Dead Space 3 Needs 5 Million Sales Or Franchise Goes Bust, Says EA

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ScrabbitRabbit:

krazykidd:
Wait wait ... Do they need to sell 5 million copies? Or make 5 million dollors in profit ? Because what you title says and what the OP says are two different things . There is no way DS3 is selling 5 million copies so if that's what they are aimin for , they are screwed . 5 million dollors in profit is possible though , but still a Pretty high number . Exactly how many copies of the games needs to be sold to generate 5 million dollars in profit?

It needs to sell 5 million copies.

At £40 per copy, that's about £200, 000, 000 they're expecting to make overall. At $60 that's $300, 000, 000

They're boned, I know.

I feel I should add that all of that wont go to EA. Still, they are asking for a lot here.

I guess this is their way of confirming that we wont ever see Dead Space 4. Seeing the nasty turn into Gears of War happening with Dead Space 3 this might be for the best.

Still looking forward to Dead Space 3, unrealistic expectations for sales or not. I hope they change their mind about cutting it off, but it's their loss if they don't. They also better not put a cliff hanger in DS3's ending if that's the case. It wouldn't be the first time EA was talking bullshit. *Cough* Sales cheapen IP *Cough* So yeah, I wouldn't take Dead Space disappearing for granted just yet.

I will buy it eventually, when its cheap or on sale for like $30, it looks like a alright game, for $30 anyway : D

Sounds like they are setting the bar impossibly high so when they sake the developers they can say "we gave you a chance" pretty much there way of covering there ass and trying to make them seem less of an asshole for asking them, but don't worry i think we all still view them as assholes.

Are they kidding? Breaking 5 million copies as a basic expectation is insane for a single game like this. WHY are they demanding such drastic sales numbers? Was their budget really that high? If so, that's EA's problem not everyone else's problem. CONTROL YOUR FUCKING BUDGETS. If you are too wasteful to make a game that can break even after a million copies sold then maybe its time to start looking at ways to improve. Truly great games and Innovation are a matter of trusting your developers, you can't just throw money/marketing at a problem.

Ea has already stated they want to make Dead Space 'more accessible' i.e. less survival horror, more watered down and homogenized. Their intent was already to turn this into mass-market shlock to feed the lowest common denominator and now they are going to axe the series if it doesn't sell like a mega-hit?

There are very few games that sell over 5 million lifetime, never-mind in the short timescale EA would demand to keep the lights on. If it really is a test for the franchise then it would take over a year to get the final sales number this meaning it really needs to sell 5 million copies in the first few weeks 0_o

The 'jurnalists' over at IGN once asked why people hate EA. Well here you are you cock-smoking hacks. Take a good look.

Well DS3 seems good as any to end the franchise. Hope Visceral move onto new and exciting things!

Hopefully never ever working with EA ever again.

kman123:
Well DS3 seems good as any to end the franchise. Hope Visceral move onto new and exciting things!

Hopefully never ever working with EA ever again.

It's like EA is trying to kill Visceral. They give them an almost impossible demand and end a milked franchise (possibly also done by EA rather than Visceral) and they might possibly destroy Visceral money-wise if they decide to leave them.

On the one hand, I hate the idea that EA would kill a series if it's not obnoxiously successful as opposed to merely really successful.

On the other hand, three games is a good place for a series like Dead Space to end. It doesn't need to go on any longer than that.

Honestly though, isn't 3 games enough for any series?

How about some new ideas?

You mean if Dead Space 3 doesn't sell an arbitrary amount then the fourth (and inevitably terrible) sequel will never be released??!!

Oh no say it isn't so

Doesn't matter how good a franchise is, if you can't get a decent story out in the first 3 installments you don't deserve a fourth attempt.

Of course that would be assuming that EA isn't just creating the 3rd game and releasing these ridiculous sales requirements just because they want a shit ton of cash... oh wait

And I'm sure the measured and calm response from the Escapist forums won't at all paint EA as some sort of hybrid of Tyrell and Weyland-Yutani.

As for the news story...

I dunno. It sounds like a bit of a big target, but on the other hand they've made three games and it has yet to reach the sort of numbers that long running franchises like FF, ME or MW have (OMG.) Everyone is looking for the big numbers, and although Dead Space had the potential to be one of those mega-sellers, it's never quite made it. It just kind of sits there with a very respectable user base and some favourable reviews not doing much else. It hasn't spawned talks of a big-budget movie, it hasn't been in contention for most people's Game of the Year, it hasn't had widespread media coverage outside of the gaming world (a la Mass Effect, Modern Warfare)

Under the circumstances I think 3 games is probably quite a good run for any series. Trilogies are nice, they can be wrapped up neatly, and they provide enough for people to go back and play through again.

Gone Rampant:
"Dead Space" will be cancelled if Dead Space 3 does not make $5 Million.
Look, if you still don't get it, EA will kill the Dead Space franchise if 5 million copies aren't sold, even though both of the previous games averaged 2 million and got decent reviews from Yahtzee.

1. This is old news.
2. Sort your shit out please, you contradict yourself in your original post a lot.

krazykidd:
Wait wait ... Do they need to sell 5 million copies? Or make 5 million dollors in profit ? Because what you title says and what the OP says are two different things . There is no way DS3 is selling 5 million copies so if that's what they are aimin for , they are screwed . 5 million dollors in profit is possible though , but still a Pretty high number . Exactly how many copies of the games needs to be sold to generate 5 million dollars in profit?

Ignoring the OPs schizophrenic post, EA wants Dead Space 3 to shift 5 million units, this was reported last month (possibly the month before) here on The Escapist.

Good, let it die if it is no longer going to be Dead Space. I am not interested in playing Gears of War 5. I also hope Ea gets hurt by the failure this brings, just one step closer to this nightmare ending.

Scrumpmonkey:
Are they kidding? Breaking 5 million copies as a basic expectation is insane for a single game like this. WHY are they demanding such drastic sales numbers?

Probably to breakeven over the extra cost it takes to give the third game all those "EPIC Moments" they added.

... Why is this a problem, I dont get it. Dead space 3 will surely break that number of copies sold, why are your all whinning...

Gone Rampant:
EA will kill the Dead Space franchise if 5 million copies aren't sold, even though both of the previous games averaged 2 million

Oh.

They sold so little? I thougt DS sold around 10 millions or so. Oh well whatever, I guess I am not good with this.

STILL thougt, it dosnt seems to be utterly IMPOSSIBLE to sell that many copies, specially considerating than it is going to take a more shooty, actiony and covery take on it, meaning more people will like it. Probably.

5 million copies... you are acting to cocky, EA.

I'll be laughing my ass off if the game bombs.

Never buy anything new from EA or Activision. If you absolutely have to play it then rent it, buy it used, or borrow from a friend. But better yet avoid their products entirely.

Remember that for every dollar you give to EA the vast majority is taken by the executives and stockholders, people who do nothing to create games other than sit on a pile of money probably inherited from their daddies.

The people who actually created the game already got paid. As announcements like this show the creators are probably going to get screwed on any promised bonuses anyway due to hollywood accounting.

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Spend your money on self published games or games by publishers that at least appear to care more about creating great experiences than they do about quarterly reports.

Lilani:
Isn't this old news? Like, really old news?

...Yeah, page says the article was released on June 15th.

I know, but I only heard about it last night. Kinda wanted to get opinions, so here we are.

Lyri:

Gone Rampant:
"Dead Space" will be cancelled if Dead Space 3 does not make $5 Million.
Look, if you still don't get it, EA will kill the Dead Space franchise if 5 million copies aren't sold, even though both of the previous games averaged 2 million and got decent reviews from Yahtzee.

1. This is old news.
2. Sort your shit out please, you contradict yourself in your original post a lot.

krazykidd:
Wait wait ... Do they need to sell 5 million copies? Or make 5 million dollors in profit ? Because what you title says and what the OP says are two different things . There is no way DS3 is selling 5 million copies so if that's what they are aimin for , they are screwed . 5 million dollors in profit is possible though , but still a Pretty high number . Exactly how many copies of the games needs to be sold to generate 5 million dollars in profit?

Ignoring the OPs schizophrenic post, EA wants Dead Space 3 to shift 5 million units, this was reported last month (possibly the month before) here on The Escapist.

I fixed it. Sorry, I'm horrible at checking over my work unless I get spelling wrong.

Just wanted to say like a lot of other people are saying that I don't mind if the franchise went OF ITS OWN ACCORD. EA milking this thing to death? No. Visceral ending the trilogy grandly and with some big explosions? Hell yes.

There's a difference between creatively ending something and being screwed over.

And just to be clear, it'll be Dead Space that EA cancel. Visceral's busy with the new Army Of Two, so they're safe until it launches.

Is it just me, or when EA says "We want it to appeal to a wider audience while not alienating the devoted fans." it really means "We're alienating the devoted fans by removing anything that's not an element of a shooter game to appeal to a wider audience."

EA, your lack of faith in a nitch market horror/sci-fi disturbs me.

JDLY:
Is it just me, or when EA says "We want it to appeal to a wider audience while not alienating the devoted fans." it really means "We're alienating the devoted fans by removing anything that's not an element of a shooter game to appeal to a wider audience."

No, that's what everyone thinks. I honestly can't decide which is worse- Activision for publishing COD, or EA for trying to make themselves better?

Lilani:
Isn't this old news? Like, really old news?

...Yeah, page says the article was released on June 15th.

Yeah, we actually had a news thread about it on this very website.

Anyway, Dead Space is all right but nothing about it ever really intrigued me. It's about as generic as they come, jump scares galore and predictable 'horror' elements like brightly lit rooms that suddenly get sealed off and go dark once you just happen to enter. Sure, they're pretty solid games, but still. Dark Souls has made me more scared for my in-game life than Dead Space ever did.

DJ_DEnM:
Welp, I at least hope they close the Dead Space trilogy. I don't want to have a franchise cancelled before it ends.

It already ended on the first game.

What the fuck are these dipshits doing?

Not everything can be the next CoD, and not everything should even try. Niche games can still turn profits, especially if they're in the survival-horror genre.

Are they serious?
They'll actually kill this bloody franchise when it tanks?
You mean I can feel even more accomplished by not buying something from EA?
Hot damn, this is great. I can't wait to see DS3 go down in flames, taking its piss-poor excuse for a survival-horror series with it.

This is actually a good thing. Most series start getting stupid after their third outing. Killing a series off at three will keep it in line. Honestly, who thinks we NEED a Dead Space 4?

theultimateend:

DJ_DEnM:
Welp, I at least hope they close the Dead Space trilogy. I don't want to have a franchise cancelled before it ends.

It already ended on the first game.

Then what about the sequel?

Huh....goodbye Dead Space, I hardly knew ye...never finished the first one, so.....guess I won't be shedding too many tears. I did immediately think that this was just a dick move to shut down the developer behind the games as well.

Oh why does it remind me of this as well? Although instead of PS3 being held hostage, it's Dead Space.

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EHKOS:
This is actually a good thing. Most series start getting stupid after their third outing. Killing a series off at three will keep it in line. Honestly, who thinks we NEED a Dead Space 4?

Dead space fans, maybe?

Its the only logical thing. Well so long as it is a good game.

DJ_DEnM:
Then what about the sequel?

You mean the one they are making right now? Because other then this news no other sequel has been made.

>:(

Sounds like EA wants the fans to do the work for them and save a few bucks. Yeah, word of mouth is probably (still) the most reliable form of marketing, but forcing us to do it for you is pretty damn low. You'll take the money we give you, you'll like it, and you'll keep making the games we want, not the other way around Sweetheart.

aguspal:

EHKOS:
This is actually a good thing. Most series start getting stupid after their third outing. Killing a series off at three will keep it in line. Honestly, who thinks we NEED a Dead Space 4?

Dead space fans, maybe?

Its the only logical thing. Well so long as it is a good game.

But usually it isn't as good as the first three. Mostly because the devs think they should take it in a new direction to keep it fresh, and it ends up loosing the feel of the original three and thus just doesn't feel right.

oplinger:

krazykidd:
Wait wait ... Do they need to sell 5 million copies? Or make 5 million dollors in profit ? Because what you title says and what the OP says are two different things . There is no way DS3 is selling 5 million copies so if that's what they are aimin for , they are screwed . 5 million dollors in profit is possible though , but still a Pretty high number . Exactly how many copies of the games needs to be sold to generate 5 million dollars in profit?

A paltry 84,000 for 5 mil in profits.

Sadly they want to sell 5 million COPIES of the game. I think it's a ploy to off the current devs really, rather than a real number they want to achieve.

They'll still have the IP, but they can get new people to work on it. They could anyway, sure. But this is just a slightly more polite way of doing it? I dunno..

Maybe I'm splitting hairs here but 84000 copies would equal about 5 million in revenue not profit. Unless all those programmers voice actors and equipment and licensing used for the game is completely free.

I think asking 5 million copies (around 300 million in sales) in sales to ensure continued viability for the franchise is little short of madness, much as I felt when Peter Molyneux said the same a few years back. But sales =/= profit by any stretch of the imagination.

Okay, I'll say it...

Do we need another Dead Space after the third one?

I really enjoyed Dead Space, and I absolutely adore Dead Space 2. Second favorite game last year after MvC3 (counting it and Ultimate together). I also cannot wait for Dead Space 3.

But do we need more after that?

Yeah, it could be nice if they could keep the series fresh, but chances are it would only start to go downhill by that point, if it doesn't by the third. I'd rather the series leave with dignity than needless sequel after sequel. If Dead Space 3 is the end to the series, I will tip my hat to one of my favorite game series of all time and bid it adieu (or probably replay each game numerous times again). We got three full games out of it. That's more than most. I'll just be happy with what I get.

Ah the wonderful world of sales projections, they made it like Gears of War so now if it doesn't sell equally as that smash hit they don't even want it anymore...

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