Create a hostile faction in a modern fps

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rhizhim:

Zepherus14:
Two words

PANDAS!

No one will see it coming!

thats one word. or are you suggesting Dyscalculia would be your main villian.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyscalculia
that sonofabitch claimed many good men and women...

Not the way I use it, it isn't.

Baron von Blitztank:
Drop Bears..

I can beat that.
Reginald Noble vs. The Weird
Here's some context...

Lugbzurg:
One day, the craziest videogame idea I had ever thought of popped into my head during one of those "Don't do Drugs" presentations in high school. That should give you some context. It's called "Noble". And it makes no sense at all.

Reginald Noble awakes from his chambers and strolls around the military base. He is the only one dressed casually, and the only one in the entire complex speaking informally.

When war breaks out, Reggie breaks out his three-headed chaingun and charges out against the enemy forces in a brown/gray environment, with plenty of cover, and some extra second gun (like a shotgun, or something). It all seems like your average cookie-cutter shooter for a few minutes, until the freaky monsters start showing up.

Before you know it, you're fighting elephants with machine guns, pixelated things inside a 16-Bit dimension and battling flying textbooks that breathe fire and horrible flesh-hungry food in Mr. Noble's old high school.

It plays in a very oldschool style, reminiscent of Serious Sam, Duke Nukem or Quake. You've got weapons that shoot things like chickens and fireworks. Mines come in the form of wet cats, Reginald's melee attack is a headbutt and you gain health by chasing down anthropomorphic food that screams and runs away when it sees you (mostly doughnuts with eyeballs), all like the cheese or the key in Conker's Bad Fur Day.

Did I mention this game makes absolutely no sense and solely exists to be as ridiculous as possible?

That doesn't even go into detail about all of the skinny, half-naked dudes from Merica wearing patriotic underwear who try to poop on you and fire fireworks out of their mouths, while hanging from the legs of bald eagles. Yeah, it's gonna be one heck of a weird game!

Bananas in pajamas. There is nothing more deadly.

Neo IRA! Those tattie eatin' bastids!
We'll show 'em!

On a more serious and less anti-Irish note, possibly have some grey moral shit, where there's just two companies/factions that are as bad as each other and have them duke it out.
As a plot twist, the protagonist's side could lose horribly.

Just a bunch of average Joe's getitng on with their lives, but then news gets out of "He a tururist". This sends your character into beserker mode, gunning through NYC to reach this suspected "tururist".

Intelligent dinosaurs. I would love to see a good dinosaur game. I guess it wont happen though... especially not if they use intelligent dinosaurs.

District 9 the game.

Only you play as the prawn aliens in what starts out as a revolt within South Africa and quickly turns into an all out global conquest after reinforcements arrive via returning mother ships.

So the enemy would effectively be all of humanity.

You get to use a combination of awesome alien weapons and mech suits as well as pilfered human weapons. Game story could raise the same moral questions and social commentary as the film.

Why does it have to be a single race/faction? Why can't some of my enemies be white, some black, some Asian and the rest can be handicapped people (hey they don't get enough video game representation).

This is why I can't stand 99% of modern shooters, especially CoD. The entire premise seems to be "shoot anyone who isn't white, unless that white guy is trying to betray you". I deserve a multicoloured rainbow of slaughter dammit.

Let's just say that the following would be on the box:

"Rednecks take over Washington to prove that guns aren't dangerous.
Your job is to prove them otherwise."

Can the USA be the bad guys, just for once? Or at least have a few shades of grey? Maybe do what Bulletstorm did, having the bad guy be the swearing, racist, EMERICUH FOK YEH type person that spunkgargleweewee tends to pander to.

The problem here is that Americans (the largest market of the FPS genre) want to kill "the bad guy", but don't like it when they ARE the "bad guy". So Germans, anywhere in middle east, Russians, Asians, Brazil are all "acceptable bad guys" to kill.

If I could create a FPS it would be as follows.

It is a "squad" based single player shooter where you control a squad of men/women (via D pad or context menu)

The year is 2030, The damage done to the planet has caused the temperatures to fluctuate in odd places. Canada is frigid cold 10 months of the year and America has expanded down into Mexico and the northern parts of South America by way of military might so its population from the northern states cannot avoid the cold. Canada, being caught in the frozen north, bunker down to a life of hardships while battling the elements. America, now named "The Unified West" begins to send its military might East to the African nations, looking for continued expansion to "warmer climates". With Sights aimed on all of South America, and the nations of Africa the rest of the world takes action, by mobilizing their own forces to stop these invasions.

You play through 3 campaigns

1) The Canadians - Defending their mountain ranges and dense forested area's from "The Unified West" as they look to steal/strip mine the natural resources. (Game play based around success/failure of each mission with campaign, effects the following two campaigns difficulty)

2) The English - On the ground SAS (or other high end military unit) sent in to assassinate high ranking members of the military, destroy instillation's, weapons cache's etc (More stealth based, focus set on the "alertness level" garnered with each mission - think Hitman's assassin rating - Can run and gun or stealth, stealth gives next mission higher chance of guards/resistance - run and gun has more guards, but enemy hears of your presence which causes unrest (think batman and scaring the crap out of goons, how they get less accurate/good at their job)

3) The Africans - You play as a squad leader in one of the African Military units in direct contact with "The Unified West's" military might. Battles are fought out like traditional shooter (CoD style from WW2 games) moving from objective to objective. Loss isn't necessarily a game over, but gives enemy bonus's, additional resources to throw at you in the next level etc.

Narrative would be told from the point of an High Ranking African general (to give weight to the African people who are being hammered by the Military might of their enemies and reading how each mission from other campaigns has effected the on-going campaign there.

Sorry a bit long winded, but I think this would be fun to play :)

Arfonious:
America would make for a great enemy

Like a capitalist Nazi-Germany sort of thing

Yeah, because Nazi Germany was known for electing a black President and legalising gay marriage in so many states.

It's easy to rag on America... but it doesn't make any sense.

America is a lot of things, but Fascist it isn't. It's far more like the British empire, idealistic intervention that escalates out of control.

And by the way, jsut in case you thought you were being original, a LONG list of games where Americans are the enemy:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/9.399451.16387378

I can't possibly think you meant "America" is the enemy, all the people, even the toddlers and infants, even those who disagree with the belligerents?

If you do, are you aware that that is in fact the approach the Nazis took in WWII to the nations it fought against?

Akratus:
A private military company. Non radical and non religious terrorists. The crazy army of some crazy dictator. A crazy militant group of disgruntled american citizens.

rhizhim:
*Snip terrorists killing New York businessmen, in clear allusions to 9/11 attacks*

That is awesome, except for when they detonate the bomb in public. It's as thought they're adding evil to them just to get you not to root for them, or just not want to kill them enough.

I think you are getting a little to wrapped up in your issues with how the economy is run and have let it go to your head.

How is it any better or worse to kill people walking along the street or some businessman?

The only basis for ever killing people is that they are an immediate and severe threat to you.

You don't even know that business he is involved in, he could be head of a company that makes books for schoolchildren, but "yay let's kill him" even though he's no threat to anyone. And even if he embezzled some money, when is being horrifically killed like that in any way a proportional retribution?!?!?!

Look, the "99%" and occupy movement don't want a genocide of the rich, they just want some reforms. They don't want mass public executions, they don't want gulags, they are not like the Bolsheviks who want "Socialism at any cost" and literally meaning that, literally any cost, any extreme, any level of barbarity. Socialism was then not a means to a better life but an end in itself even if it meant killing people by the truckload and deliberately inflicting suffering on millions.

No.

Occupy's problem is with a system that HURTS PEOPLE. The problem is the people being HURT. It DEFEATS THE ENTIRE PURPOSE to hurt people to change the system that is causing HARM.

Part of the whole bloody problem with the Rainbow 6 Patriots trailer is they expected people to be horrified by what the terrorists did... but far too many rooted for them.

To those people: Get your priorities straight. Now.

Because you're going down the same path as Al Qaeda. And I'm telling them know, what is what they'd like, murdering anyone in a business suit, then they are categorically NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE 99%!!

ron1n:
District 9 the game.

Only you play as the prawn aliens in what starts out as a revolt within South Africa and quickly turns into an all out global conquest after reinforcements arrive via returning mother ships.

So the enemy would effectively be all of humanity.

You get to use a combination of awesome alien weapons and mech suits as well as pilfered human weapons. Game story could raise the same moral questions and social commentary as the film.

Actually that sounds pretty amazing. Playing as an alien insurgent utilizing scavenged tech both human and alien trying to survive long enough until the eventual backup arrives is one hell of a premise.

A brainwashing cult that normally treats absolutely everyone outside of it with complete disdain and hatred, but now acts to seize Theocratic control of the US by arming its members.

Offensive to the WBC yes, but they'd hate it no matter who the enemy was. Everybody wins!

Treblaine:

Arfonious:
America would make for a great enemy

Like a capitalist Nazi-Germany sort of thing

Yeah, because Nazi Germany was known for electing a black President and legalising gay marriage in so many states.

It's easy to rag on America... but it doesn't make any sense.

America is a lot of things, but Fascist it isn't. It's far more like the British empire, idealistic intervention that escalates out of control.

And by the way, jsut in case you thought you were being original, a LONG list of games where Americans are the enemy:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/9.399451.16387378

I can't possibly think you meant "America" is the enemy, all the people, even the toddlers and infants, even those who disagree with the belligerents?

If you do, are you aware that that is in fact the approach the Nazis took in WWII to the nations it fought against?

Wow, calm down, you like America I get it.

Of course I didn't mean America as the enemy I meant the USA as a consept not every person. When people state Nazi Germany as the enemy they don't mean every toddler and infant.

I know that the land of Freedom is not really Fascist etc. I just meant that a game set in a not so distant future where USA got out of hand thing happened would be cool

And I know that I wasn't the first person to think of USA as the enemy, that would be ridiculus, I saw the list and have played most of them.

Dr Gregele?
Dear lard.

Treblaine:

Akratus:
A private military company. Non radical and non religious terrorists. The crazy army of some crazy dictator. A crazy militant group of disgruntled american citizens.

rhizhim:
*Snip terrorists killing New York businessmen, in clear allusions to 9/11 attacks*

That is awesome, except for when they detonate the bomb in public. It's as thought they're adding evil to them just to get you not to root for them, or just not want to kill them enough.

I think you are getting a little to wrapped up in your issues with how the economy is run and have let it go to your head.

How is it any better or worse to kill people walking along the street or some businessman?

The only basis for ever killing people is that they are an immediate and severe threat to you.

You don't even know that business he is involved in, he could be head of a company that makes books for schoolchildren, but "yay let's kill him" even though he's no threat to anyone. And even if he embezzled some money, when is being horrifically killed like that in any way a proportional retribution?!?!?!

Look, the "99%" and occupy movement don't want a genocide of the rich, they just want some reforms. They don't want mass public executions, they don't want gulags, they are not like the Bolsheviks who want "Socialism at any cost" and literally meaning that, literally any cost, any extreme, any level of barbarity. Socialism was then not a means to a better life but an end in itself even if it meant killing people by the truckload and deliberately inflicting suffering on millions.

No.

Occupy's problem is with a system that HURTS PEOPLE. The problem is the people being HURT. It DEFEATS THE ENTIRE PURPOSE to hurt people to change the system that is causing HARM.

Part of the whole bloody problem with the Rainbow 6 Patriots trailer is they expected people to be horrified by what the terrorists did... but far too many rooted for them.

To those people: Get your priorities straight. Now.

Because you're going down the same path as Al Qaeda. And I'm telling them know, what is what they'd like, murdering anyone in a business suit, then they are categorically NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE 99%!!

WHAT? Seriously . . .DUDE WHAT?

I said it was an awesome cinematic, but they would be better villains if they didn't kill people that have nothing to do with what they are trying to accomplish.

Seriously . . what the fuck was that rant all about?

A union of Nordic countries, raiding the shores of the Atlantic with their neo-Viking armies and Longship submarines.

The New Confederate States of America

Brazil, either as part of a South American League or otherwise

Some future African Superpower, like maybe Nigeria.

Russian Space Nazis. That'd be fun right? Maybe you play as an Algerian guy or something rather that American Special Forces? But yeah nazis who are Russian in space...

idarkphoenixi:
Why does it have to be a single race/faction? Why can't some of my enemies be white, some black, some Asian and the rest can be handicapped people (hey they don't get enough video game representation).

Well one problem with using the handicapped is that we have a very hard time firing assault rifles. It's the kick, knocks us right on our ass.

On Topic: Soccer Moms vs. The NRA. Each side gets tired of the others anti/pro gun arguments and they decide to settle it the old fashioned way, all out war!

To all who say "Americans", I got 4 words for you:

"Spec Ops: The Line"

It's a MMS in third person, and unlike most MMS games, it actually has a good story that denounces the evils of war instead of celebrating it.

Aliens. Basically the player would keep switching between different military groups (USMC, Spetsnaz, SAS, Chinese Army, ect) and you fight the aliens on many different fronts but about half way through it switches to more guerrilla style warfare as the aliens slowly take over. I don't know how to end it though.

wulf3n:
Australians, we're good sports, we can take it.

The setting - We got sick of everything costing so much and decided to take over the world.

You know, I really like this idea. Somehow the idea of having an evil mastermind speaking in what I find delightfully cheering aussie accents amuses me. But who would you invade, in your opinion as an Australian?

Rawne1980:
Spiders.

A game where the object is just to massacre hordes of Spider.

Because ... fuck Spiders.

This times 1000...

Anyways, Mercenaries. Maybe make them a Expy of Blackwater.

To make them an actual threat, have the backstory set so America is in such massive debt problems, they have to cut spending on the Military (something they would probably never do in real life. So much so that they can barely keep a running military for defensive purposes...

Know what? Basically make the story the same as Metal Gear Solid 4, Instead of nations having standing armies, everyone instead uses PMCs, as they are cheaper and come with less fallback should shit hit the fan. Than set the game in a African country, with you main character being a young (barely 18 year old) kid, and a PMC comes in to take over shit because some investors (America, Europe, China doesnt really matter) have some interest in the country. You are now forced to take up arms with old AK-47 and such, and fight back against the profiteering mercs.

the Chinese. a horde shooter with realistic enemies

An army of hypersexualized gays who are conspiring to infect the world's water supply with HIV and who shoot at you with dildo guns, fabulously.

Their melee-attack when they get too close to you is, of course, something very suggestive. They also spread The Gayness like zombies.

You defend white heterosexuality.

You see, that's the "problem" with all these games. There's nothing wrong with shooting pieces of code and texture which, so you are told, are Korean/Russian/Chinese/Arab. In fairness, people of said ethnicity/nationality are most likely to shoot you if it ever came to World War III. The problem is the way the story is portrayed, which comes down to USA! USA! USA!, with a bit role for the UK.

The French (who are currently kicking Islamist ass), the Germans or even the Dutch are never invited to save/police the world. The problem is the protagonist/story, not the enemy you're shooting.

wulf3n:
Australians, we're good sports, we can take it.

The setting - We got sick of everything costing so much and decided to take over the world.

yes, Cricket Deathmatch: This time it's personal.

[quote="Uriain" post="9.399451.16391016"]The year is 2030, The damage done to the planet has caused the temperatures to fluctuate in odd places. Canada is frigid cold 10 months of the year and America has expanded down into Mexico and the northern parts of South America by way of military might so its population from the northern states cannot avoid the cold. Canada, being caught in the frozen north, bunker down to a life of hardships while battling the elements. America, now named "The Unified West" begins to send its military might East to the African nations, looking for continued expansion to "warmer climates". With Sights aimed on all of South America, and the nations of Africa the rest of the world takes action, by mobilizing their own forces to stop these invasions.

You play through 3 campaigns

1) The Canadians - Defending their mountain ranges and dense forested area's from "The Unified West" as they look to steal/strip mine the natural resources. (Game play based around success/failure of each mission with campaign, effects the following two campaigns difficulty)

2) The English - On the ground SAS (or other high end military unit) sent in to assassinate high ranking members of the military, destroy instillation's, weapons cache's etc (More stealth based, focus set on the "alertness level" garnered with each mission - think Hitman's assassin rating - Can run and gun or stealth, stealth gives next mission higher chance of guards/resistance - run and gun has more guards, but enemy hears of your presence which causes unrest (think batman and scaring the crap out of goons, how they get less accurate/good at their job)

3) The Africans - You play as a squad leader in one of the African Military units in direct contact with "The Unified West's" military might. Battles are fought out like traditional shooter (CoD style from WW2 games) moving from objective to objective. Loss isn't necessarily a game over, but gives enemy bonus's, additional resources to throw at you in the next level etc.

Narrative would be told from the point of an High Ranking African general (to give weight to the African people who are being hammered by the Military might of their enemies and reading how each mission from other campaigns has effected the on-going campaign there./quote]
Good idea, I'd maybe add a few things if they could fit.
1) I'd have some American dissidents as well (as another campaign or as part of the Canadian one) who disagree with what they see as the tyrannical and warmongering Government and act as a sort of freedom force after their peaceful protests fail.
2) In the British campaign maybe it could have the consequence that you have to convince the rest of Europe to try and lend support to the other campaigns determined on how well they do during their missions and even moral choices. For example if the British team is discovered causing civilian deaths during a mission this could decrease the likelihood of other countries siding with them against the US. The support could give you extra military or extra finance.

Every single feudal warrior/soldier in history join forces and magically come to the future and take over all of North America starting along the west coast.

They would use their primitive technology and weaponry of course.

sibrenfetter:
I would love to see a game where Europe is being invaded by America and we have to fight back.

ccdohl:

Why is it so bad for folks who happen to be brown skinned to be the enemies in games?

It is not so much the brown skin as it is the fact that in pretty much all modern shooters we play as the American hero saving the world by going to these arab/russian/african countries. What I find especially grating sometimes is how this is portrayed. CoD MW3 has a good example. I am being attacked by 50 arabs. My team of 3 kills all of them because they blindly run into open fire, my American heros do the same but bullets merely make them trip while the enemies drop like flies. I get hit by 10 bullets, crouch down for a couple of seconds and voila all healthy again. Now I understand those type of things are game mechanics but it is getting tiring seeing always the same American soldiers cracking wisecracks inbetween firefights where they easily killed a 100 oppenents, took 50 bullets in their knees and are on top of the world.

chimpzy:
Ninja Nazi Mutants From Space riding on Robotic Zombie Dinosaurs.

And this obviously always wins

And no this is not meant to be anti-American in any way

And if the enemy stay in cover, the game gets berated by Yahtzee for being nothing more than a shooting gallery. The developer doesn't have a chance.
On topic, I like the idea someone mentioned of rival groups struggling for control of Mars. That would be awesome.

Treblaine:

Akratus:
A private military company. Non radical and non religious terrorists. The crazy army of some crazy dictator. A crazy militant group of disgruntled american citizens.

rhizhim:
*Snip terrorists killing New York businessmen, in clear allusions to 9/11 attacks*

That is awesome, except for when they detonate the bomb in public. It's as thought they're adding evil to them just to get you not to root for them, or just not want to kill them enough.

I think you are getting a little to wrapped up in your issues with how the economy is run and have let it go to your head.

How is it any better or worse to kill people walking along the street or some businessman?

The only basis for ever killing people is that they are an immediate and severe threat to you.

You don't even know that business he is involved in, he could be head of a company that makes books for schoolchildren, but "yay let's kill him" even though he's no threat to anyone. And even if he embezzled some money, when is being horrifically killed like that in any way a proportional retribution?!?!?!

Look, the "99%" and occupy movement don't want a genocide of the rich, they just want some reforms. They don't want mass public executions, they don't want gulags, they are not like the Bolsheviks who want "Socialism at any cost" and literally meaning that, literally any cost, any extreme, any level of barbarity. Socialism was then not a means to a better life but an end in itself even if it meant killing people by the truckload and deliberately inflicting suffering on millions.

No.

Occupy's problem is with a system that HURTS PEOPLE. The problem is the people being HURT. It DEFEATS THE ENTIRE PURPOSE to hurt people to change the system that is causing HARM.

Part of the whole bloody problem with the Rainbow 6 Patriots trailer is they expected people to be horrified by what the terrorists did... but far too many rooted for them.

To those people: Get your priorities straight. Now.

Because you're going down the same path as Al Qaeda. And I'm telling them know, what is what they'd like, murdering anyone in a business suit, then they are categorically NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE 99%!!

that game doesnt really represent the 99% movement, you are getting yourself rilled up for nothing.

i said the "99%" as a joke on the op's saying "that would not count as a minority in the western world."

these guys in the video game are just terrorists (rainbow six games were all about anti terror / swat groups fighting kidnapers and terrorists.)

and like the al Quaida and every other terrorist organisation in existence (even the "american revolution"), they are acting under the umbrella of either religion or an "ideal" to "justify" pushing their own agendas through violence.

and people are not rooting for these madmen as much as you think.

hell, seeing the Concept Gameplay video doesnt leave any sane person romantise root with the "patriots"

and, really? do you think an orchestrated terrorist attack wouldn't include a proper research on who is a "evil" banker for company x and who is just a publisher for children books in general?

Akratus:

That is awesome, except for when they detonate the bomb in public. It's as thought they're adding evil to them just to get you not to root for them, or just not want to kill them enough.

it is awesome because it has so many potentials as to show why terror can be so complex and it doesnt necessarily involve brown people being angry at others because they believe in something else, rather people who might have indulged themselves in a twisted worldview and think of themselves, they are doing the right thing for the greater good.

just like this guy
image
thought he could "shake awake the sheeple" by commiting an atrocity.

please watch the Rainbow Six Patriots Concept Gameplay i provided above and you'll see that it doesnt really give you any "space" to really root for the "patriots".
btw. poor bastard in the concept video..

rhizhim:

Treblaine:

Akratus:
A private military company. Non radical and non religious terrorists. The crazy army of some crazy dictator. A crazy militant group of disgruntled american citizens.

That is awesome, except for when they detonate the bomb in public. It's as thought they're adding evil to them just to get you not to root for them, or just not want to kill them enough.

I think you are getting a little to wrapped up in your issues with how the economy is run and have let it go to your head.

How is it any better or worse to kill people walking along the street or some businessman?

The only basis for ever killing people is that they are an immediate and severe threat to you.

You don't even know that business he is involved in, he could be head of a company that makes books for schoolchildren, but "yay let's kill him" even though he's no threat to anyone. And even if he embezzled some money, when is being horrifically killed like that in any way a proportional retribution?!?!?!

Look, the "99%" and occupy movement don't want a genocide of the rich, they just want some reforms. They don't want mass public executions, they don't want gulags, they are not like the Bolsheviks who want "Socialism at any cost" and literally meaning that, literally any cost, any extreme, any level of barbarity. Socialism was then not a means to a better life but an end in itself even if it meant killing people by the truckload and deliberately inflicting suffering on millions.

No.

Occupy's problem is with a system that HURTS PEOPLE. The problem is the people being HURT. It DEFEATS THE ENTIRE PURPOSE to hurt people to change the system that is causing HARM.

Part of the whole bloody problem with the Rainbow 6 Patriots trailer is they expected people to be horrified by what the terrorists did... but far too many rooted for them.

To those people: Get your priorities straight. Now.

Because you're going down the same path as Al Qaeda. And I'm telling them know, what is what they'd like, murdering anyone in a business suit, then they are categorically NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE 99%!!

that game doesnt really represent the 99% movement, you are getting yourself rilled up for nothing.

i said the "99%" as a joke on the op's saying "that would not count as a minority in the western world."

these guys in the video game are just terrorists (rainbow six games were all about anti terror / swat groups fighting kidnapers and terrorists.)

and like the al Quaida and every other terrorist organisation in existence (even the "american revolution"), they are acting under the umbrella of either religion or an "ideal" to "justify" pushing their own agendas through violence.

and people are not rooting for these madmen as much as you think.

hell, seeing the Concept Gameplay video doesnt leave any sane person romantise root with the "patriots"

and, really? do you think an orchestrated terrorist attack wouldn't include a proper research on who is a "evil" banker for company x and who is just a publisher for children books in general?

Akratus:

That is awesome, except for when they detonate the bomb in public. It's as thought they're adding evil to them just to get you not to root for them, or just not want to kill them enough.

it is awesome because it has so many potentials as to show why terror can be so complex and it doesnt necessarily involve brown people being angry at others because they believe in something else, rather people who might have indulged themselves in a twisted worldview and think of themselves, they are doing the right thing for the greater good.

just like this guy
image
thought he could "shake awake the sheeple" by commiting an atrocity.

please watch the Rainbow Six Patriots Concept Gameplay i provided above and you'll see that it doesnt really give you any "space" to really root for the "patriots".
btw. poor bastard in the concept video..

Thanks for ignoring my previous post, now I've got two people who preached to me for something I never thought.

Akratus:

rhizhim:

please watch the Rainbow Six Patriots Concept Gameplay i provided above and you'll see that it doesnt really give you any "space" to really root for the "patriots".
btw. poor bastard in the concept video..

Thanks for ignoring my previous post, now I've got two people who preached to me for something I never thought.

not trying to preach at you. just saying yes, its an awesome cinematic and no, the other video potraits the "villians who think they are the good guys" better.

and taking a concept that should be kind of rootable (fighing for the small common man) and potraying it like it really would be, if it ever came to this, is something really cool to see.

its not the ordinary moustace twisting villian who wants just take over the world kind of thing.

Arfonious:

Treblaine:

Arfonious:
America would make for a great enemy

Like a capitalist Nazi-Germany sort of thing

Yeah, because Nazi Germany was known for electing a black President and legalising gay marriage in so many states.

It's easy to rag on America... but it doesn't make any sense.

America is a lot of things, but Fascist it isn't. It's far more like the British empire, idealistic intervention that escalates out of control.

And by the way, jsut in case you thought you were being original, a LONG list of games where Americans are the enemy:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/9.399451.16387378

I can't possibly think you meant "America" is the enemy, all the people, even the toddlers and infants, even those who disagree with the belligerents?

If you do, are you aware that that is in fact the approach the Nazis took in WWII to the nations it fought against?

Wow, calm down, you like America I get it.

Of course I didn't mean America as the enemy I meant the USA as a consept not every person. When people state Nazi Germany as the enemy they don't mean every toddler and infant.

I know that the land of Freedom is not really Fascist etc. I just meant that a game set in a not so distant future where USA got out of hand thing happened would be cool

And I know that I wasn't the first person to think of USA as the enemy, that would be ridiculus, I saw the list and have played most of them.

Like America? No. Not any more than, say, Australia (another country I've never even visited). I just don't like people talking nonsense and making spurious equivalence with Nazi Germany.

This isn't about liking America to any exceptional extent, I like all countries, there is not any country I categorically dislike.

WWII and Cold-war socio-political history in Europe is my expertise.

If anything were going to get "out of hand" in America from the trends today it most certainly would not be towards one monothlithic fascistic ideology, it would be increasingly fractured and diverging points of view. This should be blindingly obvious to anyone that American politics is full of constant disagreements and conflicting interests, not just from state to state but within states and from street to street.

Akratus:

WHAT? Seriously . . .DUDE WHAT?

I said it was an awesome cinematic, but they would be better villains if they didn't kill people that have nothing to do with what they are trying to accomplish.

Seriously . . what the fuck was that rant all about?

No, you thought it was awesome till a different type of defenceless unarmed victims were being murdered.

Take your medicine, you can either be fine with anyone being killed because herp a derp it's just a video game and fake violence is fun, or you can adapt it into some kind of context of legitimate combat, like fighting and killing truly dangerous opponents.

You're clearly taking exceptional delight in New York businessmen being murdered, but not "the man on the street".

I don't know whay you think words mean but you said without Qualification it was Awesome when just the Businessmen were being targeted. If you are now realising what an awful thing that is, don't complain to me for calling you out on it, just delet your post and apologise for going overboard.

I mean how old were you when 9/11 happened? When terrorists targeted business people in the World Trade Centre? And the resulting carnage killed thousands? Have any clue the ramifications of that event and how they so clearly relate to the fictional events in the video in question.

if they didn't kill people that have nothing to do with what they are trying to accomplish.

But that's what terrorists DO. They terrorise people killing and maiming so many till they get what they want. You think that if they are insane enough to think a book-manufacturer accountant deserves to be strapped with explosives and defenestrated, that that insane ideology won't spread to targeting other people.

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