Next Gen, is anyone really done with their current consoles?

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Aaron Sylvester:

How do you feel about watching movies in theaters vs watching it on your TV? Are you terrified by the thought of watching the movie on a smaller screen? Of course not, because screen size is largely irrelevant - it's all about how far you're sitting from the screen and pixel density.

I actually feel pretty crappy about it, yeah. And I'm sure I'm not alone, otherwise big screens wouldn't... really... be a thing. You wouldn't really suggest that watching TDKR in theaters and at home is the same experience, would you? There's a reason people paid extra on top of that to watch it in IMAX.

Playing a game that's going out of its way to wow you on a small screen just seems like a disservice. In fact, this strikes me so common sensical, I really don't understand how PC gamers can just shrug consoles away. I'm sure pixel density helps (I didn't know that! But it makes sense, of course) but you're still basically listening to a cool new album without headphones... don't you think?

edit: just to clarify, I'd definitely choose PC for moooost multiplayer games. Not only does PC BF3 visually own console BF3, but the servers are better, mouse control is still better, and you're not really trying to be immersed to begin with.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Not even close. I definitely won't be buying the next-gen consoles until at least a year after their release, probably closer to two years. I'm just pretty happy happy with what I've already got, I don't feel like tossing out a few hundred bucks to upgrade. I've still got Bioshock Infinite and The Last of Us coming my way, I don't need anything else.

New gen platform?
Yes I am planning to increase RAM and get better GPU
Thanks for asking :)

pure.Wasted:
I actually feel pretty crappy about it, yeah. And I'm sure I'm not alone, otherwise big screens wouldn't... really... be a thing. You wouldn't really suggest that watching TDKR in theaters and at home is the same experience, would you? There's a reason people paid extra on top of that to watch it in IMAX.

Playing a game that's going out of its way to wow you on a small screen just seems like a disservice. In fact, this strikes me so common sensical, I really don't understand how PC gamers can just shrug consoles away. I'm sure pixel density helps (I didn't know that! But it makes sense, of course) but you're still basically listening to a cool new album without headphones... don't you think?

I said it earlier and I'll say it again, screen size is irrelevant because a 50" TV and a 23" monitor are running at exactly the same resolution (1080p), both screens "fill" your vision because you are sitting proportionately the same distance away from them.
In fact I would say a 23" monitor viewed from 2 feet away fills far more of your vision than a 50" plasma viewed from 3-4 meters away - this is one of the crucial reasons behind why most PC gamers demand a 90-degree Field of View (FoV) enabled in PC ports as opposed to the 55-60 degree FoV that consoles use...but that's another story for another time.

Coming back to pixel density, monitors do a wonderful job of displaying the finer details - and I think you'll agree that often beauty is all about the finer details. Higher-grade IPS/PLS monitors can also display vibrant accurate colors and broad viewing angles which most TV's lack, also there are 120hz monitors which provide insane smoothness and response times (no ghosting/tearing issues) which TV's can't hope to reach.

Combine this with what I also said earlier about convenience and practicality. Remember that gaming is not all people do on computers - we do a lot of web browsing, work stuff, etc and those tasks would be nothing short of retarded to do on a big TV screen. It's easy for people to forget that a gaming computer can do a hell of lot more than just gaming. Browsing porn would also not be smart to do in the living roo--wait, I meant browsing Escapist. Gaming is a side-thing for PC users, in fact quite a few PC gamers have 2 screens (one running a game, one for web browsing).
Secondly mice/keyboards also need stable platforms and don't exactly have super-long cable lengths like console controllers. Also most people can't place a 50" TV on their computer desk in fear of it falling over, or their eyeballs melting due to sitting 2 feet away from such a giant screen.

You get the idea by this point I hope?

Not really. I had over 100 PS3 games during my last count(a while ago) and have just started replaying some of them. Got Far Cry 3 on it's way here and some other releases I'm gonna pick up when they get cheaper, so there's still a lot to do.
If the PS4 is backwards compatible I'll pick it up when it gets a lot cheaper or my PS3 dies, but otherwise I got a few years left with this baby.

Also started using my PS3 as a Netflix player when I discovered you could. Love it! <3

The 360 is turning 8 this year.

When the 360 came out, everyone was using flip phones.

The xbox 360 came out in 2005, in 2006 Reasearch In Motion's Blackberry was called the "Crackberry" This year, Research in Motion is struggling to stay relevant and out of bankruptcy because no one gives a rat's ass about blackberry's anymore. Microsoft gets a free pass because they have a strangle hold on the software and the platform. They have you by the cajones.

Relatively speaking, the 360 was a dinosaur 2 years ago. Now it's just pathetic.

pure.Wasted:

Aaron Sylvester:

How do you feel about watching movies in theaters vs watching it on your TV? Are you terrified by the thought of watching the movie on a smaller screen? Of course not, because screen size is largely irrelevant - it's all about how far you're sitting from the screen and pixel density.

I actually feel pretty crappy about it, yeah. And I'm sure I'm not alone, otherwise big screens wouldn't... really... be a thing. You wouldn't really suggest that watching TDKR in theaters and at home is the same experience, would you? There's a reason people paid extra on top of that to watch it in IMAX.

Playing a game that's going out of its way to wow you on a small screen just seems like a disservice. In fact, this strikes me so common sensical, I really don't understand how PC gamers can just shrug consoles away. I'm sure pixel density helps (I didn't know that! But it makes sense, of course) but you're still basically listening to a cool new album without headphones... don't you think?

.

*facepalm*

No..:its not

again the size of the screen doesn't matter when your a Cople of feet away from it, if anything I feel like the effect is better than a big ass tv, there just so much detail, a computer monitor is not the same as a small tv, it's all there in front of you

So no, pc gamers are not missing out, if anything they are getting a better deal

As it stands, the most important question for me is: Will any next-gen console make me want to buy one?

Not even talking about supposed DRM measures or something, but as i see it, next-gen consoles won't be able to be TOO impressive in terms of graphics (at least not as much as the PS1->PS2->PS3 jumps) and may have to find other ways to impress me.

I'm still not sure whether or not i'll buy a next-gen console or try to build a gaming HTPC (i really don't like playing on a Desk, as i sit at one the entire day anyways, and i don't want to buy a second 5.1 sound system), but at least when i choose consoles i won't buy one until next year anyways (i don't buy consoles until there is at least a small selection of good games).

So for this year, I'm excited, but i am still rocking the ol' 360, and will be most likely happy with it. I have multiple Levels of Games in my Backlog and new and exciting games are still coming strong (March alone will make my buy Tomb Raider and Bioshock Infinite, two games i've been excited for years).

So no, i am not done.

I don't use my 360 much any more after migrating to the lands of the pc. So I would welcome the gen change even if it just increased the potential of cross platform games. Also after reading some replies in the thread, better hardware does not just mean prettier graphics and load times.

Aaron Sylvester:

pure.Wasted:
I actually feel pretty crappy about it, yeah. And I'm sure I'm not alone, otherwise big screens wouldn't... really... be a thing. You wouldn't really suggest that watching TDKR in theaters and at home is the same experience, would you? There's a reason people paid extra on top of that to watch it in IMAX.

Playing a game that's going out of its way to wow you on a small screen just seems like a disservice. In fact, this strikes me so common sensical, I really don't understand how PC gamers can just shrug consoles away. I'm sure pixel density helps (I didn't know that! But it makes sense, of course) but you're still basically listening to a cool new album without headphones... don't you think?

I said it earlier and I'll say it again, screen size is irrelevant because a 50" TV and a 23" monitor are running at exactly the same resolution (1080p), both screens "fill" your vision because you are sitting proportionately the same distance away from them.
In fact I would say a 23" monitor viewed from 2 feet away fills far more of your vision than a 50" plasma viewed from 3-4 meters away - this is one of the crucial reasons behind why most PC gamers demand a 90-degree Field of View (FoV) enabled in PC ports as opposed to the 55-60 degree FoV that consoles use...but that's another story for another time.

2 meters. 8D

I don't know. Going back to a movie example, a laptop on my chest while I'm lying down might fill the same amount of vision as my HD from a distance, but it really doesn't make sense to me that the visual experience would be the same. It certainly hasn't felt the same anytime I've done it before. I guess I'll have to try moving back to PC and see... there are certainly enough incentives, no doubt about that.

Coming back to pixel density, monitors do a wonderful job of displaying the finer details - and I think you'll agree that often beauty is all about the finer details. Higher-grade IPS/PLS monitors can also display vibrant accurate colors and broad viewing angles which most TV's lack, also there are 120hz monitors which provide insane smoothness and response times (no ghosting/tearing issues) which TV's can't hope to reach.

Interesting stuff, this. Especially the FoV bit earlier. What happens when the FoV isn't bumped up for PCs? Does that negatively affect the resolution? I'm sure you can tell I'm no technical expert... but it seems there would be more consequences than just "it doesn't look as good as it could."

Combine this with what I also said earlier about convenience and practicality. Remember that gaming is not all people do on computers - we do a lot of web browsing, work stuff, etc and those tasks would be nothing short of retarded to do on a big TV screen. It's easy for people to forget that a gaming computer can do a hell of lot more than just gaming. Browsing porn would also not be smart to do in the living roo--wait, I meant browsing Escapist. Gaming is a side-thing for PC users, in fact quite a few PC gamers have 2 screens (one running a game, one for web browsing).
Secondly mice/keyboards also need stable platforms and don't exactly have super-long cable lengths like console controllers. Also most people can't place a 50" TV on their computer desk in fear of it falling over, or their eyeballs melting due to sitting 2 feet away from such a giant screen.

Well, there's no argument here, I mean I'm typing this from my laptop, not my PS3. :) I wouldn't last a day without an actual computer. And between the SNES and the PS3 I was all PC.

In any case I won't be buying one anytime soon - only in the past year have I really started building a collection of PS3 games that I'm barely halfway through.

On the one hand, the sooner they release it; the sooner I can ignore it for a few years while they make better models of them that have more memory and run better, and to let them make enough games for me to really want it. However, it means I likely won't get to play new releases for a while again =S Perks and cons of being a few years behind I guess!

yes, i cant get enough of my Morse key.
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peep-pep pepepepepep peeep.

thank god we cant have several other systems coexisting at the same time and i just dont give a crap that it affects another gaming communication system. why should i?

they should adapt to me!


and everyone knows that other forms of communication are happily dying since 1980.
it would be a huge waste of time for communicators and developers !

I am in the process of buying 4th-6th gen consoles & games. Sofar the Nintendo DS looks like it will be my favorite of the year.

Nope. I haven't had time to finish playing all of my games. I'm still okay with the quality gen games that are coming out. Quality seems decent enough for me really.

Maevine:
Unless Sony decides to make the PS4 backwards-compatible, I'm completely disinterested in the next-gen consoles. Instead, I think I'll spend the next few years working on my Wii collection, what with used Wii games being phenominally cheap and all.

Almost my point too. I`m not disinterested but with my recent collection it`s pretty important that i can still play those games. There are so many exclusives on the ps3 and it would be a mistake if we couldn`t play them anymore.

OldDirtyCrusty:

Maevine:
Unless Sony decides to make the PS4 backwards-compatible, I'm completely disinterested in the next-gen consoles. Instead, I think I'll spend the next few years working on my Wii collection, what with used Wii games being phenominally cheap and all.

Almost my point too. I`m not disinterested but with my recent collection it`s pretty important that i can still play those games. There are so many exclusives on the ps3 and it would be a mistake if we couldn`t play them anymore.

What's wrong with playing them on the PS3... that you still have?

Yes, I hardly use my PS3 anymore. It is massively inferior to my PC in every way and I am tired of all the ports of "AAA" console games that look like they are from 2006.

pure.Wasted:

OldDirtyCrusty:

Maevine:
Unless Sony decides to make the PS4 backwards-compatible, I'm completely disinterested in the next-gen consoles. Instead, I think I'll spend the next few years working on my Wii collection, what with used Wii games being phenominally cheap and all.

Almost my point too. I`m not disinterested but with my recent collection it`s pretty important that i can still play those games. There are so many exclusives on the ps3 and it would be a mistake if we couldn`t play them anymore.

What's wrong with playing them on the PS3... that you still have?

Nothing, but i know me and when the next gen with all the new shine and glory arives i want that too and i`d like to have it combined rather than having 2 consoles under the tv.
This is only a bit future babbeling i know that i won`t/can`t afford the new ps4 when it`s out fresh and i`m still a bit cautios with all the talk about canning the used game buisness, if this is the case i will probably switch to pc gaming anyway.

Whenever I hear about PC vs Console crap wars I will always see this when thinking of the PC platform reminding me that they are not as godlike as they like to believe.

In the end it doesn't actually matter who chooses what console, only as long as they enjoy playing on it is what should truly matter and not what graphical output it could do.

The same goes for the damn K+M vs Gamepad arguments.

Instead of dictating and telling the same garble facts, let them play instead and let them choose for themselves rather than belittle them for their own free choice.

You mean the consoles that are worse off than 2008 mid-high pcs who became obsolete 5 years ago yet drags the gaming market down for years on by their lack of sensible design and forcing developers to cut down content jsut so the console can handle it meanwhile the PC players have to suffer terrible ports as more ans more games being designed for consoles because thats the only way to make them run anymore?
No, im not done with them, i wont be done till i have destroyed everyone who is responsible for them begin dragged on so long.

Isn't the fastest way to make people change is stop producing content for the old console.

Strazdas:
You mean the consoles that are worse off than 2008 mid-high pcs who became obsolete 5 years ago yet drags the gaming market down for years on by their lack of sensible design and forcing developers to cut down content jsut so the console can handle it meanwhile the PC players have to suffer terrible ports as more ans more games being designed for consoles because thats the only way to make them run anymore?
No, im not done with them, i wont be done till i have destroyed everyone who is responsible for them begin dragged on so long.

This is the part where you go on a mighty crusade that spans 2-3 decades to a point where your quest seems endless but you turn around and see everyone is in the future and wars of hardware were resolved a decade back and then you end up suffering a heart attack of sheer joy.

At least that's how I'd see it if the world got in gear like that.

I have been done with this generation of consoles for something like three years, and now I'm just done with consoles period.

RJ 17:
Really I'd be fine if the current gen was the last gen. I mean how much better can the aesthetic appearance of a game get at this point? All they can add are things that will likely piss people off.

I'm baffled as to how anyone at this point can think that there aren't massive improvements to be had.

Let's start with this.

2007

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2011

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What's wrong with the second picture?

The current gen of consoles can barely manage decent looking corridor shooters at (sometimes) 60FPS and (sometimes)720P definition. They are actively limiting as to the amount of animations (Mass Effect 3) or different armor models a developer can stick on a character (Skyrim). Developing for a console at this point is a stream of cutbacks in content and features. Games can get a fuckton better looking, a fuckton bigger and a fuckton more dynamic, and they are not getting anywhere with this generation of consoles, it's that simple. And no, "all they can add" isn't just stuff that would piss people off. That's a ludicrous statement on its face.

Man, with the amount of people who either are ignorant of just how much progress has long since been made past your precious consoles, never mind the progress that's going to be made, or the people who say "Progress? Fuck that, costs money.", I'm having a hard time maintaining a positive outlook on this industry. The current gen of consoles is a tiny, baby step into HD gaming to the point where it can barely handle anything and so many of you want to just stop right there. It's maddening.

As for what in particular can be improved... Listen, if graphics are the only thing that comes to your mind, I don't know what to say. That's about as shallow an understanding of how games work as it gets.

Hazzaslagga:
I don't use my 360 much any more after migrating to the lands of the pc. So I would welcome the gen change even if it just increased the potential of cross platform games. Also after reading some replies in the thread, better hardware does not just mean prettier graphics and load times.

Mine died this year. I will not replace it. I'm doing a lot of PC gaming using STEAM. Great prices, better graphics, and choice of keyboard/mouse or 360 controller.

I am excited about next gen consoles in that I've read current consoles are holding graphics back. Developers are making things for PCs that can be dumbed down for consoles. No idea what the future will look like.

I'll probably do one of two things, either A. I'll get a next gen console because it may be cheaper than updating my PC to be able to play current gen and next gen games well. Or B. I'll just get a new graphics card. I need to see a price first though.

I don't think people really understand just how far behind current consoles are and how many compromises are being made in order to get games to run on them. It's not just about graphics- the paltry amount of RAM that current consoles have has affected the way games are designed. Physics are being held back.

Oh, and that grey and brown you guys hate so much? Part of that is actually because of how difficult it is to render a wider color pallet without exposing weaknesses in the lighting engine.

The current consoles will still have a year or two of life after the new gen is released, so it's not like you'll be forced to buy a new one right away. Unless there's some always-online shenanigans being pulled by the next get, I'm ready to move on.

Out of curiosity, which (unreleased?) games have the most technically impressive visuals out there? The Watch Dogs gameplay trailer reeeally impressed me. Is there anything on the PC horizon that's truly spectacular?

I look at my shelf of games and my PS2 games take up a little over half the book case. I have half a shelf for my PS3 titles. So either this console generation has been really shitty(check) or it's getting to be too expensive and time consuming to make games which is why there has been so little of them to come out, it still feels like this generation isn't finished. (check).

It's been eight years, (I think) it just hasn't been the best generation. So yeah, I'm done, let's see if we can't do better next time though. Also I'm really done with the shitty anti-aliasing.

I picked up a 360 just 4 months ago, I has a massive backlog of games to still buy. So no I'm not ready at all, but I've always been a few years behind. I could do with a new PC too, mine won't run much from this gen.

I know I wasn't asking for it. There's plenty I could get out of my current consoles, but more than that, it's unnecessary.

Worse yet, it'll probably be years before I can afford them.

pure.Wasted:
Out of curiosity, which (unreleased?) games have the most technically impressive visuals out there? The Watch Dogs gameplay trailer reeeally impressed me. Is there anything on the PC horizon that's truly spectacular?

Unfortunately, everything is still being made to be scalable for consoles, so we're really not seeing much. I'd really love to see what John Carmack could do with Doom 4 if he doesn't have to put it on the 360/PS3.

The current gen came too soon.
Unless they invented a load-free or something 90% better, there's no real reason to come out with a new console generation - AGAIN.

BloodSquirrel:
I don't think people really understand just how far behind current consoles are and how many compromises are being made in order to get games to run on them. It's not just about graphics- the paltry amount of RAM that current consoles have has affected the way games are designed. Physics are being held back.

Oh, and that grey and brown you guys hate so much? Part of that is actually because of how difficult it is to render a wider color pallet without exposing weaknesses in the lighting engine.

Yes, because it's not like there have been good looking, colourful games released on current-gen consoles or anything.

I hate the industry's love of brown-and-grey as much as the next person, but there have been plenty of other games showing that colour and vibrancy are at least an option.

Consoles don't matter, games matter. I haven't seen any next-gen game that looks intriguing. So until one does shown, I have no intrigue in the next-generation of consoles.

I don't think we need an upgrade in console power.

What we need is to keep pushing game innovation. It's not the quality of the graphics that will sell, but the decisions in the actual gameplay and the creativity in open-worlds and the stories and characters and puzzles and environmental experiments.

Look at PC computers. They do everything we need and more. Who really needs more RAM or memory? Barely anyone. They peaked. Our consoles rock, what will sell big is the next mashup of RPG and Action or MMO and "whatever". Push those limits first. If all we get out of a new console is another sequel and another sequel where the gameplay is virtually identical to the original (yeah, Halo, you listening?) what's the point? I'll go surfing instead.

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