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Muckraker  Posts: 237 Joined: 22 Jan 2008     | |
Paperboy  Posts: 20 Joined: 13 Feb 2008    | I fucking love the PS3. I bought the 600 gig one when it was first released, sold it on Ebay for four times the price I bought it. That fucker practically got me a college tuition. XD In all seriousness, the reasons the PS3 has gotten shit thrown on it have already been mentioned. One I didn't notice was the point of those required install times. What the hell? Twenty minutes to play a game? What's that kind of bullshit? Just as a point, the whole Blu-ray thing that's gotten up in the news lately doesn't mean a thing. Am I going to pay some 400 odd dollars, just to watch the sweat glisten from the actors' faces? No, that's just got stupid written on it. PS3 sales may have been going up for the fact that it's marketed, now, as a blu-ray player, rather than a gaming console, which is a very strange thing for Sony to do. Don't they have their own player out on the market? |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2240 Joined: 12 Oct 2007   |
What other points? You want to argue things that are entirely opinions as facts, then you go on to declare victory over and over again. You keep bringing up MGS4 and FF13 as if those are the only two games that are out or will be coming out for the PS3, keep naming games that are in fact multiplatform as 360 exsclusives to bolster your points. But you cannot argue with Microsoft having to eat something like 1 Billion USD for warranties, you cannot argue that it is comparatively more expensive to buy certain addons for the 360 than it would be to get the same thing for the PS3, you cannot argue that the ability to install Linux without voiding the warranty makes the system far more versatile than the 360, you can't argue that not having to pay to play online is a huge plus when you consider that as far as the gameplay experience itself goes the two networks are equal and the only real edge Xbox Live has, has nothing to do with the Xbox Live service itself.
When will the rumor of MGS4 going to the 360 die? If developers are so pissed off why is it that the people doing Far Cry 2 have had good things to say about the PS3 and the things it has available to it? Why is Lucasarts saying that their next game will be developed on the PS3 as the lead platform? Epic said that they really liked the open endedness of the Playstation 3, so really not all developers feel animosity towards the system. Just who are you trying to convince? If you want to know why I think the PS3 is better than the 360 you might want to try reading the thread. Ps here is a link to conan on amazon:http://www.amazon.com/THQ-99022-Conan/dp/B000SH3XCW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1204283785&sr=1-2 |
Paperboy  Posts: 23 Joined: 5 Oct 2007   | Personally, I think a little bit of it is down to sony themselves. One of the things Ive noticed is how sony criticise other companies choices before doing a similar thing, or how they randomly go back on their own words. A couple of things on their criticism. As for their breaking their own words, backwards compatability and dual shock. As I said, Europe has always felt a little left behind. The backwards compatability issue, the huge delay of the european release left a bit of resentment on our soils, it probably didnt help either with the 'advertisments' that didnt exactly see the PS3 as a gaming machine. Edit: Oh, another thing that I think alot of people like to give sony flak for is probably the amount of games that went multi-platform (Even though its happening with a bunch of 360 titles too) |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2240 Joined: 12 Oct 2007 |
Honestly though backwards compatibility is not that important. You also need to keep in mind that the PS2 was still selling very well at the time; if you are looking to cut costs one of the things that would go would be the emotion chip since people buy consoles to play new games and if you have any real desire to play old games you probably already have the PS2, or are one of the many people who went out and bought one even though the PS3 was out. I wouldn't have done it myself if I were Sony but I can see why it was done. |
Paperboy Posts: 23 Joined: 5 Oct 2007 | I know, but I think its the fact sony changed their minds so quickly about it and the way they suddenly said it wasnt important anymore, one of the european employees even went as far as saying that noone will want to play the old games anymore once they experience how good games are on the PS3... Hasnt stopped me playing Disgaea, Kingdom Hearts, God of War and many other games... Plus, quite a few people dont have that much space. I myself had to pack up my PS2 because of the lack of space in my room, means I cant have my 360, PS2 AND PS3 set up, so I pretty much have to play PS2 games on my PS3 now. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 7 Joined: 29 Feb 2008 |
Yes, Ken Kutaragi's claims were just stupid. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2768 Joined: 18 Sep 2007     | I love how some people get so wedded to their consoles that they insist that you, too, give the ol' girl a screw. -- Steve |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2240 Joined: 12 Oct 2007 |
That is true I have a slim ps2 so I can squeeze it in but I can see how it might be more difficult depending on your room configuration. |
Paperboy Posts: 20 Joined: 13 Feb 2008 | Shadow Skill, you're coming off very fanboy to me. Every claim that someone makes, while you do take the effort of making a response, you always seem to say something along the lines of, "Well, it's not important," or, "Well, that's just your opinion," When what you're spitting out is, mostly, an opinion. Also, don't you find it interesting that developers are still producing games for the PS2? Why wouldn't they upgrade to the PS3, since it's the end all? |
Anonymous Source Posts: 2 Joined: 29 Feb 2008 | any 360 owner that bought the hd-dvd drive(sold sep) and a stack of hd-dvd's is probably now even more pissed(or jealous)at any ps3 owner. though i'm still amazed that microsoft can produce such fervent fan boys. you'd think people would want to jump off the sinking ship.. not on it. |
Anonymous Source  Posts: 7 Joined: 27 Feb 2008  |
Hey you can likely get great deals on HD DVD's coming up here, soon, if not already. They'll be pretty cheap before you know it, so if you already have an HD DVD player (or drive, which is also getting dirt cheap), it might not be a bad idea to grab a few of your favorite movies. It'll probably be a while before those get turned into Blu Ray's, so I think it's not a bad idea to take advantage of looting the ship while it's going down. But I digress, it's entirely off topic, I was just saying that it didn't have to do with 360 fanboys drooling over HD DVD. M'soft will probably make a blu-ray attachment, and it'll probably be bought up just fine. And it'll also be loud as heck, and entirely unruly, but whatever. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 532 Joined: 22 Jan 2008 | Poor design, thermal over-loading, inefficient use of available resources - I mean, Cell is intensely powerful a CPU platform and the quality that should be capable of far exceeds what the X360 and even most (all?) high-end PCs are capable of (yes, that hurts to say, given I'm a PC gamer) and yet the games just don't measure up. Of course, there's also Sony's history of poor service and increasingly downward spiral into John-Romero-ism. That's automatically a mark against whatever they release to the market. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2240 Joined: 12 Oct 2007 |
Why wouldn't it make sense if people are still buying the hardware and the software, and Sony would like to use the Playstation 2 to compete in the Wii's market since they can actually price the Playstation 2 competitively with the Wii. Why don't you go actually read the thread, in fact don't just read it go ahead and try tto comprehend it. We have people claming that the 360 lineup is so much better than the Playstation 3's, (An opinion.) claming that the exsclusives available are "average" an opinion. Then we have the complaints that the machine is too expensive even though it is actually in line with conventional PC's with simillar capabilities. Much of this thread is based on opinions about a system so it would stand to reason that much of what is stated is indeed an opinion. The backwards compatibility issue overall really is not as important as people make it out to be since under no circumstances are you prevented from purchasing the older and presumeably cheaper model that those games were actually supposed to run on in the first place. It does not even make sense to go buy a PS3 if you wanted to play mostly playstation 2 games since buying a playstation 2 would be far cheaper, and better suited to playing those games. The same is true for the Xbox 360. I never really cared that the backwards compatibility was not 100% for Xbox 1 games, the only games for it that I wanted to play I either already had on the PS2, could get on the PC, or happened to work with the 360. I knew from previous experience with the PS1 to PS2 transition that I would pretty much stop playing those games once I found something I wanted on the new console. I never hear anyone praise the PS3 for playstation one backwards compatibility on all models, (PS1 games are pure software emulation.) the reason is that the PS2 library has essentially superceeded the Playstation 1 library of games. The same thing has already happened with the 360. Is it a great feature to have? You bet your ass it is, but from where I am standing I would much rather be playing Xbox 360 or PS3, or Wii games on my respective console. I don't feel the sudden urge to throw away my "old" console just because a new one comes out, just like I do not feel the need to throw out and rebuy all of my old DVD's in Blu-ray just because Blu-ray has emerged as the standard to be for physical media. I think all the moaning about the issue just shows that people have been made to feel that they must throw away the "old" thing in order to make room for the new thing when in fact there is room for both to exist. I remember listening to a podcast (It may have been the 1up show.) where a guy actually suggested that Sony should just up and discontinue the Playstation 2 in order to force people to upgrade to the PS3. I remember thinking "WTF, why cancel it when people are clearly still buying it which means that they still want PS 2's?" I remember the days when consoles where not backwards compatible at all, so maybe that colours my perception of the whole issue who knows. It also does not help that the 80gb PS3 (Which is being prepped for MGS4 bundles along with dual shock 3.) is backwards compatible through software. It's my own hope that Sony finds a way to handle the whole thing through software. After a few minutes of searching I found this site selling a 60gb PS3:http://www.gadget-area.com/product_info.php/products_id/1016 It's funny the insane prices I have seen for 80gb Ps3's on the internet, some people are real assholes. |
Paperboy Posts: 20 Joined: 13 Feb 2008 |
I spent a good half hour plus last night reading all the posts, so excuse me if I take some slight offense to this assumption.
To which you spit back about your system and its games, saying that the 360's exclusives are "average." An opinion.
Ah, but you can do a shitload more on a PC (plus have a larger library of games) than you can on the PS3. The time it would take to type in a post as long as you did on a PS3 would be at least double what it is on a computer. It kinda runs into the same problem that the Wii does with online browsing, the internet wasn't exactly designed for it.
Backwards compatibility is actually cheaper when it's used how most people use it; To play games that were offered in the past that one never picked up. Last gen, I never got an Xbox, so I couldn't enjoy any of the games that came out on it. With a 360 in my possession, I can now enjoy such games as Conker, Halo, or Fable. Plus, you get all the games of the current gen to enjoy.
Great for you. I'd still play many of the Xbox or GC games I missed, or have played, over and over, because I enjoy that. Beating the game once doesn't mean I stop playing, hell no. That's a stupid thing to do, or the game was too shallow to fully enjoy.
... You're talking about gen 1 to gen 3 in this case. The Xbox to 360 is 2 to 3 (well, technically 1-2, but now I'm nitpicking). The games on the past system, that one would want to play, were still within the same realm of development and quality. IE, they're still worth going out and buying.
Oh, your making the argument against people who toss their consoles the second a new one comes out. I've been reading this whole thing as you bitching about BC because the people should buy the console the game was made for, and that people who support BC are cheap for not purchasing the old console.
Poor comparison choice, as the whole DVD/Blu-ray battle has barely started yet, while the console "wars" have been going on for at least a year.
That tends to be what developers, of any sort of product, do. You don't see 60's cars still being produced, despite the fact that the cars were still selling when they were discontinued. Video tape players are slowly vanishing as people moving to the new DVD systems. The original Transformer toys aren't sold any more, in place of the new series (whatever they're up to now). Need I continue?
It's how I made some quick cash last year, worked out nicely for me. |
Muckraker Posts: 297 Joined: 31 Oct 2006   | i think ppl don't realize that technology takes time to mature. every new tech started out rough. at this point, it is too early to assess the PS3. but judging from Sony's dedication to technology, i think it'll do just fine. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2240 Joined: 12 Oct 2007 | Of course 1960's cars are not still produced now but do you think 1960's model cars were not still being produced by the 70's I would imagine that some companies still made two or three year old models into that period. There is precedent for this sort of thing in the console world. As far as the wider computer tech world penetration an take ten years maybe more. DVD rentals for example only overtook VHS rentals in 2003. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 61 Joined: 10 Mar 2008     | Why do i hate it? I'll admit it. I'm a serf. i can't afford one... |
Muckraker Posts: 272 Joined: 6 Mar 2008   | OK...I figured everyone said everything needed to be said but I'll just come on and do this anyway. 1) price |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1615 Joined: 16 Jan 2008    | I don't hate the PS3. Good luck to it. What annoys me are the people who go "Hey, hey, look! Look! PS3! Cell! It's so good! Better than 360! Better games! Better graphics! Aiiiiee I'm going to wet myself with excitement! Wait, what? You think the 360 has a better system, current graphics are better and as are the games?! Opinion!! You can't back that up at all can you?! I thought not! Aha, now you are undone, fiend! Lo, the PS3 has triumphed, let us spend a minute in pra- what do you want? No, I proved you wrong. Go away. No, not listening!! Lalalala!" |
Copy Clerk Posts: 75 Joined: 7 Mar 2008 | I like the PS3, and would like to get the console at one point, but spending the money on one hasn't been a requirement yet. There's one thing I have seen that's been a problem with the PS3... and that's the PS2. Surprising, but when you think about it, the PS2 has probably hurt the PS3 more than anything else. Think about it, games are still come out for that system, a system still selling... one with games still coming out for it, viable games. I keep thinking I'm done with the PS2 and can move on, but then something else comes out. Now Persona 3 FES is coming out mid April, and I have to get ANOTHER game for an 8 year old console. Fact is, Sony literally shot themselves in the ass by making a console that dominated so much. People are so happy and so used to the PS2 at this point that Sony will have to pull people away kicking and screaming to the PS3 to make them move on. Sometime this year I have a feeling there will be a transition, and the developers who spent many wonderful years developing on the PS2 will start shoveling content on the PS3. I don't think Sony lacks developers to make games... I just think that a good portion of them are still clinging to a console they know intimately at this point. Now that Sony's sweetened the deal a bit, you might see a jump in game releases soon for the PS3. Let's not also forget that the PS3 isn't even a year and a half old yet... all things considered, it's still doing well. |
Paperboy  Posts: 34 Joined: 29 Dec 2007 | To be honest, I am a bit of a PS3 "fanboy". I mean, why wouldnt I be? I paid £250 for the fucking thing, of course im going to favour it. However before I decided to get it, I came frightningly close to getting a 360; wow I would have regreted that. What made me decide to pay a little extra for the PS3 is that its so much more than a gaming console. I mean, a Blu-ray player with a hard drive that lets you store and play Divx files, music, pictures and also has an internet browser. That ALONE is worth buying the machine for, the fact that it plays games is an added bonus. I can also rest safe in the knowledge that whilst using my console its not going to nuke itself and need to go back to Microsoft for 5 weeks. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2174 Joined: 14 Nov 2007    |
You've inadvertenly showed the PS3's flaws there. Right now, it's selling on the back of Blu-Ray's dominance over HD-DVD. Everyone's buying it to watch Transformers in all its shiny glory. The gaming aspect of it, which is supposed to be its main feature, has been relegated to the sidelines. It's a games console, that shouldn't be happening. I can't help but think that Sony are either being very crafty or very lazy (or both). |
Paperboy Posts: 34 Joined: 29 Dec 2007 |
What I mean is that I'm not the sort of person who buys a new game every week, gaming doesnt have that much of an influance on my life. Infact, I bought the console in November and only have 4 games for it, 2 of which im yet to finish. So for me, spending that kind of money on a games console alone would be a waste. Thats not to say I dont use my PS3, I get the majority of use out of it by watching things on it. As for relegating the gaming aspect of it, I dont belive that is so either. 2008 is going to be a good year for the PS3 games wise. |
Paperboy  Posts: 24 Joined: 10 Dec 2007 | Have I thrown in my two cents yet? Eh. I'm what you'd call a part time gamer. My gaming purchases are infrequent, as I have to get the cash myself. But despite that, when I get a game I often play it for 4-8 hour stretches at a time. As such, I want games that have quality, replayability and multiplayer if at all possible. Finding myself in the possession of not much cash and a low income job in addition to heavy studies, I opted for the cheapest choise this generation, namely the Wii. Since I got it, I got Metroid Prime 3, which I enjoied immensily but hevent finished yet, Super Mario Galaxy, which I have yet to complete 100% and also got quite a kick out of. I bought and finished Super Paper Mario, which wasn't perfect, but it was fun while I was playing it. Ad I'll be getting Brawl if it ever actually comes out here in Australia. In addition, I've bought the original Paper Mario, Super Mario Brotehrs 3 and Kirby's Adventure through the VC. What's the point of this wall of Wii praise, you ask? Well, let's say that I have the cash to buy a PS3. What games would I get? Final Fantasy 13? No thanks. While I play RPG's, I like them either with a heavy serving of humour or with a slice of strategy thrown in, and even then, they rarely hold my attention for more than a month. What about Metal Gear Soild 4? I never played any of the original MGS games, and I like to have all the back story and previous happenings in a game series in the back of my mind before I play it. Thus, I have Paper Mario on VC and a copy of Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door on my shelf. So I'd have to go track down the rest of the MGS series as well, which I am told is no easy feat, and even then, I'm not much of a fan of stealth games. Sneaking around the Temple of the Ocean King in Phantom Hourglass frayed my nerves to nothing. So how would I fare jumping from the shadows and breaking someone's neck in full view of his fellows, before diving away to leave them all astonished? Not well, I'd bet. So the two big draw cards of the PS3 are not for me. But that's not so bad for the console, right? I mean, I'm one gamer. Well, think about it. The PS2 sold like liquid sex. MGS3 also sold really well. But the ratio of Game to Console was fairly low. I was of the understanding that it was a 'Cult' game, made popular through sheer weight of the console selling so well. So if we take the same rather low ratio of game to console sales, and apply it to the PS3's considerbly lower number of consoles sold when compared to the PS2, we're left with a cult game again. But then again, I could be wrong, I'm just hypothising. But I digress. While I was able to name half a dosen games that I have played or would want to play on the Wii, I'm having trouble nameing one that I would like to play for PS3. Motorstorm? No thanks, racing game's arn't generally my cup of tea. In the interests of fairness, I will add that I do like Mario Kart, but not because it is a Nintendo game. I like the fact that it does not take it's self seriously. Anyway, moving on. Resistance? I'm not a real FPS kind of person. Am I hard to please? Maybe. But it's my money, I'm going to spend it on what I like best. And I hardly think I'm the only person having these kind of issues with the PS3. And if I were a FPS kind of person, the 360 is a much more logical choice, red rings of death notwithstanding. The PS3 just doen't have a broad appeal, or even a specific appeal. It's not even marketed as a Gaming system, persay. Yes, there' is much debate about Blu Ray Vs. HDDVD and how it has won, but I won't go into that. If I want a Blu Ray player, and that's assuming I have the TV and sound to match, which I don't, I'd buy a Blu Ray player. If I wanted a media center, I'd by a better PC. Same goes with surfing the internet. No, when I buy a game console, I want to play games. What about the company? They have a lot of brand loyality. Well, it's true, a lot of people bought PS2's. But Sony, as is elaborated elsewhere in this topic, has collectively shrugged off their customers with outragiously stupid or arrogant statements. Couple that with the numerous problems, the cut down hardware, the complete and utter lack of any interest in the welfare of the Europeain region at all, and you can start to see why the PS3 isn't having the greatest time of it. And so ends my wall of text. |
BANNED  Posts: 317 Joined: 30 Jan 2008  |
Give that man a 'new Also, i would add that this has degenerated into a full on shit-fling, albeit slightly more genteel and a little more messy. since when did we start hating a console for things like broken promises or bigger muscles, or the titles remember the old days, gentleman and ladies, when you were wide-eyed, bushy tailed and all that mattered was that, with this controller in you hands, you were god, if only for a little while... idealistic? perhaps, i like to think of myself as an optimist, others think of me as a dick, your call i guess. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 221 Joined: 5 Mar 2008  | i own all 3 of the major consoles, and the best atm has to be the 360 due to the large catlogue of games, however by mid 2008 my xbox will be on the backburner and the ps3 brought back out due to the juicy releases. The Wii on the otherhand yes i like but not as much as the other 2. Reasons people hate it are. Some people who can't afford a ps3 will automatically deem it crap. Not to mention how much sonys bosses, are so full of themselves. However people should look at a product before they slag it off, if you havent played or experienced a PS3 then personally what is your justification for your reasoning as the end of the day? If you do own one, why the hell did you buy one in the first place, send it back if its that bad,., |
Beat Writer Posts: 221 Joined: 5 Mar 2008 | i own all 3 of the major consoles, and the best atm has to be the 360 due to the large catlogue of games, however by mid 2008 my xbox will be on the backburner and the ps3 brought back out due to the juicy releases. The Wii on the otherhand yes i like but not as much as the other 2. Reasons people hate it are. Some people who can't afford a ps3 will automatically deem it crap. Not to mention how much sonys bosses, are so full of themselves. However people should look at a product before they slag it off, if you havent played or experienced a PS3 then personally what is your justification for your reasoning as the end of the day? If you do own one, why the hell did you buy one in the first place, send it back if its that bad,., |
Copy Clerk Posts: 79 Joined: 25 Feb 2008  |
Quoted For Truth. I may be pro-PS3 and may not own all the other next-gen systems, but I still firmly stand by this post. I have a strong vendetta against really, REALLY dumb, paranoid, overreactive fanboys of any system: PS3, 360, Wii, you name it. I find PS3 fanboys to be WAY too easily offended by any negative remark on the system, 360 fanboys WAY too biased against this system in particular, and Wii fanboys just REALLY dumb and think every non-Nintendo console is crap compared to their "godly" systems. That being said, 2008 does look like a good year for PS3 to finally shine, if the haters weren't so blinded with hatred that anything that sounds remotely pro-PS3 is like a scam to them. |
Muckraker  Posts: 243 Joined: 22 Jan 2008 | *Puts on PC gamer shades* As, I, a great ubergamer of the high format, am entirely unbiased, I think I can end this argument with a simple statement. Dreamcast>j00 |
Copy Clerk Posts: 79 Joined: 25 Feb 2008 |
If you're joking, you're not funny. |
Muckraker Posts: 243 Joined: 22 Jan 2008 |
That, my friend, is subjective. Edit: Also, "blinded by hatred". Do calm down. These are games consoles, not the sodding holocaust. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2174 Joined: 14 Nov 2007 |
Quoted for truthness |
Copy Clerk Posts: 79 Joined: 25 Feb 2008 |
I'm quite aware of that. Why else would I look down on such screwed up fanboys for caring too much for a piece of plastic with metal parts inside? And you're right, it is kind of lighthearted, but I still didn't really laugh that much. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2174 Joined: 14 Nov 2007 |
And yet you get offended when Mr Wednesday makes a simple (and very true) joke? |
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well i've never looked in stores but it didn't come up on amazon.com for ps3
so is this basically what i think it is, i at first explain why the ps3 sucks balls in a logical way and all the reasons sony has given me to beleive they hate me and my family. and you say nothing, but at the first sign of me marking out for the system and talking games and opinion things, you've got alot to say don't you, i've also noticed that while you don't like my arguments very much you havn't said much about what makes the ps3 any better than the 360. so fuck this, i'll deal with you when you decide to actually refute something i've said thats refutable, like sony being big cock gobling ass fairies.