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Paperboy Posts: 29 Joined: 4 Mar 2008     | |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 484 Joined: 5 Feb 2008     | This post read's horribly. And sounds more or less like someone spoiling for an internet fight. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1477 Joined: 6 Feb 2008   | I like fallout. Im looking forward to fallout3...though youll have to forgive me if Im not waiting with baited breath. action Points in an FPS is one thing im hesitant about. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2168 Joined: 14 Nov 2007     |
Damn straight. Who needs warthogs and assault rifles in Halo when you've got the Chief, eh? |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1099 Joined: 24 Feb 2008    |
I have to agree with you. |
Muckraker Posts: 323 Joined: 24 Nov 2007     | Bethesda harps about 'freedom' in their games, but compared to Fallout, they offer a pitiful amount of it. You basically choose which generic dungeon to do next, and when you want to do each of the many linear quests they put in the game. You also have to do things in a certain order, and behave in a certain way towards certain people, which is very unlike Fallout. That's the main thing that worries me. That, and the fact that Bethesda's RPGs have atrocious dialogue, whereas even Fallout Tactics had fairly good dialogue, and Fallout and Fallout 2 has superb dialogue. |
Paperboy Posts: 29 Joined: 4 Mar 2008 |
Okay thats a valid point. I still hold that they couldn't do worse than interplay at the end but yeah I hope bethesda have hired some top quality writers. p.s. Yeah I know my writings pretty bad but I won't get better unless A. I practice and B. I'm told where I'm going wrong so if anybody spots any glaring mistakes send me a mssege about it please and I'll try and take it onboard. |
BANNED  Posts: 67 Joined: 6 Mar 2008     | This looks like you typed with your elbows. I just want to see it for all the crazy engines they put into it. (Realistic vehicle deformation, weapon decay, FIRE!!!) |
Paperboy  Posts: 30 Joined: 5 Mar 2008  | Gormless I'm the first to say I don't catch all of my writing errors, and I'm sure there are more than a few in my posts. However, I make a serious effort to edit my writing in hope of not looking like a complete idiot. However, I don't prescribe typing shortcuts, lack of capitalization, and missing punctuation in contractions. Doing those things make it harder to take your contributions and opinions seriously. This site prides itself on a higher intellectual level not found on many other forums dedicated to gaming. This is done by improved writing it presents. Please, take a look at your post clean it up some and make this site better place for everyone. We're not all professional writers here (I know I'm not), but we can strive to be. This post was trying to give constructive criticism to help you out. I tried to do this as painlessly as possible to keep others blasting you for it later. |
On the Record  Posts: 5674 Joined: 2 Dec 2007    | Fallout is like... an apple. Bethesda is like... a banana factory. Oblivion, morrowind, etc, were all very good banana's. Bethesda saw that all the kids like eating apples too and decided, "Hey, I recon we could make some pretty tasty apples." All the kids watch in horror as Banana flavoured apples are made. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2663 Joined: 4 Nov 2007   |
This is pretty much it. I haven't played much of the Fallouts but it's easy to understand that hardcore fans got hooked on a turn-based RPG. When an entirely different company says "we're going to make Fallout 3 an FPSRPG but it'll stay totally true to Fallout"...hmmmm. That's a bit like telling Halo fans that Halo 4 (I jest, you can all start breathing again) will be like Deus Ex. The fans didn't sign up for that kettle of fish. |
Muckraker Posts: 323 Joined: 24 Nov 2007 |
That's not even the problem for me. I don't give two shits if it's not turn-based. What I fear are the things I mentioned. Linearity wrapped up in the illusion of freedom, bad dialogue... the things I despise about Oblivion. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 429 Joined: 4 Jan 2008  | I will say that my reservations about Fallout 3 stem from nothing more than personal taste. I am a big fan of the Fallout games, but just can't find myself able to really get into a first-person RPG. I've tried Vampire: The Masquerade, I've tried Morrowind, Ultima Underwold, World of Xeen, and none of them really captured me beyond the first day of playing. I could write an essay on each of those games for their applaudable merits and why I respect games like those, but I personally can't derive as much enjoyment from first-person RPGs as I can with a good ol' point-and-click. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2663 Joined: 4 Nov 2007 |
Ah yes, good points. Thpse things are part of the essence of Fallout. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 60 Joined: 20 Jun 2007   | A good Fallout successor is like a unicorn, beautiful and mythical. Bethesda is like Mary. A lot of people say Mary won't get a unicorn because they doubt she has the goods, but in all reality, a good Fallout successor is just as miraculous as virgin birth. This "illusion of freedom" strikes me as a strange argument. Sure, Oblivion has a point A and a point B, but doesn't Fallout? |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 366 Joined: 3 Oct 2007  | Morrowind had its faults, lord knows, but I still loved it because of its story and its atmosphere, it felt magical. Oblivion, on the other hand, felt simply bland, I was taken from "strange place with lots of little corners to explore" to "generic fantasy land, complete with big white tower." So long as they manage to keep the *feel* of Fallout, it will probably work well, but Bethesada has proven adept at putting out games that are on some shallow level technically impressive, but nonetheless unsatisfying, and on further consideration, shallow. And alot of my own person misgivings about FO3 have to do with that. |
Muckraker  Posts: 308 Joined: 15 May 2007  | Personally, I am keeping an open mind about the whole deal. I love Bethesda's games. I love Fallout. Yeah, I'll be pretty miffed if they screw it up but at least someone grabbed up the Fallout torch and ran with it. From all I have read, they are trying to keep the original games and their fans in mind when making it. |
Muckraker  Posts: 249 Joined: 28 Oct 2007 | It basically boils down to: Bethesda have never made a game that i have liked because they make games i actively DISLIKE. There is no reason for this to be different. I love Fallout. Next discussion. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 98 Joined: 23 Jan 2008  | I love fallout but I'm not a huge fps fan but still going to play it. I'm happy it is a FPS as I can get my friends into the series since they're mainly fps players. Trying to get them to play any of the original fall out was as pointless as trying to strange yourself with a wireless controller. So if they like this one they might play the others. I'm happy to give Bethesda a change, okay I only like 3 of their games (well 2 and a explanation) but from that I've seen it goes look good, just hope it IS good |
Anonymous Source Posts: 3 Joined: 12 Mar 2008 |
I totally agree with you. I went on NMA yesterday and most of the criticism I read was basically "but we loved the old one, why do you change it?" which sounds like some teenagers' whining and nothing else. My answer to that is: keep playing the old ones then. I'm a huge Fallout fan, got the 2 games on my computers at home AND at work, and I can easily see how changing some aspects of the game will improve it and refresh the whole experience, simply because I'm open to changes. The point is, you don't take a venerable franchise like Fallout just to do the same old thing again, the modders are there for that, you take it, keep what you want and put your own flavor in it, as Bethesda is entitled to since they OWN the IP. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2486 Joined: 29 Nov 2007  |
Cuz in order to enjoy to really role play in a game it helps if you're looking at your character like a puppet rather than "playing" the character from a first person perspective? Just guessing. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 92 Joined: 7 Dec 2007 | I've never played the originals, but from everything I've heard, I'd like to give them a shot before fallout 3 comes out (which i'm planning on getting). Are they available anywhere for download? |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 526 Joined: 21 Jan 2008 | *Disclaimer* The real problem here is that the people who played fallout and like it well enough to care about having a sequel after 10 years are not the sort to like elder scrolls games simply because their gameplay is so different. Its simply the variety of experience, the freedom of being able to approach problems however you see fit that makes fallout special. Most of the quests in fallout can be solved solely by talking, including all portions of the main quests. Think about this for a moment: you can save the world (or at least your little chunk of it) as a PACIFIST. There are so many more ways you can deal with your problems in fallout it's just crazy. Contrast this with ES games: the vast majority of quests are only resolvable by combat, particularly the main questline, and NPC dialog like an MMO. I've heard Bethesda games described as MMOs without all the stupid people and think it's spot-on accurate. If you like leet lewt and skillgrinding by all means enjoy them. But don't touch my fallout. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2236 Joined: 12 Oct 2007   | I am of the opinion that no one should think that Bethesda will be able to make a good Fallout game because the last two Elder Scrolls games were not good. I was so sad when I heard who would be responsible for Fallout 3, I will be surprised if Bethesda manages to make a Fallout game that I enjoy given their track record with their last two games. |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 526 Joined: 21 Jan 2008 |
I don't think they are available for sale anymore, either physically or digitally. A torrent is acceptable in this case. If you find them, be aware that high cpu speeds screw up portions of the game so its best to use an old computer if you have one (P2/P3/early P4 should be fine). |
Muckraker Posts: 323 Joined: 24 Nov 2007 |
Yes, but Fallout has many different ways you can get to point B. It basically has point A2, A3, A4, A2 version 2, A4 version 2, A2 version 3, blah blah blah... you can go anywhere at any time, kill anyone you want (well... not quite... don't even try to kill the Overseer), steal anything you want, sell anything you want... dialogue is deep and complex... enter dialogue with an NPC and you will hear things no other NPC will say. You can get very different results from different dialogue options. Oh, and you can often side with unambiguously evil people for fun and profit, something that does not happen in Elder Scrolls games, except with the predictably anemic Dark Brotherhood questline in Oblivion. Oblivion? Go here, kill this, come back for your reward. Take it or leave it. Oh, and you have to do things in a specific order. When it's all done, you get the same ending no matter how you did things. Also, you're the good guy. No, you can't actually side with the Mythic Dawn, sorry. Only the aforementioned Dark Brotherhood questline lets you take the side of villains. So with Oblivion, you appear to have a lot of freedom, but in reality, once you go down a certain path, you have to do things in a particular way and in a particular order. On occasion, you may get two choices, but they are seldom very meaningful, and never change anything very much.
They recently admitted it's 'Oblivion with guns'. They used those words. All that stuff about keeping the fans in mind was bullshit, something they have become very skilled at and used very frequently. Todd Howard is the new Peter Molyneaux, I say. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1180 Joined: 25 Jan 2008 |
Not true. You can pick up the Fallout collection for about a fiver (something I decided to do recently) here - Personally, I think that the only playable one now is Tactics. Fallout 1&2 are fugly games now, and I think they're far too dated now. Which is annoying because I can usually play older games. The interface is also painful to use now. Does anyone know if theres any fan projects to improve the graphics? (Also, please don't flame me!) I'm really looking forward to Fallout 3 though. It's taking everything I liked about the first two games (the setting mainly) and updating it so that I can actually enjoy it. |
Muckraker Posts: 323 Joined: 24 Nov 2007 |
Fallout might work in Windows 95 compatibility mode, but I'm not sure, you may need some kind of emulation. Fallout 2 should work fine in XP, but I don't know about Vista. As for graphics, the old-school feel of Fallout is a good thing in my book. I love it. The games already felt a bit dated when they were released... that was deliberate. Also... oh, you said no flaming... uh... yeah, it's a turn-based, isometric RPG. Graphics shouldn't matter all that much for a game like that. If you're REALLY that much of a sucker for graphics, you might ask the folks on NMA, if you can stomach them. RPGcodex might know, too, but they may be even worse (except that they have a better sense of humor). EDIT: Be sure to patch Fallout 2, it's got bigger bugs than the Amazon rainforest. |
News Room Contributor  Posts: 152 Joined: 22 Aug 2007  | The Fallout 3 hatred seems to be entirely based on the fact that many RPG elements are being taken out of the game, with action elements added. People fear this because they hated Fallout: Tactics and Brotherhood of Steel, Fallout-esque games that were primarily action-oriented. These old school fans are terrified of someone making a change to a game they enjoyed in two long iterations, and now because the game has been reborn, albeit from a different team, they'd like the world to know that they are real Fallout fans, who like the real game, back when it was good, etc. etc. Really, they're just showing off. Instead of anticipating and wondering how the game will be from a positive outlook, an anything is possible outlook, they want to feel special so they decry its existence as sacrilegous and curse Bethesda's name. They "know" it will be bad, because they know Fallout, they played that game and they loved it. No one could ever make it any different and have it turn out well. I know how they feel. I tried to be excited for Terminator 3, and then it murdered my soul and I've spent the last few years trying to reclaim it. Fallout fans have already had their souls marred twice by those two cheap knock-offs, and now they must endure an actual sequel, under seemingly dubious circumstances. So they flame and they flame and they assume the worst. Nonetheless, for all their shittalking, I guarantee they'll have a copy of it on Day One, just like my butt was in the seat at 11:30 am for T3. |
Paperboy Posts: 15 Joined: 12 Sep 2007 |
also here http://www.gogamer.com/Fallout-Collection-PC-Games_stcVVproductId6367061VVcatId444758VVviewprod.htm and here http://www.gogamer.com/Fallout-Collection-PC-Games_stcVVproductId6367061VVcatId444758VVviewprod.htm best do some research before suggesting an illegal torrent of a game |
Muckraker Posts: 323 Joined: 24 Nov 2007 |
No, I am a huge Fallout fan, but I will wait for piracy to allow me a free copy (something I do not condone under most circumstances), because Bethesda deserves my contempt for what they are doing, not my money. I may play if before then, if my brother gets a copy, but I will never buy a new copy. |
Paperboy Posts: 15 Joined: 12 Sep 2007 | "(something I do not condone under most circumstances)" Meaning "Every game on my computer is pirated" |
Muckraker Posts: 323 Joined: 24 Nov 2007 |
No, only System Shock 2, which costs 2 lbs. of flesh now. Due to karma, my 4:3 monitor doesn't really work now, so I can't play it anyway (no widescreen). |
News Room Contributor Posts: 152 Joined: 22 Aug 2007 |
I have yet to understand why Bethesda deserves anyone's contempt for making a sequel to a game which otherwise would not likely have had a sequel? And just how many of your children did Bethesda cook and eat? And the fact that you'll steal it doesn't really bother me. But it also displays a lack of conviction -- if you really hate the entire idea of the game, why play it at all? |
Paperboy Posts: 15 Joined: 12 Sep 2007 | or if you have an eb games which has a 7 day return policy on games... buy it and if you really don't like the game bring it back..... also IF you did indeed like/love the game after your "Piracy" would you buy it? |
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So kicking around the interwebs for bit I've sensed a lot of aggro for the new fallout and I cant really see why. Seriosly I truly doubt that anybody can give me a rational argument against it that isn't based on eltism (god I hate eltism yes ive played the fallouts when when they first came out I even took a swipe at wastland about a decade ago after playing fallout but do I want a sodding medal for it?) ,fear (like bethesda could do any worse than interplay towards the end, did any one else play that godawful console game?) or nostalgia (poeple things have to move with the times. Have you played fallout 1 recently its still an amazing game but it is dated).
As far as I've seen bethesda seem to be getting the setting and feeling of the fallout games and that to me IS fallout. Not the combat. Not the veiwpiont. So to finish I personaly will remain optimistic about bethesda's fallout unless truly compelling evedence is produced.