Vanguard1219:
Wait, Lionhead considered putting in a spell that let you rape another player's character and then burden them with your bastard child?

Wow, that is just rough on so many different levels. On a more positive note, it adds a whole new dimension to the morality choices in the game.

Either you didn't actually read or understand anything here, or you're joking. I'm hoping it's the latter. The former suggests overwhelming stupidity.

Samirat:

Vanguard1219:
Wait, Lionhead considered putting in a spell that let you rape another player's character and then burden them with your bastard child?

Wow, that is just rough on so many different levels. On a more positive note, it adds a whole new dimension to the morality choices in the game.

Either you didn't actually read or understand anything here, or you're joking. I'm hoping it's the latter. The former suggests overwhelming stupidity.

Don't worry, it's the latter. Sarcasm just doesn't translate into text very well.

rape?
non-consentual sex?
zah?

it is implied that you have to charm the women and get married to have sex. after which the male can get the marriage anulled and leave the wife and child. the female on the other hand, even after the devorce would still get stuck with the child.

the whole idea of Spreading your seed and creating a massive army of 'mini-youz' half breeds across the land through immoral means, although an intresting concept, is not exactly possible.

but still, that would be an intresting spell...

Having sex with a whore and then killing her in cold blood and taking her money in GTA = Good
Fable spell that produces Sex: Cardinal Sin

Bad Command Or File Name. Abort, retry, fail?

Yeah definetely seeing this as a charm spell, and technically nothing worse than the "gay bomb" the Pentagon tried to create once.

You really think they'll have a "rape" spell when they don't even show consensual sex in the games?

If anyone remembers, Sex in Fable is merely a black fade accompanied by some comedically bad suggestive moans.

unless you slept with another man in which case they were screams of pain and terror (never tried or tested that one)

I read an article a while back that said they'd be staying with the same method in the sequel, so really, what makes you think that they'd have a spell that incites non-consensual sex between your enemies?

Especially when it's called Bumfest...
To be honest this sounds to me like satire of an old military experiment to develop a missile that was said to arouse enemy soliders to the point that they'd forget about fighting and instantly fall in love with their fellow soldiers.

Jokingly dubbed the "Gay-bomb".

people hear that and it's somehow funny, say the same thing in a game, and somehow it's contrued as "OMG RAEP SIM!!".

Also i really just don't see anyone making a game with the kinda spell you seem to be thinking this is.
Common sense hasn't reached that much of a low yet...

On the original topic of this thread, or part of... Preggers. I wonder, will there be an Abortion spell/skill?

Indigo_Dingo:

Pyronox:
I imagine it's just a placeholder spell or something to test sex mechanics that won't appear in the game. But I would be against it as well.

Also, fighting preggers isn't the best idea either...

Most Fruitful Yuki would disagree with you.

I've said a number of times that this is a great game but with some really immature and superfluous bullshit thrown in. I will get it on the PC still, but if someone offers a mod to remove all the whores and the farting, I would get that ASAP.

This is the truth. Fable was fun, but it has some really stupid stuff jammed in, god knows why. Actually, most of the Lionhead games have a similar problem. They create something new and innovative, and then proceed to mess it all up. It's perplexing, really.

Crunchy English:
http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/launchreview.asp?reviewid=968437
..... but these and other over-the-top ideas eventually transformed into what you'll find in the final spell list."

See... I hope they cut that one.

When they said "eventually transformed into what you'll find in the final spell list" means:
A: that is not what you can expect
B: Spells of those natures probably wont exist, and where just an over zealous developers fantasies.

As others said in regards to:
"causes creatures to spontaneously become turned on by their nearest neighbor", that simply could be a bad phrasing of the standard RPG-style spell "Charm" or "Confuse". That doesnt mean rape.

Me being the Fable fanboy that I am, (having waited four years for a sequel,) have observed every aspect of the game that has been leaked. Here is a complete list of the spells that will be in Fable II. (Note: You can slightly modify each spell.)

Isn't a big part of this game about choosing good, evil or somewhere inbetween.

In Star Wars I know old Ben Kenobi never used the jedi mind trick to persuade storm trooper fornication, but he probably could have. Can you honestly say, for certain, the Emperor never did though? If given a 50/50 choise I'd bet he probably did.

Point is, if I'm playing a game of choice then the more choice the better. One person's personal convictions should not decide the types of games we get to play. Let the developer design thier game and then choose to play it, or not.

Real rape is bad. Video game rape is not real. It's only "real" possible victim is someone who can't separate the two.

Crunchy English = Jack Thompson?

Oh please, as if any developer would ever put rape so casually in any game. This is just like the time people got upset over possessed Techsmith 314 ranting about "raping the world with malevolence" (he's under the possession of a demonic being latched onto his face). It's a whole lot over nothing.

Have some sense.

I plan on playing a bit of a dyke in my playthrough. Any male character who comes near me won't get much response. I'm assuming that even with a "charm" spell in place, you still get to choose who you shag.

Also, this is Lionhead guy, right? Molyneux? So I can play a gay character, IIRC?

I really doubt this is really going to be in the game. It would get such a negative reaction it would probably be pulled from shelves. They wouldn't risk the game crashing and burning because they want you to beable to magically rape someone.

xitel:
I really doubt this is really going to be in the game. It would get such a negative reaction it would probably be pulled from shelves. They wouldn't risk the game crashing and burning because they want you to beable to magically rape someone.

I dunno, I think a "charm" spell sounds par-the-course for this sort of game. The rape thing won't happen, but... I dunno, maybe the spell allows you to increase your relationship with another character? I assume the jump to shagging has to be user-initiated, so that shouldn't be an issue.

The discussion is kind of moot though; we'll know when the game's released, eh? :D

A thought occurs, Molyneux wanted the whole relationship aspects of the game to be more "challenging" and "deep"

So why, oh why, would he allow a spell that enables, if this discussion is anything to go by...
"Automatic, instantaneous love."

Then really that spoils the idea, considering Spell are readily available presumably at all times...

thus eliminating the challenge and depth in one foul swoop...

So really, i don't think so.

Also Charm spells for grabbing the enemies attention while you kill something?
When you can train the DOG to do that?

Again, unlikely.

If the spell (if it exists) worked on NPCs, why would you yourself be at risk if you were playing as a lass? Surely you would choose when to use it.

runtheplacered:
According to the resource I found the spell, "causes creatures to spontaneously become turned on by their nearest neighbor"

So, this is like a charm spell, perhaps? I'm not really seeing the word rape anywhere, and I can promise you there won't be any graphic rape.. THAT'S for sure. I could imagine a few pretty lights as you cast the spell, a heart symbol above your head and suddenly the person next to you is "compatible" with you, or some such thing. I think you're just reading a little too hard into that.

You're probably the smartest person here, and made a very good point.

And still, I think no one has listened to you. I lost a little bit of hope in Escapist.

There's a hell of a lot of wild assumptions being thrown about in this thread. How about instead of getting all Daily Mail about it we wait and see what is actually in the game.

I still have no idea what the Fable games are all about. All I've seen it adds. But this sounds like it's pretty deep, although ridiculous.

Fraught:

runtheplacered:
According to the resource I found the spell, "causes creatures to spontaneously become turned on by their nearest neighbor"

So, this is like a charm spell, perhaps? I'm not really seeing the word rape anywhere, and I can promise you there won't be any graphic rape.. THAT'S for sure. I could imagine a few pretty lights as you cast the spell, a heart symbol above your head and suddenly the person next to you is "compatible" with you, or some such thing. I think you're just reading a little too hard into that.

You're probably the smartest person here, and made a very good point.

And still, I think no one has listened to you. I lost a little bit of hope in Escapist.

It's ok. I read his post. There, there. However, he worded it infinitely better than I could have done.

Its an action RPG more accurately, not massively deep. And like all Lionhead games its massively over hyped. Ignore the hype and play it expecting an Action RPG and you'll be pleasantly surprised.

Some points:

#1: Rape

I would remind everyone that as long as fantasy and reality are not confused Rape is not a bad thing. Understand that being forced to have sex with/used for pleasure by an attractive member of your gender of interest is a common fantasy. Heck, it's the theme of a whole lot of porn and erotic fiction. Even Women's Romance novels feature plots like women being abducted by pirates and turned into the love slave of Captain Fabio or something. "Oh my, I was slipped a mickey and then got bondaged and ridden by a sex goddess!"

Reality is of course not like this. Victims don't usually fall in love with their attackers, and well... let's just say we're generally not all the physical ideal.

As far as a "Fornication" spell goes, it's an old idea and has been tossed around in fantasy for a long time. Yes that can be unusually nasty, but then again it's supposed to be at times, but again it depends on the context and how it's portrayed.

#2: Pregnancy

Killing Children, Pregnant Women, etc... is wrong. In a game featuring good and evil however I feel such is appropriate for bad guys.

As far as female characters becoming pregnant, I have no idea what kind of contraception exists in the game (or if it does). However if you like looking at female characters and want one, you can always go Lesbian (and honestly for 95% of the male player base this probably isn't an issue, and people were already thinking about it. Heck, it's probably a selling point sort of like the "lesbian alien sex" was for Mass Effect... as sad as it is on some levels to realize).

*THAT* said, given the fact that your children appear in game, I suspect there might be an advantage to birthing your own children at some point, as opposed to adopting them or whatever.

If the Pregnancy presents a play disadvantage for a while, I'd imagine there is some payoff to it.

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Johnn Johnston:

Fraught:

runtheplacered:
According to the resource I found the spell, "causes creatures to spontaneously become turned on by their nearest neighbor"

So, this is like a charm spell, perhaps? I'm not really seeing the word rape anywhere, and I can promise you there won't be any graphic rape.. THAT'S for sure. I could imagine a few pretty lights as you cast the spell, a heart symbol above your head and suddenly the person next to you is "compatible" with you, or some such thing. I think you're just reading a little too hard into that.

You're probably the smartest person here, and made a very good point.

And still, I think no one has listened to you. I lost a little bit of hope in Escapist.

It's ok. I read his post. There, there. However, he worded it infinitely better than I could have done.

You maybe have, but people, like ElArabDeMagnifico won't buy this, but Fallout 3 instead of this game, because of this spell.
I mean, come on.
Even if it has rape (which it doesn't) then it is up to the player whether to use it or not.

I have the strategy guide for fable 2 and there is no such spell although there is a joke about a hat and robe combo making you able to use a spell called "lv3 eroticism"

Richard Groovy Pants:

Cinder Block of Oppression:
I still have no idea what the Fable games are all about. All I've seen it adds. But this sounds like it's pretty deep, although ridiculous.

It's an rpg where the choices you make actually matter.

Sounds like something I would love and get extremely addicted too.

So how does not playing as a female character somehow fix/protest this?

Rather suprising that no one brought that up yet I think.