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Copy Clerk  Posts: 105 Joined: 28 Sep 2008     | |
Anonymous Source Posts: 6 Joined: 27 Jul 2008 | Snipers are a hard thing to balance - take Counter-Strike for example. I know many people who are capable with an AWP right in the thick of it. The AWP provides almost certainty of killing your target in one hit as long as you hit them. This is almost always the case with sniper rifles in FPS these days. This isn't what sniping is about. Sniper rifles should do less damage than a normal weapon, and provide only one hit kills with the good old headshot because thats what sniping is all about. Having said that, I can take being killed by a Sniper so long as he's sniping - not camping with a sniper rifle. Big difference. Campers shit me to tears. My least favourite type of players in any multi-player game are AFK-ers. Stepping away from the keyboard for a moment is fine - everyone needs to do it. Give a quick heads up to the people in your team and no worries. What really pisses me off are the people who go AFK without mentioning a thing, and don't come back. They just sit there, taking up a valuable place that another person who wants to play can't use because they've decided instead of a sceensaver they want to use a game. Grrrrrrr. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2574 Joined: 25 Aug 2008     | Oh no. Did you really just call snipers, campers? A sniper has skill, he uses the advantage of distance and is most certainly a "real player". I am a sniper, some or most of the time. And a good sniper doesn't stay in the same place... it attracts too much attention. JFK... I do not understand this statement, he was killed by a sniper, not a game. Don't even compare defending to camping. In fact, if I'm on a 6 kill streak in COD4 then I think I'm pretty justified to camp... Spawn campers are a completely different kettle o' fish. They are worthless pointless cheating scum. PS, looking out of a window onto a choke point is defending, even outsource defending is OK, waiting near the chokepoint so you are indirectly defending. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 460 Joined: 12 Sep 2008     | Well I agree, snipers are quite often dicks. The ones who suck that is. That said, I have met quite a few (in CSS) who were in fact quite skilled in both sniping and regular combat. One guy was actually more dangerous with an ak than a snipergun. The ones I've met weren't dicks though. Sure they boasted a few times, but not in an obnoxious way. I'd have to say I hate players who boast. Yes, its all fine and dandy you play the game so much that you've gotten good at it, not everyone has the time. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 525 Joined: 24 Sep 2008 | This isn't universal, but it's usually people who communicate with other players using either voice or text chat. |
Muckraker  Posts: 262 Joined: 19 Jan 2008  |
I agree Mr. Lime ;) Especially when they leave their frigging mic on and they're chatting with their mates in the next room. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 7 Joined: 13 Oct 2008 | Campers might be "cheap", but they are very patient and they should be rewarded for their patience. I've seen players who have camped a bombsite for the whole game without even seeing the enemy. A well aimed flashbang usually dislodges these campers. Don't rambo. What annoys me the most is those teammates who think it's smart to dive in front of you whilst you're shooting. They get annoyed and I miss out on playing in the next round. |
Muckraker  Posts: 319 Joined: 20 Mar 2008  | I'd say that the most irritating players are the ones who decide to follow you when you try to sneak to the next objective/sniper nest and then open fire with an unsilenced automatic weapon midway through the process. They don't have to be a splinter cell, but they could at least try to be more covert. Also, there is a difference between sniping and camping, but the difference is only really noticeable on large maps. Snipers will stay relatively still and seek distant locations with a good view of the action. Campers will use automatic weapons (most of the time) and seek locations close to the combat where they can hide and spray any passerby with bullets. |
BANNED  Posts: 460 Joined: 9 Sep 2008 | Noobs, who try to play Warcraft 3 online, without even going trough singleplayer used to piss me off a lot. They even made me switch sompletely to solo games. User was banned for: Wearing something for 4 years?. (1 days) |
Beat Writer  Posts: 207 Joined: 7 Feb 2008  | Kids. I hate them enough in real life but the ones who play online are exponentially worse. They have whiny voices, are quick to fire off insults and swear and shouldn't even be playing MA15 games. Would you children kindly fuck right off? I don't want to hear what your intentions are regarding my mother, so please, go play Boggle or something... |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1151 Joined: 20 Jul 2008    | Obnoxious hosts, annoying admins and stupid GM's. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 372 Joined: 8 Nov 2007   | Spies in TF2, they should never have given those guys invisibility. I used to be able to respect a good spy that could fool you to think he was on your team. These days you just randomly die every now and again... meh. Other than that, I hate meeting this thread's creator online. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 58 Joined: 25 Nov 2006 | People who try to enforce special rules such as "15 min no rush" or "no snipers" or "no camping" or even "no spawn camping". If you don't like the game, make your own! I happen to like most games the way they're made and if spawn camping is possible, blame the game, not the players. If I happen to walk by and I see you spawn, should I not shoot you? It's ridiculous. It's a FPS. If I see you, I shoot you. I hate whining. Whew. Nice to get that off my chest. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3201 Joined: 22 Aug 2008   | *Points to thread creator's name* Pretty much that *Leaves* |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 77 Joined: 28 Jul 2008 |
I second that! Nothing worse than whiney kids and wigger juniors |
Muckraker Posts: 262 Joined: 19 Jan 2008 | FIFA 09 Be A Pro Online: or FIFA Everyone Follow The Ball. It's when you stick to your position and you get some doofus who decides he likes your position more than his and stands in your way. And of course those that never pass. The unwritten law of FIFA online: the gamer that chooses the best player is -at least 90% of the time- the worst gamer. No, you're not Ronaldinho, you're crap. |
Paperboy Posts: 35 Joined: 19 Jul 2008 | apart from little kids, which i agree with 100%, i hate it when people play drunk. i have no problem with you getting pissed and playing a few rounds of whatever, as long as you can HOLD YOUR TONGUE! its bad enough in text communication only games, where you can always tell the drunk because hes the guy typing "heh, it otally pwed you ,fucki play so muxh better whn imdrunk" maybe you do play better mate, but your typing goes down like a lead balloon, so DONT DO IT! its even worse when there is come kind of VOIP system, and i have to listen to people drawling on in a drunken ramble, i swear, some people can talk without breathing for like 2 mins when drunk. shut the **** up. but then, you get the ones who seem to get tourettes syndrome when drunk. the clan leader of a clan i was in once was a great guy when sober, but when he got pissed he would log onto the TS server and ralbe on swearing on every second word and we would hear about how his wife snubbed him and his boss didnt appreciate him and i reckon he would go red in the face if he knew some of the stuff he told us while pissed. i used to just log off and go to bed when he logged on drunk. so please, if you game drunk, do the rest of us a favor and remove your mic. |
Paperboy  Posts: 40 Joined: 13 Oct 2008 |
You've obviously never been in the military, don't own a radio, really hate magazines, skipped school, or have never seen the history channel. Sniper rifles are high caliber long distance rifles. You dont get longer distance by using weaker bullets. I'm not going to get into a physics lesson with you but headshots aren't what snipers are about. They're about killing people in one shot, usually through shock, blood loss or both, using a high caliber round that can maintain its kinetic energy across several miles. Heck, most battle-rifles were designed to kill in one or two good hits. That said, I cant stand when a game takes leaps and bounds out of realism for the sake of game balance. The 5 round rocket launcher kills people to quickly? "Smart idea, lets nerf the rocket launcher! Lets make it terribly inaccurate and reduce it's damage." How about you leave the accuracy and damage alone, make it a one shot high explosive rocket propelled grenade that takes forever to reload instead, like, oh I dont know, A REAL ONE. 50 caliber rifles, while not inteaded for use on people, should not take 2 hits to kill someone in a video game. They are used to take out lightly armored vehicles, and material like explosives and computer servers hence the name Anti-Material Rifle. Their use in a video game primarily for shooting other people does break the mechanic a bit though. This actually reminds me of something else that bothers me with games too. Long range weapons typically get rediculously inaccurate when shoulder fired. Why are my bullets leaving the gun barrel at a 70 degree angle?! And really, how hard is it to avoid a bad sniper? Got a problem with the kind of snipers that stay in one spot and repeatedly give away their position every time they pull a trigger? Try not running into their bullet path. Try throwing a grenade. Try doing something other than running straight at him or ignoring the fact that he's around and headlonging it wherever you're trying to go and put some stealth to good use eh? People dont bother me, poor game design does. Ok there is one kind of person I dislike. They're usually ignorant, typically kids. They'll target you for some unknown reason and start flinging shit in your direction. The game starts, and they hunt you down, you win the first encounter and they leave because they're butthurt. Gutless spineless witless, there is nothing good about these people. They dont even stick around so you can have the satisfaction of completely scrapping their digital brain matter across the street when you stop playing casually to teach a nublette a lesson in good behavior. |
Muckraker  Posts: 227 Joined: 9 Sep 2008  | Only snipers who I can't countersnipe when I respawn piss me off. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 170 Joined: 16 Sep 2008 | I hate the guy who decides to follow you around when your trying to sneak behind enemy lines using stealth, when you just know that he is not in the least bit stealthy. So he gives away your position. Usually they fire randomly at a target across the map just as you go to knife someone causing them to turn around and plant a bullet in your gut. That and the noobs that wait until they have a fully loaded ship in BF2142 and then proceed to fly all over the place and kill everyone on board by crashing into the side of the titan. |
Muckraker  Posts: 330 Joined: 4 Jun 2008 | People who always use the same tactic. I knew this one guy in Crysis MP who always bought the VTOL as soon as he could and then went spawncamping. I mean, you could try something new now and then. Cheaters.
... Oh yeah, I almost forgot = people who are willing to sacrifice balance for realism. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1205 Joined: 1 Jan 2008  | People who take things said in text/voice chat waaaaaay too seriously. Just yesterday, I made a joke some guy who made like, 8 typos in one sentance, to which he replied that he was dyslexic (fine) but then whenever I tried to talk with him he told me to go die in a fire. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1130 Joined: 13 Jul 2008    |
AFK-ers however, make for easy kills. :) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1060 Joined: 25 Feb 2008 | I hate anyone who's beating me. |
Muckraker  Posts: 247 Joined: 5 Mar 2008   | People hate playing me in COD4 because I take full advantage of the Overkill perk, usually carrying the Barrett .50 Cal and a P90 so I can get in long range kills and close range if I absolutely need to, more often than not I have to turn off my headset to keep from hearing all the cursing. And it's even worse while playing a local multiplayer match, but that's neither here nor there. |
PROBATION  Posts: 1009 Joined: 13 Aug 2008 | People who vocally refuse to help their team, and instead decide to go "lone wolf" and fail miserably, then claim that it was because their team didn't help. User was put on probation for: All your base are belong to us. (1 days) |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 63 Joined: 22 Jul 2008 | I don't like the kids because the think they are cool because they get to play with the Big Boys on M rated games because their Mommy couldn't listen to them whine any longer in the store and still votes that video games need to be censored. Once i was playing a relatively "dead" console fps ("Shadow Run" I like the teleport mechanics... alot... I WANT TELEPORT!!!) and was playing online when a bunch of sqeeky little voices came over the mike. I tried not to say anything.. but lost it when one of the squeekest voices i've heared online said some thing like "..yeah... sound older then i am... How old do you think i am" i couldn't help but think 'Oh MY *%T*(#$(#)%)()#*$ YOUR $%@(ING TWELVE GO AWAY' when he contines "yeah... i'm actually 13." WHHHAAAT YOU ACTUALLY SOUND YOUNGER THEN YOU ARE, YOU SUCK, AND YOU NEED TO GO AWAY!!! *&$%ING PEOPLE.... i can't remember what i actually said but i went off on the kids.. they didn't care because i couldn't hurt them.. but if i could.... |
Paperboy  Posts: 43 Joined: 22 Mar 2008 | I personaly hate little children that are playing 18+ games & suck at them but dont realize how much they suck. oh and I don't hate snipers. I find they're the easiest class to kill in almost any game. Sure they can get annoying, but the reality is they're not that bad. They can get caught off gaurd so easily (via knife or melee). but everyone has their opinion. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3027 Joined: 27 Apr 2008  |
*Sigh* I hate Child-haters, I'm 13, and I understand that most kids my age are cocky bastards who are quick to insult you, but his is really just starting to piss me off. Also, I hate Noob-Tubers in COD4, you think your safe and then you get blown up just like that. |
Paperboy Posts: 35 Joined: 19 Jul 2008 |
name? i reckon i know who it might be..... |
Muckraker  Posts: 328 Joined: 17 Aug 2008 | I hate snipers too. However those I like worst will have to be the annoying ones that talk on the microphone all the time. |
Muckraker Posts: 328 Joined: 17 Aug 2008 |
I'm okay with you guys as long as you stay away from the mic, seriously. |
Paperboy Posts: 40 Joined: 13 Oct 2008 |
I wasn't making an attack on you, or not trying to, but I'd like to know how people can sacrifice balance for realism when that's the game maker's decision. You obviously meant me. Excellent game design doesn't mean wonky weapons systems. I'm getting the impression you'd appreciate a weapon like a sniper rifle that does less damage than a battle rifle in Latest First Person Shooter X? I don't understand how that'd work for balance. Everyone would use the typical battle rifle in a game since it does more damage at almost the same range. Sniper rifles typically have less shots, bigger bullets mean less rounds in the magazine in real life, and this transfers to games. A high powered rifle almost always has monster recoil, that itself discourages unloading the thing like a machine gun. Real life tends to balance itself out. A 50 caliber rifle wasn't invented to be fair. A rocket wasn't invented to be fair, but there are natural limitations to these weapons game designers tend to ignore when making their games and that makes for a flawed experience. The human mind operates greatly off of real-life assumptions. When games lend to that reasonsing, they play better. People generally have their intelligence insulted when they assume a weapon is going to do something a certain way and then it turns out not to. Most high speed collisions to the head kill. 30 foot drops break legs. A well placed rocket can blow up a tank, and so on. Unlike the 5 shot rocket launchers that dont kill anything typical of Doom style games, or any gun in Halo 3 where most of the time you have to unload a whole magazine into someone's face in hopes of a slim chance it might kill them. (I'm looking at you Mr. Assault Rifle.) These blatantly retarded weapons come from a tight grip on game balance. Take our buddy Call of Duty 4. How does it balance game play? Sure the 50 cal in that game isn't a one hit kill 100% of the time, but then, with proper medical treatment, most bullet wounds aren't. It's a huge weapon, with moderate recoil in real life and they've transfered some of that into the game. It's not something you can hip fire accurately and the bullet doesn't always land on its mark when you aim down the sights. It's only got so many shots and reloading it in a time of crisis is going to get you killed. it's a long range sniper rifle that tends to kill you in one hit to the torso or head, and why shouldn't it? The SMGs can kill a man in 3 or 4 hits, the only reason they aren't murder hoses is because someone up in Activision had it in their head that in real life, 95% of all shots miss. Now you get a game like quake or some other game that explores fictional weaponry where every bullet ever fired hits and suddenly there's a problem. Lets raise the health, ok but now certain weapons dont run the way they're supposed to. Lets tweak damage. Ok that's awesome but now weapon-x is pathetic! Fine we'll put shields on everyone, that should tone down the rape-kill of a few of those weapons. But now people survive explosions! It creates a painful cycle of constant patching and modifying that I can do without. I dont like having my assumptions of how a game works changing on me every time there's a mass of complaints that someone found a way to make a weapon kill someone. (Also for the record I go for the SMG or knife in most first person shooters, sniping in CoD4 doesn't do it for me.) |
*note: the question applies to both actual people and/or certain classes that you play as.
I for one really hate snipers. Any game, any match. It infuriates me how someone can boast that they got ten kills in a row or that they pwned someone yet all they have done is sat, hidden, in one position taking out people from afar. I wonder what goes on in their minds." Should I fight someone like a real player or should I camp here untill I'm spotted?"
For those who say otherwise I believe JFK has my back on this one.