BANNED Posts: 12958 Joined: 30 Jan 2008 | This is purely hypothetical theory here.
This is in no way backed up by any study that I have seen. Even so, the people who I have told it too think it sounds like a plausible concept.
As we all know, all ruling forms are flawed. There, I said it. The way I see it, the only truly logical system of government is one in which all citizens take part in full time. But this has numerous flaws, such as lack of efficiency, lack of any sort of production or work, and people being douchebags.
My system calls for a digital copy of every human mind to be made (at the time of building, and when the mind has matured to a competent and mature level), and these copies loaded into a supercomputer. This single entity then makes all human decisions for us.
I know what you are thinking - robot uprising. But think about it - its not a robot, its us - all of us. Every single human being has a direct and equal say in global politics. Because they are in digital format, decisions can be made next to instantly. And since the humans are still alive, and not affected in any way (its just a copy uploaded, the original shouldn't be harmed), we can continue to work and produce.
Now, there are a number of problems that I have seen with this method
1. Deletion of copies in the event of the originals death.
On the one hand, this should be straight foward - I mean, we can't have a mind in politics without a physical manifestation to represent and argue for, it would turn inhuman. On the other, the sort of morality that would enter into ending a human consciouness is murky to say the least.
2. Minds spinning out of co-ordination with their bodies.
Imagine you upload your mind at 18. You're young and carefree, because now you have your say in the matters of the world. Great. But if we advance, say 15 years, that 18 year old may be an entirely new person, with a new set of values, ideals and understandings. Thing is, their representative is still 18, and voting for the 18 year old version of itself.
Anyone have any comments or ideas? |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3447 Joined: 8 May 2008 | Why is this in gaming discussion? |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1707 Joined: 2 Jan 2008 | No name calling please.
- mod
I'd be worried about people finding a way to somehow breech the supercomputer and have ultimate control over all the world's government/economy.
Hmm, could we call this supercomputer system The Patriots?
Also, you're an idiot.
Also, cocks. User was suspended for this post. |
King of the Yetis Posts: 2539 Joined: 15 Jul 2008 | Indigo_Dingo:
I know what you are thinking - robot uprising. But think about it - its not a robot, its us - all of us. Every single human being has a direct and equal say in global politics. Because they are in digital format, decisions can be made next to instantly. And since the humans are still alive, and not affected in any way (its just a copy uploaded, the original shouldn't be harmed), we can continue to work and produce.
Yeah because we're awesome |
On the Record Posts: 6390 Joined: 24 Apr 2008 | HSIAMetalKing:
I'd be worried about people finding a way to somehow breech the supercomputer and have ultimate control over all the world's government/economy.
Hmm, could we call this supercomputer system The Patriots?
Also, you're an idiot.
Also, cocks.
I think my political opponents just dropped by a count of 1
ONTOPIC: Hmmm... i dont think we need it, why not just have everyone have their say manually, solves all problems, people die and their say ends... and their opinions can change with them day to day. |
Beat Writer Posts: 146 Joined: 24 Jun 2008 | Indigo_Dingo:
2. Minds spinning out of co-ordination with their bodies.
Imagine you upload your mind at 18. You're young and carefree, because now you have your say in the matters of the world. Great. But if we advance, say 15 years, that 18 year old may be an entirely new person, with a new set of values, ideals and understandings. Thing is, their representative is still 18, and voting for the 18 year old version of itself.
Anyone have any comments or ideas?
Just re-upload the mind every 10 years. Problem solved. |
Time Lord Posts: 9760 Joined: 13 Feb 2008 | Read "I Have No Mouth But I Must Scream"
PDF linky |
King of the Yetis Posts: 2539 Joined: 15 Jul 2008 | The_root_of_all_evil:
Read "I Have No Mouth But I Must Scream"
PDF linky
Or better yet. Play the impossibly hard game version. |
BANNED Posts: 12958 Joined: 30 Jan 2008 | Carp, I accidentally put this in the wrong section. Please Lock. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3664 Joined: 21 Jan 2008 | They're not 3 Laws safe, and thus assured to rise up and destroy their meatbag overlord, who are inferior to their hive mind and near-limitless intelligence.
No, but seriously, I don't see how this could work. Someone could hack the system, the system might crack, or the system might go loco... the plan's too risky to be of any use. |
Muckraker Posts: 260 Joined: 4 Jul 2008 | Indigo_Dingo:
Carp, I accidentally put this in the wrong section. Please Lock.
Why lock, when moving is equally easy?
Also, sorry to be a pedant (and possibly even worse: an incorrect pedant) but that is a model, not a theory. Also what do you mean by "truly logical"? |
Time Lord Posts: 9760 Joined: 13 Feb 2008 | Decoy Doctorpus:
The_root_of_all_evil:
Read "I Have No Mouth But I Must Scream"
PDF linky
Or better yet. Play the impossibly hard game version.
Not too difficult, just have to get the right order and keep Nimdok alive. |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 511 Joined: 21 Jan 2008 | Once the 'copy' is made it is no longer you. It becomes it's own entity with it's own experiences and desires and no more or less inherent worth. It becomes another person.
This is a system where the Governed have no say at all, and the Governors are destined to be murdered. What you have described is an dystopian abomination. |
Beat Writer Posts: 161 Joined: 27 Feb 2008 | even if you can avoid the previously mentioned uprising, it still sounds like an optimized Ochlocracy (see mob-rule: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mob_rule )
and as any reasonable person knows...the mob is stupid |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 4291 Joined: 20 Dec 2007 | Indigo_Ding you are an idi-La-li-lu-le-lo....you are an idi-La-Li-lu-Le-Lo.
Damnit why can't I say "idi-la-li-lu-le-lo"?!?! |
This is purely hypothetical theory here.
This is in no way backed up by any study that I have seen. Even so, the people who I have told it too think it sounds like a plausible concept.
As we all know, all ruling forms are flawed. There, I said it. The way I see it, the only truly logical system of government is one in which all citizens take part in full time. But this has numerous flaws, such as lack of efficiency, lack of any sort of production or work, and people being douchebags.
My system calls for a digital copy of every human mind to be made (at the time of building, and when the mind has matured to a competent and mature level), and these copies loaded into a supercomputer. This single entity then makes all human decisions for us.
I know what you are thinking - robot uprising. But think about it - its not a robot, its us - all of us. Every single human being has a direct and equal say in global politics. Because they are in digital format, decisions can be made next to instantly. And since the humans are still alive, and not affected in any way (its just a copy uploaded, the original shouldn't be harmed), we can continue to work and produce.
Now, there are a number of problems that I have seen with this method
1. Deletion of copies in the event of the originals death.
On the one hand, this should be straight foward - I mean, we can't have a mind in politics without a physical manifestation to represent and argue for, it would turn inhuman. On the other, the sort of morality that would enter into ending a human consciouness is murky to say the least.
2. Minds spinning out of co-ordination with their bodies.
Imagine you upload your mind at 18. You're young and carefree, because now you have your say in the matters of the world. Great. But if we advance, say 15 years, that 18 year old may be an entirely new person, with a new set of values, ideals and understandings. Thing is, their representative is still 18, and voting for the 18 year old version of itself.
Anyone have any comments or ideas?