nature? while I think its easy to get addicted I don't like being put into that group

I mean *shock horror* I have a full time job, and I play as many games as I do because of that job...because I can afford them

I just don't see how me gaming now and again can cause "psychological impairment"....I mean this isn't Voodoo...

yes it is true. i do not have a functioning private life.
and i only survived this long because i bit the bytes in desperation and hunger.

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