Well I belive it's because Consoles are built ground up for gaming and only gaming, Whereas PCs need driver uppdates and are built for other pouroses, Your thoughts?

Virus' mostly. that and it is exponentially easier to get malicious software onto a pc

Jealousy, Your PC knows you play your 360 more then it and it wishes you would play it more.

Hardware...

Human stupidity.

Richard Groovy Pants:
Hardware...

Human stupidity.

Got it in one.

It's mainly the fact that software for consoles is written only for that piece of hardwae, whereas in pc's they have to be compatible with an infinite variety of hardware components

1. The architecture of the Windows operating system. I don't fully understand it, but my basic idea is that Windows runs at several layers of security, and that every program has access to each level. However, it's really easy for these programs to fuck each other up if they're both using a more fundamental level.
2. Multiple processes. A console is only ever running the console OS and whatever game you have in there.
3. Malware.
4. Hardware and driver diversity. When you're developing a game for a console, you have the hardware sitting right there in front of you; it will never be any different. For a PC, on the other hand, you are developing for hundreds or thousands of different unique configurations.
5. History. PC publishers used to be more likely to ship out a buggy, unfinished product because they knew they could just toss out a patch over the internet; consoles didn't have access to the internet until very recently, and therefore needed to have carefully tested, complete products. Console publishers still seem to be working pretty hard on debugging, but I would predict that they'll start regressing into old PC bug territory pretty soon.

With consoles, the games made for them are made to fit a uniformed standard of what hardware they'll be working with.

With PC, you have hundreds of thousands of hardware configurations to deal with, possible incompatibility between drivers, software, and input devices, malicious software, and people who don't know what they're doing.

With pcs users can play around with everything what makes it tick, graphics, sound, amount of recourses the game needs, and that just the game. Users can play with windows, download stupid stuff, software can conflict, and viruses and other bad stuff can clog the system. With a consle you can only do what the software allows you to do. Play game, save game, load game, download content. The chance of getting a virus on a consle.

Mine doesn't. Except my old one but that was on its last legs and the fan was broken. Would overheat if you asked it to do anything at all taxing.

Windows and the super wide range of hardware configurations that PC game makers have to take into account. That and idiots not defragging their hard drives, doing disk clean, and deleting everything in their Temp Folders every single month. Simple steps to keeping a PC running better. Other than that a messed up Registry can lead to sever problems. Registry Healer and the new Trend Micro 2008 PRO have good reg cleaners/tuners.

The reason that consoles don't get messed up is because we can't really mess with the base operating systems. Another good example is the fact that the PS3 OS is Unix/Linux based. That is pimp style!

axia777:
Windows and the super wide range of hardware configurations that PC game makers have to take into account. That and idiots not defragging their hard drives, doing disk clean, and deleting everything in their Temp Folders every single month. Simple steps to keeping a PC running better. Other than that a messed up Registry can lead to sever problems. Registry Healer and the new Trend Micro 2008 PRO have good reg cleaners/tuners.

Diskeeper <3

Defraged my terabyte hard drive under 1 hour and now it runs so smoother <3

Richard Groovy Pants:

axia777:
Windows and the super wide range of hardware configurations that PC game makers have to take into account. That and idiots not defragging their hard drives, doing disk clean, and deleting everything in their Temp Folders every single month. Simple steps to keeping a PC running better. Other than that a messed up Registry can lead to sever problems. Registry Healer and the new Trend Micro 2008 PRO have good reg cleaners/tuners.

Diskeeper <3

Defraged my terabyte hard drive under 1 hour and now it runs so smoother <3

Yes, Disk Keeper 3 is a very good solution. I forgot about that one.

The reason that PCs crashes more than consoles is... because they do far more then a console, and thus the likely hood of one "crashing" is much greater. Maintenance and first-hand knowledge can help.

Eggo:
The reason is drivers, drivers, drivers, drivers, and drivers.

Oh and sometimes malware.

But it's mostly drivers.

Those are major contributing factors, but not the only reasons.

Eggo:
Of course they aren't the only reasons, but seriously:

http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/nvidia-drivers-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-20/

Yah, NVidia are bastards for the crap they foisted upon the public. Between the hugely shitty drivers and the bunk chips I am swearing off NVidia forever. Or at least until they get their shit together.

Except for the Quadro series of cards of course. But those are Pro level and for the scratch you get the goods. I know, I have a NVidia Quadro 4600 FX for 3d modeling in Maya and ZBrush.

Eggo:
Of course they aren't the only reasons, but seriously:

http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/nvidia-drivers-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-20/

Bwhahaha i like the fact that micro$oft themselves are 18% of the reason for vista crashing...

Says a lot about the business world huh?

Richard Groovy Pants:
Hardware...

Human stupidity.

OK, so the thread is over.

Now what do we do?

Eggo:

axia777:

Eggo:
Of course they aren't the only reasons, but seriously:

http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/nvidia-drivers-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-20/

Yah, NVidia are bastards for the crap they foisted upon the public. Between the hugely shitty drivers and the bunk chips I am swearing off NVidia forever. Or at least until they get their shit together.

Except for the Quadro series of cards of course. But those are Pro level and for the scratch you get the goods. I know, I have a NVidia Quadro 4600 FX for 3d modeling in Maya and ZBrush.

Well, I've never had a problem with Nvidia (I've been using many of their cards since the 6-series) so I'm not so quick to swear them off. Especially since they are the kings of GPU-Folding at the moment.

My next card is going to be the 9800GX2 :]

Getting one of those for Christmas :)

Just hope my cpu can handle it.

Eggo:
Of course they aren't the only reasons, but seriously:

http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/nvidia-drivers-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-20/

And people still insist that ATI's drivers are crap. *chuckles*

Probably a 4850 for me in November.

ReepNeep:

Eggo:
Of course they aren't the only reasons, but seriously:

http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/nvidia-drivers-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-20/

And people still insist that ATI's drivers a crap. *chuckles*

Probably a 4850 for me in November.

Oh, they used to be. Now I hear that they are very stable. Times change man, time do change.

Windows is pretty much designed to stab-itself-in-the-back.Watch it bleed as you use it extensively.The only way to keep it clean is to format once-twice a year.All this defragging,cleaning and optimizing(which I do mind you) only delays the inevitable.

JakubK666:
Windows is pretty much designed to stab-itself-in-the-back.Watch it bleed as you use it extensively.The only way to keep it clean is to format once-twice a year.All this defragging,cleaning and optimizing(which I do mind you) only delays the inevitable.

Truth well spoken.

JakubK666:
Windows is pretty much designed to stab-itself-in-the-back.Watch it bleed as you use it extensively.The only way to keep it clean is to format once-twice a year.All this defragging,cleaning and optimizing(which I do mind you) only delays the inevitable.

Oh great I hear about this after I buy my new laptop.

Windows, the most badly written operating system ever. I've never had a crash on windows that wasn't specifically my fault (I accidentally unmounted my main drive so linux crashed cause it couldn't access any of its files) Hardware has nothing to do with it as PC games never interact with the hardware directly they interact with the drives; hardware computability issues are driver faults not game faults. windows is written by 1k + different people from different parts of the world and no one reads the code (and I mean one to five people reading the whole code of the OS and making sure everything works smoothly) to make sure that all the code fits. on a linux distro, however, there is a team of maybe 20 people that write the base, then anyone can submit code, but that code is checked for computability by those 20 people to make sure it won't interfere with anything. that's why PCs crash more; because windows is shit.

No, you don't need to reinstall windows twice a year. Unless you're mad keen about virus infested downloads.

axia777:

ReepNeep:

Eggo:
Of course they aren't the only reasons, but seriously:

http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/nvidia-drivers-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-20/

And people still insist that ATI's drivers a crap. *chuckles*

Probably a 4850 for me in November.

Oh, they used to be. Now I hear that they are very stable. Times change man, time do change.

In my experience they matched Nvidia's quality late in the R8500's life cycle. Ever since the Catalysts have started updating monthly they've been better. The only driver-related reason to buy an Nvidia card nowadays is if you want to run Linux.

ElArabDeMagnifico:

JakubK666:
Windows is pretty much designed to stab-itself-in-the-back.Watch it bleed as you use it extensively.The only way to keep it clean is to format once-twice a year.All this defragging,cleaning and optimizing(which I do mind you) only delays the inevitable.

Oh great I hear about this after I buy my new laptop.

If you perform your routine maintainence and don't go looking for malware, Windows works fine indefinetly. It still runs far more software that either OSX or Linux. You don't have to be an Uber-Nerd (like me, natch) like you do with Linux and you get actual control over your hardware unlike with a Mac.

XP blue screened of deathed me! 2 years ago. When my hard-drive died. Linux zealots like to go on and on about how much windows crashes, which might have been true in 1995, but XP? No problem. Just be smart about what you download and use a virus scanner.

And now we shall see many PC gamers coming in and saying that, actually, PCs do in fact crash less than consoles, if you add up the number of crashes right.