Sexism in gameplay

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So apparently reddit is having a bad effect on me because after yet another thread about Anita Sarkessian I was compelled to do a thread about this topic on my own but this time it's with a twist.

I think we can all sorta agree that blatant sexism and misogyny in narration is pretty bad, no matter the medium, right?
I mean tropes can be used pretty much universally in books, films and video games. But the thing is video games are special because of their interactivity and there are only few games that are inherently misogynistic in terms of gameplay. Yes, there are quite a few games which feature horrible and frankly stupid tropes of female character and do depict women in quite a sexist way. And if we seperate video games in terms of this interactivity we'll find that there aren't that many games which depict misogyny through gameplay (aside from porn games, I guess :/ )

Frankly, I can think of one off the top of my head:

Super Princess Peach on the Nintendo DS

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So we have finally a reversal of roles after all these years and her only power is SUPER PMSing? What the hell? It's been established before that she can use magic (Mario RPGs) and can kick ass (smash bros) and fucking fly (Super Mario Bros 2) and you give her RAGING EMOTIONS as gameplay mechanic, implying women are cunning, effectively heartless beasts that use emotions like other would use tools to control everyone around them? What the fuck, Nintendo, what the flying fuck?

So what's the point of this thread? well, it's not about whether there is or isn't sexism in video games but rather finding and discussing examples which feature sexism exclusively in their gameplay and not in the narration because I can't think of many more and I believe that's a dimension not many have taken into account so far.

... There is no way that this thread will derail in any way, isn't there?

I honestly think that you're the one being sexist by furthering the steryotype that women have 'raging emotions'. Pointing out a videogame character's powers does nothing to help the issue at all.

Also, it's not like any male has ever had a power based upon their 'anger' or 'PMSing' as you'd call it. Hardly sexist.

Also also: "But the thing is video games are special because of their interactivity". No. All art is to be judged by the same standard.

Beyond things like Oblivion giving females a strength drop and an endurance boost, I can't think of any.

Although being upset because a stereotypical princess is given "Raging Emotions" as an ability? I'm guessing you don't watch many comedies, right? Besides, I have a game on my tablet right now where one of the enemies has a fury-based ability that ups his attack every turn. Isn't that kind of exactly what you're saying is "sexist against women"?

I thought the premise of Super Princess Peach was that everyone was afflicted with raging emotions, and Peach is the only one left standing because she's the only one with emotional self-control as opposed to emotional self-repression...you could argue sexism in some direction, certainly, but that one seems a bit off.

I think you're overreacting a fair bit...while there's no doubt that sexism in gameplay exists, why is it sexist to have a woman with powers based on rage? Asura in Asura's Wrath has powers based on rage, and he's male. The whole game is based around his anger. Is that sexist?

Baron_Rouge:
I think you're overreacting a fair bit...while there's no doubt that sexism in gameplay exists, why is it sexist to have a woman with powers based on rage? Asura in Asura's Wrath has powers based on rage, and he's male. The whole game is based around his anger. Is that sexist?

Sexism towards men is more subtle because it is embraced. Men take pride in their ability to fix cars, fight, and drink. Granted, there are many women who take pride in cooking, worrying, and frailness, but in American culture their roles and expectations are changing.

In my opinion, Asura's Wrath's level of sexism is on the same level as Cooking Mama. By that, I mean not at all. Both games are solid and portray both genders in embraced roles.

Bocaj2000:

Baron_Rouge:
I think you're overreacting a fair bit...while there's no doubt that sexism in gameplay exists, why is it sexist to have a woman with powers based on rage? Asura in Asura's Wrath has powers based on rage, and he's male. The whole game is based around his anger. Is that sexist?

Sexism towards men is more subtle because it is embraced. Men take pride in their ability to fix cars, fight, and drink. Granted, there are many women who take pride in cooking, worrying, and frailness, but in American culture their roles and expectations are changing.

In my opinion, Asura's Wrath's level of sexism is on the same level as Cooking Mama. By that, I mean not at all. Both games are solid and portray both genders in embraced roles.

Well by that standard mario is the stereotypical male hero who "handles shit" and stomps on everything he sees. Manly stuff an all.

See people its perspective you could literally construe sexism from anything with a gender.

TJC:
implying women are cunning, effectively heartless beasts that use emotions like other would use tools to control everyone around them?

I'm 99.6% sure that that is an accurate description of the average woman, yes. The things that I've seen.

Anyway, seeing Super Princess Peach reminded me of this;

Arakasi:
I honestly think that you're the one being sexist by furthering the steryotype that women have 'raging emotions'. Pointing out a videogame character's powers does nothing to help the issue at all.

Also, it's not like any male has ever had a power based upon their 'anger' or 'PMSing' as you'd call it. Hardly sexist.

Also also: "But the thing is video games are special because of their interactivity". No. All art is to be judged by the same standard.

So you'd judge a book by the colors it uses? Writing and painting are both art.

OP: I'm going to bring up that a lot of games can be used for misogyny when the actual game isn't. Like that one guy in Skyrim who cut off women's heads and decorated his house with their stripped dead bodies. You can play around in GTA and only attack women and ignore men.

Arakasi:
I honestly think that you're the one being sexist by furthering the steryotype that women have 'raging emotions'. Pointing out a videogame character's powers does nothing to help the issue at all.

Also, it's not like any male has ever had a power based upon their 'anger' or 'PMSing' as you'd call it. Hardly sexist.

Dragon ball Z, case and point.

"ZOMGBBQWTF WHAT A SEXIST SHOW, THIS IS TEACHING MALES IT'S OKAY TO GET ANGRY AND BEAT PEOPLE!" *jokes*

OT: I prefer that we all just take a chill pill and stop looking too hard into if/if not someone was meaning to be hurtful/stereotypical on something.

however, if the game seems like it's sole purpose/constantly nagging at you with misogynistic/sexist themes, then yeah, i'd say you've got quite the point to raise.

rbstewart7263:

Bocaj2000:

Baron_Rouge:
I think you're overreacting a fair bit...while there's no doubt that sexism in gameplay exists, why is it sexist to have a woman with powers based on rage? Asura in Asura's Wrath has powers based on rage, and he's male. The whole game is based around his anger. Is that sexist?

Sexism towards men is more subtle because it is embraced. Men take pride in their ability to fix cars, fight, and drink. Granted, there are many women who take pride in cooking, worrying, and frailness, but in American culture their roles and expectations are changing.

In my opinion, Asura's Wrath's level of sexism is on the same level as Cooking Mama. By that, I mean not at all. Both games are solid and portray both genders in embraced roles.

Well by that standard mario is the stereotypical male hero who "handles shit" and stomps on everything he sees. Manly stuff an all.

See people its perspective you could literally construe sexism from anything with a gender.

Yes. Mostly because that is what sexism is:

2: behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex
-Merriam Webster's Online Dictionary

Sexism isn't always harmful. However, perpetuating gender roles, particularly a woman's, hinders cultural evolution and modernism.

TehCookie:

Arakasi:
I honestly think that you're the one being sexist by furthering the steryotype that women have 'raging emotions'. Pointing out a videogame character's powers does nothing to help the issue at all.

Also, it's not like any male has ever had a power based upon their 'anger' or 'PMSing' as you'd call it. Hardly sexist.

Also also: "But the thing is video games are special because of their interactivity". No. All art is to be judged by the same standard.

So you'd judge a book by the colors it uses? Writing and painting are both art.

Umm, yes?
To an extent anyway. I more recognise the fact that the artwork and the book itself are more often than not done by two seperate people, so I tend to judge them seperately. An example of both a good book and a clever artwork that I like would be this:

Oh god another one of those, I love those threads its like a part of an ongoing series. My post is also utterly useless, that too is something I love.

I dont really know WHAT to say to this thread thougt...

When it comes to sexism in games I just struggle to care at all. I can't be the only one who just doesn't give a shit.

ShinyCharizard:
When it comes to sexism in games I just struggle to care at all. I can't be the only one who just doesn't give a shit.

Nope, you're not. I too can't seem to bring myself to give a single flying fuck.

I do believe this is relevant to this topic though....

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How many threads have we had over this and i'm still seeing the exact same debates we've seen in every single other "sexism in games" thread.

If you are going to start a new thread about it at least cover ground we haven't already seen at least 30 times in the past 2 weeks.

ShinyCharizard:
When it comes to sexism in games I just struggle to care at all. I can't be the only one who just doesn't give a shit.

When it's something that seems as petty as what the OP is bringing up, I also struggle to impart fecal matter towards the topic at hand.

I like my sexisim in games, especially when it's in a non-fictional historical setting. I can then tell any rampant feminist "This is what your forebears were fighting against, not men opening doors or any other trigger that sets you off."

gmaverick019:

Dragon ball Z, case and point.

"ZOMGBBQWTF WHAT A SEXIST SHOW, THIS IS TEACHING MALES IT'S OKAY TO GET ANGRY AND BEAT PEOPLE!" *jokes*

OT: I prefer that we all just take a chill pill and stop looking too hard into if/if not someone was meaning to be hurtful/stereotypical on something.

however, if the game seems like it's sole purpose/constantly nagging at you with misogynistic/sexist themes, then yeah, i'd say you've got quite the point to raise.

DBZ was surprisingly non sexist... compared to most anime. It did have a single female fighter... for one season... AND she didn't roll over and cry at the first sign of danger. Hell I don't think she EVER cried and she even humiliated and beat the crap out of Vegeta. Now that I think about it, Android 18 is the most non-sexist stereotyped anime woman I can think of. They didn't even use her for fan service!

I suddenly have a lot more respect for DBZ.

Mid Boss:

Arakasi:

Dragon ball Z, case and point.

"ZOMGBBQWTF WHAT A SEXIST SHOW, THIS IS TEACHING MALES IT'S OKAY TO GET ANGRY AND BEAT PEOPLE!" *jokes*

OT: I prefer that we all just take a chill pill and stop looking too hard into if/if not someone was meaning to be hurtful/stereotypical on something.

however, if the game seems like it's sole purpose/constantly nagging at you with misogynistic/sexist themes, then yeah, i'd say you've got quite the point to raise.

DBZ was surprisingly non sexist... compared to most anime. It did have a single female fighter... for one season... AND she didn't roll over and cry at the first sign of danger. Hell I don't think she EVER cried and she even humiliated and beat the crap out of Vegeta. Now that I think about it, Android 18 is the most non-sexist stereotyped anime woman I can think of. They didn't even use her for fan service!

I suddenly have a lot more respect for DBZ.

I actually didn't say any of that. That was the guy who quoted me.
Also, he wasn't saying DBZ was sexist, he was saying that DBZ portrayed a steryotype of an angry man much in the same manner as the steryotype exists of an angry woman in reference to what I said.

As for Android 18, that was an android. Does that really count?

Arakasi:

Mid Boss:

Arakasi:

Dragon ball Z, case and point.

"ZOMGBBQWTF WHAT A SEXIST SHOW, THIS IS TEACHING MALES IT'S OKAY TO GET ANGRY AND BEAT PEOPLE!" *jokes*

OT: I prefer that we all just take a chill pill and stop looking too hard into if/if not someone was meaning to be hurtful/stereotypical on something.

however, if the game seems like it's sole purpose/constantly nagging at you with misogynistic/sexist themes, then yeah, i'd say you've got quite the point to raise.

DBZ was surprisingly non sexist... compared to most anime. It did have a single female fighter... for one season... AND she didn't roll over and cry at the first sign of danger. Hell I don't think she EVER cried and she even humiliated and beat the crap out of Vegeta. Now that I think about it, Android 18 is the most non-sexist stereotyped anime woman I can think of. They didn't even use her for fan service!

I suddenly have a lot more respect for DBZ.

I actually didn't say any of that. That was the guy who quoted me.
Also, he wasn't saying DBZ was sexist, he was saying that DBZ portrayed a steryotype of an angry man much in the same manner as the steryotype exists of an angry woman in reference to what I said.

As for Android 18, that was an android. Does that really count?

My bad. Anyway. Technically she was a cyborg, they were street thugs until Gero converted them, and she did manage to give birth. Don't see that as being something Gero would put on his priority list to install into her so it's safe to assume she kept her girly parts.

Even if she was full android. Still has the female form, which is seen as inherently weaker. Still falls under the same tropes. Think it even says her brother is stronger despite them being identical. Probably simply by virtue of having balls. And not the ones you make wishes with.... Sorry. Couldn't help it.

You are talking about a franchise where they made a transsexual dinosaur because lol transsexuals are hilarious and you control a man who's only reason to live is to protect a woman who is incapable of doing so herself even though she's supposed to be a monarch. I can see why they thought having a game about a woman who achieves everything by crying and manipulating men would work out fine.

Mid Boss:

gmaverick019:

Dragon ball Z, case and point.

"ZOMGBBQWTF WHAT A SEXIST SHOW, THIS IS TEACHING MALES IT'S OKAY TO GET ANGRY AND BEAT PEOPLE!" *jokes*

OT: I prefer that we all just take a chill pill and stop looking too hard into if/if not someone was meaning to be hurtful/stereotypical on something.

however, if the game seems like it's sole purpose/constantly nagging at you with misogynistic/sexist themes, then yeah, i'd say you've got quite the point to raise.

DBZ was surprisingly non sexist... compared to most anime. It did have a single female fighter... for one season... AND she didn't roll over and cry at the first sign of danger. Hell I don't think she EVER cried and she even humiliated and beat the crap out of Vegeta. Now that I think about it, Android 18 is the most non-sexist stereotyped anime woman I can think of. They didn't even use her for fan service!

I suddenly have a lot more respect for DBZ.

Considering that the meaning of sexism is 'behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex', DBZ is one of the most sexist series imaginable. Men do the bulk of the fighting, spend half of every episode screaming and raging, etc.

But, this is why 'sexism' is a stupid term in the first place.

Rawne1980:

ShinyCharizard:
When it comes to sexism in games I just struggle to care at all. I can't be the only one who just doesn't give a shit.

Nope, you're not. I too can't seem to bring myself to give a single flying fuck.

I do believe this is relevant to this topic though....

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How many threads have we had over this and i'm still seeing the exact same debates we've seen in every single other "sexism in games" thread.

If you are going to start a new thread about it at least cover ground we haven't already seen at least 30 times in the past 2 weeks.

If you don't care, why do you bother reading these threads AND commenting?

Mid Boss:

Arakasi:

Mid Boss:

DBZ was surprisingly non sexist... compared to most anime. It did have a single female fighter... for one season... AND she didn't roll over and cry at the first sign of danger. Hell I don't think she EVER cried and she even humiliated and beat the crap out of Vegeta. Now that I think about it, Android 18 is the most non-sexist stereotyped anime woman I can think of. They didn't even use her for fan service!

I suddenly have a lot more respect for DBZ.

I actually didn't say any of that. That was the guy who quoted me.
Also, he wasn't saying DBZ was sexist, he was saying that DBZ portrayed a steryotype of an angry man much in the same manner as the steryotype exists of an angry woman in reference to what I said.

As for Android 18, that was an android. Does that really count?

My bad. Anyway. Technically she was a cyborg, they were street thugs until Gero converted them, and she did manage to give birth. Don't see that as being something Gero would put on his priority list to install into her so it's safe to assume she kept her girly parts.

Even if she was full android. Still has the female form, which is seen as inherently weaker. Still falls under the same tropes. Think it even says her brother is stronger despite them being identical. Probably simply by virtue of having balls. And not the ones you make wishes with.... Sorry. Couldn't help it.

Nice one.

Anyhow, I didn't really watch DBZ past the Freeza Saga, so I know little about Android 18. But yeah, that seems valid, it's a shame none of the other female characters (to my knowledge) were like that though.

Kopikatsu:

Mid Boss:

gmaverick019:

Dragon ball Z, case and point.

"ZOMGBBQWTF WHAT A SEXIST SHOW, THIS IS TEACHING MALES IT'S OKAY TO GET ANGRY AND BEAT PEOPLE!" *jokes*

OT: I prefer that we all just take a chill pill and stop looking too hard into if/if not someone was meaning to be hurtful/stereotypical on something.

however, if the game seems like it's sole purpose/constantly nagging at you with misogynistic/sexist themes, then yeah, i'd say you've got quite the point to raise.

DBZ was surprisingly non sexist... compared to most anime. It did have a single female fighter... for one season... AND she didn't roll over and cry at the first sign of danger. Hell I don't think she EVER cried and she even humiliated and beat the crap out of Vegeta. Now that I think about it, Android 18 is the most non-sexist stereotyped anime woman I can think of. They didn't even use her for fan service!

I suddenly have a lot more respect for DBZ.

Considering that the meaning of sexism is 'behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex', DBZ is one of the most sexist series imaginable. Men do the bulk of the fighting, spend half of every episode screaming and raging, etc.

But, this is why 'sexism' is a stupid term in the first place.

I assume you're talking about sexism against men.

I wasn't talking about the men. I was talking about Android 18. Who, in anime circles, is a pretty strong female who never breaks down into the crying, emotional, helpless, mess like other warrior women in anime do.

Please don't try to justify sexism against women by saying it exists against guys too. Oh heaven forbid someone paint you as a powerful, muscular hero/protector/chick magnet. You poor thing. Obviously since this exists against you then painting women as emotional, weak, helpless messes is fine and all this debate and fighting for equality is just silly!

JudgeGame:

Rawne1980:

ShinyCharizard:
When it comes to sexism in games I just struggle to care at all. I can't be the only one who just doesn't give a shit.

Nope, you're not. I too can't seem to bring myself to give a single flying fuck.

I do believe this is relevant to this topic though....

image

How many threads have we had over this and i'm still seeing the exact same debates we've seen in every single other "sexism in games" thread.

If you are going to start a new thread about it at least cover ground we haven't already seen at least 30 times in the past 2 weeks.

If you don't care, why do you bother reading these threads AND commenting?

Because I enjoy pointing out how much I don't care.

Mid Boss:

gmaverick019:

Dragon ball Z, case and point.

"ZOMGBBQWTF WHAT A SEXIST SHOW, THIS IS TEACHING MALES IT'S OKAY TO GET ANGRY AND BEAT PEOPLE!" *jokes*

OT: I prefer that we all just take a chill pill and stop looking too hard into if/if not someone was meaning to be hurtful/stereotypical on something.

however, if the game seems like it's sole purpose/constantly nagging at you with misogynistic/sexist themes, then yeah, i'd say you've got quite the point to raise.

DBZ was surprisingly non sexist... compared to most anime. It did have a single female fighter... for one season... AND she didn't roll over and cry at the first sign of danger. Hell I don't think she EVER cried and she even humiliated and beat the crap out of Vegeta. Now that I think about it, Android 18 is the most non-sexist stereotyped anime woman I can think of. They didn't even use her for fan service!

I suddenly have a lot more respect for DBZ.

There's a few things you're missing about why Android 18 is still perpetuating sexism.

First of all to be that strong and good as a fighter she had be effectively be a man with boobs, she wasn't womanly at all. Sexist.

Then there's the fact that, she is helpless against Cell relying on Men to fight him, while Krillin looks after her, and then Krillin again looks after her after she is forced out of the Perfect Cell Fusion... then after healing she falls in love with her brave protector, marries him and has his baby. Sexist.

In the Buu saga, she's still exceptionally strong, but is kept hidden on Kami's tower expected just to watch while all the men and their male offspring fight saving the women. Sexist.

For the record I think the 3 points I just wrote are complete and utter bullshit, but they do show that if you are looking for sexism you will find it. Sadly this is what some people do, they believe there is inequality and will create mountains out of molehills to prove it.

ShinyCharizard:

JudgeGame:

Rawne1980:

-snip-

If you don't care, why do you bother reading these threads AND commenting?

Because I enjoy pointing out how much I don't care.

That is incredibly sad. I have nothing to add to that.

lacktheknack:
Beyond things like Oblivion giving females a strength drop and an endurance boost, I can't think of any.

That isn' sexist though, that's accurate. Physical tests between men and women have concluded that men are, as a general rule, faster and stronger at the start of, for example, a marathon, but women have longer endurance and are more resistant to pain at the end of the run.

JudgeGame:

ShinyCharizard:

JudgeGame:

If you don't care, why do you bother reading these threads AND commenting?

Because I enjoy pointing out how much I don't care.

That is incredibly sad. I have nothing to add to that.

IMO its pretty funny :) Its the funnies post in this thread so far anyways-

MagunBFP:

Mid Boss:

gmaverick019:

Dragon ball Z, case and point.

"ZOMGBBQWTF WHAT A SEXIST SHOW, THIS IS TEACHING MALES IT'S OKAY TO GET ANGRY AND BEAT PEOPLE!" *jokes*

OT: I prefer that we all just take a chill pill and stop looking too hard into if/if not someone was meaning to be hurtful/stereotypical on something.

however, if the game seems like it's sole purpose/constantly nagging at you with misogynistic/sexist themes, then yeah, i'd say you've got quite the point to raise.

DBZ was surprisingly non sexist... compared to most anime. It did have a single female fighter... for one season... AND she didn't roll over and cry at the first sign of danger. Hell I don't think she EVER cried and she even humiliated and beat the crap out of Vegeta. Now that I think about it, Android 18 is the most non-sexist stereotyped anime woman I can think of. They didn't even use her for fan service!

I suddenly have a lot more respect for DBZ.

There's a few things you're missing about why Android 18 is still perpetuating sexism.

First of all to be that strong and good as a fighter she had be effectively be a man with boobs, she wasn't womanly at all. Sexist.

Then there's the fact that, she is helpless against Cell relying on Men to fight him, while Krillin looks after her, and then Krillin again looks after her after she is forced out of the Perfect Cell Fusion... then after healing she falls in love with her brave protector, marries him and has his baby. Sexist.

In the Buu saga, she's still exceptionally strong, but is kept hidden on Kami's tower expected just to watch while all the men and their male offspring fight saving the women. Sexist.

For the record I think the 3 points I just wrote are complete and utter bullshit, but they do show that if you are looking for sexism you will find it. Sadly this is what some people do, they believe there is inequality and will create mountains out of molehills to prove it.

Cell had grown much stronger than she was even before he absorbed her brother. Everyone but Trunks and Vegeta were helpless against him. It never says how or why she fell in love with Krillin so that's just an assumption.

In the Buu saga all the warriors were more powerful than Cell who would have torn her apart easier than he did android 19. She was an android. She didn't gain in power. Which, I admit, was a cop out. Again, like I stated, she never breaks down into an emotional mess and it shows that she likes to dress well and is interested in guys (who her brother invariable kills). She's not Lightening from whichever Final Fantasy she was from.

If you want a "fake strong girl" as my girlfriend puts it watch Sword Art Online. Kitiro's sister is introduced as a strong female character but immediately after that becomes a bawling, emotional, bossy, useless mess whose only contribution is healing magic when she's not screaming and crying. When people don't want to hear about inequality they will belittle it and try to claim that, if it is there, it's meaningless and that people just WANT to see it. Well my friend, you don't want to see it.

When was the last time you saw a woman fight a leading male character, generic thugs don't count, in any media? Of those times, which ones did she actually hold her own and not go down in one punch? I'll make a list of the ones I know of.

Avatar The Last Air Bender
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Firefly
Armitage the 3rd
DBZ
The Power Puff Girls
Family Guy
Underworld
Marvel and DC comics/cartoons
The Avengers
That one recent Die Hard movie. Can't remember which one.

..... That's about all I can come up with off the top of my head. Now compare that to all the action movies and shows where women are just there to be rescued, are support roles only, are helpless against a lead male character, or only fight other women. Then, TRY to keep a straight face while telling me that it's just in my imagination.

The witcher. Practically codified sexually extorting women in gameplay terms

I love people who try to desperately make something SEEM sexist/mysoginist and then end up coming off as the most sexist/mysoginist person in the whole thread lol.

Actually the same could be said for a ton of feminist groups, groups which paradoxically end up demeaning women even further by making them look like helpless victims of everything, instead of lifting their image as strong individuals who can handle themselves lol.

BrotherRool:
The witcher. Practically codified sexually extorting women in gameplay terms

*sigh*

In Yahtzee's own words...

Some people might call The Witcher misogynistic, for the fact that every single woman in the game shows off a cleavage you could lose your dog in, and will jump on you at the slightest provocation, for a PG-13 sex scene, followed by a paradoxically explicit dirty postcard. Personally, I think it's less The Witcher's obvious hatred of women, and more the same misguided pretension to maturity that also causes the characters to cuss with every alternate word.

So yeah, you were saying?

MagunBFP:

Mid Boss:

gmaverick019:

Dragon ball Z, case and point.

"ZOMGBBQWTF WHAT A SEXIST SHOW, THIS IS TEACHING MALES IT'S OKAY TO GET ANGRY AND BEAT PEOPLE!" *jokes*

OT: I prefer that we all just take a chill pill and stop looking too hard into if/if not someone was meaning to be hurtful/stereotypical on something.

however, if the game seems like it's sole purpose/constantly nagging at you with misogynistic/sexist themes, then yeah, i'd say you've got quite the point to raise.

DBZ was surprisingly non sexist... compared to most anime. It did have a single female fighter... for one season... AND she didn't roll over and cry at the first sign of danger. Hell I don't think she EVER cried and she even humiliated and beat the crap out of Vegeta. Now that I think about it, Android 18 is the most non-sexist stereotyped anime woman I can think of. They didn't even use her for fan service!

I suddenly have a lot more respect for DBZ.

There's a few things you're missing about why Android 18 is still perpetuating sexism.

First of all to be that strong and good as a fighter she had be effectively be a man with boobs, she wasn't womanly at all. Sexist.

Then there's the fact that, she is helpless against Cell relying on Men to fight him, while Krillin looks after her, and then Krillin again looks after her after she is forced out of the Perfect Cell Fusion... then after healing she falls in love with her brave protector, marries him and has his baby. Sexist.

In the Buu saga, she's still exceptionally strong, but is kept hidden on Kami's tower expected just to watch while all the men and their male offspring fight saving the women. Sexist.

For the record I think the 3 points I just wrote are complete and utter bullshit, but they do show that if you are looking for sexism you will find it. Sadly this is what some people do, they believe there is inequality and will create mountains out of molehills to prove it.

Did we watch the same show?

At which point did anybody ever protect C18? Hell, Vegeta bloody beat her up FOR Cell so he could fight Cell's ultimate form.

C18 and Krillin were hot for each other for a long time and it's a recurring joke that C18 is the one wearing the pants so what you said makes no sense.

C18 does fight Buu so I don't know what's going on there. Fucking Chi-Chi and Bulma fight Buu.

As a matter of fact, I think the only time in GT a human fights seriously is when C18 fights Super C17 to avenge Krillin. I don't think Uub counts as human.

JudgeGame:
Did we watch the same show?

At which point did anybody ever protect C18? Hell, Vegeta bloody beat her up FOR Cell so he could fight Cell's ultimate form.

C18 and Krillin were hot for each other for a long time and it's a recurring joke that C18 is the one wearing the pants so what you said makes no sense.

C18 does fight Buu so I don't know what's going on there. Fucking Chi-Chi and Bulma fight Buu.

As a matter of fact, I think the only time in GT a human fights seriously is when C18 fights Super C17 to avenge Krillin. I don't think Uub counts as human.

You completely missed the point of his entire post dude, did you read the last paragraph?? Here I'll quote it for you:

MagunBFP:
For the record I think the 3 points I just wrote are complete and utter bullshit, but they do show that if you are looking for sexism you will find it. Sadly this is what some people do, they believe there is inequality and will create mountains out of molehills to prove it.

This thread is a great example of someone digging for sexism/misogyny where it doesn't exist, someone looking to create an issue out of nothing and ironically making themselves the sexist/mysoginist :P

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