Legacy of Kain series...

...is it worth going back and trying to play these games? I'm a big fan of action-adventure games, so I was curious about this series, but I want to hear from people who have played them.

Can't speak to the earliest ones, but Soul Reaver, Soul Reaver 2, and Defiance are certainly worth playing. Though they are less action-adventure games and more story-driven, action-puzzle games. The combat is kinda clunky in the Soul Reaver games and often unnecessary as you can just run past some enemies until you reach the area boss. The focus is much more on the environmental puzzles; pushing blocks, rearranging light beams, etc. But they are great games, you should try them.

Well, have you played Darksiders?
If you liked that series, I think you would enjoy Legacy of Kain.

I'm surprised they haven't made another one. Or a reboot.

The first game, Blood Omen, is on my list of games I play through once every couple of years. Unlike the others it's a top-down adventure game (think Link to the Past but, well, evil) but it's fun and challenging.

Yes! Keep in mind there strong point is in Atmosphere as opposed to combat though!

I'm surprised the series has lay dormant for so long to be honest.

It is absolutely worth a look, but remember that these are old third person games and the camera will be iffy at the best of times.

And if you haven't got Darksiders 1&2 check that out as well, essentially Zelda games made in this decade.

Yes, totally. One of the best stories out there. If you can get your hands on it, Blood Omen is rather cool, too, albeit dated. You can find it on PSN for sure, however on the PC side you'd have to go with abandonware sites - currently it's not sold anywhere else (that I know of). I know GOG are trying to put it in their catalogue, though but I've got no other information. The other games, I'd suggest getting from GOG - Steam doesn't have Blood Omen 2. Here is my suggested playing order with short comments:

1. Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain - I said what I had above. But you can also skip it - you could read about the plot, if you wish. But it has lots of exploration and side things to do.
2. Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver - you'll probably like that, I guess - it is 3D and some exploration (less than in BO, also the last game that featured it) with puzzles, jumping, boss battles that are objective based rather than "reduce life bar to 0 by repeatedly mashing attack" (actually, you to a lesser extent the same can be said about all enemies)
3. Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver 2 - no exploration and no bosses, unfortunately, but I like the story there the most, and I like the puzzles.
4. Legacy of Kain: Blood Omen 2 - I'd say you can safely skip it, however if you do like action adventures, then probably not - it's in fact better (to an extent) in the gameplay department than SR2.
5. Legacy of Kain: Defiance - the puzzles were more meh, bossfights but there was an epic finish, at least. Not a complete finish but at least it was really intriguing.

You can also swap 4. and 5. - I just prefer them in this order.

EDIT: Oh, I forgot to mention - if you want an excellent plot overview, I know no better place to look at than here - it's essentially the entire story told as you would play through it (more or less) and an excellent read.

And one other thing - if you do get the games from GOG, I think they have the wrong intro for SR1 (although it might be fixed) - just replace it with this one. Basically, they had the intro from the beta version, for some reason, so it sounded slightly different than the final one.

Mr.K.:
It is absolutely worth a look, but remember that these are old third person games and the camera will be iffy at the best of times.

And if you haven't got Darksiders 1&2 check that out as well, essentially Zelda games made in this decade.

Yeah, I've played both Darksiders. :) They were pretty awesome, it's a shame about Vigil... I thought they had something really good there.

EDIT: Actually, now that I think about it, if they ever made a new Legacy of Kain game, they should try and get some of the people who made Darksiders to help...

DoPo:
Yes, totally. One of the best stories out there. If you can get your hands on it, Blood Omen is rather cool, too, albeit dated. You can find it on PSN for sure, however on the PC side you'd have to go with abandonware sites - currently it's not sold anywhere else (that I know of). I know GOG are trying to put it in their catalogue, though but I've got no other information. The other games, I'd suggest getting from GOG - Steam doesn't have Blood Omen 2. Here is my suggested playing order with short comments:

1. Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain - I said what I had above. But you can also skip it - you could read about the plot, if you wish. But it has lots of exploration and side things to do.
2. Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver - you'll probably like that, I guess - it is 3D and some exploration (less than in BO, also the last game that featured it) with puzzles, jumping, boss battles that are objective based rather than "reduce life bar to 0 by repeatedly mashing attack" (actually, you to a lesser extent the same can be said about all enemies)
3. Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver 2 - no exploration and no bosses, unfortunately, but I like the story there the most, and I like the puzzles.
4. Legacy of Kain: Blood Omen 2 - I'd say you can safely skip it, however if you do like action adventures, then probably not - it's in fact better (to an extent) in the gameplay department than SR2.
5. Legacy of Kain: Defiance - the puzzles were more meh, bossfights but there was an epic finish, at least. Not a complete finish but at least it was really intriguing.

You can also swap 4. and 5. - I just prefer them in this order.

EDIT: Oh, I forgot to mention - if you want an excellent plot overview, I know no better place to look at than here - it's essentially the entire story told as you would play through it (more or less) and an excellent read.

And one other thing - if you do get the games from GOG, I think they have the wrong intro for SR1 (although it might be fixed) - just replace it with this one. Basically, they had the intro from the beta version, for some reason, so it sounded slightly different than the final one.

Well, they sound pretty promising. I will have to check them out!

I'll probably get Soul Reaver from PSN, and the PS2 versions of the other games, though.

Soxafloppin:
Yes! Keep in mind there strong point is in Atmosphere as opposed to combat though!

I'm surprised the series has lay dormant for so long to be honest.

Well, with Crystal Dynamics and square Enix pumping out new entries/reboots of so many of their franchises, I'm sure it won't be long until we see a new game. :)

I just got Soul Reaver of the PSN on my PSP and damn is it good, can't believe i missed out on any of these games before. They are right up my alley. I havn't had all that much time to play it. But hopefully I'll get a chance in the next few weeks when im stuck in bed recovering from back surgery. Then I will either to be amazed at how good the game it or i might realise how good it isn't... not likely though.

SmarterThanYou:
I'll probably get Soul Reaver from PSN, and the PS2 versions of the other games, though.

That's actually a viable possibility, too. I've only played the PC versions myself but I doubt there are any differences. At least with BO, I know that it has better loading times on PC but that's it.

SmarterThanYou:

Soxafloppin:
Yes! Keep in mind there strong point is in Atmosphere as opposed to combat though!

I'm surprised the series has lay dormant for so long to be honest.

Well, with Crystal Dynamics and square Enix pumping out new entries/reboots of so many of their franchises, I'm sure it won't be long until we see a new game. :)

Most recently, SE registered the WarForNosgoth domain name but I'm not really sure what that means. There were rumours for a reboot last year but E3 came and went with nothing at all about them so I'm on the disbelieving side of things right now.

DoPo:
Snip.

You jump on the LoK threads real quick! You summed up what I was going to say, but way better.

This guy is on the money as I am concerned, go by that advice, you won't be disappointed.

Yes, and if you are not afraid of a little more challenge than what modern games offer, definitely start with the first one - Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain. It has the best plot, plenty of exploration, great atmosphere and it shows what difference good voice acting can do for a game.

I adore the Legacy of Kain series. It actually took me about 10 years to play the first one though, since I started with Soul Reaver (SR1, Soul Reaver 2, Blood Omen 2, Defiance). However, when I did eventually get to play it, I was pleasantly surprised to find it was very good. Addictive even. For a game that old, that's a very hard thing to do. So if you can find it, I'd still give it a try, since the graphics are old but the writing and the gameplay is still good.

The rest, I'd have to agree with the guy who first replied. Soul Reaver 1 is probably a little better then Soul Reaver 2, since you feel more compelled to engage in the combat. Soul Reaver 2 you literally can just run past everything if they don't specifically block you off with barriers. Blood Omen 2 had some very interesting gameplay mechanics, and was much longer then the others, but also butchered the storyline and lore a little bit and fans are still out on whether to consider it true canon. Lastly Defiance, which storyline was probably the best since it brings both playable characters together in an awesome battle, and sort of wraps up all the remaining story threads. They really only needed one more game to make the series perfect. Shame. I could go for a reboot I guess.

SmarterThanYou:

Soxafloppin:
Yes! Keep in mind there strong point is in Atmosphere as opposed to combat though!

I'm surprised the series has lay dormant for so long to be honest.

Well, with Crystal Dynamics and square Enix pumping out new entries/reboots of so many of their franchises, I'm sure it won't be long until we see a new game. :)

I dunno man, the guy that played the Elder God died a while back so unless they replace him (hard to do) I'm not sure where they're going to take the series.

I would recommend Soul Reaver 2 at least. Its very fun and addictive. I will warn you to make backup save files as you go. I ran into a glitch late game that prevented me from progressing further. :(

They are definitely worth playing, the story , atmosphere and voice acting are all incredible. Its a shame that one of the major characters voice actors passed away because if they ever continue the game or do a reboot or whatever it will be very different.

Also don't overlook the soul reaver games, they are very very good to and tie in to LOK.

Definitely. Brilliant series.

Best start with the first one. You can get it on PSN now actually.

The series has probably my favourite game story of all time. I just love it. Nice and complex and intertwining with a lot of plot twists, revelations and cross-references.

Soxafloppin:
Yes! Keep in mind there strong point is in Atmosphere as opposed to combat though!

Indeed, it's all about the story and atmosphere.

I couldn't necessarily say the gameplay of any of them particularly moved me... well, Soul Reaver was good, it was quite creative with the 2 different realms and all. That was nice and the combat was pretty fun. SR2 was definitely a bit lacking in comparison.

You could skip Blood Omen 2, it's kind of an irrelevant cluster**** that appears to retcon rather important elements of the plot that some people say is explainable due to alternate universes caused by time travel and... blah blah, it's a ****ing mess.

Beffudled Sheep:
I dunno man, the guy that played the Elder God died a while back so unless they replace him (hard to do) I'm not sure where they're going to take the series.

But didn't

The story of the series is incredible, I definitely recommend these games. They involve time travel so there is a lot of mind fuckery and overlapping events as the characters go through a story that spans many centuries.

Add me to the list of people who wholeheartedly recommend the series. Fun fact: When pitching ideas to Crystal Dynamics, Denis Dyack had Too Human in that list in addition to the Blood Omen concept. The idea is that old. I'd also say it's safe to start with Blood Omen 1, it's aged very well compared to most.

SeanSeanston:
Definitely. Brilliant series.

Best start with the first one. You can get it on PSN now actually.

The series has probably my favourite game story of all time. I just love it. Nice and complex and intertwining with a lot of plot twists, revelations and cross-references.

Soxafloppin:
Yes! Keep in mind there strong point is in Atmosphere as opposed to combat though!

Indeed, it's all about the story and atmosphere.

I couldn't necessarily say the gameplay of any of them particularly moved me... well, Soul Reaver was good, it was quite creative with the 2 different realms and all. That was nice and the combat was pretty fun. SR2 was definitely a bit lacking in comparison.

You could skip Blood Omen 2, it's kind of an irrelevant cluster**** that appears to retcon rather important elements of the plot that some people say is explainable due to alternate universes caused by time travel and... blah blah, it's a ****ing mess.

Beffudled Sheep:
I dunno man, the guy that played the Elder God died a while back so unless they replace him (hard to do) I'm not sure where they're going to take the series.

But didn't

I bought the soul reaver series (+defiance) on a steam sale a few days ago. I've never played them before so I can say this without being blinded by nostalgia: Get them. The first game's control scheme takes some getting used to and the game can get infuriatingly frustrating, especially when it makes you repeat difficult jumping puzzles ad infinitum (and sometimes huge chunks of a level if you as much as miss a step) and the combat system is broken beyond repair (you lose your only weapon after getting hit ONCE), but those issues are mostly fixed in the later games and it's still worth experiencing for the story and characters.

Gameplay wise, they haven't aged pretty well, especially SR2, as for the graphics, the aesthetics have held up remarkably well after so many years, the soundtrack is pretty awesome and I still can't quite get the story entirely.

So yeah, play them for the story and soak up on that atmosphere. And enjoy it's soundtrack:

I tried Soul Reaver 1 recently actually, it's a bit slow paced, but its a very cool game and doesn't hold your hand with the puzzles.

SupahGamuh:
Gameplay wise, they haven't aged pretty well, especially SR2, as for the graphics, the aesthetics have held up remarkably well after so many years, the soundtrack is pretty awesome and I still can't quite get the story entirely.

So yeah, play them for the story and soak up on that atmosphere. And enjoy it's soundtrack:

Also this, the soundtrack is great and eerie.

Beffudled Sheep:

Oh ya... kinda semi-remember that...

Still, I didn't feel too bad at the end of Defiance. In the sense that... knowing LOK isn't exactly considered a AAA franchise and a proper ending wasn't a given... I think it tied up most things reasonably satisfactorily.

Looking on the bright side and trying not to be greedy is all ^_^

Lovely Mixture:
Also this, the soundtrack is great and eerie.

You know, Soul Reaver is ****in' weird in general. Pretty all out freaky and disturbing in a sense. Quite cool. One of those times where the primitive 3D graphics and pixellated textures seem to add to the weirndess. I found a lot of PS1 games a bit freaky that way... I think 5th gen graphics were in some kind of "uncanny valley" of graphical quality. Well, more like freaky valley, in that really simple 3D isn't disturbing, and PS2 pretty much lost that characteristic due to the smoothness and improvement of texture clarity, but PS1 looked weird.

For another example, Emerald Weapon in FFVII always freaked me out. If it had been done in PS3-era graphics, I really don't think it would have. Things like draw-distance really made some games freaky.

SeanSeanston:
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Yeah I feel. There was a sequel planned but after Defiance's poor sales I think they shelved it. Then Tony Jay died and the developer's other titles weren't doing so hot... Definitely the best we could have gotten, especially since they had to try and fit the clusterfuck that was BO2 somewhere in the game as well.
Still I'll keep some hope for a proper sequel. No more Raziel though which saddens me :(

Beffudled Sheep:

SeanSeanston:
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Yeah I feel. There was a sequel planned but after Defiance's poor sales I think they shelved it

They didn't just "plan it", it was actually in development - six months in before the plug got pulled by Eidos.

DoPo:

Beffudled Sheep:

SeanSeanston:
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Yeah I feel. There was a sequel planned but after Defiance's poor sales I think they shelved it

They didn't just "plan it", it was actually in development - six months in before the plug got pulled by Eidos.

Wow, really?
That is quite a bit of crap :/

Beffudled Sheep:

DoPo:

Beffudled Sheep:
Yeah I feel. There was a sequel planned but after Defiance's poor sales I think they shelved it

They didn't just "plan it", it was actually in development - six months in before the plug got pulled by Eidos.

Wow, really?
That is quite a bit of crap :/

Also, Tony Jay returned to the Wheel of Fate in 2006, and he was one of the mayor characters.

DioWallachia:

Beffudled Sheep:

DoPo:

They didn't just "plan it", it was actually in development - six months in before the plug got pulled by Eidos.

Wow, really?
That is quite a bit of crap :/

Also, Tony Jay returned to the Wheel of Fate in 2006, and he was one of the mayor characters.

I was fully aware of his passing. He had a unique and powerful voice. I wonder how they're going to replace him if a sequel ever gets put into development?

There was a sale on all those games on GoG about a month or two ago and they're usually on sale just before Christmas.

 

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