Far Cry 3, is a better RPG than Skyrim.

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Okay, big claim. But I do genuinely believe it. I've played Skyrim extensively (few hundred hours) and I consider myself to be a fairly big fan of the TES series.

The reasons I say that Far Cry 3 is a better RPG than Skyrim;

1; The Combat is FAR better.
2; The crafting system functions much nicer and doesn't break the game.
3; The graphical fidelity and aesthetic choices are far and away better.
4; The characters are far and a way better. The way they interact with the player character, the way they are scripted and the way the story is imparted is just leagues ahead of what Skyrim provides.
5; The story - thus far - is way better. It's pacing, its delivery and its content is just better. Skyrim had allot of potential, it had a great pretense and idea, it just fell on its face from a great height with its delivery.

Obviously, this is all pretty much subjective opinion. But it's what I genuinely think, I'm not even sure that Far Cry 3 is considered an RPG, but based on the properties of what both games offer and the fact that Skyrim IS considered an RPG, I feel that the comparison is somewhat valid.

What do you think?

Soopy:
What do you think?

I think that I learned new stuff now - to be an RPG a game needs to look nice. And to have crafting. And the combat must be good.

That's not really what I was getting at.

The two games share most functions, they both have a leveling system of sorts as well as many other systems.

While I think Skyrim is the better RPG I found myself having more fun on Far Cry 3, everything seemed a little more random and less like it was supposed to happen. Just aimlessly walking around Far Cry felt more like an adventure because of the sheer random nature of it, on Skyrim I kinda knew I was looking for quests to do that had been done a thousand times before by everyone else.

I think really I just didn't like Skyrim all that much :/

You gotta stop using the word RPG, OP.

It doesn't mean what you think it means.

Far Cry 3 is a great game, but it ain't an RPG.

This board is just really really silly sometimes.

Far Cry 3 is not an RPG. But whatever.

Soopy:
1; The Combat is FAR better.
2; The crafting system functions much nicer and doesn't break the game.
3; The graphical fidelity and aesthetic choices are far and away better.
4; The characters are far and a way better. The way they interact with the player character, the way they are scripted and the way the story is imparted is just leagues ahead of what Skyrim provides.
5; The story - thus far - is way better. It's pacing, its delivery and its content is just better. Skyrim had allot of potential, it had a great pretense and idea, it just fell on its face from a great height with its delivery.

1. Doesn't compare. One's a shooter, the other is melee focused. Also Skyrim has magic.
2. It isn't. Crafting is pretty shallow.
3. Graphics are better, but aesthetics are pretty bland. It's just a generic tropical island. It looks beautiful, but there's nothing remarkable about it. Especially not compared to some of the locations in Skyrim.
4. The only character worth mentioning in Far Cry 3 is Vaas. And yes, he's awesome, but so are my Skyrim companions. Not to mention our favorite dragon. You can actually develop a connection with characters in Skyrim. At least that's how I feel. You can't achieve that in Far Cry 3 because it's not an RPG.
5. Can't agree here either. While Skyrim doesn't have a good plot, compared to Far Cry 3 it's a masterpiece. But the thing is, story in Skyrim isn't just the main quest about Alduin. It's all around you. Every piece of lore, the characters, the environment, the quests for various guilds etc. The entire experience is a story. BECAUSE SKYRIM IS AN RPG. Far Cry 3 is just another first person shooter. A pretty good one, but it's not an RPG.

Adam Jensen:
You can actually develop a connection with characters in Skyrim.

What.
What is this.
I don't... I... wuh? You're kidding right?

hazabaza1:

Adam Jensen:
You can actually develop a connection with characters in Skyrim.

What.
What is this.
I don't... I... wuh? You're kidding right?

And the next sentence was

me:
At least that's how I feel.

When you spend a 100 hours with one of your companions, you don't want to see them die. My favorite is Serana. After Dawnguard was released I took her everywhere.

hazabaza1:

Adam Jensen:
You can actually develop a connection with characters in Skyrim.

What.
What is this.
I don't... I... wuh? You're kidding right?

Yeah, that blew me away too.

Someone mentioned that the crafting in FC3 isn't crafting and that it's shallow. This is different to the Skyrim system how?

What makes FC3 less an RPG than Skyrim? Honest question.

Adam Jensen:

hazabaza1:

Adam Jensen:
You can actually develop a connection with characters in Skyrim.

What.
What is this.
I don't... I... wuh? You're kidding right?

And the next sentence was

me:
At least that's how I feel.

When you spend a 100 hours with one of your companions, you don't want to see them die. My favorite is Serana. After Dawnguard was released I took her everywhere.

And I feel differently. This is how opinions work. Mind explaining yours to me? Because I can't understand it in the slightest.

Even bringing them along for a long time they're basically just fighting backpacks with the occasional different line.
While I do like Skyrim the characters all look so similar and the armour is generally so bland and replaceable that companions are pretty much expendable.

Skyrim has dragons and orcs.
Does Far Cry 3 have dragons and orcs?

There you go.

Caiphus:
Skyrim has dragons and orcs.
Does Far Cry 3 have dragons and orcs?

There you go.

So fallout isn't an RPG?

By this logic, you cannot have an RPG without a fantasy setting.

Soopy:

Caiphus:
Skyrim has dragons and orcs.
Does Far Cry 3 have dragons and orcs?

There you go.

So fallout isn't an RPG?

By this logic, you cannot have an RPG without a fantasy setting.

If you took my super serious post to its logical conclusion then yes, fallout is not an rpg.

We should take this to the Better Business Bureau right away, you and me.

Caiphus:

Soopy:

Caiphus:
Skyrim has dragons and orcs.
Does Far Cry 3 have dragons and orcs?

There you go.

So fallout isn't an RPG?

By this logic, you cannot have an RPG without a fantasy setting.

If you took my super serious post to its logical conclusion then yes, fallout is not an rpg.

We should take this to the Better Business Bureau right away, you and me.

It's kinda hard to tell who's being sarcastic and who's not on these forums.

In an RPG sense Skyrim is better technically.

In FC3 you can play the game quite comfortably without taking any of the upgrades. Sure they make the game much easier but they're not central to the gameplay (unless you want a bitchin' tattoo). There were many times when I was playing when I had a whole bunch of skill points just sitting there that I hadn't spent, but it didn't make any difference to the difficulty. Skyrim on the other hand the skills are central to advancing in the game and in some cases the plot, you need them if you want to progress, it's a technical thing. FC3 relies more on the hunting and crafting element rather than the actual skills you choose.

Also, on the defining side of things, FC3 is an action game with RPG elements, Skyrim is an RPG with action elements.

Both great games, but if you put them in an RPG-off, Skyrim would take the cake.

Offworlder:
In an RPG sense Skyrim is better technically.

In FC3 you can play the game quite comfortably without taking any of the upgrades. Sure they make the game much easier but they're not central to the gameplay (unless you want a bitchin' tattoo). There were many times when I was playing when I had a whole bunch of skill points just sitting there that I hadn't spent, but it didn't make any difference to the difficulty. Skyrim on the other hand the skills are central to advancing in the game and in some cases the plot, you need them if you want to progress, it's a technical thing. FC3 relies more on the hunting and crafting element rather than the actual skills you choose.

Also, on the defining side of things, FC3 is an action game with RPG elements, Skyrim is an RPG with action elements.

Both great games, but if you put them in an RPG-off, Skyrim would take the cake.

That's a fair conclusion. I guess as I was playing FC3 it occured to me just how much alike the two were. Then it occured to me that FC3 PLAYS a fair bit better than what Skyrim does. I just feel more engaged with it, rather than like I am completing a chore.

Soopy:
Okay, big claim. But I do genuinely believe it. I've played Skyrim extensively (few hundred hours) and I consider myself to be a fairly big fan of the TES series.

The reasons I say that Far Cry 3 is a better RPG than Skyrim;

1; The Combat is FAR better.
2; The crafting system functions much nicer and doesn't break the game.
3; The graphical fidelity and aesthetic choices are far and away better.
4; The characters are far and a way better. The way they interact with the player character, the way they are scripted and the way the story is imparted is just leagues ahead of what Skyrim provides.
5; The story - thus far - is way better. It's pacing, its delivery and its content is just better. Skyrim had allot of potential, it had a great pretense and idea, it just fell on its face from a great height with its delivery.

Obviously, this is all pretty much subjective opinion. But it's what I genuinely think, I'm not even sure that Far Cry 3 is considered an RPG, but based on the properties of what both games offer and the fact that Skyrim IS considered an RPG, I feel that the comparison is somewhat valid.

What do you think?

I think what you're actually saying is that Far Cry 3 feels more absorbing and immersive than Skyrim, as opposed to "Far Cry 3 is a better RPG than Skyrim"?

I've yet to play Far Cry 3, but being as I found Skyrim about as absorbing and immersive as chewing an old shoe I don't find it hard to believe your claim at all.

In fact I'd quite like to hear how close to an RPG Far Cry 3 is and why?

Soopy:

Offworlder:
In an RPG sense Skyrim is better technically.

In FC3 you can play the game quite comfortably without taking any of the upgrades. Sure they make the game much easier but they're not central to the gameplay (unless you want a bitchin' tattoo). There were many times when I was playing when I had a whole bunch of skill points just sitting there that I hadn't spent, but it didn't make any difference to the difficulty. Skyrim on the other hand the skills are central to advancing in the game and in some cases the plot, you need them if you want to progress, it's a technical thing. FC3 relies more on the hunting and crafting element rather than the actual skills you choose.

Also, on the defining side of things, FC3 is an action game with RPG elements, Skyrim is an RPG with action elements.

Both great games, but if you put them in an RPG-off, Skyrim would take the cake.

That's a fair conclusion. I guess as I was playing FC3 it occured to me just how much alike the two were. Then it occured to me that FC3 PLAYS a fair bit better than what Skyrim does. I just feel more engaged with it, rather than like I am completing a chore.

FC3 does play better, like I said, it's an action game at heart. And that grindyness of Skyrim makes it even more like an RPG, grinding for levels and such.

But each to their own, I'm not trying to force something on you, follow your heart my brother.

Captcha: rolling stone

Well if you insist:

SpunkeyMonkey:

Soopy:
Okay, big claim. But I do genuinely believe it. I've played Skyrim extensively (few hundred hours) and I consider myself to be a fairly big fan of the TES series.

The reasons I say that Far Cry 3 is a better RPG than Skyrim;

1; The Combat is FAR better.
2; The crafting system functions much nicer and doesn't break the game.
3; The graphical fidelity and aesthetic choices are far and away better.
4; The characters are far and a way better. The way they interact with the player character, the way they are scripted and the way the story is imparted is just leagues ahead of what Skyrim provides.
5; The story - thus far - is way better. It's pacing, its delivery and its content is just better. Skyrim had allot of potential, it had a great pretense and idea, it just fell on its face from a great height with its delivery.

Obviously, this is all pretty much subjective opinion. But it's what I genuinely think, I'm not even sure that Far Cry 3 is considered an RPG, but based on the properties of what both games offer and the fact that Skyrim IS considered an RPG, I feel that the comparison is somewhat valid.

What do you think?

I think what you're actually saying is that Far Cry 3 feels more absorbing and immersive than Skyrim, as opposed to "Far Cry 3 is a better RPG than Skyrim"?

I've yet to play Far Cry 3, but being as I found Skyrim about as absorbing and immersive as chewing an old shoe I don't find it hard to believe your claim at all.

In fact I'd quite like to hear how close to an RPG Far Cry 3 is and why?

Yes, the title is intentionally inflammatory in that sense. Perhaps to highlight how poor an RPG Skyrim is, in my opinion.
As a GAME, I tend to think that FC3 is simply better. It's comparible to Skyrim on many fronts and in my opinion at least superior in most all comparable facets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvMQAkoue6w

This sums up allot of my sentiments.

Soopy:

Yes, the title is intentionally inflammatory in that sense. Perhaps to highlight how poor an RPG Skyrim is, in my opinion.
As a GAME, I tend to think that FC3 is simply better. It's comparible to Skyrim on many fronts and in my opinion at least superior in most all comparable facets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvMQAkoue6w

This sums up allot of my sentiments.

Cheers for the link dude, I'll have to check it out later as I'm at work at the mo and have no Youtube access :(

Totally agree with Skyrim though, and the fact that it's even classed as an RPG is a bit worrying. I remember doing one mission where a a group of warriors were wanting to wipe out a village (Whiterun I think) and my wife & home where there. What was the choices I was given? "Yes" we wipe it our or "Yes" we wipe it out. Talk about an immersion killer - like I'm gonna say yes to a bunch of grunts slaughtering my family just because they live in a certain village.

All that vast, carefully crafted world and not an ounce of soul or depth amongst the lot of it.

Soopy:

Caiphus:
Skyrim has dragons and orcs.
Does Far Cry 3 have dragons and orcs?

There you go.

So fallout isn't an RPG?

By this logic, you cannot have an RPG without a fantasy setting.

fallout has orcs ( supermutants ) and dragons ( deathclaws ) :D

The difference for me is that Skyrim actually knows what it is, while Far Cry 3 just wants to be everyone's best friend. I can almost see the FC3 developers sitting round a table saying, 'So people like Skyrim, right? So lets put in some levelling, dungeons, magical objects (compass) and flowers to make magic potions that let you see through walls and resist fire. And people like Red Dead Redemption and GTA, right? So let's put in some poker, racing, hunting and skinning animals and lots of random encounters, and people saying 'fuck.' And people like Call of Duty and Medal of Honour, right? So let's put in some generic gunplay and big colourful signs on top of all the objectives and enemies' heads, and hold the player's hand as much as we can. Oh, and a couple of people liked FC2, I suppose, so best put some fire in. Tada!'

The whole time I'm playing FC3 I can hear the game shrieking at me, 'Like me, like me, like me!' And I do like it, I guess, but all in all I prefer a game that knows what it is and invites you in if you're interested - like Skyrim. I only started Skyrim a couple of weeks ago but it has basically cast its shadow over every other game I play because of how immersive it is. Yeah there's some grinding, but that's kind of the point of an RPG and if it feels like a chore you probably just don't like RPGs. I spent six hours last night doing nothing but working on my house and making fittings for it (Hearthfire DLC). A chore to be sure, but a hugely enjoyable one. Skyrim is a game where I never feel rushed, while in FC3 I feel like it just wants me to barrel ahead to the next objective - it even feels the need to give me permission from time to time to 'explore the island and come when you're ready', something which should be a given in a sandbox game and not need pointing out. That looks like something they added after playtesting to me, because people weren't feeling the need to spend any more time than necessary free roaming. Skyrim is the opposite - I never feel pressured to go off on an adventure, but do so when the moment seizes me. Again, just like an RPG.

The case could be made that FC3 is a better game, although that's subjective of course and I certainly prefer Skyrim. But FC3 a better RPG? Not if the term 'RPG' means anything.

Soopy:
Okay, big claim. But I do genuinely believe it. I've played Skyrim extensively (few hundred hours) and I consider myself to be a fairly big fan of the TES series.

The reasons I say that Far Cry 3 is a better RPG than Skyrim;

1; The Combat is FAR better.
2; The crafting system functions much nicer and doesn't break the game.
3; The graphical fidelity and aesthetic choices are far and away better.
4; The characters are far and a way better. The way they interact with the player character, the way they are scripted and the way the story is imparted is just leagues ahead of what Skyrim provides.
5; The story - thus far - is way better. It's pacing, its delivery and its content is just better. Skyrim had allot of potential, it had a great pretense and idea, it just fell on its face from a great height with its delivery.

Obviously, this is all pretty much subjective opinion. But it's what I genuinely think, I'm not even sure that Far Cry 3 is considered an RPG, but based on the properties of what both games offer and the fact that Skyrim IS considered an RPG, I feel that the comparison is somewhat valid.

What do you think?

1.) It is NOT AN RPG. It is a First Person Shooter set in an Open World.
2.) Don't Compare games of two different genre's.
3.) Don't Compare Games. Each game is different. Leave it at that -_-

I didn't like Far Cry 3- there was a huge segregation between gameplay and story that took me out of the whole game. Also, does FC3 actually have any RPG elements? You can get upgrades for yourself... but you can get all of them, and it's not particularly difficult.
Literally yes FC3 is a role playing game as you play a role... but by that standards XCOM is an RPG, and so is CoD, Assassin's Creed and even FIFA. I didn't find any way in the game to make myself different than my other playthroughs... Save the gun camo I guess.
Also I thought the crafting wasn't better in any way. You got the hides, you got the upgrades. That's not exactly in-depth, especially not compared to Skyrim where you have to discover the traits of the ingredients and then experiment by making potions to find the best combinations.
Since when did looks make a game an RPG anyway? Or story (for which I prefer Skyrim's)
But I'm biased. Skyrim is my second favourite game from my favourite developer... Far Cry 3 is just Far Cry 2 with some bits added and some bits removed.

Soopy:
The reasons I say that Far Cry 3 is a better RPG than Skyrim;

***reasons***

Obviously, this is all pretty much subjective opinion. But it's what I genuinely think, I'm not even sure that Far Cry 3 is considered an RPG, but based on the properties of what both games offer and the fact that Skyrim IS considered an RPG, I feel that the comparison is somewhat valid.

What do you think?

I think in that first sentence I've quoted there, you should change the word 'RPG' for 'game'. Do that and your point works for your opinion and perspective.

Now I've not played Far Cry 3 yet so correct me if I'm wrong here. Sure, Skyrim and Far Cry 3 might have a lot of similar elements in the realm of gameplay: open world; non-linear progression; levelling up; skills; range of available equipment fitting various playstyles; crafting; etc. But the difference is here: in Skyrim you create a character: choose their sex, appearance, race, name and so on. You then play through the game, choose what sort of person you're going to be and how they are aligned. This is part of what makes Skyrim an RPG. In Far Cry 3 you are always the same guy. Sure, in different playthroughs you might allocate your skills differently and play a sniper-type as opposed to a balls-out thug, but in the end you're the same guy making the same sort of progression through the same story. This is what makes Far Cry 3 not an RPG.

Last time I checked, Far Cry 3 was an action adventure game.

I couldn't agree more. I love TES games, but I hate what they did to Skyrim. Taking out the classes and the system of Attributes governing over Skills really ruined character building for me. It becomes too unfocused and on top of that, they really limited the magic in the game. For example, Alteration used to be about alter-ing the world around you, used for things like: walking on water, burdening opponents, unlocking doors, levitation, etc... Now its just basically centered around making defense barriers plus one or two other spells (which were originally part of different magic skills), which was only ONE of its uses back then. I mean its ridiculous to have an orc and a wood elf run and jump at the exact same speed and high from the get go with no development. I liked the visual aesthetics of Skyrim being reminiscent of Morrowind, but compared to Morrowind and Oblivion, Skyrim as a gameworld is just unoriginal. I dunno what kind of weird Viking/Norse phase Bethesda was going through, but I sure hope they got it out of their systems.

Better name would have been, The Elder Scrolls V: Have We Mentioned We're Really Into Vikings ATM?

EDIT: Maybe FC3 isn't great for Roleplay, but it handles its RPG elements better. Then again, its kinda difficult to Roleplay as anything other than a Nord in Skyrim. I tried role-playing in skyrim as a Dark Elf, and the only way I could do that is by not getting involved in the civil war, ignoring the main quest, the companions' questline, and the Thieves guild questline. It just makes you feel like you don't belong, I mean I don't fucking want to be Mr. Big Viking hero who yells at dragons and hopes to end up in Sovngard (aka "pretend Valhalla"). As far as my Dunmer character is concerned, Skyrim can fuck off, why should I save them from dragons?!

End rant.

Soopy:

What makes FC3 less an RPG than Skyrim? Honest question.

First we'd need to know what exactly an RPG is, or at least what you think an RPG is.

Dunno what other people mean by RPG. When I use that term I mean progression mechanics. Most people use "RPG-elements" to mean some sort of subtle progression system within another genre. RPGs tend to use progression as a central theme, so that your character starts off, both in gameplay and in the story, as a relative insignificant but grows in strength as the game goes on. That's what I mean by it anyway.

But, like, pretty much everything has some sort of RPG-elements in it now. Especially in that umbrella "Action Adventure" genre (now what the hell does that one mean?). And then it's a fine line between an RPG and a game with RPG-elements; probably boils down to elitism more than anything. I haven't played Farcry 3 yet so I can't really say one way or the other.

The general gist of the convo appears to be:

-Don't compare an FPS with RPG elements to a First Person RPG.
-If you prefer FarCry as a game, just say it
-Both games have limited crafting.

Ok... An RPG is a game where you can take on the role of a character, and you can make the decisions on how they develop, how they interact with the world and eventually how they turn out in the end! A good RPG will allow you to develop your character in vastly different play styles, effecting how you go about completing levels/fights/missions at the very least. (IMO)

Far Cry 3 doesn't let you do much of that at all... the only development options for your character don't really change the way you play at all... it just increases your capability! That is all indications of development in an action game!

The reason the crafting in Skyrim is much more in depth is initially due to the way you have to do lots of it to level up. You initially start with basic skills, and have to develop them with practice to make and improve better levels of armour... You then have the much more in depth enchanting, which is part of Skyrims crafting mechanic... Far Cry has nothing close... all it has is a really weird 'match the animal skins to the upgrade' mechanic... Please someone explain how I upgraded my wallet using the skins of 2 entire sharks!!?

Far Cry 3 is a great game... I am not denying that! I had loads of fun with it... and I loved how dynamic the gameplay was at times. But it was no RPG... You were Jason fucking Brody... and that was just about it... you played a winey teen, who didn't have much going for him, and you didn't have the chance to do much to change that!

If Far Cry is an RPG, then so is Uncharted, Tomb Raider, Gears of War, Enslaved, and many many more!

i think many games are better than Skyrim but it's all subjective.

Don't compare FPS with RPG, Far Cry 3 and Skyrim are very different games! What game is best out of those two is matter of personal preference.

Soopy:
Obviously, this is all pretty much subjective opinion.

I was in an agreeable position until I read this line. I haven't played FC3, but I was interested in how it stacked up to Skyrim in terms of RPGness, as Skyrim isn't deep enough to wash your hands in. You had a nice list of reasonable points, and you came to a good conclusion. And then you said that, and your entire line of rational and objective thought was washed down the drain. Have confidence in what you say, otherwise don't say anything at all.

Capitano Segnaposto:
1.) It is NOT AN RPG. It is a First Person Shooter set in an Open World.
2.) Don't Compare games of two different genre's.
3.) Don't Compare Games. Each game is different. Leave it at that -_-

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1.) So? If it is a better RPG, it is a better RPG. If it has better combat, it has better first-person combat.
2.) Genre is irrelevant when comparing the same aspects of two games, which the OP did.
3.) So if we can't compare games, what is a good game? What is a bad game? What should I spend my time on? What should I spend my money on? Should we ignore the successes or mistakes of other games because "we can't compare them"?

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