Skyrim Hearth Fire DLC Leak

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http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1404578-i-found-out-what-heartfire-is-about/

So apparently derptemp6698, the guy who leaked info about two Mass effect DLCs, and was right on both accounts, has claimed to have gotten information about Skyrim's next DLc HEarthfire.

"Hearthfire™, the next official game-add on for The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim®, has arrived. For the first time in the Elder Scrolls universe, purchase land and build your own home from the ground up - from a simple one-room cottage to a sprawling compound complete with armory, alchemy laboratory, trophy room, and more! With Hearthfire, the possibilities of what you can build are endless."

Is it true? maybe
Is it fake? maybe

but if it is real... all I can say is.... BOUT DAMN TIME BETHESDA.

This is already done with modding, is it not?

Hopefully spell making can be re-introduced as well.

I remember reading that Bethesda had trademarked the name so its not that far off to believe. I was hoping for something a bit more substantial, hopefully this will just be a small cheap dlc package.

Oh um so I can buy something that I can get in a mod for free? Great.

endtherapture:
Oh um so I can buy something that I can get in a mod for free? Great.

This.
Now maybe if this was PART of a larger DLC then fine.

But didn't Bethesda say they were aiming for large DLC's with a lot of content? This is a step in the wrong direction.

If this is true I'll be mighty disappoint.

endtherapture:
Oh um so I can buy something that I can get in a mod for free? Great.

I really hate it wen people try to use the "MODS ARE FREE" excuse.

You can get everything for free via mods. Shivering isles could be done for free via mods.

Does that mean Shivering Isles isn't worth the price? no.

With the mods are free excuse literally nothing Bethesda dos is worth buying... except it is.

Saviordd1:

This
Now maybe if this was PART of a larger DLC then fine.

But didn't Bethesda say they were aiming for large DLC's with a lot of content? This is a step in the wrong direction.

If this is true I'll be mighty disappoint.

Bethesda said they would be doing DLC of various sizes and various price points.

Some DLC will be as expensive as dawnguard, some will be less, some could be more.

SajuukKhar:

endtherapture:
Oh um so I can buy something that I can get in a mod for free? Great.

I really hate it wen people try to use the "MODS ARE FREE" excuse.

You can get everything for free via mods. Shivering isles could be done for free via mods.

does that mean Shivering Isles isn't worth the price? no.

Well this just isn't worth it is it? You can build a house. A buggy house probably. I probably do better with mods. Why would I need this DLC?

endtherapture:
Well this just isn't worth it is it? You can build a house. A buggy house probably. I probably do better with mods. Why would I need this DLC?

You could do everything better with mods, because modders lack the time or money constraints that Bethesda does.

why bother buying ANY DLC?
shivering Isles? WORTHLESS MODS DO IT FORE FREE
Knights of the Nine? WORTHLESS MODS DO IT FORE FREE
any of the Fallout 3/New vegas DLC? WORTHLESS MODS DO IT FORE FREE

If you bought Shivering Isles for Oblivion I must ask why.

Saying mods could do it for less is like saying god could do it for less, yes its true, but it really isn't an argument.

SajuukKhar:

endtherapture:
Oh um so I can buy something that I can get in a mod for free? Great.

I really hate it wen people try to use the "MODS ARE FREE" excuse.

You can get everything for free via mods. Shivering isles could be done for free via mods.

Does that mean Shivering Isles isn't worth the price? no.

With the mods are free excuse literally nothing Bethesda dos is worth buying... except it is.

Do you just not see the difference between selling what amounts to a glorified house mod which has already been done versus selling a complete set of new lands, quests, enemies and NPCs at a level to which not very many mods actually aspire, or are you just being deliberately obtuse?

Sounds cool but I wasn't expecting them to release DLC like this. I was under the impression that Bethesda were only planning to do expansion sized DLC for Skyim. And if this is the second and last timed exclusive for XBL then... that's a bit of a disappointment. Oh well, I've always wanted the ability to have more choice over my homes in TES games. I guess it won't be bad as a piece of DLC.

SajuukKhar:

endtherapture:
Well this just isn't worth it is it? You can build a house. A buggy house probably. I probably do better with mods. Why would I need this DLC?

You could do everything better with mods, because modders lack the time or money constraints that Bethesda does.

why bother buying ANY DLC?
shivering Isles? WORTHLESS MODS DO IT FORE FREE
Knights of the Nine? WORTHLESS MODS DO IT FORE FREE
any of the Fallout 3/New vegas DLC? WORTHLESS MODS DO IT FORE FREE

If you bought Shivering Isles for Oblivion I must ask why.

I got the GOTYE editions of those games so yeah I didn't really buy any DLC. And I'm not buying the Skyrim DLC until it's really cheap.

Part of the reason for this DLC when there is already a mod, would be that there are a lot of people that have Skyrim on console and therefore can't use mods but can buy DLC so this will give them the option of creating their own house if they think its worth the price.

evilneko:
Do you just not see the difference between selling what amounts to a glorified house mod which has already been done versus selling a complete set of new lands, quests, enemies and NPCs at a level to which not very many mods actually aspire, or are you just being deliberately obtuse?

Can you point to were it was stated that homes are the only thing this mod provides?

Homes are to Hearthfrie what Vampire Lord form is to Dawnguard, it isn't the only thing.

SajuukKhar:

evilneko:
Do you just not see the difference between selling what amounts to a glorified house mod which has already been done versus selling a complete set of new lands, quests, enemies and NPCs at a level to which not very many mods actually aspire, or are you just being deliberately obtuse?

Can you point to were it was stated that homes are the only thing this mod provides?

Homes are to Hearthfrie what Vampire Lord form is to Dawnguard, it isn't the only thing.

Point me to where it says that.

No reason to assume there's any more to it at this time. Two words: Horse Armor.

evilneko:
Point me to where it says that.

No reason to assume there's any more to it at this time. Two words: Horse Armor.

Lets look at the Dawnguard description shall we?

"Dawnguard™ is the first official game add-on for The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim® - the 2011 Game of the Year. The Vampire Lord Harkon has returned to power. By using the Elder Scrolls, he seeks to do the unthinkable - to end the sun itself. Will you join the ancient order of the Dawnguard and stop him? Or will you become a Vampire Lord yourself? Featuring an all new faction questline and locations, the ultimate choice will be yours."

No mention of all the new shouts, weapons, armor, the useable boats, the Flamer, the Dwemer stuff, the face changing, werewolf perk trees... you know... like 90% of the content. It only mentions the very core details of the DLC.

Also they did horse armor, once... and they have done like 10 DLC since then, and none of them have been like horse armor. If horse armor was something they did more then one time, you would have a point, but they haven't.

Not everybody plays on a PC guys so not everybody could can use mods.

All this "OMG THIS IZ POINTLESS I CAN JUST USE MODZ" talk is silly and childish.

What is also interesting is that Bethesda added verlet physics support in the game awhile back.

Verlet physics controls stuff like realistic cape/cloth movements, flail weapons, bendable trees, and the fat giant showed in the gamejam video.

SajuukKhar:

evilneko:
Point me to where it says that.

No reason to assume there's any more to it at this time. Two words: Horse Armor.

Lets look at the Dawnguard description shall we?

"Dawnguard™ is the first official game add-on for The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim® - the 2011 Game of the Year. The Vampire Lord Harkon has returned to power. By using the Elder Scrolls, he seeks to do the unthinkable - to end the sun itself. Will you join the ancient order of the Dawnguard and stop him? Or will you become a Vampire Lord yourself? Featuring an all new faction questline and locations, the ultimate choice will be yours."

No mention of all the new shouts, weapons, armor, the useable boats, the Flamer, the Dwemer stuff, the face changing, werewolf perk trees... you know... like 90% of the content. It only mentions the very core details of the DLC.

Also they did horse armor, once... and they have done like 10 DLC since then, and none of them have been like horse armor. If horse armor was something they did more then one time, you would have a point, but they haven't.

Now I know you're just being deliberately obtuse.

evilneko:
Now I know you're just being deliberately obtuse.

Or I am just using Bethesda's past DLC descriptions to make a realistic assumption that houses are not the only thing in this DLC.

Using a companies past actions to determine future results? THE HORROR!!!

SajuukKhar:

evilneko:
Now I know you're just being deliberately obtuse.

Or I am just using Bethesda's past DLC descriptions to make a realistic assumption that houses are not the only thing in this DLC.

Using a companies past actions to determine future results? THE HORROR!!!

Perhaps someone else will explain it to you.

evilneko:
Perhaps someone else will explain it to you.

Right.....

I don't see how I was being unnecessarily insensitive.

I was just pointing out that Bethesda never gives an even remotely detailed description of what is in the DLC, thus it is unreasonable to assume hoe building is the only thing in the DLC.

I really hate it wen people try to use the "MODS ARE FREE" excuse.

You can get everything for free via mods. Shivering isles could be done for free via mods.

Does that mean Shivering Isles isn't worth the price? no.

With the mods are free excuse literally nothing Bethesda dos is worth buying... except it is.

Your argument is hugely flawed for two very specific reasons

1). Their is no mod that is even close to being anything like Shivering Isles, the closest was that lost spires mod but that had zero voice work.
2). From the info we have about this 'Hearthfire' it is seems that the DLC is in fact exactly identical to this mod here http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/18480

so until we hear something about 'Hearthfire' that actually tells it it is a bit more than build your own home then this statement

Oh um so I can buy something that I can get in a mod for free? Great.

is currently true.

Laughing Man:

Your argument is hugely flawed for two very specific reasons

1). Their is no mod that is even close to being anything like Shivering Isles, the closest was that lost spires mod but that had zero voice work.
2). From the info we have about this 'Hearthfire' it is seems that the DLC is in fact exactly identical to this mod here http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/18480

so until we hear something about 'Hearthfire' that actually tells it it is a bit more than build your own home then this statement

Oh um so I can buy something that I can get in a mod for free? Great.

is currently true.

1. Well your point 1 is actually something I also regularly use to call out the "MODS DO IT FOR FREE" people, as to why mods are worth it. And I was talking more about the actual content, not the voice acting which can be replaced with text easily.

2. Just because there isn't currently doesn't mean it isn't possible, why not ask someone to make it and wait if people care about free DLC so much?

3. It isn't like that mod because its an official product, would have voice acting, has no chance of not working because of an update, or being abandoned by the creation, furthermore it has actual support.

So its like the mod, but with an inherently higher quality. Which is what DLC normally is, mods with more quality.

Laughing Man:

I really hate it wen people try to use the "MODS ARE FREE" excuse.

You can get everything for free via mods. Shivering isles could be done for free via mods.

Does that mean Shivering Isles isn't worth the price? no.

With the mods are free excuse literally nothing Bethesda dos is worth buying... except it is.

Your argument is hugely flawed for two very specific reasons

1). Their is no mod that is even close to being anything like Shivering Isles, the closest was that lost spires mod but that had zero voice work.
2). From the info we have about this 'Hearthfire' it is seems that the DLC is in fact exactly identical to this mod here http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/18480

so until we hear something about 'Hearthfire' that actually tells it it is a bit more than build your own home then this statement

Oh um so I can buy something that I can get in a mod for free? Great.

is currently true.

Well then if you have the game on PC don't buy it. Simple as that. This will be for console users. And more than likely it'll have much more stuff, and a lot of detail.

SajuukKhar:

endtherapture:
Oh um so I can buy something that I can get in a mod for free? Great.

I really hate it wen people try to use the "MODS ARE FREE" excuse.

You can get everything for free via mods. Shivering isles could be done for free via mods.

Does that mean Shivering Isles isn't worth the price? no.

With the mods are free excuse literally nothing Bethesda dos is worth buying... except it is.

Saviordd1:

This
Now maybe if this was PART of a larger DLC then fine.

But didn't Bethesda say they were aiming for large DLC's with a lot of content? This is a step in the wrong direction.

If this is true I'll be mighty disappoint.

Bethesda said they would be doing DLC of various sizes and various price points.

Some DLC will be as expensive as dawnguard, some will be less, some could be more.

yes but this is already a mod.Build your own house. The Shivering Isles wasn't. Hopefully though, there will be more to the DLC than that and that is just a feature of the DLC.

The_Lost_King:

yes but this is already a mod.Build your own house. The Shivering Isles wasn't.

Various part of SI were, combine enough free mods and you'll get just as much, if not more content, ALL FOR FREE!!!

why pay for content when you can get more content then DLC can provide for free via mods? am i right?

but i....already have this mod....

Everyone is forgetting.....you can't play mods on the 360 version....because that's probably the only platform Beth will release it on! ZING!

Ghostwise:
Everyone is forgetting.....you can't play mods on the 360 version....because that's probably the only platform Beth will release it on! ZING!

No, the DLC comes out on all platforms.

Hearthfire also sounds like a good time to add season foliage.

SajuukKhar:

The_Lost_King:

yes but this is already a mod.Build your own house. The Shivering Isles wasn't.

Various part of SI were, combine enough free mods and you'll get just as much, if not more content, ALL FOR FREE!!!

why pay for content when you can get more content then DLC can provide for free via mods? am i right?

A bunch of mods that you would have to find and put together and you would ultimately come up with a lesser experience not to mention a buggier one. Plus I doubt any mods actually did the story of the shivering isles or actually, you know took you to the shivering isles. yeah I look it up on the nexus and no mods actually made the shivering isles. Hearthfire is one dlc that copies a mod that can easily be found because it is the 77th on the top 100 mods on the nexus.

Hi. PS3 owner here. STILL waiting on Dawnguard, and if this manages to come out before then, I'm uninstalling Skyrim.

SajuukKhar:

Ghostwise:
Everyone is forgetting.....you can't play mods on the 360 version....because that's probably the only platform Beth will release it on! ZING!

No, the DLC comes out on all platforms.

I guess that went over your head a bit. It sure will....at least on PC for sure, after about a months or so. PS3? Who knows? Where is Dawnguard at on the PS3? Right.......

Sniper Team 4:
Hi. PS3 owner here. STILL waiting on Dawnguard, and if this manages to come out before then, I'm uninstalling Skyrim.

So you would rather have them release it now and have the same issue Skyrim first had with the Ps3, instead of having them work on it and make sure its fully optimized for it then?

endtherapture:

I got the GOTYE editions of those games so yeah I didn't really buy any DLC. And I'm not buying the Skyrim DLC until it's really cheap.

I really wish the Gotye edition was a real thing, where there were new Dark Brotherhood missions where you got close to your prey by painting yourself to blend in with abstract art and then stabbing him in the back while moaning that he's now just somebody that you used to know.

On a serious note, I wish bethesda would throw out a couple crappy free mods like they did with Morrowind (Here's AoE arrows! Here's a quest to find a random lost helmet!) This mod seems like something that could be thrown together in no time, so why not do it free as a piece of goodwill? And then release it to PS3 owners first!

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