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Infamous Scribbler Posts: 525 Joined: 24 Sep 2008 | It's disgusting, but it doesn't surprise me at all. You can't make a video game review site; you need to make a web site like this one that just comments on the industry. Reviews are probably better suited to print media, where long lead times prevent a lot of this sort of dirty shit. |
Press Junketeer Posts: 389 Joined: 15 Jul 2008 |
I don't trust professional reviews anymore. If I want to get a feel for a game, I go read the actual community buzz like on the forums where most of my online buddies hang, or here. |
Muckraker Posts: 245 Joined: 20 Mar 2008 | This is new?(not the link, never knew about that site, but the knowledge that professional reviews can't be trusted) I've been saying this for years, and nobody would believe me. Now with this link I hope I'm finally able to convince some people to stop quoting a "perfect" gamespot "review" as if it says something about the game. |
Press Junketeer Posts: 389 Joined: 15 Jul 2008 | This actually reminds me, I need to clean up some of my slapped together reviews from my other board and toss them in the user review forum to see what people think. I can't actually recall anyone I know using website reviews as credible sources. The most we've ever done is use it as an excuse to spam /FACEPALM all over the place. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1522 Joined: 6 Sep 2008 | Huh, maybe I should go back to reading EGm and 1up. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1177 Joined: 26 Mar 2008 | Well its likely to happen, i don't trust many sites or official *insert console* magazines. There are completely full of shit, but there are still some magazines and sites that do offer an honest opinion on these games. They are just few and far between. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2034 Joined: 16 May 2008 | I was going to ignore this. and then I saw who the article was by Shoe! Oh Shoe... *reads* |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 642 Joined: 6 Mar 2008 | It's all to do with advertising. If you look at music & movie magazines they're full of various lifestyle adverts, whereas games magazines are almost 100% dependent on games publishers for financial support. I have no idea why they got themselves into this situation but it doesn't look like they can get out of it. |
Press Junketeer Posts: 430 Joined: 22 Sep 2008 | I still trust reviews, especially opinions of specific individuals, but I tend to look at a game's general reception to figure out how good or bad it is. A lot of people like to avoid anything under the dreaded 8.0, but I find that usually games in that range tend to have tons of redeeming factors that get overlooked simply because there's a few bugs or the presentation isn't quite up to snuff. Similarly, the "best of the best" also tend to be wildly overrated due to pressures from advertisers. Anyone who doesn't realise that professional games journalism sites are just glorified advertising needs to step out of his or her bubble and just take a look at the whole Gerstmann debacle - it's incredibly telling of the nature of the industry these days, but there's plenty more cases if you look for them. Any time you see an early review, exclusive preview, etc., chances are that it's being paid for. Videogame advertisers know how their customers think, and they construct a very meticulous, cunning web by playing right into that. Meanwhile, journalists themselves, who were once idealistic gaming fans, get caught in the middle between their integrity and the pressure from their employers and advertisers. That's the reason why I decided I didn't want to be a games reviewer (along with a few others): I just didn't want to have to put my ethics on trial with every story I wrote. |
Press Junketeer Posts: 464 Joined: 24 Mar 2008 | some journalists and sites are above the board. But in general, games journalism is a farce on journalism and one of the primary reasons no one gives a crap about gaming culture. In all honesty publisher and developers are as huge a contributor to this problem as the games journalists. The Journalists fall prey to bribery and publishers tell any journalist that doesn't bend over and take it proper to fuck the hell off. What magazine you gonna buy / site you gonna visit: The one that has a full Mirror's Edge Preview with developer interviews and new screens or the one that's reviewing Mercenaries 2? |
Muckraker Posts: 313 Joined: 9 Apr 2008 | I remember when GTA4 came out and IGN was one of the first websites to have a review up. They gave it a 10/10, which they hadn't done since I think Ocarina of Time. The highly anticipated nature of the game combined with the ridiculous score made the story hit the front page of digg. So its reasonable to assume that the review was read at least 10,000 times. Think of all that ad money..... |
Anonymous Source Posts: 10 Joined: 16 Sep 2008 | The reviewers are very independent in certain places, like, for instance, popmatters.com. It's an upstart, so they don't get a lot of attention from game houses one way or another. But this sort of thing (the bias and bribery) isn't surprising at all to anyone who has been paying attention. I mean, pick up a copy of Game Informer sometime and tell me it's not absolutely paid for by the game devs and retail outlets. I'm honestly very shocked that PC Gamer is as independent as they are, it seems like they're the last bastion of sanity among the mainstream rags. Sure, they sometimes value graphics over gameplay, but who isn't a graphics whore at one time or another? Disclaimer: I am a regular contributor to popmatters, don't hurt me. |
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Here's an interesting series: Behind the Scenes: Gaming Journalism. Part 5 is here, with links to the previous parts. Some juicy bits: