so, Smash Bros Wii U

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oh boy. the "hype the hype" strategy of nintendo is apparently already working. Oh well..

OT: I think they'll keep the roster smaller or the same size as in brawl. This ain't no friggin mugen game. This means we'll see some clones disappear and probably some other characters as well like ROB since he was only sorta relevant for the subspace emissary, then lucas (see ya the next time I replay Mother 3), one of the furry entourage around Fox, Toon Link (despite the Windwaker HD release), Lucario (probably replaced by the poster boy of Gen VI who inevitably is going to star in one of the upcoming pokemon movies) and depending on how cooperative Sega and Konami are Sonic and Snake.

For some dumb reason Marth continues to be the face of Fire Emblem (ugh...), so I guess we'll lose Ike as well.

This means we'll have about 3-6 spots for new characters. Since Namco is on board on this one, there is only one character that has to be in there from their franchises: Klonoa who way cooler than any what's-his-face from tekken anyway.

Other than him, I'm hesitant to do any speculation on characters since I'll probably be wrong anyways but there are some characters I'd like to exclude from speculation from the get go:

Megaman: Seriously, what's the blue bomber going to add to SSB since gameplay-wise he's like the unholy bastard offspring of Samus and Kirby.

Shadow the Hedgehog (or any of the other massive amount of annoying woodland creatures from the sonic universe): No... just no.

Bayonetta: Okay, to be honest, I'd love to see her in there but somehow I can't really picture her in any family-friendly game without toning down her overly-sexualized character and frankly, who'd want that?

Gameplay-wise I hope they'll give the stages more character than in Brawl. I'm one of the few who loved the platforming levels in melee (pokefloats is still my fav stage) and I'd love to see more of them who provide and challenge while being forced to leap through the air like a silly goose. Also, the single player campaign should feel less fanfictiony this time around. :/

Oh yeah, and don't screw up the connectivity between the 3DS and the Wii U.

A Smooth Criminal:

They won't be increasing the roster size much, however they will be adding new characters.

It's pretty much confirmed that one or two Namco characters will be added. This might mean some Ni No Kuni, Tekken, Soul Calibur or Dark Souls characters. (I'm not too worried to be honest, they got Solid Snake to work).

They'll be removing a couple of characters too I assume, as they did with Melee > Brawl. I'm going to predict that Ike or Marth will be replaced with Chrom from Awakening. Falco or Wolf will be removed, Sonic and Snake might disappear considering they're not Nintendo characters. Toon Link might go seeming as he's not had a game since Spirit Tracks. ROB looked like a one time thing, Lucas might also disappear (not Nes because he's been in the game since Smash Bros 1). Lucario might also be removed to make way for one of the newer Pokemon, similar to how Mewtwo was removed.

Actually, Solid Snake's Creator loves the Super Smash Bros. Series. He originally wanted Snake in Melee, but it was too late to add him, and that's why he's in Brawl. I don't know much about Sonic (He was only brought in because of Fan Votes), but Solid Snake is pretty much guaranteed to stay in Super Smash Bros. Especially since he wasn't added into Playstation Battle All-Stars.

Mr.Mattress:
Actually, Solid Snake's Creator loves the Super Smash Bros. Series. He originally wanted Snake in Melee, but it was too late to add him, and that's why he's in Brawl. I don't know much about Sonic (He was only brought in because of Fan Votes), but Solid Snake is pretty much guaranteed to stay in Super Smash Bros. Especially since he wasn't added into Playstation Battle All-Stars.

Thing is, he's had his debut. I'm not saying they'll definitely remove him and I hope they don't because Snake was fun to play, but it's a bit like having someone make a cameo appearance in a movie, and then turning them into a main character.

In my eyes he's a possibility to be removed, he's definitely not in the 'safe' tier like other characters such as Pikachu, Fox, Mario and Ness.

If the controls work fine, cross platform gaming. I would love to leave my house and while I have a dead hour at college boot and still play my friends with my 3DS version in the same conditions they are playing, and with my "character".

Random customization. Customization of "random" events, such as Smash Ball appearances, trip mechanics, etc, for different playstyles with different people.

A fuck ton of challenges.

More stages.

More character. Travis would be great, because even if ti is an M rated game, it is very cartoony.

Arcade an Story modes.

Chat with the integrated microphones, as i love trash talking in fighting games but I don't want to buy a peripheral.

A robust on-line but with local multiplayer still being the focus. There is nothing like a SSB party.

And something wild, stages divided into islands for on-line "multiplayer". What I mean? different stages interconnected so that huge battles of more than 4 players can be done.

TJC:

Bayonetta: Okay, to be honest, I'd love to see her in there but somehow I can't really picture her in any family-friendly game without toning down her overly-sexualized character and frankly, who'd want that?

Solid Snake was hardly a family friendly character... Last time I played MGS4 he gets hit on by a bunch of people, crawls through what is literally a microwave tunnel, reads porn mags, fights alongside a ninja who cuts everything and everyone into little pieces and befriends a gun launderer with a monkey that has a smoking problem.

I heard rumors Krystal from Star Fox and Ridley from Metroid were likely to be in on the new roster. Wolf was actually a fan-choice last time to enter the roster, so he may stay, leading to possibly 4 Star Fox characters, which I'd love. Ridley would give some interesting dynamics, a heavier version of Pit. As for who these two might replace, I'm not sure. I'd guess Wolf and ROB.

Auron225:
I'd like Luigi, Ike & Fox to all remain (since its usually those three I play as) but have a feeling Ike could go =(

I don't know about you, but I think I see a pattern with who can get cut.
Nobody from Smash64 can ever be cut.
Clones can be cut, unless they're from Smash64.
In terms of Fire Emblem protagonists you get Marth (First Fire Emblem protagonist) and whoever the latest Fire Emblem protagonist is when the Smash game comes out. (So it will be the dude from Awakening)

Exius Xavarus:

Hazy992:
Yarn!

Yarn Kirby, Yarn DeeDeeDee and Yarn Yoshi! :D

They had Toon Link in Brawl so I don't see why they can't have Yarn characters in this one. It's its own little series of games now :D

Isn't the popular rumor that Namco/Bandai is developing the latest Smash Bros games? If not the Wii U one than the 3DS one (which is apparently also being developed right now). Anyway, when it comes to characters I'd assume Pac-Man and maybe a Ghost would make it into the roaster. I'd also love to see Simon Belmont make it in but no idea if that would work. Playing as Bayonetta would be cool and I'd love to see more Sonic characters like Knuckles, Eggman and, Metal Sonic. As for Pokemon I'd like to have each region's trainer be a separate character but admittedly, I don't know how that would work without them feeling like palette swaps.

The big new thing I'd want to see in the next Smash-Bros though would be classic or, Bit-Mode, which would use the original character sprites, original levels/locations, etc. It would be a challenge for top-down games like Pokemon, Zelda and, Mother but it would be manageable by using battle scenes from those three games. Nintendo paid to develop most of its consoles and games by the nostalgia dollar after all: might as well give us what we want. A part of me also wants to see mini-games and, what-if sections; the What-Ifs would be challenge maps wherein you play classic levels with characters from other games (ie: Pikachu in Super Mario Bros 1-1 operating under Super Mario Bros rules so, no powers and no touching enemies other than jumping on them)

I never did play through Brawl but I loved the story mode (as much as I could without actually playing it), so if that would make a return, it'd be great.

As for new people, they'll most likely be throwing out Lucario like they did with Mewtwo in favour of a new mysterious-looking, bipedal Pokemon (I'm guessing Zoroark because I imagine a lot could be done with his ability).

I would like Vaati, being the second most prolific Zelda villain and in serious need of love. Chrom from the newest Fire Emblem as well as Roy, Ike, and Marth might all show up since that franchise is getting a whole lot more love state side than I can remember. Wart would be a nice retro call back. A more involved story for whatever they call their campaign mode. Also Medusa from Kid Icarus uprising as a trophy.

Bowser Junior! Make him to Bowser what Young Link is to Link and Pichu is to Pikachu!

Another Sonic character would be cool as well! (Knuckles or Tails).

Including what some others have said, how about Rayman as well? The new one is exclusive to Wii U is it not?

SkarKrow:
Snap

I never really played the Wii version for Twilight Princess. I owned and played the Gamecube version. :x A friend wanted my help and I was virtually worthless because I couldn't even make my way around Ordon Village, with the way they flipped the whole game world.

New characters?

Dillon, Isaac, Shulk, Palutena, King K. Rool, Robotnik... and...

Bayonetta.

Believe.

If they are doing Namco characters, then obviously they must include Yuri Lowell(Or Lloyd Irving). But yeah, I hope that they get rid of 2/3 Starfox characters(Preferably Falco and Wolf), Ice Climbers, Jiggly Puff, 1/2 Mother characters(preferably Lucas) and Lucario. I think Dedede, Ganondorf, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, Bowser, and Pokemon Trainer could stand to be shown the door in favor of rotations. (Pokemon Trainer could just have a Pokemon swap)

So I think those 12 should be swapped out for new characters. As for replacements, I would like to see:
1. Yuri Lowell(Tales of Vesperia)
2. Bisharp (Pokemon)
3. Haxorus (Pokemon)
4. Lloyd Irving (Tales of Symphonia)
5. Knuckles (Sonic)
6. Professor Layton (Professor Layton)
7. Megaman (Megaman)
8. Yarn Yoshi (Yoshi's Epic Yarn?)
9. Tom Nook (Animal Crossing)
10. The Shadow Triad (Pokemon)
11. Dingo (The animal. No affiliation with any sort of game)
12. Pokemon Trainer Team Swap (Krookodile, Flaffy, Scyther)

Exius Xavarus:

SkarKrow:
Snap

I never really played the Wii version for Twilight Princess. I owned and played the Gamecube version. :x A friend wanted my help and I was virtually worthless because I couldn't even make my way around Ordon Village, with the way they flipped the whole game world.

Only played the Wii version, the motion control was quite pathetic to say the least, aimless waggling for most attacks and it really didn't feel necessary, I'd rather have just used a controller. Skyward Sword was better for the motion plus though, it's a lot of fun to fight so accurately.

You have any interest in Wind Waker HD? It looks gorgeous from the stills they showed, but I'd like to see some good gamepad integration (if they make it into a phantom hourglass ordeal I shall weep) and maybe some new dungeons. The miiverse will work very well with it indeed I think :)

Just wrote up a mini-review of the Wii U, finally got my arse round to doing some writing.

Now for more Super Mario Bros U...

Andy Shandy:
Including what some others have said, how about Rayman as well? The new one is exclusive to Wii U is it not?

It is and I just played the demo. Needless to say I want it, it's frigging gorgeous and integrates the gamepad nicely.

DRTJR:
I would like Vaati, being the second most prolific Zelda villain and in serious need of love. Chrom from the newest Fire Emblem as well as Roy, Ike, and Marth might all show up since that franchise is getting a whole lot more love state side than I can remember. Wart would be a nice retro call back. A more involved story for whatever they call their campaign mode. Also Medusa from Kid Icarus uprising as a trophy.

Vaati would be fantastic, anything that nods to Minish Cap is a big plus in my book I adore that game

A Smooth Criminal:

TJC:

Bayonetta: Okay, to be honest, I'd love to see her in there but somehow I can't really picture her in any family-friendly game without toning down her overly-sexualized character and frankly, who'd want that?

Solid Snake was hardly a family friendly character... Last time I played MGS4 he gets hit on by a bunch of people, crawls through what is literally a microwave tunnel, reads porn mags, fights alongside a ninja who cuts everything and everyone into little pieces and befriends a gun launderer with a monkey that has a smoking problem.

yeah, but he's that particular brand of family-friendly that is okay because violence is a wholesome activity the entire family can participate in. Showing off cleavage and getting naked while attacking is not.

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!

How about they keep/bring back all the characters from each smash bros. Then, they could try actually making each one UNIQUE.

I'd like them to add Shulk(Xenoblade), Maxwell(Scribblenauts), Paper Mario, Toon Zelda/Tetra, Andy(Advanced Wars), Demise(Skyward Sword. Possibly replacing Ganondorf ), Travis Touchdown, and maybe Rundus.

I'd like to see them get rid of Ganondorf(or just change his moveset), Wolf & Falco, ROB, Game&Watch, and replace Marth with someone else from Fire Emblem.

Geno from super mario RPG would be a cool choice.

I'm not a fan of the ultra-niche (from my western localized gaming experience) characters... like do we really need 2 earthbound characters, 2 fire emblem, etc..

Which brings me to my other point... the main thing is clones... same-ish characters are just extremely boring. It's true in brawl there are less similarities (unlike melee which was very lazy in many respects), but some variety around the series would be appreciated.

Finally.. balance. I know the game is meant to be fun, but large characters that are slow should be feared and not just kicked around like punching bags.

SkarKrow:
Snippet

I'm stoked for the Wind Waker remake and can't wait for it to be out. I wasn't much a fan for Skyward Sword. It used some interesting ideas and they were well executed, I just prefer using a normal controller. Also, it's just my personal opinion, but I don't like Skyward Sword's art very much. I don't personally think the art directions from Twilight Princess and Wind Waker mesh very well. I don't think they're going to make Wind Waker into another Phantom Hourglass, though(that would piss me off most highly), but as far as I've heard so far it's just a Wind Waker remake with some GamePad integration. I'd assume much to the effect of OoT3D, for easier inventory and the like.

....you guys do know that Namco said previously they're not adding new characters, right?

Andy Shandy:
Including what some others have said, how about Rayman as well? The new one is exclusive to Wii U is it not?

However Rayman isn't a Nintendo character, he's an Ubisoft character, he probably won't be in unless they asked for Rayman to be in Smash Bros, which I doubt they would because he's not really a fan favorite like Sonic and the Ubisoft guys don't seem as enthusiastic as Hideo about getting their character in Smash Bros.

Z of the Na'vi:
....you guys do know that Namco said previously they're not adding new characters, right?

No, they said they're not increasing the size of the roster.

I think who I would really want is Castlevania characters, like Simon, Alucard, or even Gabriel.

I Love Smash Bros. My ex roommates and I would play it every day. It was always a big thing back in college.
Even to this day some of my friends won't play against me. bc they know I'll destroy them.

Sadly I won't be buying a Wii U for a while.
But when I do get it; I personally would love to have all the characters return (even the ones removed from Brawl)
Dr. Robotnik needs to be in there. MegaMan might be fun.
I'm not sure who else I'd want to see in the new Smash...
But the tripping has got to go.

I hope they...

remove tripping, or make it optional and off by default if people actually think its a good mechanic (for some random reason)

Definitely fix clones, there should be 0 clones in this game, which probably means there can only be 1 link but thats fine with me because i never cared for toon link. Definitely want to see Ganon make it in this game but with a completely remade moveset (the sword he took in twilight princess would be awesome, or some dark magic hand blasts, or both!)

someone mentioned the removal of jigglypuff, that will never happen, jigglypuff has been in every smash game and already has a well established move-set, plus its hilarious.

Pokemon trainer can stay, but bring new pokemon. As much as I miss mewtwo they should stick with the pikachu/jigglypuff/new gen bipedal badass pokemon trio

as some people have mentioned Marth will probably continue to be the face of fire emblem, so I think he should get a more rugged counterpart, Ike was pretty decent and should be treated as the baseline, a heavy bruiser type.

The mario and co roster is big enough as is, nobody should get cut but nothing else should be added.

I don't think Sonic will make a comeback but it wouldnt bother me if he did, but should suck less (and if we go in that direction, I'd like shadow as his COUNTERPART, not clone!)

From Starfox, Crystal would be ok...i guess. But I think they should add or remove one to either make it a duo or a full team of four. Considering Falco has been in 2 games, he could probably stick around provided he loses his clone status fully, otherwise keep wolf and remove falco.

Definitely keep the Zero Suit Mechanic, she was a character of her own without "increasing" the roster.

Ness is enough to represent a relatively small and less known series like earthbound, so Lucas can go.

Characters I would like to see, and be fixed.
Mario:
Paper Mario (seriously has enough moves to be different from Mario).

Zelda:
Just give Ganondorf a new moveset.
And Toon Link has to go.

Starfox:
Remove Falco and Wolf, add Krystal

Kirby:
Good, fix Metaknight.

Donkey Kong:
K. Rool (The main villain of Donkey Kong and he still hasn't been added)?

F. Zero:
Good

Fire Emblem:
Marth is staying
Ike is probably going to be replaced by Chrom

Pokemon:
New X and Y pokemon to replace Lucario

Mother:
Remove Lucas

Third Party:

Simon Belmont

Megaman

Travis Touchdown

Either Jack from Madworld or Bayonetta.

Maxwell from Scribblenauts

SkarKrow:

TizzytheTormentor:
Add Travis Touchdown (A rising star to many video game fans) and Raichu (they had Pichu who sucked and Pikachu obviously, so why not their bad-ass evolution?) into the game and all will be perfect!

I do hope the online part is fixed, I might play it with some friends here on the Escapist if the online isn't complete arse.

The MiiVerse is great from what I've used, I can't say much because my internet is being very tempermental and they're working on the lines, but I'll get back to you on it, I'm working on review/overview of the system I'll be sure to let you know how the online multiplayer is but I've heard little about it.

Kinda expecting it to be laggy because my wifi is shitty. I got no friends on it yet anyway :3 lol

We can play when I get mine (which won't be until some of the recently announced games are out for it)

I'm probably going to be fine with whomever they put into the game.
As long as they add rather than substitute/remove/replace.

As for mechanics, I'd like it to feel like a hybrid between Melee and Brawl.
The removal of tripping would be sublime, having a soundtrack that doesn't fit the main theme absolutely everywhere would also be a plus.

See, Nintendo?
I ain't that unreasonable.

Palademon:
I DEMAND SKULL KID

His final smash writes itself. If anyone's thinking of anything other than smashing the stage with the moon, they you're WRONG!

Also, I'd like to se emsot of the character additions mentionedin this thread.
I wish Rare was still with Nintendo. Banjo's moveset is perfect.

Amen, it would be nice to break from the standard array of zelda characters. Getting the moon to crash land would never get old either, it would a giant "guess what's happening? SCREW YOU" to your friends.

But christ, I would have loved to have had banjo in this game. Just seems like a very appropriate character for the gameplay and setting. (oh, and the fact that I grew up with Banjo Kazooie on the N64)

But really, I just want the game to not have that stupid trip mechanic, because when I screw up and lose a game from my own faults, its funny and/or deserved, but if I lose a game because of a mechanic that screws me up a pivotal time, its frustrating.

Am I the only one o thinks that Bomberman would be a great addition? I know he's not strictly Nintendo but he's been a well known character on every Nintendo console ever...

Also a few things
Remove tripping... Dumbest 'feature' ever added to a game
No more clones. Similar moves are ok, but identical or nearly indentical moves are lazy.
Smash balls need to be less common... A very rare, once per game thing would be nice but they happen way too often even when all items are rare
Good online play. Effective matchmaking and lag fixed.

Most importantly:

Balance!

Nintendo needs to maintain the game. Fix characters that are obviously broken (Metaknight being banned from tournaments because he's too good, and Bowser being unplayablely bad). I'd like to see Nintendo building the game with competitive play in mind. It would be nice if all characters were at least close to viable and balanced.

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