So my girlfriend and I love Co-op games. We live, breathe and die by them. So confirmed Co-op and the ability to play as a boy and a girl in Fable 2 was a godsend. The minute I told my girlfriend those little tidbits of information she was incredibly excited and we dove into every preview we could find.

And I came across an interesting point. Children are an option in Fable 2, but men can just.. impregnate and move on, but women have to put up with the pregnancy. Now, that's just realism right there, and I bet it could even be a cool game mechanic, you risk the child every time you fight, maybe a "craving" sub-mission for bonus experience, stuff like that. The OPTION, to do that seems cool. However, when I found reference to a spell that, by the original dev team, was dubbed "bumfest" and forced the inflicted enemies to have sex... I started to worry. I dunno if the spell works on player characters, or what the overall effects are but,

Rape, as a general point, is something I'm against. Man, woman, child. Placing non-consensual sex in a video game is going to create controversy and offend someone. Aside from that, forcing people's character's to become parents, seems like it gives you too much potential to influence other people's experiences.

Hopefully the rape spell is removed or modified, the preview I read that in was from early on but as it is, do you think will discourage people, for instance my girlfriend, from making female characters?

Just from the name of spell I'm gonna say that it was a bogus article.

Wasn't the real name of the spell just a dev team "nickname"
They were all named stuff like "Ragnarok'n'Roll" and "Attack of the pointy thing" let me find this damn thing and link it....

Yah I HIGHLY doubt thats true, don't make stuff up and act like its real. Screenshot or it didn't happen

http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/launchreview.asp?reviewid=968437

there's the article, from a couple weeks back, so not as old as I thought,

let me find the exact quote:

" Some of the ideas from the first brainstorming session included "F***erflies," which are butterflies that rip off limbs and eyeballs from unfortunate foes, and "Bumfest," which, according to Carter, "causes creatures to spontaneously become turned on by their nearest neighbor." Other amusing titles included "Attack-of-Mr-Pointy," "Whirly-death-bits" and "Ragnarok-n-roll," but these and other over-the-top ideas eventually transformed into what you'll find in the final spell list."

See... I hope they cut that one.

I would hope PM would have the common sense to screen for something like that. Ergo, I'm with the previous post; it's probably bogus.

Rape isn't funny. If it was trying to make a point in the game, such as a backstory or something, I can get along with that. That's just plot. But if it's a spell... yeah, not likely to get into a game like Fable II, with all the hype.

According to the resource I found the spell, "causes creatures to spontaneously become turned on by their nearest neighbor"

So, this is like a charm spell, perhaps? I'm not really seeing the word rape anywhere, and I can promise you there won't be any graphic rape.. THAT'S for sure. I could imagine a few pretty lights as you cast the spell, a heart symbol above your head and suddenly the person next to you is "compatible" with you, or some such thing. I think you're just reading a little too hard into that.

Well than assuming that this madness really is true, I petition that groin and eye shots be put back in Fallout 3.

I think I've proven it's not bogus. At some point, it was on the table. We can HOPE it was cut, but isn't Peter Molyneux kinda known for being stubborn when it comes to his "vision" or whatever? I mean, I know he wants "consequences" and "realism" and all that,

AH! I like the "charm" spell idea. I wasn't really suggesting graphic sex acts... Just, y'know, the implication and the consequences.

"causes creatures to spontaneously become turned on by their nearest neighbor"
That has nothing to do with rape. I don't see how you even got sex out of that, its a charm spell and nothing more (besides even if it involved sex its not rape, they're totally into it while the spell is active ^^)

runtheplacered:
According to the resource I found the spell, "causes creatures to spontaneously become turned on by their nearest neighbor"

So, this is like a charm spell, perhaps? I'm not really seeing the word rape anywhere, and I can promise you there won't be any graphic rape.. THAT'S for sure. I could imagine a few pretty lights as you cast the spell, a heart symbol above your head and suddenly the person next to you is "compatible" with you, or some such thing. I think you're just reading a little too hard into that.

Yeah I agree. Calling this a 'rape spell' is a bit too far. I mean, character in Fable 1 who were turned on by you would just have a heart above their head (As mentioned in the above quote), drop what they were doing and focus on you while waving and primping themselves. I read this as enemies doing the same thing...just to other enemies.
Sounds pretty funny, actually.

sounds like life in general...

wot?

Being turned on by someone isn't really the same as molesting them though, is it?

Perhaps it's a distraction spell?

Crunchy English:

Rape, as a general point, is something I'm against. Man, woman, child. Placing non-consensual sex in a video game is going to create controversy and offend someone. Aside from that, forcing people's character's to become parents seems like it gives you too much potential to influence other people's experiences.

Hopefully the rape spell is removed or modified, the preview I read that in was from early on but as it is, do you think will discourage people, for instance my girlfriend, from making female characters?

Crunchy English:

AH! I like the "charm" spell idea. I wasn't really suggesting graphic sex acts... Just, y'know, the implication and the consequences.

Oh yah, you never said anything about sex

It's a simple crowd control spell that happens to have an amusing method of action and a silly name.

Honestly, some people really do read too much into things.

DamienHell:

Crunchy English:

Rape, as a general point, is something I'm against. Man, woman, child. Placing non-consensual sex in a video game is going to create controversy and offend someone. Aside from that, forcing people's character's to become parents seems like it gives you too much potential to influence other people's experiences.

Hopefully the rape spell is removed or modified, the preview I read that in was from early on but as it is, do you think will discourage people, for instance my girlfriend, from making female characters?

Crunchy English:

AH! I like the "charm" spell idea. I wasn't really suggesting graphic sex acts... Just, y'know, the implication and the consequences.

Oh yah, you never said anything about sex

I said a lot about sex. But sex can be handled a hundred different ways. I knew the spell wasn't going to SHOW anything, that'd be depraved. I was talking about the implication of sex, and the consequences. He doesn't have to show anything to imply rape, or certainly not create virtual pregnancy in some characters, thanks for focusing the point though,

Hey, wait a minute, if the spell supposedly makes everyone want to get busy with the person nearest to them, how is it rape? I mean, everyone hit with the spell, male or female, would get the urge to get freaky, right? Doesn't that kind of mean it's all technicaly consentual?

I know this spell isn't in Fable II, I'm just saying that it technicaly isn't rape(as far as I'm aware).

I'll play female and i wont get a kid cause it don't fit my plans for the character, if i get a kid by accident I'll abandon it. (yea i said "it". see? already in character!)

I know there are orgies in this game (its an achievement :D) but I doubt theres a spell for it. If there is that would ROCK!

BobisOnlyBob:
It's a simple crowd control spell that happens to have an amusing method of action and a silly name.

Honestly, some people really do read too much into things.

Well, as long as you're right, I'm quite pleased. Man, though, I should've known better than to throw around the word Rape. People seem to think I'm accusing the game of being pornographic or something. I just wanna know if the spell, combined with the pregnancy aspect, worried anyone else on a gameplay level.

i doubt very much that the spell will be real..
this is lion head they may be a bit odd but that is beyond them...

Just what a real life video game should have in it. Murder of millions is fine, rape? That is crossing the line.

I'm planning on playing a female in Fable 2 for my "evil" playthrough. Let some fucker try to rape me.

HSIAMetalKing:
I'm planning on playing a female in Fable 2 for my "evil" playthrough. Let some fucker try to rape me.

Youtube montage of the ensuing pain... please?

Oh HOT DAMN I wish I could use that bumfest spell in other games...

You're sitting there in SuCom, a tank is rolling up to your building unit, so your commander casts Bumfest, and the tank crew start buggering eachother as your engineer scraps the vehicle for metal...

Or a pitched match of Battlefront II, the enemy forces have unlocked their "Hero", so you cast Bumfest on a wookie and get to watch as a giant hairball chases Skywalker around Kashyk as the jedi tries to save his black cherry.

DamienHell:
"causes creatures to spontaneously become turned on by their nearest neighbor"
That has nothing to do with rape. I don't see how you even got sex out of that, its a charm spell and nothing more (besides even if it involved sex its not rape, they're totally into it while the spell is active ^^)

I think he pictured the spell as causing creatures to jump on top of each other and copulate.
Which would be an... interesting game mechanic, though probably something you're more likely to find in the adult games at X-mart then in Fable II.

My guess is it's either a charm, like some sort of love potion type thing, or it's cut from the game.

"Bumfest" was an idea one of the developers tossed into the mix when Lionhead was making spells for Fable 2. They were told to come up with various ideas for magic- bumfest was an idea. However, it did not make it into the game.

To my understanding, the spells available are fire, lightning, wind, slow time, raise dead, swords of damocles, chaos...and one more I'm forgetting at the moment.

Chaos may be what you're talking about, it makes the targets perform strangely, and at higher levels, fight for you. Bumfest, however, is not in the game.

Crunchy English:
I think I've proven it's not bogus. At some point, it was on the table. We can HOPE it was cut, but isn't Peter Molyneux kinda known for being stubborn when it comes to his "vision" or whatever? I mean, I know he wants "consequences" and "realism" and all that,

AH! I like the "charm" spell idea. I wasn't really suggesting graphic sex acts... Just, y'know, the implication and the consequences.

You are overreacting in my opinion. There isn't going to be any graphic rapes in the game, I can tell you that much. There is a limit to the realism you can put in a game and I think Peter Molyneux is far to bright to do a thing like that.
Don't extrapolate so much (unless you voluntarily try to raise a debate?) because all we have now is the name.
In addition, the spell description states something like being "turned on" and that it affects CREATURES. I can see two male NPC goblins starting to touch each other while you hack them up as a funny thing, and I think that it's very likely that they have something like that in mind rather than forced pregnancies and such.
Just don't create fake rockus.

ElArabDeMagnifico:
Well than assuming that this madness really is true, I petition that groin and eye shots be put back in Fallout 3.

Wait...they took those -out-?! Nooo! Why?! What's so offensive about incapacitating someone with a swift shotgun butt to the groin? It doesn't -have- to be graphic, but, the other stuff -is- pretty bloody? Why remove it? Gah...

As for Fable...well, doubtful at best, and the exclusion of such things probably won't hurt the game in the slightest.

I would emphatically approve of such spell. Think of the possibilities.

Also: IT'S A GAME... What is it with people and sex? It's perfectly fine for your 9 year older to play a game where he blows other people's head to shit with a shotgun, but by jesus's tits he can't see a depiction of intercourse or harsh language.... What is wrong with you people? The whole fable game revolves around murder, is "rape" really that much more inappropriate?

Wait, Lionhead considered putting in a spell that let you rape another player's character and then burden them with your bastard child?

Wow, that is just rough on so many different levels. On a more positive note, it adds a whole new dimension to the morality choices in the game.

Uszi:
I think he pictured the spell as causing creatures to jump on top of each other and copulate.

Thanks a lot! Now I can't stop thinking about Hobbes doing that! Does that make me sick?